302: High Content/Low Energy

Jeffrey is trying to make sense of a medical emergency. Brett experiences a paradigm shift in how he thinks about his bipolar diagnosis. Christina talks about the unique challenges of live broadcasts.


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High Content/Low Energy

[00:00:00] Intro: Tired. So tired, Overtired.

[00:00:04] Christina: You’re listening to Overtired. I’m Christina Warren, joined as always by my good friends. Jeffrey Severance, Gunzel and Brett Terpstra Boys. How are ya?

[00:00:15] Brett: So good.

[00:00:16] Jeff: Hello.

[00:00:16] Christina: Hi. So we are recording this a little bit later than we usually do in the week, uh, ironically, because we’ve all had kind of things going on and, um, all of us are, if this is gonna maybe be a little bit of kind of a low energy show, but not low content, uh, just because we are all tired,

[00:00:37] Brett: same amount of content, just slower

[00:00:40] Jeff: No, I think we got a new, that’s a new like tagline. High content, low energy.

[00:00:44] Christina: Okay. I don’t hate that. I don’t hate that at all.

[00:00:47] Jeff: I can see the shirt.

[00:00:49] Brett: like that’s a drink. White Russian, high content, low energy.

[00:00:56] Jeff: Oh man, I used to, I was never a heavy drinker, but when I was in a band and playing a lot, playing shows a lot, I realized that if I had a white Russian and two green belt beers, which for non Minnesotans is just pick your piss beer. But we’re loyal to it. If I had that combination of drink, I would go into the show without having to stretch cuz that’d just be a little looser.

[00:01:20] generally. And by the time the show was over, I was no longer drunk and, or it buzzed or whatever. And I really, I got like science, it was a scientific thing, a white Russian, and two grain belt premiums. And I’d go into the show, a barrel of laughs, and come out pretty sober and ready to go to sleep.

[00:01:39] Brett: Yeah, my first time in a bar I was like, I think 17. Maybe 18. And I didn’t, I didn’t know any drinks to order. Like I had no experience with this. And white Russian was the only drink I had ever heard of and that was the night I discovered there’s also a black Russian,

[00:02:01] Jeff: Oh yeah,

[00:02:02] Brett: in a black Russian, but I liked it better.

[00:02:05] Jeff: They make canned white Russians. I mean, they like make a lot of canned cocktails, but there’s the mental health check in right there

Mental Health Corner

[00:02:17] Brett: So should we roll into a, a mental health corner? Are we, are we high enough energy to do that?

[00:02:22] Christina: Totally do that.

[00:02:23] Brett: Okay. Who wants to start

[00:02:25] Jeff: Uh, I can start.

[00:02:26] Brett: to it please.

[00:02:28] Jeff: Um, my family had a medical emergency over the last week and I spent some time in the, um, In the hospital in like the nicest hospital room. It was amazing. They had a we,

[00:02:39] Christina: Oh my God.

[00:02:39] Jeff: if you wanted an Xbox or a PlayStation, you could get that instead. Um, and they had like a blue-ray player and a giant TV that was really high quality.

[00:02:50] There were actually three TVs in the room. It was the craziest thing ever saw. Um, I know when I, when my mom was my mom, Was in a coma in the ICU for a couple weeks, two years ago, maybe three years ago, and I, the entire time she was there for two weeks, I couldn’t get a folding chair, but this hospital room had a couch that turned into a bed, a recliner, two regular chairs.

[00:03:13] It was like, Oh, like wow. It’s just like such a crapshoot. It’s amazing. Anyway, but the, we was kind of amazing. Um, my, so it’s always strange to be in and out of a hospital room over the course of a week. It definitely causes me to lose the ground from under my feet. Um, and, uh, and so that’s, that’s pretty much how I am feeling is, uh, without any ground under my feet.

[00:03:39] Um, and it also is like my brain is trying to kind of figure out where to sort some hard news out of this family emergency. Um, and it’s just, it’s like, it feels like two things at once. It feels. brain can’t sort it, but it also feels like, I know that there’s a part of me that’s very emotional about this, like, but I can’t quite get through the membrane to get my hands on it.

[00:04:11] Um, and so it just feels like, like I’m at a distance from the kind of true feelings of the thing. And that always scares me a little bit because I can, I can, I’m someone who can easily get kind of disembodied where like I feel a lot of my stress in my head, but I don’t really feel anything else in the rest of my body.

[00:04:29] It’s like, everything’s just like, it’s like so symbolically perfect cuz I’m in my head and, and all of the discomfort is also in my head. And I think when I’m, when I think of settling things, settling in, I literally think of him like trickling down from my head into the rest of my body. And that’s something I’m struggling with right now after just getting some hard news this week.

[00:04:51] So. So that’s it.

[00:04:54] Brett: so I, I saw a therapist this week and I saw my psychiatrist this week. And, um, I have come to believe that what I, you know, how I check in is stable sometimes, but I’m fucking bored. Um, and, and not, not doing great like, like stable, what I’ve called stable has never been great for me. Um, I also saw a talk from a bipolar cartoonist this last week who came to speak at a local college.

[00:05:27] Um, and. I realized maybe like, so there’s bipolar one, bipolar two, then there’s this other thing that starts with C Y C L, Cyclo EMIA or something like that. And I realized that might be me. Like I might not be bipolar two, as I had always assumed I may be this thing that alternates between hypomania and depression and rapid succession and never sees like a real stable in between.

[00:05:59] So what I’ve always called stable might be depression. and like, So my new goal after talking to psychiatrist and therapist is to find out what stable actually can be and like to reframe. Like, I’ve always been scared of finding stability because in my experience, stability had been something just infinitely boring and without any creative, uh, or productivity, like, just not the way I wanted to live.

[00:06:34] Uh, but that might be depression for me and I might be able to find a stable where I’m actually happy, where I experience like normal human happiness, not like manic euphoria. Just like, uh, an interest in doing, like going for a hike, going for, uh, a good dinner, um, and really finding pleasure in those things without having to be manic.

[00:07:04] Um, and so that’s kind of, that’s rocked my worldview, if you will, um, to, to realize maybe there’s something that I haven’t experienced that I could strive for. Uh, so we started looking into ways that I can. Reach that stability, uh, without losing all of the things I love about hypomania, uh, without losing my creativity, my, my drive to create new things.

[00:07:36] Um, to maybe find that and be stable because this, this bipolar cartoonist, um, I would have to look up her name ho give me one second, uh, edit. Um, she wrote a book called Marbles and one called Rock Steady, and her name is Ellen Forney. Um, and she was, she was an excellent presenter. It was like going, Do you guys know who the blog is?

