303: This One’s Not About Taylor Swift. That’s Next Week.

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This One’s Not About Taylor Swift. That’s Next Week.

[00:00:00] Brett: Hey everybody, this is Brett Terpstra. I’ve been up since 2:00 AM um, just working to make Overtired as tired as possible. I am here as always, with Christina Warren, Jeff Severances. Gunzel has the week off. Christina, this is gonna be a weird episode.

[00:00:21] Christina: It is gonna be weird episode, but I have to say, I’m super excited for Jeff to be on, um, next episode because You and Jeff both will have homework you will have to do, which is to listen to Taylor Swift’s midnights. But you’ve been up since 2:00 AM for a reason. I’ve, I went to bed late because Taylor Swift’s new album about the things that keep her up at night.

[00:00:41] That’s like, literally like what, what the, what the album kind of is about. Uh.

[00:00:46] Brett: obligated. You felt maybe you should stay up all night and listen to the things that keep Taylor up at night.

[00:00:51] Christina: Right. But also, I mean, I, I did go to bed at like 2:00 AM but like, um, two or three. But, um, the thing is, is that [00:01:00] this is like the Overtired Taylor album, and since we are a Taylor Swift podcast, it does almost feel fitting that it is just like you and I like for this. Like, I, like I said, I can’t wait for Jeff to join us for like a full, like, deep dive and, um, and, and, and get into it all, especially since he’s even less of a fan than you are.

[00:01:19] But, um, we are a Taylor Swift podcast and it’s a Taylor Swift pop album,

[00:01:24] Brett: I wanna add some clarity here. Um, uh, we have moved away from being a Taylor Swift podcast because, uh, we have become a mental health podcast. And then I believe in the tagline it says, Anne Taylor Swift for some fucking reason. Um, so yes, she’s still gonna come up, but I refuse to call it the Taylor Swift podcast anymore.

[00:01:49] The joke, the joke got old for me.

[00:01:51] Christina: Well, that’s fine. But, but,

[00:01:53] Brett: But we are a pop culture. I mean, we are absolutely a pop culture podcast, so,

[00:01:57] Christina: we are, but also we have to go back to the old [00:02:00] tagline, at least for one week, because she released an album Brett, about shit that keeps her up at night.

[00:02:04] Brett: All right. That’ll be the, the episode will be titled Something to do with Taylor Swift. We will make a huge week long Taylor Swift extravaganza next week.

[00:02:16] Christina: Excellent. Excellent. But it’s, it’s so, so, so you’re, you’re tired for real reasons. Um, I’m, And you’re in your grouchy and, um, I’m a

[00:02:29] Brett: Yeah, I might be. Um,

[00:02:33] Christina: Yeah. Yeah, a little bit. Um, and.

[00:02:36] Brett: a God Taylor Swift podcast. God damn.

[00:02:39] Christina: I’m tired of this joke. It’s been eight years. Christina. I’m fucking tired of this joke, Christina. No. Um, but, uh, yeah, so, um, how are you doing?

[00:02:53] Mental Health Corner

[00:02:53] Brett: I am, like I said up since two. I might, I’m like mania. I might be starting a little [00:03:00] manic episode. Um, should we, can we segue mental

[00:03:04] Christina: No, let’s just, I was just gonna say, let’s just go into the mental health corner.

[00:03:08] Brett: so I think I talked last week. If I didn’t, I was just talking to my therapist and. Didn’t talk about it here, but, um, I’m really curious as to whether what I have considered stable in the past with my bipolar, uh, whether it’s actually been just like low grade depression, uh, because like I get so bored and unmotivated when I am what I’ve always called stable.

[00:03:35] Um, and I like dream about the mania when I’m in those states and I’ve begun to realize through talking to my therapist and going to a talk with Ellen Forney that maybe I don’t know what stable is and maybe there is. A stable I can find where I can still be creative and productive and like a fucking [00:04:00] normal person with some energy.

[00:04:02] And, um, so I bought, I bought Ellen Forney’s two books, um, Marbles, which is kind of her like, she’s a, she’s a graphic artist, uh, a comic. Um, and she, not a, not a comedian, but she, she draws comics. Um,

[00:04:20] Christina: She’s a, yeah, she’s a graphic novelist, I guess.

[00:04:23] Brett: yeah, there you go. And Marbles is her kind of like story of her bipolar, uh, with a little bit of advice woven into it. But then as a result of the feedback to Marbles, she wrote a book called Brock Study, which is nothing but like, How she stays stable, like what’s important and like, I’m, so, I started reading rock study.

[00:04:50] I haven’t gotten marbles yet, but I feel like rock study is the more useful one. And I’m really hoping to find the secret. Like I’ve been up since two. I’m not positive, [00:05:00] I’m manic, but, um, I have been coding a lot. And what I’m realizing is if I knew what to do when, when a manic episode starts to prevent it from going full swing, and I could just get that like one morning of super productive coding and then fucking like chill and sleep the next night.

[00:05:21] Um, that would be kind of an ideal situation for me. I don’t need 10 days of hypomania. I just need that one first morning. Um, but anyway, that’s, that’s where I’m at. I’ll link Ellen Forney in the show notes for anyone who’s curious. Uh, the books are really good. Seeing her talk was just inspiring. I, I learned a lot.

[00:05:43] Christina: That’s awesome. Did you get to talk to her at all?

[00:05:45] Brett: Um, I got into the q and a, I was doing it over Zoom.

[00:05:49] Christina: Oh, gotcha. Okay.

[00:05:50] Brett: but I got to, I got to drop some questions into the q and a and interact with her a little bit. Um, didn’t, didn’t get to meet her personally though.

[00:05:59] Christina: Nice. [00:06:00] Oh, so she lives in Seattle actually. That’s cool. Um, as a visual artist, she created two permanent large scale porcelain enamel murals for Sound Transits Capital Hill Light rail station in Seattle. I live in Capital Hill. That’s cool. Um, no, I’m glad you gotta see her talk. Yeah. You mentioned last week a little bit of this, about how like you thought that maybe what you’d always classified as, you always thought you had bipolar.

[00:06:24] Brett: Yeah. Yeah. And there’s some other, I have, I still haven’t found the name of it, but some other, some something with the word cycle in it.

[00:06:32] Christina: Right. Well, it’s like rapid cycling. Is that what it is?

[00:06:35] Brett: well, that’s type two.

[00:06:36] Christina: That’s type two.

[00:06:37] Brett: Um, uh, there’s a, there’s another type that never hits, like full on depression. Like, I don’t get like suicidally depressed. Um, I just get unmotivated and, and lackluster.

[00:06:53] Christina: Right.

[00:06:53] Brett: And the idea that maybe there’s a word for going between [00:07:00] hypomania and, and, uh, lackluster minor depression, uh, rapidly and never finding stable in between. Like, that’s, that seems like me.

[00:07:13] Christina: Yeah, no.

[00:07:14] Brett: I will finish my research on that and come back and if I decided to fit for me, um, I’ll talk to therapist slash psychiatrist about it and if that’s the case, I will come back and make a definitive declaration and actually remember the word for what it is.

