290: Original Recipe

Jeff is traveling, so Overtired gets back to its roots with just Brett and Christina talking about mental health, conferences, Top Gun, and great apps.


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Original Recipe

[00:00:00] Brett:

[00:00:03] Hey, you’re listening to Overtired. This is an episode, original recipe, Overtired, uh, Overtired classic. Just me, Brett Terpstra and Christina Warren, Christina, how you been?

[00:00:16] Christina: I’ve been good. I’ve been good. It’s been a while.

[00:00:19] Brett: Yeah, we had three. We had two weeks off and we missed one week because, uh, you had already taken off and Jeff was, uh, Jeff got the COVID. Uh, and,

[00:00:30] Christina: Ronna.

[00:00:31] Brett: and I didn’t have time to, to fill in with anybody. And then I got a little sick and we took three weeks off. So, so welcome back. I

[00:00:40] Christina: Thank you very much. And, and it feels like it’s been even longer than that because I, I think it’s been like a month since I’ve done a pod because of all the travel and stuff that I did. So I’m, I’m very grateful to be back I’m I’m sorry that Jeff can’t be with us. He’ll be with us when we record next time.

[00:00:59] Um, but yeah, [00:01:00] over, over Overtired, classic OG Overtired. Overtired OG. There we go.

[00:01:04] Brett: I don’t know if Jeff will ever listen to this, this episode, but as much as I love the, the classic recipe, I really, I really like Overtired with Jeff. I really like having him on.

[00:01:16] Christina: I love having him on too. And, and so, so it’s weird to, for us to have like the throwback to like, what was, you know, our like typical thing for,

[00:01:24] Brett: feels like we’re, it feels like we’re missing a limb.

[00:01:28] Christina: kind of, kind of like, I didn’t ever know that I wanted three arms, but, but here we are.

[00:01:33] Brett: so you, you did some travel where’d you head.

[00:01:36] Christina: So I was in, um, uh, Denmark and then I was in Tel Aviv. So I,

[00:01:41] Brett: didn’t know about that

[00:01:43] Christina: Yeah, that one was right after Denmark. So I literally left Denmark and I flew to stanol and then from stanol went to Tel Aviv and then I was in Tel Aviv, um, for like four days. And so it was a quick trip. Um, but, uh, I wish that I could have been there longer, but if I sent you [00:02:00] the itinerary of stuff that I did while I was there, like in past jobs, not at tech companies, but in past jobs, I have had people complain to me and be like, we don’t know if we had enough value out of your trip, which a go fuck yourself.

[00:02:17] Because, because of one of those trips, we ended up getting to Tim cook interview. So, you know, suck my Dick. Um, you more than got value. Like you, it, it’s not a question and, and, and B, but like, you know, I I’ve always do my all into work trips, but in this case, like, cuz it’s my first time doing like a, a solo trip for GitHub.

[00:02:37] I was like very concentrated on like making sure that I, you know, like did enough stuff and, uh, no one, no one could argue, like, I don’t even think like the most like pedantic or like biggest asshole could like look at all the, all the, my attender and be like, yeah, Christie didn’t didn’t do enough work related things on that trip.

[00:02:58] It was great though. [00:03:00] Exactly, exactly. Cause

[00:03:01] Adventures in Tel Aviv

[00:03:01] Brett: so what do you do when you go on a trip for GitHub? What, what’s your, what’s your gig? So there’s a mark

[00:03:06] Christina: So, I mean, in this case I was doing a lot of talks and a lot of community things. So this was what my itinerary was when I was in Tel Aviv. So I got in at like two o’clock, one o’clock, two o’clock in the morning. And then at, um, 4:00 PM or I guess really I got there around. Yeah, I think I got there at four. I might have gotten there, um, a little bit earlier, a little bit later, I showed up at this, uh, very big conference called all founders, which was an amazing, amazing event.

[00:03:34] Shout out to everybody who put that together, which, um, uh, Microsoft, um, um, Israel sponsored, but it was a ton of companies and startups from all over the ecosystem and, and the region who showed up. And, um, it was, it was great. It was a number of different kind of venues. Like, uh, it was one space, but they had like different rooms for different tracks.

[00:03:53] And then there was, um, like an outdoor kind of area where there were custom t-shirts and there were that, that [00:04:00] you could get made and there was amazing food and just great networking. It was a really, really good event. And so I gave a talk there, um, where I basically did like a, a, a code to cloud roadmap by GitHub where I kind of showed the process of.