[00:08:07] Is. Um, she is a, uh, a blogger who is, I can’t remember exactly what her neuro divergence is, but her level of anxiety and, uh, sarcasm combines to make really amazing, Like she’s written a couple books, uh, and, and she has always spoken to me as, as a neuro divergent person. But, uh, Ellen Forney, like really when she presented, uh, she did it so humbly, uh, well, basically saying like, I have suffered through.

[00:08:48] Extreme mania and extreme depression. And I’ve come out as this, this is what I’ve produced, this is what I’ve learned from the process. And it was, I cried a little listening to her just because I related and I could feel like the pain of what she had gone through and, and the fact that she had come out on the other end and had found stability and had been able to continue creating as a stable person was like joyous to me.

[00:09:23] And it’s given me something new to strive for.

[00:09:26] Christina: That’s really great.

[00:09:28] Jeff: I feel like you’re, you’re in the, there’s this whole category of experience when something changes in your life or when or when something is removed, um, either by choice or or not. And you ask yourself the question, What am I without X? Right?

[00:09:46] Christina: Mm-hmm.

[00:09:47] Jeff: it seems like you’ve been, you’ve been asking that question and what you just described sounds like it’s like a pathway to an answer, which is awesome.

[00:09:53] Brett: Yeah, my therapist described it as like, so you’re sitting in a room and your mania is sitting in this chair and your depression is sitting in this chair, and they are your old friends like you. You need to choose whether you’re gonna say goodbye to them or whether you’re going to manage them, or like how you’re going to define this relationship with these external beings.

[00:10:19] And that, that kind of ranked true for me, like this idea that my mania was almost this external thing that I associated with, that I related to, uh, that I, I wanted in my life. So I, yeah, I have some shit to figure out, uh, as far as this relationship goes with my bipolar. Um, but yeah, this new idea of maybe happiness, instability, that could be, that could be cool.

[00:10:50] Jeff: Yeah,

[00:10:52] Christina: I think that’s, that’s, I think that could be amazing actually.

[00:10:54] Brett: I’ll keep you posted. Okay.

[00:10:58] Christina: So for me, mine, um, I mean I’ve been, so I, I was hosting, uh, Microsoft at night this week and we might talk a little bit about some of the stuff that was announced there. Cause some of it was, was actually interesting. A lot of it is just like enterprise. Kind of stuff that’ll appeal to a certain segment of our audience, but not most of it. But, um, but that was, it was, it was fun. I haven’t, um, done, um, a hosting thing like with Microsoft since I left Microsoft. And, um, you know, I’m, I’m, I’m, I’m still, you know, part of kind of like the, the family so to speak.

[00:11:28] You know, I work at GitHub and so I’m doing universe next month, which, uh, November 9th and 10th in, uh, uh, San Francisco. So if you are there and you see me obviously say hello, uh, we have a rule on a rocket where if we see listeners in real life, I buy them a drink. But that also applies to Overtired listeners, and it does not need to be an alcoholic drink.

[00:11:49] I’ll buy you, you know, smoothie or coffee or whatever the case may be. Um, but uh, just throwing that out there, I’m very low probability that anyone who listens to this podcast will be at GitHub Universe, but you never know. Um, also, uh, register and join us online for free. That’s end of my plugging. And, um, So, but no, but I was doing that and it was, it was fun, but it was also kind of weird.

[00:12:11] I was like kind of back, you know, in this, in this world a little bit that I hadn’t been in. And, um, I had been a little bit disconnected from a lot of the process of actually, uh, you know, kind of the, the day to day stuff of like, I didn’t really know what content was gonna be involved and I wasn’t super involved in the script writing.

[00:12:28] And so I really was kind of, Hired talent who wasn’t, you know, paid. Um, the, the guy that, um, so we had, it was a hybrid event, so there were people in, um, Seattle at the Seattle Convention Center, which is incidentally like a five or six minute walk from my apartment. Uh, I had to go, you know, half an hour away to Redmond, the Microsoft campus, the studios record there.

[00:12:51] But we did have a bunch of people in person doing stuff. Um, and then there were some local events happening at the same time in, in various parts of the world. Uh, but it was me and this guy Brian Tong, who’s a, uh, YouTuber, used to work at cnet. Now he has his own YouTube channel and he’s an independent guy.

[00:13:07] We were the two people hosting. From, um, uh, main studios and we had, we did some interviews and some other stuff, but a lot of it was just kind of introducing packages and going to the next, you know, bits of segments and things like that. But, um, it was fun. I, I got to see some people, um, who came out, you know, for the event in person at, at, um, like kind of a community kind of meet meetup thing that was in my neighborhood.

[00:13:31] Um, I was not able to go in person to see anything because I was too far away and I was literally on air the whole time that everything was happening. But it was, uh, my mental health is, is good. I guess. It was, it was, it was weird though. It was like, you know, you go back and I, it’s almost like, you know, when you go back and you like visit like a school after you’ve graduated or left and you see, you know, people and I certainly like, it wasn’t the same thing cuz I was still like doing, you know, a job and was, was hosting and whatnot.

[00:14:01] But, you know, it’s, it’s like not my, my life anymore really. Right. Like, it might be for a couple weeks out of the year, but, You know, I, I was coming in, you know, as, as kind of like somebody who was disconnected from the normal process. And because work is so entwined with my identity in a lot of ways, kind of what you were talking about a little bit, Brett, um, uh, you know, I, for me, it’s not anything to do with my, my, my mental health or, or my neuro, but work has for better or worse been like a, a big definer of, of how I kind of see myself.

[00:14:35] Um, probably for worse, to be honest. It was, it was interesting to be back in kind of a, a place and be like, Oh, this isn’t necessarily my identity anymore. Um, but you know, you still have like this muscle memory of being able to kind of jump in and, and do it and, uh, you know, um, bullshit and ask some of the, the questions if you need to about stuff that, like, I don’t think about every day anymore, right?

[00:15:01] Uh

[00:15:02] Brett: is it muscle memory? Cause I, I watch some of the stuff you

[00:15:06] Christina: mm-hmm.

[00:15:07] Brett: and like, when we do this podcast, if we’re having a rough day, we can come on and we can say, I’m having a rough day. It’s gonna be, it’s gonna be slow. Um, I’m super tired. You don’t get to do that when you are

[00:15:20] Christina: no, no, no.

[00:15:22] Brett: to just flip a switch and just be on, Cause I, I have trouble imagining that for myself.

[00:15:28] Christina: yeah. I, I am And that actually, that’s actually, Thank you for bringing it back for the mental health thing. That is a struggle because, and this is what I think people don’t understand sometimes about those types of roles, because you have to be on, and not only are you on when the camera’s on, you need to be on, when you’re not on, you know, because you need to be nice to the crew and the execs.

[00:15:50] And then if you’re going to the community meetups and the other things that are happening around these things, you have to be on there too. Like I was commiserating with them, a former colleague of mine, I know we were talking about like a lot of people are like, Oh, you know, your spouse would never go on these trips with you.