[00:07:30] Christina: Yeah. No, but I mean, I think that that’s, that’s definitely like interesting to to think about when we were talking about that last week about you, like figuring that out. It would be good to know, because maybe that would change how you could be treated and maybe you could find a better middle ground between the two.

[00:07:43] Right. Um, because, but, but I will say like, at least, um, the, uh, at least like you don’t have the suicidal depression because that would be if you had, if you were going like, okay, if you were like cycling between those states, between like a [00:08:00] suicidal depression and the mania that I, I’m gonna be honest with you, I, I, I don’t know if that would be

[00:08:05] Brett: Yeah. That was my uncle. It wasn’t cool. It wasn’t cool.

[00:08:09] Christina: no. Like I don’t wanna. No, I’m not gonna say what I’m actually thinking because that’s too dark, but, um

[00:08:17] Brett: My, my worst impression means that I think that everyone’s mad at me or, or everyone’s laughing at me. Um, and, and I get very anxious and concerned, but not like, harm myself or, or do anything like that.

[00:08:34] Christina: right. Which, which to be clear, that’s still like, not at all, like, uh, a good thing, but. At all. Like that’s, that’s, that’s in no way, like, I, I don’t want you to like discount that. Um, my worst suppression, um, I mean, it, it’s rarely gone into like self-harm things because A, I don’t find anything therapeutic about that.

[00:08:52] And b, the one time I did like overdose on pills, I immediately like, thought better, but I was like, You fucking [00:09:00] idiot, you’re probably just going to make yourself brain dead and that’s gonna be worse. So I had to call 9 1 1 and then go get my stomach pumped and all that shit, and it was a whole pain in the ass.

[00:09:09] And then like some fucking like, um, some bitch who had like masters and social workers, some shit came to like talk to me and I’m like, My mom has more qualifications than you get the fuck away from me. I have an actual psychiatrist. I was such a bitch, but I was also like, I was also like 20 years old.

[00:09:26] Brett: You see this brand on my arm.

[00:09:28] Christina: I can.

[00:09:29] Brett: That was the result of one of my early in my, uh, twenties after getting clean off of drugs, which make it really hard to tell, you know what?

[00:09:39] Christina: Oh yeah,

[00:09:40] Brett: is like, um, and also apparently could have caused bipolar.

[00:09:43] Christina: yeah, I’ve heard that. I’ve heard that, that that can like trigger something. Well, I don’t know if it’s so much that it causes it, like maybe it could change something in your brain or if it like could just be the proceeding fact, the precipitating factor that like wakes it up. I don’t know. I’ve

[00:09:57] Brett: but I didn’t, I didn’t know [00:10:00] how to get myself. I didn’t, I wasn’t diagnosed bipolar yet. All I knew is that I had gotten clean off of heroin and I was, uh, living at home and I didn’t have a job and I was dating a crazy, crazy girl. Um, and, and nothing seemed to be going quite right and I didn’t know what to do.

[00:10:23] And I like branded myself just to just so the searing pain would like snap me out of it. And it worked for like a day. I was like, I felt normal. Uh, but that’s the only self-harm I’ve ever really partaken.

[00:10:39] Christina: Yeah. Yeah. So, which, which I get, I’m glad at least that A wasn’t continued b, that like it did at least snap you out of it. Yeah, I had one, and again, like, I don’t wanna call it a suicide attempt because again, I thought better of it immediately after it happened. And I was like, again, I was like, you didn’t, you didn’t do this right.

[00:10:58] These drugs are literally [00:11:00] just going to maybe put you into like a vegetative state and that would be worse. Or do something that would like environmentally. So, you know, it was okay. Um, and, and that was also what we kinda had to tell the hospital so that I wouldn’t be sent on a 51 50 hold, which everybody agreed.

[00:11:15] They were like, Don’t do that. Um, but I’ve definitely had like moments where I wanted, I’ve been deeply suicidal. I just haven’t like, actually done the self-harm thing. But yeah, my worst depression has been like, literally can’t get out of bed and like, wanting to die all the time. And, and that I think like if I, if it was a cycle between that and mania, that’s what I’m saying, like that, that would be, I think an untenable situation to be completely honest.

[00:11:42] Like, I don’t know. Yeah. I, I, I, like, I, I, I don’t even know what it, I wouldn’t have any advice for that. I wouldn’t have any professional, I mean, I’m

[00:11:49] Brett: Yeah. When I,

[00:11:50] Christina: but I don’t even know how, what to do.

[00:11:52] Brett: when I first started seeing my therapist, um, he was very concerned about how I handled depression. [00:12:00] Um, and, and it wasn’t until we had talked a couple of times that he realized that my version of bipolar depression, uh, was not as deep as some of the people he had worked with before. Uh, that it’s, is there such a thing as hypo depression

[00:12:19] Christina: Probably, yeah, probably where you could go into like a major depression and like a major bad of media one, three the other, and that would, I would think would be really concerning. So I’m glad you don’t have that because we, I mean, realistically we wouldn’t be able to do a podcast. Like you wouldn’t be able to function, you know what I mean?

[00:12:34] Like it would be um, it would be

[00:12:37] Brett: Podcasts only when Brett is manic and then everything goes off the rails.

[00:12:41] Christina: Right. But also, yeah. I mean, God, I can’t even imagine.

[00:12:43] Brett: If I was having, if I was having the kind of mania that I saw my uncle have, um, I also wouldn’t be podcasting like he was, he was not someone who would sit down and have a sane conversa. He would call you at two in the morning [00:13:00] and tell you all about how he was gonna buy like a new semi trailer at like a, a, a truck and it was gonna be bright silver and he was gonna drive it all over the country and he was gonna be a traveling, um, chaplain and yeah.

[00:13:19] Christina: Yeah. Um, a, a person I was in a relationship with, um, in college, that, that was the situation. It was similar to that. And, uh, and, um, Ted Turner, um, who’s famously bipolar, used to call my father at two o’clock in the morning to talk about things like that. Yeah.

[00:13:35] Brett: I,

[00:13:36] Christina: randomly call him. And, uh, and my dad had finally gotta the point.

[00:13:39] My dad was like, I can’t keep taking these calls from Ted when he is not medicated.

[00:13:44] Brett: Yeah. My, my mania results in coding and my depression results in watching tv, and it’s pretty, pretty mild swings. Uh, both affect my productivity, but

[00:13:58] Christina: Of course, and, and both affect like your [00:14:00] personal and your, and your relationships and, and other things. Um, but I’m just glad that neither of them are swung in either direction so much that like, and that’s honestly, but it’s probably why it’s difficult to diagnose. It’s probably why you’ve been called type two, even though these cycles happen really quickly.

[00:14:16] Um, it might be this, this other thing they don’t know because they’re like, Well, I guess that’s what this is, just because neither of the swings are, are so bad. And also for some people, like, we never talked about this. Um, and I know that we should be getting to my mental health corner, but frankly I don’t have that much to add.