[00:04:13] Of how you could kind of, you know, take an issue and use that, um, use code spaces to, you know, like make, um, you know, changes, uh, to the code and then, um, you know, use actions to, to push to production. Um, and so, um, so I did that demo and, uh, that was the first time I’ve done that talk and I’m actually really proud of myself cuz I wrote it and did the demo and stuff in the hotel that morning.

[00:04:38] And uh, the, the venue didn’t have great, um, uh, internet. So I had to Panama to the recording, which can be difficult. Um, although I actually, I think better at that now than I am doing the live demos, to be completely honest with you. So that was Sunday. And then that was a lot of networking. So then I got back late and then [00:05:00] Monday, um, I did a, um, Of kind of a presentation with some, um, various accounts and, and, um, you know, people who, who have very, you know, who already pay for various Microsoft services, um, telling them about, um, get up advanced security and doing demos with that.

[00:05:19] Um, then I went and had, um, there was a community meet at, um, um, the Microsoft reactor and it was a, um, a get meetup actually. And so I, I showed off co-pilot and, and some open source, um, stuff there, which was really cool. And also code spaces met with community members. Then there was a party after that.

[00:05:40] And then the next day, um, there was, um, a, uh, a kind of a women in tech community, a meetup thing where I gave a different talk. And, um, I met with a bunch of people. Then I had a, um, a, uh, media interview with, um, [00:06:00] Publication in, um, in Tel Aviv, the guy who runs like a cloud kind of newsletter there that I had, um, a meeting with some startups.

[00:06:09] Then I had a round table with some startups here and kind of their feedback on various things. We filmed some videos. Then I had, um, there was, uh, Jay frog had, um, a community, um, meetup, um, where, you know, people were giving presentations on various stuff. And so I gave another talk there and then I met with some people for drinks.

[00:06:29] And then

[00:06:30] Brett: giving. This is too much detail.

[00:06:33] Christina: I’m just saying, no, no, but

[00:06:36] Brett: sounds very busy. Lots of talks and some social obligations.

[00:06:40] Christina: and, and no, and, and then I flew back. So all I’m saying is that, like, if you looked at, if you looked at this thing, like I was basically like nonstop, so yeah, that was too much detail. Sorry, but yeah, that, that, but that’s what I do at GitHub is what you’re was, what I was trying to say is I give talks, do social obligations, um, have socialization.

[00:06:57] Yeah.

[00:06:58] Brett: I could travel more [00:07:00] with Oracle if I gave talks. And the thing is the talks that you just described. I could totally give those talks. Like those would be fun. I could write those. I could give them when it comes to Oracle cloud infrastructure. Um, I’m about to get certified in OCI, but nothing about it really excites me to the extent that I wanna write a talk and give it in public and like GitHub on the other hand, man, I’m all about GitHub.

[00:07:29] Christina: Right. No, I was gonna say GitHub makes it easy. When I was at Microsoft doing Azure stuff, it was more like your scenario, right? Like it was a little bit harder because it was one of those things where, especially when I first joined, I didn’t know anything about Azure. So I had to like give myself, like I had to learn.

[00:07:47] And so then I wrote a fundamentals track and gave a lot of talks about those things. But when new features would come out, I would give talks about that stuff and, and try to show off cool demos and integrate things. But yeah, that was always a challenge for me. And the, [00:08:00] the reality of it is like GitHub.

[00:08:01] It’s, it’s a breeze because I care about it and I like it. So this is obviously a good fit for me, but. If, if you’re going to give talks and you work at a tech company. Yeah. The reality is sometimes you’re giving talks about things that a, you don’t know a ton about B um, you might not be super passionate about, and that doesn’t matter.

[00:08:20] And then C you have to answer a bunch of questions about things that you don’t really necessarily know a lot about. So you have to learn on the fly yeah. Apply.

[00:08:27] Brett: is Q and a, like, I, if someone gives me a script or, or even bullet points, like I can make a presentation out of it, but like being able to answer interesting questions anyway,

[00:08:39] Christina: of times, and a lot of times your answers are, I’m gonna have to check on that for you, or I’m not quite sure. Or sometimes no, you know, which is hard for people to say, you know, if the answer is, no, we don’t have a, a support for this or that. Um, and, and then just turn that into an opportunity to gather feedback, but yeah, so it, so it was busy.