[00:16:03] And I’m like, Well, it’s not a vacation. Right? Like if, if he came at the end of the trip on his own dime and then we, I took time off and we stayed a few extra days in the city. Sure. But when you go to these things, yeah, you might have a day or two that you can get around to do site scene, but it is not a vacation.

[00:16:23] And beyond that, even when you have those little pockets you can carve out for yourself, you still have to be on at all times. And it can be really draining. And I consider myself a social person, right? Like I consider myself an extrovert, but it can still be really draining. And then a scenario like this, when you’re doing the hosting stuff, we are live, there are some pre-records, um, but even those, they like to do them in one shot.

[00:16:47] But we are live. And, and you have like a camera crew and you can’t just mess up. If you do, you’ve gotta kind of joke at yourself and then move on. But like, it is the same as doing like live television, where you’ve gotta be on, you’ve gotta have the energy. It doesn’t matter that you, you know, woke up at four 30 in the morning and have been there since, you know, 6:00 AM and um, this is your third day in a row of doing a 12 hour day and you’re exhausted.

[00:17:12] Like you’ve gotta, you’ve gotta look and have the energy and bring it on and, and do this stuff, and you don’t have any way to not do it. And so I think a lot of people, they think, Oh, it must be so easy just reading off a teleprompter. And it’s like, no, it’s actually not. It’s both emotionally and mentally.

[00:17:28] There’s a lot that goes into it. And then beyond that, like not everybody has the personality type for it. Uh, and, and, and not everybody would enjoy doing it. And I do enjoy doing it, but when I do it, like days like this, like a day after, I’m coming off of like a three day bender where I’m just like, Fuck.

[00:17:45] You know, I’m, after we finish doing Overtired, like, and I finish uploading the latest episode to the download to, uh, to YouTube and, and get that up. Like, I’m just gonna like, take an edible and like piece out for the rest of the weekend.

[00:17:59] Brett: Have you seen the show, uh, reboot?

[00:18:02] Christina: No.

[00:18:03] Brett: Um, it’s, it’s got Keegan Michael Key in it. I

[00:18:07] Christina: Oh, okay. Love him.

[00:18:08] Brett: actors, but you would know all of them. Uh, it’s got the jackass dude, uh,

[00:18:13] Christina: Johnny Knoxville. Johnny Knoxville? Yeah.

[00:18:16] Brett: Um, and there’s just, there’s a moment where she has just received like very troubling personal news and then they call. Like she’s on and she has to walk from, It’s about, it’s about a TV show. It’s about a Hulu, Hulu TV show. And like she’s backstage and all of a sudden it’s her, it’s her time for a line. And she has to drop from this like, extremely emotional moment, like, of like anger and sadness and just smile and walk out into a sitcom television set and deliver her line.

[00:18:53] And I’m like that, that remind, It made me think of you, Christina, because I know you go through some shit. I know like life is not perfect for you, but when you get in front of the camera you have to smile and you gotta be on and, And I thought of you.

[00:19:09] Christina: Yeah. No, I want, I mean, it was, it was, I mean, I, I would not look and, and I’ll fair, I would not have been able to do this if, if it had been like my own, um, uh, you know, uh, parent or father or anything. But like, I was, um, I had just, um, arrived in Paris I think when, um, my, uh, my husband’s father, when my father-in-law died.

[00:19:29] Like I had just arrived and, and he, he’d been sick. He had cancer. Grant was with him, and I literally just arrived and that happened. And I was not in a position where I could fly back. It was not one of those things where I, I, you know, it just, it wasn’t like it. I was not in a position where I could do that.

[00:19:44] And then like, you have to go and give a talk and, and be hanging out with people forgetting about the fact that like, you have all these other stresses happening in your life and at home and these personal things. And it can’t matter. It’s exactly like you said. Like you, you know, you, you could be feeling really sick.

[00:19:59] You could be feeling whatnot. Like, I, I passed out on stage once my blood sugar got bad and I fainted on stage with, and that was really fucking embarrassing. And then you have to like, build it up and go on and then pretend like, like, No, no, don’t make anything about me. I think people gave me really good review marks because they felt bad for me, but that was, uh, still like, you know, humiliating on a lot of levels.

[00:20:18] It was not great. Um, but yeah, that’s, you’re exactly right. It’s, it’s, it’s, um, yeah. It can be a lot. And, and I think that that’s why I, after I do a lot of these things, when I did them more frequently, it was easier to kind of figure out how to kind of like modulate, you know, and kind of get through it. But then when it’s like been a while and like I haven’t done one of these all day things in quite some time.

[00:20:43] Like I, I was at, um, get merge, but that was an in person thing. And it’s just, it’s not the same as on camera. It’s not the same. And, um,

[00:20:51] Jeff: uh,

[00:20:52] Christina: you know, it’s not the same as when you literally have like a full production studio and like a jib coming at you in four cameras and instructions in your years of where you need to turn and what you need to do and reading off the prompter.

[00:21:03] And you’ve gotta get in at this timeline and oh, now you’re being told that you have to actually extend two minutes because they need to fill time. And so you’re talking to someone and you’re like, All right, let’s, we’re, we’re, we’re gonna have to like, come up with an extra talking point. Yeah. Which I can do.

[00:21:18] But the, the problem is, is that sometimes the person you’re ramping with doesn’t know they have to va. Like I was doing a, an interview live yesterday. About some security stuff. And the girl was great, but we’d rehearsed a lot and she was wanting to be very specific and, and very scripted in what she did, which I totally get because for people who don’t do this for a living, like they feel much more comfortable when they have it all out there.

[00:21:38] Um, but it needed to be five minutes. And originally when we’d practiced it was like seven, so we needed to cut two minutes. Well, we cut too much or she cut too much. Um, and so we had a minute to go and so we’re done. And I need to be kind of wrapping up and she and I hadn’t talked about this before, but I was like, Okay, I have, I have, you know, literally I have, I have 65 seconds I need to fill, so I have to like come up on the fly with another question.

[00:22:01] She handled it great, she gave some great tips, it was fine. And then I was able to get us out. I think we might have still been about 10 seconds early, but we were, you know, close enough. But yeah, you’re right, like those things happen and it’s just like, okay, that’s that, that’s it. And you have to forget about all the other shit that might be going on in the back of your mind.

[00:22:19] And I’m sorry that was a rant, but I’m very tired,

[00:22:22] Brett: No, that was

[00:22:23] Jeff: But it sounds exhausting.

[00:22:25] Brett: Yeah, for real.

[00:22:26] Christina: It. No, it is, It is.