[00:14:33] But, but I did wanna ask you like how, I don’t know if we ever talked about how you were diagnosed with, with bipolar. You, you mentioned that, that it, the, the drug coming off the drugs might have precipitated it. Was it the incident where, where you branded yourself? Was that the thing that maybe got you to a hospital or, or how were you diagnosed?

[00:14:52] Brett: no, that didn’t get me to a hospital. Um, I went to the hospital after, um, basically [00:15:00] being. Depressed. Um, like I wanted to get off my ass and get a job and, uh, I wanted to get outta my parents' home. And, uh, I just didn’t feel like it was working. So I, I signed up. My mom, I think probably, um, got me an appointment with a psychiatrist and I just kind of explained what was happening and he was like, Oh yeah, you’re bipolar.

[00:15:26] Um, and there were clear signs back before I was on heroin, but definitely after I had started drug use. So that absolutely could have been a contributing factor. Um, so yeah, I think, I think my mom got me in there. Um, and I started immediately on Seroquel and, oh, there was some other drug that it turned out my doctor was getting like major kickbacks for prescribing.

[00:15:54] Christina: Yeah, I had that incident. Mm-hmm.

[00:15:56] Brett: It wasn’t, it wasn’t an ideal drug. [00:16:00] Um, I can’t remember the whole story. I just remember finding out that oh, yeah, he literally prescribed that to every one of his patients with any, any similar symptoms, um, regardless of their specific needs. And

[00:16:16] Christina: Yeah, that, that was actually how I was incorrectly diagnosed as being bipolar.

[00:16:20] Brett: yeah,

[00:16:21] Christina: I think I’ve told you that story. I’ve probably told this on the podcast.

[00:16:23] Brett: someone wanted the kickback from the diagnosis.

[00:16:26] Christina: No, actually, what happened was she was mad that I called her out on the fact that she was getting a kickback. and she thought that my rapid thought in speaking quickly and just ability to just like fucking zone in and call her out because much like Taylor Swift, I do have the ability to zero in and I’m not proud of this.

[00:16:45] Um, and it’s not a good thing. Um, and, and it’s, I I’ve gotten a lot better with it, but I can usually pick out people’s weaknesses pretty quickly and I can say something that could just like level you, right? Like, [00:17:00] and um, I was, she put me on Wellbutrin because Wellbutrin was something she was getting kickbacks from and it had helped at first, it helped my depression a lot at first, and then it didn’t.

[00:17:11] And then like I was, I was in an, I was in this situation where I was both depressed and incredibly adhd and then I was stressed out cuz I was like, Look, I’m 15, like. I actually have to care about my grades and shit. Like I have to, you know, be able to, to focus and do stuff. And this was, I think this is before, this was, uh, this was shortly before I was, I was put on, um, Dexedrine for the first time.

[00:17:35] But, um, I didn’t have an official ADHD diagnosis then, although it was obvious now that I clearly was, but also the depression, like the Wellbutrin, it worked great for six weeks and then it just stopped working. And then I was not only like incredibly depressed, but ADHD and all these things were happening.

[00:17:50] And she kept insisting, No, no, no, you have to be on this. You have to be on this. And I’m like, It’s not working. And then she was also being weird about some other stuff, like [00:18:00] wanting to talk to me about my sex life and stuff. That was like not at all appropriate. We didn’t have that kind of relationship.

[00:18:06] And my dad was potentially going to see her, and I think she was also gonna, she was trying to shove both. You turned down his throat and it clicked me. I was like, You’re getting fucking paybacks. Like, like kickbacks from the pharmaceutical companies, aren’t you? And she, she tried to kind of hedge off. I was like, No, you are.

[00:18:21] I was like, And that’s the only reason you say this. You don’t actually give a shit about me. You don’t care about anything else. I know what this is. I know what you’re doing. You’re a fraud, whatever. And then she was like, Well, you are bipolar and put me on lithium and I’m not

[00:18:38] Brett: Ouch. No. And lithium sucks no matter what.

[00:18:41] Christina: does, No, I was having shakes.

[00:18:43] It was shitty. It was like one, And then that honestly, that then kicked off one of the worst major depressive episodes of my life where because of all that like that, like that was the first time I got to like the truly debilitating state. Um, and um, [00:19:00] and then it, it took me finding like some doctors, like, what did one doctor who only wanted to do cognitive behavioral therapy And my mom was like, Look, I understand that this is useful, but she can’t.

[00:19:13] Get out of bed, we need something. And he was like not willing to give me any medication at all, really. And, uh, because he was only about wanting to, to do the, the, the C B T at first. And then we finally found Dr. Baker, who, um, was just like appalled with everything that had happened. And I was able to

[00:19:34] Brett: Isn’t it nice when you find a doctor that is as frustrated with your history as you are

[00:19:39] Christina: Yes, it is. Which is one of the reasons why, like, I still see my doctor, even though it’s inconvenient and expensive, because I don’t wanna go. I’m like, and he’s gonna retire soon. And I’m, I don’t know what I’m gonna do, like,

[00:19:52] Brett: This would be a perfect segue into our Zocdoc sponsorship, but first I wanna hear how you’re doing.

[00:19:58] Christina: Yeah, I’m doing okay. [00:20:00] I, um, I, um, I’m still having those digestive issues, uh, with a, I think from looking it up online, it, it seems like I, I, it’s some sort of reflux thing, but all the symptoms I have, it seems like I might have a hiatal hernia. The issue is, um, I don’t have any of the weight problems that are almost exclusively associated with that stuff, but the symptoms are like dead on.

[00:20:24] Like if I have anything that has alcohol, if I have anything that has, um, even the, the least amount of like acid, like even tomato sauce or whatnot, like I will wind up throwing up stomach acid. Um, and uh, and, and.

[00:20:39] Brett: gotta hurt.

[00:20:39] Christina: It does. And it’s like not great cuz I’m, I’m limited in terms of what things I can find myself to eat.

[00:20:45] I need to go to a gastroenterologist. The reality is I’m too fucking busy. I have too much work to do. I can’t do it. So where my mental health is, is that I’m having like, fit. And some of this also can be a manifestation of anxiety and um, and stress. But I’m literally at [00:21:00] the point where I am like, too, I’ve got too much shit to do that I cannot take care of my, like actual health.

[00:21:07] So

[00:21:08] Brett: you explained this to the people you work with?

[00:21:11] Christina: I have look, they’d

[00:21:13] Brett: Like, cuz it seems like, it seems like the kind of thing that they would be like, No, your health comes first. We’ll take this off your plate. You get this figured out. That just seems

[00:21:25] Christina: Well, yes and no, you’re not crazy. But it’s also, I mean, look, if I, There’s also a part of it where like if I sell them that then I don’t wanna like lose the opportunities and the things that I’m going to do. Like I really wanna host GitHub universe and we’re prepared for.

[00:21:39] Brett: But your fucking health,

[00:21:40] Christina: Yeah, but like my health, I can deal with like, I can deal with it after the

[00:21:44] Brett: you’re throwing up stomach acid on the regular. This isn’t, you’re, you can’t continue like this. You gotta, you gotta, you gotta pause

[00:21:54] Christina: I can continue for a couple, I can continue for a couple of weeks. I can continue for a couple of weeks. [00:22:00] I’m not gonna go beyond that. Yes, Yes. As soon as, as soon as Universe is over, I will, I will get it taken care of. I will continue for a couple of weeks. In retrospect, I should not have agreed to also do Microsoft Ignite, which was so close to Universe.

[00:22:14] That was too much. Um, I thought

[00:22:18] Brett: be too much, even if you weren’t throwing up Stomach acid

[00:22:21] Christina: No, you’re not wrong. Uh,

[00:22:23] Brett: That’s a lot of, that’s a lot of being on a hole in a.

[00:22:26] Christina: it’s a lot of being on and, and it was, uh, a lot of, um, meetings and stuff around it and juggling the two and, um, Yeah. Uh, they’re too close together. Um, I, I, I underestimated, like I overestimated my ability to do both cuz I was like, oh, well I’ve done so many of these hosting things that doing two of them their month apart.

[00:22:54] That’s

[00:22:54] Brett: do 'em in my sleep.

[00:22:56] Christina: Right. Because I, I, there was a time when I was doing [00:23:00] a lot of these things, I think even like, probably in some cases a month apart. Um, cuz I think that I did, uh, build one year and then we had something. It was definitely, it was within the same period of time later, but in that case it was, it was, What was that?

[00:23:14] Was that Inspire? It was tech. I don’t remember what it was, but it was one of those types of events and um, and so I just kind of was like, Oh yeah, I can totally do this. What I didn’t anticipate was, Just the level of involvement I would need for every facet of it, which makes sense. I just underestimated my ability to do it, and I should have said no.

[00:23:34] Um, but, uh,

[00:23:36] Brett: Overestimated your ability,

[00:23:38] Christina: yes. Sorry, I overestimated ability, I under, I underestimated the amount of work it would be and I

[00:23:42] Brett: I, I underestimate, I underestimate your ability all the time. And then you, you blow me away with what you can fucking accomplish and, and handle, um, in a day. Uh, but you overestimated your abilities. So,

[00:23:57] Christina: And, and, and you, I am always blown away [00:24:00] by like what you do, whether you’re manic or not, like you’re one of the most creative and incisive and productive and talented people I’ve ever met, but,

[00:24:08] Brett: thank you.

[00:24:09] Christina: But, uh, yeah, so, so, no, but my mental health is, is okay. Um, I’ve just, I’ve been busy. I was in San Francisco this week, um, for a couple of days doing some prep stuff.

[00:24:19] Um, and, and, uh, for, for universe, which, uh, which we’ll talk about after our sponsor break, but, um, because it’s gonna be good. But, um, I was, um, I was there. Seattle, right now, the weather, and this does impact my mental health, which is why I’m mentioning that we’ve had like, god awful levels of smoke. Like, um, like the air quality in some areas.

[00:24:46] It, I was out of town, but, and, and it wasn’t this bad where I was like, but yesterday, where I live, it was a hundred points higher than Beijing. The air quality was like a hundred points worse. And, and Beijing is bad, so it was very, [00:25:00] very bad. Like, like, like you, you go outside, you’re wearing an N 95 mask, and you can still taste like, The air, right?

[00:25:08] Yeah. Um, but somebody who, um, uh, I, I, uh, was talking to on Twitter, wherever they are in Washington State, it was like four 50, which to, to put that into perspective is again, that’s like, that’s like more than double as bad as Beijing, Right. Maybe closer to, Sorry, go

[00:25:27] Brett: someone on my feed posted a picture, I’m pretty sure it was from Northern California or maybe farther up the coast. And they said that the air quality index was 500. Um, and like it made for some good pictures cuz it looked like a nice foggy morning,

[00:25:48] Christina: Right. That’s the thing. No, it looks like, it looks like fog when I landed in the airport on, um, Wednesday. Like, you know, it looked like fog and it wasn’t, it was smoke. And then there was this [00:26:00] haze when I was, So the way that the um, Seattle airport works is that if you wanna get like an Uber or something, they have like this underground parking lot and of course it’s a little bit open, but, but not that much.

[00:26:10] Right. You know, cuz cars can drive in, but it’s underground. And so you get underground and there’s this haze of just smoke that’s been caught up underground. Right. And it’s getting your eyes and everything. The whole thing is just terrible. But you know, the guy that, um, that I was saying on Twitter, he’s at his house.

[00:26:27] He was like, even indoors, it was feeling like it was four 50. He was like, it’s just, you know, untenable. Because at that point, even if you have like a bunch of Dysons and air filters and stuff, like you’re, nothing’s, nothing’s working. I don’t even know what the solution there is. Like my solution when it gets hot here, because we don’t have Central Air because it’s fucking cheap ass building people luxury building my ass.

[00:26:48] Anyway, they um, My solution there is just to run a hotel room. But in a case like this, I don’t even know, like would you, do you drive someplace? Like what, what do you [00:27:00] do? Like, I, I don’t know, but, um,

[00:27:03] Brett: to Minnesota.

[00:27:04] Christina: Yeah,

[00:27:05] Brett: Nothing’s on fire here. As much as I, as much as I love the idea of living in California, uh, if I could afford it, um, the, the earthquakes and the fires and, and you know, the occasional flooding, we just don’t see that here in the Midwest. And we just, I don’t know, man.

[00:27:29] Christina: you have really bad winters. But,

[00:27:30] Brett: me wanna stay

[00:27:31] Christina: no, I was gonna say you have really, really bad winters, but that’s about it, right? Like you don’t have the other

[00:27:37] Brett: you can just make a fire and get cozy. It’s not, not the end of the world.

[00:27:42] Christina: Well, I, I, I dunno.

[00:27:44] Brett: disasters are

[00:27:45] Christina: That’s true. I think, I think a lot of people though, would just have a hard time. Like I, I grew up, you know, I lived in New York for a long time and New York winners can be brutal, but, but they’re, but they’re not like 20 below where that can be the case, you know, in, in, um, in like Minnesota and [00:28:00] North

[00:28:00] Brett: What is this? The Bahamas? We get 50 below

[00:28:04] Christina: you know what I mean? Cause like, uh, my, my, my dad, um, he grew up all over the place, but he, like a lot of his formative years he spent in, um, North Dakota and, um, that was always like his favorite. I think like that also was probably like one of the only stable periods of kind of his childhood. And so I think he relates to that for a lot of reasons.

[00:28:22] But this is, uh, but, but he always like, you know, whenever it would get cold, whenever it would snow in Georgia, like he’s like the most excited person in the world because, and it’s, it’s not even close to like, anything that you would experience, you know,

[00:28:36] Brett: Well, I, I have nieces in Georgia and they get just ecstatic with like one to three inches of snow. And if they come to Minnesota to visit and it hasn’t snowed, they get super bummed. Like their ideal vacation is to come to Minnesota and have at least a foot of snow on the ground and they will make [00:29:00] snowmen

[00:29:00] Christina: yeah. No, cuz it’s amazing when you’re not, when you have no concept of it, when it’s like an occasional thing. Like it really is like a nice treat. Um, but, uh, but yeah, no, I mean, look, I I, I, I rag on the, the Midwest a lot just because I don’t know why, honestly. Um,

[00:29:17] Brett: Oh, it’s easy to do.