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[00:24:51] However, there are some weird differences. Like if you’re in the uk, like it might be part of Disney plus, if you’re like in other things, it might, may or may not work. We also see things, uh, you know, we were just talking about that Amazon and some Amazon Prime stuff varies country by country. The same with with Netflix stuff and, uh, You know, if you’re ever in that scenario where like you’re really excited to watch this show or film and then you find out it’s not available in your country, and that’s really frustrating.

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Heartbreak High

[00:27:33] Brett: Have you guys seen Heartbreak High?

[00:27:35] Christina: No. Tell us about it.

[00:27:37] Brett: You know, you know, I have a thing for young adult stuff. Some of my favorite books are classified as ye

[00:27:46] Christina: Okay. Yo, why, for sure. That’s, that’s different though, but yeah.

[00:27:50] Brett: Well, yeah, and this is, and it’s not, I think I might be emotionally stunted from years of, of Addiction. Um, but I really, I really enjoy why stuff, but l who does not have my history with addiction, also enjoys this show called Heartbreak High on Netflix.

[00:28:10] And it is astounding. It is like, if you are queer or neuro divergent in any way, this show has something for you.

[00:28:20] Christina: Ooh. And it’s a reboot.

[00:28:22] Brett: Is it really

[00:28:23] Christina: is apparently I’m, it was an Australian program. It that, that also aired on the bbc, um, from 97 to 99.

[00:28:32] Brett: takes place in Australia.

[00:28:34] Christina: Yeah. Well, no, that makes sense because it’d be weird for them to like reboot it otherwise, but yeah, it was on, it was on Network 10, um, and um, and then it was on BBC two, but yeah, it was, it was So was an Australian show.

[00:28:46] It was, Oh, it’s a spinoff of the 1993 Australian feature film. The Heartbreak Kid. Um,

[00:28:52] Brett: the original now, because this show is

[00:28:54] Christina: Tell us about it.

[00:28:56] Brett: Um, like you, like the, the main characters are, there’s one girl who, who’s basically neurotypical, uh, has no idea what’s going on in her friend’s lives. Um, like she’s very surface level, but then her friends include like, uh, a non-binary queer.

[00:29:18] Like, uh, like cis male, um, who is in love with this guy who’s caught up in this like, uh, world of crime where he basically is scared to deviate because he’ll get the ship beat outta him. You got an autistic girl and, and he’s best friends with the autistic girl and is like an amazing friend to a high school girl with autism.

[00:29:44] And there’s uh, uh, you got a girl who goes through a near sexual assault and then her father is also insane. I don’t know in what way, but basically her life is in danger at home because her father, her single father is just fucking nuts. And like all of this comes together. It is the most dramatic. High school center.

[00:30:15] It’s like if 9 0 2 and oh had a lot more just insanity and neuro divergence to it,

[00:30:23] Christina: Okay, so, so, so, so is Australia and Degrassi is what you’re saying?

[00:30:29] Brett: I, I don’t actually relate to that, that analogy, but I’m gonna, I’m gonna let it, I’m gonna accept that that’s probably

[00:30:36] Christina: Okay. So, so, so, so Degrassi and then there was Degrassi. So there’s Degrassi, Junior High, Degrassi High. Then there was Degrassi, the Next Generation, and then they did a Netflix one, and I don’t fucking know what that’s called. And they might be doing another one, but it’s like this Canadian soap, teen soap thing that has gone on for generations that, uh, that’s where we got Drake from, to be honest.

[00:30:59] Brett: Okay.

[00:31:00] Christina: Because Drake was on the next generation. He was, he was, uh, Jimmy Brooks who got shot and then, uh, crippled. He was a basketball player who was shot in a school shooting thing and, and then, uh, couldn’t use his legs anymore. And, um, and they ver they let him rap occasionally, but you didn’t ever actually hear any of his stuff.

[00:31:16] Then he was always kind of doing it on the down low, um, under his, uh, his Drake, uh, moniker. But, uh, it, it sounds a lot like Heartbreak High, seems like Australian Degrassi, which as a big fan of Degrassi, um, I’m here for, So that’s fun.

[00:31:31] Brett: I, I re I don’t think, I don’t think it’s, it’s specifically for people who enjoy young adult stuff. I think it’s for anyone who is neuro divergent or queer in any way that wants characters that can relate to you because they do an amazing

[00:31:52] Christina: Mm-hmm.

[00:31:53] Brett: of representing different types of people. Um, it’s, it’s really like, it’s really moving.

[00:32:01] I recommend it for everyone.

[00:32:03] Christina: That’s cool. Yeah. And actually, it turns out some of the characters that I’m just looking at here, some of the, the recurring and notable guest stars, um, were from the original. So, um, I wonder

[00:32:12] Brett: didn’t know that

[00:32:13] Christina: Yeah, no, again, so again, I’m, I’m just being real, like, and I’m into watching this because I was unaware of this show, but this does completely scream to me.

[00:32:21] And in, in fact, I bet even when it was created, cuz Degrassi had already happened in Canada, um, at, I totally bet that somebody was just like, let’s just do an Australian version of Degrassi. Uh, and, uh, which genius, You should totally do that. And now the reboot, um, is referencing old things like Degrassi did.

[00:32:39] So I’m, I’m gonna watch this. And I, I think to your point, I think it’s great that they show like these different types of people, but I also feel. Whether you’re emotionally stunted or not. And I love your thoughts on this, Jeff, because you’re, you know, you have, um, teenagers, but I feel like there’s something kind of for a lot, for some people, not everybody, but for some people, there’s something that is like always going to be fun and relatable and you know, like you can dig, jump into things that are either take place at that time in people’s lives or um, you know, things that may or may not be classified as ye just because even though whether you’re emotionally centered or not, once you get past that, we can always, I think a lot of us anyway can like go back and like remember what that time was like and, and that’s just like a, it can be very compelling is all I’m saying.

[00:33:25] Like I think whether or not you, cuz I don’t consider myself emotionally stunted the way that, that you might read, but I’ve loved teen shows since before I was a teenager. Long after I was a teen. You know, I like why stuff. Um, but I also think that sometimes it can also be a really good way, as you were mentioning, to showcase people with, with different backgrounds and, um, you know, um, uh, you know, who are different because it’s a lot easier to kind of show that kind of coming of age stuff in a coming of age setting than it is in like an adult workplace thing where, you know, it’s like people, like even the most, uh, uh, you know, understanding and, and and whatnot amongst us, like, you might not give the same sort of understanding or care as much about the journey if it’s like watching like a, a workplace, you know, drama of somebody in their forties and going through these things as if you’re seeing like the self discovery and, and, and whatnot, you know?

[00:34:24] Brett: that moment, that chrysalis. When, uh, when things like neuro divergence become like the most important in your life, uh, the th the times when they affect your life the most, like everyone who grew up, uh, you know, uh, bipolar, autistic, adhd, We all remember

[00:34:45] Christina: Depressed.