[00:29:19] Christina: right. It is, it’s lazy,

[00:29:21] Brett: I mean, in comparison to the East Coast and the West coast, the Midwest is, is boring. It’s, uh, passive aggressive. It’s cold there. It’s not a hub of any kind of tech or, or commerce. I mean, Minneapolis is home to what Target. And, and we have like Cray supercomputers Best Buy, but we don’t have any

[00:29:49] Christina: and Best Buy is in Eden. So I don’t even know like how far away that is from Minneapolis, but I know it’s in Minnesota. But

[00:29:55] Brett: I mean, I mean headquarters, like Target is headquartered in [00:30:00] Minneapolis.

[00:30:00] Christina: no, I know, and I’m talking about Best Buys is like headquartered.

[00:30:03] Brett: Okay. Yeah. Um,

[00:30:05] Christina: I re I remember this from, from my years of indoctrination, uh, working there.

[00:30:12] Brett: but 90% of the companies you care about are in California or New York, and there’s just then the flyover states, But I gotta say, I’m happy here and,

[00:30:27] Christina: I’m glad you are.

[00:30:28] Brett: it’s so cheap to live here.

[00:30:30] Christina: Yeah, well see, this is, this is the problem, problem. The one part of the Midwest that I could see myself living in, the only part would be Chicago.

[00:30:38] Brett: I could, Chicago’s. Alright. My mom has watched enough Fox news that she is convinced that Chicago is just a crime-ridden hellhole now, like an anarchist burnt out city

[00:30:51] Christina: No,

[00:30:52] Brett: amazing. It’s amazing. She’s also convinced that California is like all satanists and, [00:31:00] and it’s like the most evil state. Um, Fox News has done a number on her

[00:31:05] Christina: Yeah. My, my, um, my shrink is deeply concerned about me living in Seattle because of all the Fox new stuff he saw about my neighborhood, actually. And the thing is, is that I was like, before the shootings and some of the other, like, before the, like, anarchists, like, like, uh, the, the, the fucking like occupy Wall Street, like, like fucking assholes kind of took over.

[00:31:25] Brett: zone.

[00:31:26] Christina: Well, right. Well, well, at first that was okay. And then when the fucking Occupy Wall Street, like fuckers took over and, and made it all about their bullshit. Yeah. Then I was kind of like, actually, yeah, this isn’t great. Um, so, so he’s concerned and, but he doesn’t need to be as concerned as he is, but he’s often, frequently concerned.

[00:31:46] He’s like, Are you sure you’re safe? And I’m like, You never cared when I was in New York. Right. Like, which is the hilarious thing. Um, and to be clear, I actually did feel safer in New York than I do in my own neighborhood. Sometimes I’ll, I’ll [00:32:00] be honest. Yeah. More people, more eyes. There’s a certain sense, like, not to say there aren’t parts of New York where you wouldn’t feel deeply unsafe, but I think for the

[00:32:09] Brett: that’s true. Like I, like there were definitely moments in New York where I felt, um, Like I was about to die, like, like death was imminent, but for the most part, there’s always someone you can reach out to for a hand.

[00:32:27] Christina: there, that there’s a comfort in that. There’s, there, there’s a comfort in that. And, and I think that, that, that’s the thing where like, because Seattle, even though the neighborhood I live in is starting to pick back up again, especially during the pandemic, there were some times when literally the only people that were out were people that like, are, you know, uh, struggle with like mental health issues.

[00:32:46] And, and, and, and drugs tend to be violent, right? Like that because of

[00:32:51] Brett: walk down the street and see a lot of people that appear to be having like a conversation on their Bluetooth phone, uh, their Bluetooth [00:33:00] headset, and then you realize they don’t have a headset and they’re just conversing with that, That freaks me out. Like I see that even in the Midwest. Like you walk through Minneapolis, you’re gonna see that.

[00:33:11] Um, but I, I remember, uh, New York my times in, uh, some of the uh, uh, Southern California smaller cities just had an excess of people having conversations loudly as they walked down the street. Um, and, and it, it, it makes me very nervous cuz I don’t know what to say to those people. I don’t want to interrupt them.

[00:33:37] Christina: right? Well, right. I mean,

[00:33:39] Brett: but then suddenly they’re talking to you and you’re like, No, go back to whoever you were talking to before.

[00:33:46] Christina: right. Yeah. No, it, it can be unsettling and, and at night and it can be, especially sometimes people can be erratic and uh, and there can be like feelings where you’re just like, I don’t know, but I didn’t have in New York again, like it’s just, there’s always people around. So even if [00:34:00] you have that, There’s, it’s not just that.

[00:34:03] And so there’s something that, that feels safer. Um, but, uh, it’s weird. Um, but yeah, but we should, uh, yeah. So anyway, that’s, that’s kinda my mental health update slash tangent. But we should

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[00:34:20] Christina: If, uh,

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[00:34:25] Christina: I, I am

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[00:38:02] Christina: Fantastic.

[00:38:05] It’s a GitHub Universe

[00:38:05] Brett: So, yeah, I, I do want to hear what, uh, so right now, uh, Oracle Cloud World is wrapping up and I didn’t have to go, uh, friend of the show, Victor was, uh, there all week with the world’s largest pie cluster. Um, but I was, if I had gone, I would’ve had to help present topics that I wasn’t super comfortable with.

[00:38:31] Um, and I also am, I’m so bummed about my current, like, physical shape that like, the idea of getting up in front of people is very nerve-wracking for me. Um, so anyway, I was glad not to have gone. I watched it from afar. I ran ground support for my team, uh, did all the blogging and everything, and Aaron did most of it, I’ll be honest.

[00:38:57] Um, but, uh, [00:39:00] but it just was not. It was not super well attended. It was not super exciting. I had no reason to put up with Vegas in order to go, but GitHub universe, I think might be more my speed. So tell me what, what, what’s going on with GitHub Universe?

[00:39:22] Christina: Yeah. So it sounds like Oracle, um, cloud world was a hybrid event.

[00:39:27] Brett: Yeah.

[00:39:27] Christina: that accurate? Okay, cool. So the GitHub universe is gonna be a hybrid event as well. Um, and, uh, this is the first time that GitHub has done a hybrid event, Microsoft Ignite, which I, I did a week before last. Um, or no, was it la It was last week.

[00:39:40] It was last week. Um, was also a, um, hybrid event. But, um, the, um, uh, the way that this is gonna work is that we will be in person, um, in San Francisco. We are gonna be at the Europe Buena, uh, Center for the Arts, which is right across the street from Moscone. So it’s a [00:40:00] smaller space, the Moscone, which I think is good because especially our first year back, uh, Philly Moscone would be difficult and, and that.

[00:40:07] Brett: a tea garden in there that I love. Yes.

[00:40:10] Christina: Yeah. So we’re gonna be at the, the Europe of Awareness Center for the Arts, um, which is across the street, and we’re gonna be actually in a lot of that space. Um, we, uh, I, part of that thing I was kind of, uh, doing while I was there was getting, um, kind of a preview of what some of, what the layout is going to be and how things are going to look.

[00:40:28] But we’re going to have a bunch of different installations. I can’t spoil too much about the physical experience. Um, if people wanna buy tickets, they’re still available. It’s November 9th and 10th, um, and. Uh, there’s gonna be like an outdoor stage, uh, that we’re calling the, like the garden stage where, where me and my, uh, uh, one of my co-hosts and one will be, uh, MCing the event and introducing different sessions and tracks and stuff.

[00:40:52] And, um, uh, my, uh, my pal Damian is also going to be one of our roaming hosts. And then we’ve got a bunch of different [00:41:00] sessions that are happening across five different tracks. So, um, there’s, you know, uh, the, the schedule is online right now. It’s at GitHub universe.com where you can see what’s going to be happening.

[00:41:10] But we’ve got like our, kind of our main track and then there’s, um, different tracks on cloud, security, AI, and community. And so, There are gonna be things like, uh, you know, stuff about, you know, using, uh, code spaces, um, and, uh, GitHub co-pilot, GitHub actions. Um, stuff about, um, you know, using, uh, ai, which obviously co-pilot is, is involved with, um, you know, how, how GitHub builds GitHub, which I actually think is that, that’s a cool session that I’m actually really looking forward to watching because, uh, I think that’s cool.

[00:41:46] There’s also one on how GitHub uses GitHub to secure GitHub. I love all the inception stuff. Um, there’s like a bunch of stuff about like community and, and open source and sustainability and kind of, um, Thinking about what we [00:42:00] can do both like as Skid hub, but also as just people in the ecosystem to make things better for maintainers.

[00:42:07] And um, uh, you know, there, there are workshops as well, um, for people who wanna get like more in depth training on things. So, uh, but the cool thing is, is that if you can’t be there in person, and I think in person, they’re one of the main benefits is that you get to like, meet people and like, have conversations.

[00:42:25] Like it’s not just the content, all of the. It can be great in seeing people live can be fun. I think the big thing for me always is like getting to actually have those similar to like those things you have at Mac stock, right? Where it’s like having the call, the hallway conversations, being able to run into people and have those experiences can be really, really good.

[00:42:43] But everything will be streamed@githubuniverse.com. So, um, you know, go there, register, you should not get too many like marketing spammy emails. Uh, but, uh, they do want people registered to be able to view all the content and then everything of course will be on [00:43:00] demand later. But, um, I’m, I’m super, super stoked.

[00:43:03] The, just the stuff I can, I can say I can, I don’t wanna ruin too much, but I can say like the, the mockups and the things I’ve seen of what the event space is going to look like is awesome. And, and they’ve, they’ve really outdone themselves and that’s that shit that, that, uh, that is exciting.

[00:43:21] I would love to see you there and I think

[00:43:23] Brett: I would get to hang out with Christina Warren. Maybe I’ll bring a, I’ll bring a mic set up and we can do a live podcast from GitHub Universe.

[00:43:33] Christina: Okay. That we could. And that would be amazing. And, um, at least a segment. Right? Not a full thing. Um, or at the very least we could do it from the hotel. But yeah, I, um, I, um, I’m super excited. It’s gonna be a really good event. I had such a good time at Get Merge last month and I’m really, really excited about this just to be able to meet people in the community.

[00:43:56] I did a live stream cuz. Um, have you guys been doing anything with, with [00:44:00] Hack Tober Fest? Um, at.

[00:44:03] Brett: Not, no, I, No.

[00:44:05] Christina: Okay, so Oktoberfest is, is, um, a month in, um, it’s October. It takes place every October. And Digital Ocean sponsors that. It’s a digital ocean thing that’s basically dedicated to trying to like, you know, um, bring awareness and, and get people to contribute more to open source. And they do that by like giving, like, giving people opportunity to like win a t-shirt and stuff like that.

[00:44:26] And there, there’s been drama in the past because what people used to do is they’d be like, Hey, if you wanna get a free, you know, t-shirt, just make this really shitty pull request to these open source projects. You know, like for a typo or something. And, and, and, and you’ll get a t-shirt. And then, you know, maintainers are like, you say that this is supposed.

[00:44:48] Better for us all. And you’re, you’re, you’re ruining our lives. So, so, um, we worked out a thing a couple years ago where basically like only projects that tag themselves, you know, [00:45:00] as, as being, you know, uh, Hack Tober Fest eligible, um, would be eligible for the T-shirt. But I’ve been doing, you know, we’ve been doing some C live streams and talks up that they’re people and, um, uh, are you, are you familiar with the charm?

[00:45:13] I’ve talked about them on the, on the pod before? Yeah. So I, I did a, a livestream yesterday with some members of the charm team and also, um, uh, te, who’s one of the Neo Im, um, core, uh, contributors. And, um, we were talking about sustainability and open source. It was a really fun conversation, and that got me really hype for Universe because I know that it’s gonna.

[00:45:34] More opportunities to talk to people like that. And I don’t know, like the thing that makes me the most excited about my job, not just, I love where I work and I, I love the stuff that we’d build, but beyond that is just like getting to meet other people who work on such cool shit, you know,

[00:45:50] Brett: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:45:51] Christina: Like, I love that. Yeah. And, and those, those are people who will be at Universe, right? Like it’s, it’s really, I don’t know. I’m, [00:46:00] I’m, I’m stoked.

[00:46:01] Brett: That was always my absolute favorite part of Mac World, uh, was meeting the indie developers and meeting the people. I’ve used your app. Holy shit. I’m meeting you in person. Like the first time I met Fletcher Penny, like the creator of multi markdown. I was, I felt like starstruck. Uh, like now we’re friends, now we’re working together

[00:46:25] Christina: Now you’re working together on a

[00:46:26] Brett: then I was like, holy shit.

[00:46:28] The guy who made multi markdown is having a beer with me.

[00:46:32] Christina: When I met Cable and Steven from Panic for the first time, I mean, I was starstruck. I, I, I’ve, and, and I’ve said this to people before and people think I’m crazy, but it’s true. I’ve met big fucking deal celebrities, right? I’ve interviewed them and, and it’s nice and I’ve been starstruck a few times, but I, I don’t know if I’ve ever been quite as like Stars Shark as when I meet people who make the shit that I use and that I love, right.

[00:46:58] Like that to me. [00:47:00] I’m a weirdo, I guess, but like, to me, like that’s even, and I love pop culture and like, not to say that if I met Taylor Swift in person, I wouldn’t fucking die. And I did. And I will say the most star struck I’ve ever been in my life was when I cried, when I met Big Bird. When I met, um, um, Harold Spinney.