[00:34:46] Brett: we remember what high school was like, uh, those times when it became the forefront of our lives.

[00:34:53] Uh, and I think everybody, no matter where they’re at, can remember those moments.

[00:34:59] Christina: I agree.

[00:34:59] Brett: I feel like high school dramas, uh, they, they work

[00:35:04] Christina: They do, they do high school dramas, young adult things. I mean, I think that’s why like some of the best films and some of those things, like I consider the graduate like one of like the best films of all time, right? And, and, um, based on a book, but like Mark Mike Nichols, like what he did with that. Like that is like the, the kind of quintessential of that era coming of age thing.

[00:35:23] It’s also sort of an allegory for the end of that decade of the sixties. Right. And um, and I think, you know, you see that with a lot of, a lot of content and, and that I think is why stuff is read at this point more by adults. Than than young adults. Right? Like, if anything, I

[00:35:39] Brett: better.

[00:35:40] Christina: No, no, no. This has been the trend for at least a decade.

[00:35:42] Like, it, it, it like, like Twilight was definitely part of the kickoff for sure. But then like Hunger Games I think was really, I mean, Harry Potter, honestly, we really wanna go back, but that I don’t consider Harry Potter y I think those are children’s books, um, that happen to just be very good. But then you had Twilight and then you really had Hunger Games cuz Hunger Games, the books were fucking good.

[00:36:04] And it wasn’t just like a book that you would be like, Oh, these are just things that kids read. It was like, No, this is actually like a good series. And then the movies were really fucking good. Like the, the movies were better than they had any right to be. Right. And, and that kicked off. I think this whole resurgence of, um, writers, especially from different backgrounds writing for frankly adult audiences, but using the YE themes.

[00:36:28] And I’m sorry, I’m, I’m rambling cuz I’m

[00:36:29] Brett: No, I feel like that’s totally true. Like I, those books are not, like, they’re not stupid. Like they’re not written to children. They are written to adults. Uh, and they might be about themes that maybe a high schooler can relate to, but, but I’m, I’m not a stupid

[00:36:49] Christina: No, no, you’re not

[00:36:51] Brett: books.

[00:36:51] I’m very literate and I read these books and like they speak to me. Maybe not in the way that, like a Tom Robbins book speaks to me. But, uh, but I never feel like it’s being dumbed down or like I’m reading something for children. Like they are, they’re written for adults about, about themes that honestly we’ve all been through and we can relate

[00:37:14] Christina: Totally. Did either of you ever read, um, the Parks of Wallflower?

[00:37:19] Jeff: No.

[00:37:20] Christina: Okay. So it’s a great film too. Um, and, and Steven, um, Chapski, can’t pronounce his last name or can’t think of it, but he, um, I think he wrote the screenplay as well as, uh, the book, which for, for me, like made it really good. But it, it, so it was published in 1999.

[00:37:35] I was in high school. I was like the, the age, it was really kind of designed for, um, I’d read Catcher in the Rye. Right before I read that and, and that actually was gonna be one of the examples I used too. Catch on Therye is a fucking y novel. It’s a coming of age novel, Right. But it’s also widely considered one of the greatest books of all time.

[00:37:52] And it is, Right. But, but that is like one of those, But per subpoena wallflower, um, it takes place, It’s written through letters to this kind of anonymous person, and it takes place in I think like 1991. Um, and, um, uh, which was an interesting device even to use then, because for the generation, like my generation who read it, like I kind of knew some of the references, but I didn’t know The Smiths.

[00:38:15] Like I was, I’ll be completely honest, I was introduced to the Smiths through the perks of Being a Wallflower because in the book, he, he talks about getting these tapes and, and listening to the song, um, um, you know, Asleep and um, and things like that. And like that introduced me to, to The Smiths. Um, and then I remember going, using Napster to like, download songs that were in the, in the, um, book.

[00:38:37] And then later in the movie, Yeah. But, but that is one of those, like, I was just, I would just put it out there for anybody who likes this sort of stuff. It’s a fantastic book. The film is great too. The film has, um, Emma Watson and um, um, Ezra Miller, uh, who they are, you know, controversial, but they were very good actors in it.

[00:38:54] And, um, Logan Luman, it’s, it’s, uh, it was, um, adapted in 2012 and was, uh, very well received, um, as, as a film. But the, the book is, I still think back in my mind as like, yeah, it would be probably my top 10 books as like, like weird as that is for a fucking MTV book because it was under MTV’s imprint, which was brand new then.

[00:39:17] Yeah, it was, MTV Books was brand new then it was under their imprint. And I remember even reading the, the reviews, like, I don’t remember what was The Times or, or, you know, things like that. But it, you know, it was written up in, in some of like the things other than Kirks who were. Oh, this is actually good.

[00:39:33] And you know, it came out on paperback. It was one of those like great just books and anyway, it just makes me think of that cuz you’re right, those things are like forever whatnot. And I was the age, um, that I needed to be when that came out. But as an adult I could still think like people could read that and watch the film and totally be like, this shit works.

[00:39:54] And then it’s interesting cuz the film, what I liked about it, they didn’t, um, adjust the timeline. It still took place in the early 1990s. So even though at that point it was, it was 20 years later or 30 years later. 20 years later. Yeah,

[00:40:07] Jeff: Hmm,

[00:40:07] Brett: Can you drop that in the show

[00:40:09] Christina: I will absolutely put that in the show notes.

[00:40:11] Brett: Veni?

[00:40:12] Jeff: I can, I throw two shows into that mix, which is, uh, Dairy Girls and Sex

[00:40:17] Christina: Yes. I love dairy girls.

[00:40:19] Jeff: Ugh.

[00:40:20] Brett: I love sex education and I’m so excited there’s another season coming. That’s such a great

[00:40:25] Jeff: So fantastic. I know it’s like

[00:40:27] Brett: I just restarted Dairy girls, uh, this week too.

[00:40:30] Jeff: Oh, nice. We’ve started season three, uh, which just came out.

[00:40:35] Brett: Yeah, that’s why I restarted. I had to like, I had to start from the beginning, so I get season three in, but yeah. Great shows.

[00:40:42] Jeff: so delightful. You know, one of a man who was kind of a boy who was kind of a bully in my high school, uh, kind of stated something once to me. That to me is like, explains my attraction to any kind of media that takes us back into our sort of mid to late adolescence. And he said to me, and this guy was such a jerk, he, he used to punch me at the bus stop once we were in the computer lab and he balled up a bunch of clay from, from, uh, pottery class, and he threw it at the back of my neck as hard as he could.

[00:41:15] And he is such a dick. And then one day he says to me, he’s like, You know what? You know what high school is? This is all high school. It’s high school. It’s just a microcosm of the rest of the world. And I went, Where do you get off dropping fucking wisdom on me. Like you’ve been like,

[00:41:30] Christina: He’s completely accurate.