[00:47:15] Um, he was, he was, uh, doing a, an Oscar the Grouch thing. And it was amazing. And he was so kind. And I, I fucking sobbed like, like a baby because my childhood, I did the same thing when I met the current Burt. But like, I, uh, when meeting people who make the stuff that you use, there’s just, it’s awesome.

[00:47:35] Brett: Speaking of idle worshiping indie developers, uh, you ready to do some gratitude?

[00:47:41] Christina: I’m ready to do some Capt.

[00:47:43] Brett: So this week I’m picking curio, uh, from Zen Gobi. Uh, I met George, uh, years ago at a Mac world. And, and it was one of those things where I felt, um, [00:48:00] Curio is such a crazy in-depth app, uh, that it really, it speaks to the way that I create things where I just, I want it to, once it can do one thing, I want it to do another thing.

[00:48:14] And, and then I just try to build it as elegantly as possible. Uh, just make it do everything. And Curio is one of those apps that, um, it lets you create these spaces that. Visual, almost like idea boards where you can combine, mind maps and lists and preview documents and, and I embed emails and, add free form text and add, tasks and lists and project management stuff.

[00:48:47] All in this kind of like visual space. And then you can easily search and jump between and use like, uh, unified project management tools across all your spaces. And [00:49:00] it is, it’s kind of insane what it can do. And every time it comes out with an update, which is pretty much yearly at this point, um, he does something that makes me say, Holy shit, that’s awesome.

[00:49:15] I don’t use curio every day, but when I am putting together an idea or a larger project, curio is one of my favorite ways to organize all of the inputs, all of the, uh, various, uh, like when you’re researching something and you just wanna co compile like a bunch of different websites, a bunch of different, uh, like markdown texts and a bunch of different lists, uh, it’s a super great way.

[00:49:42] And, um, you can actually preview a curio space in marked so you can convert your curio space and all of its, all of its markdown and, and mind map content into like a single [00:50:00] unified document that you can then like read through in a very left to right top to bottom fashion. Uh, whereas curio is, you can spread stuff in any direction all over the space.

[00:50:10] Um, But it’s super easy to export it as, uh, usable documents of other types. So yeah, I pick, I pick curio from Zen Gobi. That is, it’s an insanely cool India.

[00:50:26] Christina: Yeah, no, this looks great. I, um, I’m, I’m gonna like check this out. Um, which one do you use? Because I’m seeing that there are like three different options. There’s core, there’s standard, and then there’s, uh, professional. Which one do you use?

[00:50:38] Brett: I’m a friend of the developer. I get professional for free.

[00:50:43] Christina: Nice. Okay. Um, cuz I was just trying to figure out like, like what, uh, what option would be best. I, I’m probably just gonna download the trial and.

[00:50:52] Brett: you what, friend of the show, I’ll get you a, a pro license. No problem. I got, I got the connect.

[00:50:58] Christina: You got the connect. [00:51:00] I love it. No, but I’m actually, I’m really, really looking forward to trying this out cuz um, I use, uh, obsidian for some stuff like this, but I think for a lot of things like where you need a lot of different types of stuff. Like, again, like I, I probably wouldn’t use this every day, but when starting on a big project.

[00:51:17] Brett: for text, but if you want anything more than text, curio is just the bomb.

[00:51:23] Christina: what I’m saying. Like, and the thing is, is that again, if I can have my markdown stuff, like, you know Yeah. The fact that I can bring in PDFs and multimedia and all that, No, this looks great. This looks kind of like what I wish, in some ways OneNote was cuz OneNote’s not bad. Like OneNote’s not terrible.

[00:51:39] I actually have to say like a for in terms of like, I actually had this, Sorry, go on.

[00:51:43] Brett: the only problem with one notice, the lock in, like stuff is not easily, uh, portable to other, other types of, of software.

[00:51:54] Christina: Agreed. Agreed. And, and it also looks like this is, has like, you know, it has some [00:52:00] CanBan style things and other stuff like that. You don’t get those options in in OneNote and OneNote. Like at this point I think OneNote is way better than, um, than Evernote, right? Like, sorry, not sorry. Like, like Evernote is shit, the bed a long time ago.

[00:52:13] And, and, and one note is significantly better. It’s free for most use cases than if you have a, an office account at all. Um, it’s, uh, you, you get. You know, even more stuff I guess, or whatnot, but, but OneNote is awesome, but this looks like this could take things to the next level, which I really, really could get some use out of.

[00:52:33] Um, so my pick, so I’m checking that out. Thank you very much for, uh, hooking me up on that. So my pick is menu bar X, and this is one that I, I will be honest, I, it’s, it’s part of setup. I’d never used it and it was probably one that I would’ve dismissed. And then I was watching a video from, uh, from Quinn Nelson Snaq, and he was doing like something on like top, like free, like something about Mac apps or something like that.

[00:52:59] And, and I [00:53:00] was like, I watched the video, then I was like, I’m probably not gonna see anything that I haven’t seen before. And then I did, uh, because Quinn makes great content. And so the idea between Menu Bar X is, um, it’s, it’s available, like I said, in set up. It’s also available directly from, um, the developer, which I believe is, is Sixx Studio, but it’s at Menu bar.

[00:53:21] x.apple have the links in the show

[00:53:23] Brett: Also Mac App Store.

[00:53:25] Christina: Yeah. It’s also in the Mac app store. Um, so what’s cool about it is it basically creates like a, a web app or PWA progressive web app, um, in your menu bar so that you can then, um, quickly access that from anywhere. So for instance, I’ll say this, I still occasionally have to deal with some Microsoft stuff, um, on some of my machines.

[00:53:51] Um, even though I, I don’t work for Microsoft Property anymore, and, and GitHub uses completely different tooling. There are still times when I need to [00:54:00] log into those systems. The problem is I don’t always want to have the, the apps installed because they’re not always well optimized and I would need to have stuff, um, you know, like always running in the background.

[00:54:12] Dropbox actually is a good example of this too, because Dropbox, even though. It’s gotten better. Uh, it’s still sort of a resource hog and I don’t love it and I don’t use it the way that I used to. So you can have these things running in the background for just kind of occasional use cases. Like I’ve got one for my personal OneDrive account because I access that occasionally, and I can just access the, the, the, the web view in my menu bar with, with a menu bar X.

[00:54:38] You could also do things like YouTube or Instagram or TikTok or whatever. But the thing that got me on it was I was like, Oh no, I can actually use this for file sharing services. Like, like One Drive. I could have my work, one drive for the few times that I need to use that a week. I don’t wanna have it running all the time when I’m only interacting with it sparingly.

[00:54:56] And, um, and, and Menu Barx is really great for that. So [00:55:00] that’s my pick because, uh, it’s a really good way of being able to just kind of like, create, you know, little web app things and your menu bar. Um, it’s, it’s slick and it works really

[00:55:14] Brett: I, uh, I just, while you were talking, I installed it, it won’t let me log into SoundCloud. It says there’s an ad locker that’s stopping it, but, um, like it was like one click to add a SoundCloud single site browser to my menu bar. Uh, if I can get it to let me log in, that’ll be awesome. Um, yeah, this is great.

[00:55:36] Like I love single site browsers. I love them for. Uh, corralling cookie usage. Um, I love them for easy accessibility. If like, I have one that I, I have my own single site browser for Messenger cuz I refuse to use their desktop app. Um, and, and, uh, uh, bunch can actually [00:56:00] create single site browsers. Um, you can add just a command to a bunch file that’ll automatically create an SSB for any site.

[00:56:09] Uh, but this is, this is snazzy. Do you remember Fluid?

[00:56:13] Christina: Yeah, fluid was amazing. I loved fluid so much. Flu fluid was

[00:56:16] Brett: And, and Fluid had a pin to menu bar option. So you could create a single site browser, pin it to the menu bar. It could run a bunch of like, uh, user scripts and, and

[00:56:28] Christina: that, that’s what I,

[00:56:29] Brett: and everything.

[00:56:29] Christina: that’s what I loved about fluid because, uh, I would have user script stuff and you could do notifications and like fluid was, was really great. And I don’t think this gets that in depth, but sometimes for the, for the, for my use case for like, what I would be like using it with, I, I didn’t, I wouldn’t want that.

[00:56:43] Right. Like, I just need something in the menu bar and, um, and, and I, Yeah. But fluid is amazing. There’s also, what is it? Is it, uh, is it unite? There’s like

[00:56:52] Brett: yeah. Unite, Coherence and Unite are from the same company. Um, I, [00:57:00] they, they make great little SSBs and you can load all of your Chrome plugins, uh, selectively in the ssb. But I’ve had this problem where I create like a Unite browser. For a site and then a month later it just stops being able to launch and I have to recreate it from scratch.

[00:57:20] I have to delete it and recreate it. And, and I have ne I’ve never filed a bug report cuz it’s never been super important to me. Um, I have like, they’re good apps. I, I have had some frustration. Um, the, I’m gonna give menu bar x a shot, uh, for anyone on Set app. It takes five seconds to install and another 10 seconds to build your first menu bar browser.

[00:57:47] So this is pretty cool.

[00:57:48] Christina: Yeah, and what’s nice about it too is that it has a really easy option to then just like open it in a web browser if you want. It’s, it’s. So like, that’s really nice. So if you did wanna [00:58:00] like, have something and you’re like, Hey, I do actually wanna like open this in, um, you know, my, my browser window, like you can do that.

[00:58:07] Uh, and which, which, which is like, you can also change the view port style, like the user agent and stuff in terms of like what it’s going to, to show you. And you can even detach the window if you wanna do that. So there’s, there’s a lot of options, you know, around, but I, uh, shout to Quinn Nelson for, uh, sharing that with me.

[00:58:26] But then I tried it on, I was like, Oh no, this is actually really useful. So yeah, give this a shot because I miss flew it all the time. And that was definitely like the, the, the greatest of all time. But, um, this, uh, this I think is, at least for kind of the ways I’ve, I’ve been using it, it’s been really good so far.

[00:58:43] So

[00:58:44] Brett: Why have I forgotten the name of the guy who made fluid? Like he’s another person. I’m Todd Todd. Um,

[00:58:50] Christina: D

[00:58:52] Brett: um, Ditch Endorf,

[00:58:53] Christina: Dish. Endorf.

[00:58:54] Brett: wasn’t it? Yeah. Um, I met him at, uh, Mac, Mac [00:59:00] World as well, and it was, uh, one of those experiences. Yes.

[00:59:06] Christina: Same. Same.

[00:59:08] Brett: Quinn Nelson, digital content creator in the show notes.

[00:59:11] Christina: Yeah. We love, we love Snazzy q his, his videos are really good. Uh, yeah. So, so that’s, that’s my gratitude.

[00:59:19] Brett: Awesome. Well, that wasn’t as weird an episode as I thought it would be at the outset.

[00:59:24] Christina: No, no, it, its

[00:59:26] Brett: was a, it was pretty sane.

[00:59:28] Christina: Yeah, it’s pretty sane. It’s pretty good. Um, everybody should, should watch, uh, Taylor Swift’s new video, Anti-Hero. Um, we’re gonna have a whole Taylor Swift episode next week, but, uh, the anti-hero music video, um, Maria, Elizabeth, uh, Ellis or whatever, what’s her face? The, the, the waitress from Always Sunny is, is in the video.

[00:59:46] Brett: Nice. Yeah. Um, Oh, that is who that was. Yes. Okay. Yeah, that was a weird little, uh, break at the end of that video

[00:59:56] Christina: there’s a weird little, There’s a, there’s a,

[00:59:59] Brett: apparently Taylor Swift [01:00:00] is everyone’s mother

[01:00:01] Christina: Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, I guess. But yeah, cuz the song, uh, is, the song is pretty great, I have to say. And, uh, it, it’s one of my favorites. Um, and, uh, she’s like, Hi, I’m the problem. It’s me. Um, which is, which is pretty fucking great. Uh, and, uh, I, I’m, I’m a big, big, big fan of that. Um, but there’s an interlude, well there’s, there’s a thing where she’s like, I have like this like dream where like my, my daughter-in-law kills me to steal my money.

[01:00:29] And then like, you know, I’m, I’m screaming, Fuck you from the grave, Or, or you know, from the ground, you know, from um, uh, you know, from, from hell or whatever. And, uh, then there’s like this very funny sequence that, uh, yeah,

[01:00:45] Brett: We will. I I will, I will watch it again before next week. We’ll, we will force Jeff into this madness and, and we will, Next week will be a Taylor Swift Happy episode. It [01:01:00] won’t be all Taylor’s

[01:01:01] Christina: No, it won’t be all Taylor. It won’t be all Taylor Swift, but we, well, we have to talk about it because there’s, there’s a song at the end that’s, it’s the final one and it’s called Mastermind and we have to talk about it. Um, it, because Brett like, it confirms many of the theories that I’ve spent hours of our podcast overanalyzing analyzing about Taylor.

[01:01:20] So we have to talk about it, but also it’s a fun album. So, uh, stream, Stream Mastermind or midnights, whatever. Um, I’m, see now, now I’m tired.

[01:01:31] Brett: Let’s do a quick recap for the socials today. We talked about, we had a great discussion of, uh, of bipolar as we often do, but we talked about Ellen Forney and, and some of my hopes and dreams for the future. Uh, we talked about GitHub Universe and why Brett wants to go to GitHub Universe. Uh, we got some amazing, uh, uh, Mac app picks.[01:02:00]

[01:02:00] Uh, we got Kario and your menu bar X, so if you wanna learn more about those, make sure you tune in. Um, of course I say that as if people currently listening to the podcast haven’t already tuned in. I’m sorry, I got, I got into like social media mode there, but, um, yeah, anything you want to add?

[01:02:19] Christina: Yeah, no, great, great Mac outs. GitHub universe. Good mental health Corner. I think it’s a, it’s a solid opposite. A little bit of Taylor Swift. Not enough, but not enough, but a little bit of Taylor Swift.

[01:02:30] Brett: More soon. All right, Christina, Get some sleep.

[01:02:36] Christina: Get some sleep right.