[00:41:32] Jeff: and I’ve thought of that motherfucker ever since

[00:41:35] It’s just like, but it’s true. Like, you know, it’s like for me also, like there’s always a, a film projector playing, like, uh, you know, not quite in focus reels of my high school experience inside my head. You know, like we’re always, I feel like we’re always living there a little bit. Um, and, and so I think to be able to like, touch it through literature and TV is just awesome.

[00:41:59] Sex education for me especially was one of those

[00:42:01] Christina: Yeah, I, Yes, actually chicken is great. Sorry, go on.

[00:42:04] Jeff: Oh,

[00:42:04] Brett: really, I thought Christina was saying perks. Sini Wallflower. And I’m just looking at the show notes and realizing

[00:42:13] Jeff: that’s her password. That’s her, that’s her

[00:42:15] Christina: That’s my password. Indeed.

[00:42:17] Brett: The Perks of Being a Wallflower, which I have actually heard of. That’s way less foreign to me.

[00:42:22] Christina: Okay. Yeah. Cause I was a little bit surprised. I was like, Perk Sabina Wallflower. The, the movie and the, the book, I mean, the book is, is, um, is, is fairly acclaimed and I was especially, I I was like, it was written by like a late era Gen Xer, like a guy, you know, about your age. Um, Brett, uh, uh, because he, he wrote it based on like, when he was in high school and, um, and so I, you know, um, yeah.

[00:42:49] Anyway, it’s a, it’s, it’s, it’s a, it’s a great book. Um, great movie too. Sex expectation is great too.

[00:42:56] Brett: S uh, Scully is amazing in sex education.

[00:43:00] Jeff: Scully . Jillian Anderson. Jillian Anderson.

[00:43:04] Christina: Yeah, she’s amazing.

[00:43:05] Jeff: If, if nobody’s seen it, it’s the,

[00:43:08] Brett: and her lover, the Lars, or whatever

[00:43:10] Jeff: Yes.

[00:43:11] Brett: he, It’s such a great relationship.

[00:43:14] Jeff: Just the idea that you’ve got a high school kid. His mom is a, is a sex therapist. He has, he has all the possible repression issues and he ends up being a counselor to people in his school in a secret spot to help them with their most, most intimate sexual problems.

[00:43:31] And it’s like, and I just think what a beautiful premise in the first place, but just the way it unfolds is just amazing. Amazing. Anyway, love

[00:43:42] Brett: uh, should we do some gratitude before we wrap up?

[00:43:45] Christina: Yeah.


[00:43:46] Brett: I’m gonna go with choosy this week. There are, there are multiple apps like, so basically when you click a link, it opens your default browser. Uh, but if you have choosy set as your default browser instead of your default browser, you get a window, a little like popup where you can choose like Safari or Chrome or Firefox or Edge or whatever, whatever browsers you have installed, and you can pick which, which, uh, app to open any Lincoln.

[00:44:21] What I love about Choosy and Choosy is, Honestly, it’s the oldest one I know that still exists. It’s been around for a while and it’s still updated. Um, what I love is that it has a whole, uh, rules system where you can say, if this is true, then open and this browser, or offer me a selection of these particular browsers.

[00:44:45] And you

[00:44:46] Jeff: I need that

[00:44:47] Brett: default browsers for certain types of links. If I hold on the option key and click a link in an email, it’ll ask me which browser to open it in. Uh, if it’s an Oracle specific link that I know is going to require the vpn, I send it to Safari. I don’t have to think about it. It just automatically opens in Safari where my VPN works better.

[00:45:08] Um, and just like all of these things that as the problem arises, I just add a new rule and I never have to think about it again. And Choosy, Choosy is perfect for it.

[00:45:18] Christina: Yeah, I, I will, plus one that I’ll also say, uh, csi, um, George, who is the, the developer of csi, he actually works at GitHub, which, um, I, uh, realized slash remembered a few months, um, after I joined and I like reached out to him and I was like, Oh my gosh. You know, cuz we, we’ve been Twitter mutuals, but I, I, uh, never really talked to him that much and I was like, Oh, that’s awesome.

[00:45:37] That we’re both at, at GitHub. Um, and, uh, I, I, So it’s funny, So I use Sui on I think two of my machines. I have been trying one called, I think it’s pronounced Velha. It’s V E l j a. And that’s from, um, um, and that’s from CiDRA. Sohu, who’s a, a very, uh, we’ve talked about a lot of, um, uh, his apps before. That one’s in the App store.

[00:46:00] It’s free. Choosy is good.

[00:46:02] Brett: open source.

[00:46:03] Christina: And open source. Yes. Choo is good because I think that it’s a little bit more customizable in terms of some of the rules you can do. And in terms of, um, like, like you said, like getting like specific apps and like if you want like, to really get granular with your rules, it’s awesome.

[00:46:18] Um, I, I, I love, hoo, The one thing I will say, if you’re using a browser that has, uh, different profiles, like Chrome has profiles, but so does Edge, so does like Chrome, beta whatnot. If you’re, if you use like a bunch of the, those different types of things and you wanna open specific sites and a specific profile, Choosy right now doesn’t do that for all of the, um, uh, various like versions of, of the browser.

[00:46:44] So you might wanna look at, at Velha. But, um, in general, I totally agree with you. Like it’s such a great app and, and it’s one of those that I paid for a million years ago. I remember when it was a preference pain and then it became like zone app and it’s so, it’s so good. Like I can’t, I can’t not use those things.

[00:46:59] Cuz for me, I’m similar to you, right? Like if, if I’m doing work stuff and I even have like a rule set up, like in choosing whatnot, like if I’m opening something up in GitHub, it needs to be in my work profile in Chrome because that’s where all my stuff is and that’s where I’m authenticated through like Octa in terms of like my fingerprint key because I only have so many of them and I, you know, can send everything there.

[00:47:23] But for other stuff it might be like, No, I wanna use Edge, or I wanna use Safari, or, you know, Firefox or whatever the case may be.

[00:47:29] Brett: the, uh, I have the choosy plugin installed in Firefox, Chrome and Safari, where if I’m viewing a webpage in one browser and I like as a web developer, I wanna see how this page looks in another browser. I just click the choosy button and the toolbar and pick a different browser and it opens the same page in a different, Or if I go to something like Riverside where we record our podcast and I forget which browser I’m in, I can just click the button and switch to Chrome, which it requires.

[00:48:02] Um, I’ve also played with browser ferry, but honestly, Choosy is, Choosy is my choice. I choose choosy.

[00:48:09] Christina: Yeah, I would say I, I, I like Choosy and I, I like, um, Veja, but yeah, Choosy is, is, is great and it’s well designed and, and George is, uh, good work. And, uh, also, you know, shout out to another GitHub coworker, but I’ve been using it for, I don’t even know how long, but yeah. Great. Great. Pick.

[00:48:27] Brett: All right, that’s it for me. Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait. One thing, do you know I added Chrome Pro profiles to bunch?

[00:48:34] Christina: No. Ooh, tell us about that because that’s awesome.

[00:48:37] Jeff: Yeah.

[00:48:38] Brett: bunch, in bunch, you can open a link specifically in Chrome just by typing Chrome Colon and then putting the url. Now, if you type Chrome, and then in square brackets you specify a profile, uh, and it’s case insensitive, it’ll take the first match.

[00:48:57] Um, and you can specify any profile and Bunch will open that link automatically in that specific profile. It only works with Chrome and Canary right now. Um, I haven’t played with Edge, uh, incorporating it there, but, but you can, you can do specific Chrome profiles in bunch.

[00:49:20] Christina: Very

[00:49:20] Jeff: about, um, like Firefox, um, containers? Do those have an API attached to them at all?

[00:49:26] Brett: I’ve not figured that out yet.

[00:49:27] Jeff: Okay. Okay. I’ll be right here when you, Do you wanna go Christina?

[00:49:35] Christina: All right. So, um, the one I’m gonna mention, um, there are a bunch of, uh, these types of apps and, and, and, uh, I know that like we talk a lot about note taking things, and Brett obviously is working on his own thing, but, um, you know, the second brain kind of like, uh, era of apps, you know, has been a thing for a few years.

[00:49:52] Like, there’s log sec, there’s room research, and there’s obsidian and obsidian. One point. Just came out like they just hit one auto and they actually had a, a pretty decent redesign. I think that, I think the app looks a lot better and um, although I do wish that it were maybe open source, most of the, um, plugins are, and so there is like a really, um, great ecosystem.

[00:50:14] They have a way that you can pay either one off or if you wanna do the subscription. I don’t do any of their subscriptions cuz I don’t care anything about publishing from them. There are other ways you could do it too. And, and the syncing through iCloud uh, works, uh, perfectly fine for me. But I think that in terms of like the, so the idea of this is, it’s not just like a Notes app cuz you could have any notes app, it’s like a notes app and a mind mapper and you can grab things from other sources.

[00:50:38] Like you can get plugins with, you know, different reading sources or, you know, um, different things you can send to and it can extract stuff from images and, and tweets and other files and, and really, um, make it so that you kind of have your own personal wiki to then be able to search through and find things really easily.

[00:50:57] Brett: I have multiple things to say about obsidian. Uh, first of all, early in their development, they contacted me, uh, for advice on some various markdown kinds of things. And they said, We don’t see this as a, as a competitor to the, the NV Ultra app that you’ve announced that you’re working on and have been for fucking years now.

[00:51:20] Um, I’m like, Absolutely it is,

[00:51:23] Christina: Of course it

[00:51:24] Brett: I, I 100% wanna help you out because, you know, this is the community we work in. Um, and absolutely it

[00:51:31] Christina: Of course it is. Absolutely it

[00:51:33] Brett: hundred percent competitor to NV Ultra, and it is a fantastic application. Um, the things that can do the extensibility of it, the, the way it can do these like mind map node connections of all your notes.

[00:51:48] I can’t remember what they call it, but it’s, it’s outstanding. Um, there are you, they have a url. Handler and, uh, you can create like I have incorporated obsidian into gather my tool for Mark down defying any

[00:52:07] Jeff: Oh, you did.

[00:52:09] Brett: Um, not, So basically I incorporated Gather with NVI Ultra and then realized I could just create, uh, a way to generate URL handlers for any application, uh, with it, with obsidian in mind.

[00:52:27] But I made it more flexible so you could make it work with any URL handler. Uh, but if you go to the, the Gather Wiki, uh, basically I made it so you can take any webpage and mark down a fight. It’s straight to an obsidian note

[00:52:42] Christina: Oh, that’s badass.

[00:52:43] Brett: it into your Wiki,

[00:52:45] Christina: Hell yeah.

[00:52:46] Brett: click, using a shortcut. Um, yeah, obsidian is outstanding.

[00:52:50] It’s just like I can’t compete with obsidian. It’s so good.

[00:52:54] Jeff: amazing. I use it, actually, the way I use it is I have a single folder of my text files and it’s also an obsidian vault and it’s also the default folder that NV Ultra goes to. Um, it’s also the,

[00:53:08] Brett: the beauty of

[00:53:09] Christina: That is the beauty of

[00:53:10] Jeff: yeah, it’s also where, speaking of Brett tools, it’s also where all of my quick question, uh, text files are.

[00:53:17] And, and, and that helps a great deal cuz I still, it is a competitor clearly, but I see why they would, why they would believe maybe more strongly than they ought to, that it’s not because,

[00:53:28] Brett: You can use them in

[00:53:30] Christina: You can,

[00:53:30] Brett: are

[00:53:31] Jeff: Yeah, exactly. That I’ve always said, I know I’ve said that to you a hundred times when we talk about upsetting, it’s like, well, I actually kind of use 'em both,

[00:53:36] Christina: No. Oh, I was gonna say, and I use them differently, right. And like, they, they are absolutely competitors, but I think what’s great about this stuff and, and the knowledge, I mean, and you know this better than anybody, Brett, these things are so specific and personal. Like you cannot make this the sort of thing where like you can’t design programs like this, in my opinion anyway, and be like, this is gonna be the one app that everyone is going to use,

[00:53:59] Brett: Or you shouldn’t, you shouldn’t think that

[00:54:02] Christina: Well, you shouldn’t think that way. And if you do think that way, it, it will not be successful with the, the, the nerdy, like very granular, customizable audience, right? Like, if, if you wanna do a general Notes app, that’s fine, but that’s not gonna have all these types of features and so,

[00:54:15] Brett: if you wanna make a craft, if you wanna become your own ecosystem, sure, go

[00:54:20] Christina: Sure. Or

[00:54:21] Brett: if you wanna appeal to the envy, ultra obsidian customers, you need to be open format. Yeah.

[00:54:26] Christina: Absolutely. Right. And so that’s what I do like about obsidian is that even though, like, it’s not open source, like the vaults, like you said, it’s just flat markdown files, so you can use them together. And a lot of people do, like I, I frequently use multiple things together and, and, and, and because there are certain use cases where it’s better, right?

[00:54:43] Like I think in terms of ingesting certain data, like obsidian because of its plug and ecosystem is better. But if I was trying to do, maybe I wanted to get really great markdown formatting and, and, and do kind of different types of writing, right? Like, like in alt would be.

[00:54:56] Brett: access to quick take. A quick note. Yeah. That’s where MD Ultra fits in, but as far as like linking your notes

[00:55:04] Christina: Right. That’s not really

[00:55:05] Brett: all of that, that’s, that’s beyond scope for MB Ultra and Perfect for obsidian. They’ve done such a good job with it

[00:55:12] Christina: exactly. But, but like you said, you can use them together. But yes, obviously they are competitors, Right? Obviously they’re, I think the core most active user base will use more than one, but Yeah. You know what I mean? Like if you’re going after kind the general person, Yeah. Obviously they’re, they’re, they’re a confederate, but I’m really glad that you added all those features and, uh, anyway, I just wanted to them on, on 1.0.

[00:55:37] Jeff: pick is. The is an app I used for like years ago and just picked back up just short Cat and what Short Cat does.

[00:55:47] Brett: I haven’t heard that. I haven’t heard

[00:55:49] Jeff: Is this. It essentially, it essentially allows you with a sheet keyboard shortcut to basically select any UI function,

[00:55:59] Christina: Oh yeah.

[00:56:01] Jeff: select any UI function in the app you’re in. Um, many more features in a browser, but like if I’m, you know, I, the thing I think of is that Brett has the misfortune of having to sometimes talk me through something I’m doing on a screen share and, and he’ll be like, No, no, I told you no, it’s update.

[00:56:19] No, it’s up, it’s, it’s up upper left up further over. Um, and what you can do is shortcut, cut shortcut is just hit your, you know, global shortcut and, uh, type in the thing he said I was supposed to be hitting, and then you can even click from there. Um, it’s just a really, I, I don’t even know, like, uh, it’s, it’s totally, uh, has great functionality that I don’t use very often, but it is one of those things when I first discovered this app that kind of made me understand how.

[00:56:50] How you are able to interface with your computer in ways that are invisible to you. Um, and the fact that you could be in an app and just start typing and it would, it would show you functionality that you can’t even see.

[00:57:02] Brett: Right. Yeah. It’s deep access. It’s deep access to mac o s accessibility, um, features, and it uses accessibility to be able to access any control you can see on screen, um, and provide keyboard shortcuts to it. It’s, it’s an outstanding, I just haven’t heard about it for years.

[00:57:21] Christina: Well,

[00:57:21] Jeff: Right. No, same. I

[00:57:22] Christina: it was, it was rewritten. It looks like, um, a big rewrite happened in like June or July, so now there’s been, Yeah, so, so this is what happened. Yeah, so I’m, because I just, I had, I heard of it, but I forgot all about it. So I looked this up and in, um, June 27th, 2022, first release from scratch rewrite with improved architecture, and I.

[00:57:43] Requires Mac S 11 plus some workflows of change, new ui, and then they’ve started adding. It’s been actively developed like a, like a new release

[00:57:51] Jeff: Do you think they, did they rewrite it in Swift? Did they rewrite it in Swift, you

[00:57:55] Christina: I don’t know,

[00:57:57] Jeff: Okay.

[00:57:58] Christina: but, but I, but I, but I don’t know.

[00:58:00] Jeff: the funny thing is, the reason it came up for me was not bad. It was that, um, I’m, I’m trying to just like deal with the garbage pile that my sonology is of all of my old files, cuz I dumped 'em all in there and I was just trying to see if I could find, make some sense of it.

[00:58:16] And I found a folder that had on my apps from a backup from like 20, I don’t know what I mean, I think I, I might be crazy, but I’m pretty sure Short Cat came into my life before 2010, but I could be wrong. It was a long

[00:58:30] Christina: Yeah, no, no, I know. Yeah, no, I look back at it. I think, I think it, I think the first one that I see, but this was not, the first version on their page goes back to 2012. And so, and that was, uh, version zero 2.3, but that means before 2010 probably does make sense. Right? So, but that, just that, But, but no, cuz I, I vaguely remembered the app that I didn’t, I hadn’t thought about it in a long time.

[00:58:53] I don’t know if I ever used it, but yeah, I just got a significant rewrite and now it looks like it is actually under much more active development, which is really cool.

[00:59:01] Jeff: yeah. It’s awesome. It’s fun for not using your mouse

[00:59:05] Brett: I think I’ve mentioned it on the show before, but have you guys seen Polero?

[00:59:09] Jeff: No.

[00:59:10] Christina: I think I, you.

[00:59:11] Brett: through Set app.

[00:59:12] Christina: Right. Yeah. You’ve told me about this one before,

[00:59:15] Brett: So if you’re familiar with the command shift, p pallet in, in sublime or vs code, if you have sublime shortcuts, um, it gives you access to every menu item in an application just by hitting command shift p in any app.

[00:59:32] Uh, so you can like command shift Pete, and then just like fuzzy matching of any menu item, uh, hit return. Next time you pop it up, it will default to the last, uh, menu item you triggered. So it makes it really easy to repeat functionality. Uh, I’m gonna add it to the show notes. Just

[00:59:52] Christina: Absolutely.

[00:59:54] Brett: bonus pick.

[00:59:55] Christina: Bonus pick. Yeah, I actually, it’s funny because I looked at this, I just pulled up setup, I didn’t have it install on this computer, but I have it starred, so I clearly have it installed someplace, but I might not have used it. You know how those things go. But, um, but, but like all, no meaning I haven’t like, used it regularly all the time, but I do remember this now cuz you told me about it and that’s awesome.

[01:00:14] Jeff: Yeah. it’s got the most adorable.

[01:00:19] Brett: I,

[01:00:21] Jeff: It’s a little kitten with a with a computer mouse in its mouth.

[01:00:25] Brett: Oh, you’re talking about, um, uh,

[01:00:28] Christina: Short, Yeah,

[01:00:29] Brett: Yeah. Notcher, is that

[01:00:31] Jeff: Sorry. Not

[01:00:33] Christina: yeah, I was gonna say, but yeah, Shortcuts icon is super, super cute, but, uh, yeah, PLE Roses is, is a little more normal. Um, not, not super cute, but sounds like a great app. So yeah, add that as a bonus, but yeah. Short Cat, thank you for that. I’m gonna play with this.

[01:00:46] Jeff: Yeah. Super fun. All right. Get some sleep.

[01:00:50] Brett: Jeff, I, I wish you the best of luck

[01:00:53] Christina: For real, Jeff. We

[01:00:55] Brett: all of the things that are going on in your life

[01:00:57] Jeff: Thank you. Appreciate it.

[01:00:59] Christina: Seriously. Jeff, Like we love you. Thank you for, for being on the show today and contributing and everything and uh, um, yeah. Uh, YouTube, Right. I’m glad working through the stuff you’re working through and I’m, I, I love you both and I guess, uh, everybody should get some sleep, right? But I do, I do

[01:01:14] Brett: too.

[01:01:15] Jeff: Yeah, awesome.

[01:01:17] Brett: some sleep.

[01:01:17] Christina: get some sleep.

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