[00:08:59] Mental Health Corner

[00:08:59] Brett: this [00:09:00] conversation could dovetail multiple directions. I kind of think we should get the mental health corner in, um, because my mental health corner actually overlaps this job conversation a little bit. Um, do you mind if I go first?

[00:09:15] Christina: please

[00:09:17] Brett: So I finally had a manic episode after like four months of just being stable.

[00:09:24] I had a one night manic episode. Um, and then I had like elevated mood for like a week after that, but I didn’t lose any more sleep after that first night. Um, which is kind of an ideal manic episode because I finished a month long project in one night and I created something like I had had this project at work that I knew was coming up and I knew was gonna take, like, I wasn’t.

[00:09:54] A hundred percent sure I could do it. I wasn’t, I wasn’t a hundred percent sure it could be done. [00:10:00] Uh, it was a, it was a hacking programming thing, uh, extending J to work with, uh, to basically make it so that J could publish straight from GitHub, into Oracle’s content management system, which is abysmal, um, and to create an interface between the two.

[00:10:19] And I wasn’t sure it could be done. And I was a little worried. I kept telling everyone, yep, I got this. You know, let me know when to start. I’m gonna need two weeks. And then my manager was like, all right, you have a one week it go now. And like two days later I had a manic episode, finished the whole project.

[00:10:38] Overnight and like, it worked perfectly, I nailed it. Um, elegant solution, pretty Bulletproof. Um, it ended up being the final straw that got me promoted from technical writer to, uh, principal software developer, which doubles my, [00:11:00] my salary range. Even though it didn’t come with a pay bump yet. Like that’s like in August, we’ll see if we’re actually giving any raises to your team.

[00:11:10] Um, but I, it increased my salary potential significantly. And what I realized and what kind of bums me out is I don’t think I can create, like my, my career is based on things I’ve created. And, and I live to create things. It’s the only time I’m truly happy, um, is when I’m creating. And for me, I think that creation only happens in two circumstances.

[00:11:43] One on, um, pretty hardcore drugs. Like I create great stuff on Coke, like just all my, all my best music and all my best code from like college years was done on Coke and, and speed. [00:12:00] Um, or manic episodes.

[00:12:02] Christina: Which is kind of the same thing. Right? That’s when your body it’s kind of doing the same thing. So I it’s kind of this, like you’re having the same, I guess dopamine, you know, uh, epinephrine, whatever the, the term is response.

[00:12:14] Brett: but drugs and manic episodes shorten my life.

[00:12:18] Christina: Yeah. Right.

[00:12:19] Brett: they are kind of a death sentence. I’m losing years off my life. Every time I have like five days of no sleep and just coding binges and everything. Um, but am I happy when I’m stable? Not really. Like , so I’m at this kind of existential, uh, point in my life crisis point where like, if I wanna enjoy my life and I want to continue creating, I kind of need some, like this last manic episode, like I said, was kind of like manic light, uh, one night of like just crazy creation and [00:13:00] then a week of just kind of being happy and good and sleeping well like that.

[00:13:06] I, that seems more sustainable. I wish I could figure out the formula to make that happen. I have no idea what triggered it.

[00:13:13] Christina: No, I, I was gonna say like, that does seem ideal. I, I will say this and I don’t know if you talked to a therapist or not, or just like a doctor for meds, but something that you might wanna consider talking to a therapist about would be this idea that you don’t think you can create without either of those two things, because I’m not going to disagree and say that you might not be your most productive and might not have those like aha moments where like everything clicks and you can kind of go through, you know, and like really be like, as, as good as, as possible.

[00:13:46] Um, I wish I could look at you straight in the eye as I’m talking to you right now, but I’m my, the way my, my office, which is finally clean by the way is set up right now. I, I, I can’t. Um, but, um, here, but [00:14:00] okay. But I think that like, I used to have this thing. And, and so kind of speaking of my mental health for a little bit, mine has been pretty good, although I’ve had some bad anxiety in the last couple of days, but I also was off of work for a week.

[00:14:15] So after I got back from Tel Aviv, the entire company had the week off, which was awesome wellness week and that was much needed. Um, but I had this thing when, not with, you know, man, except, but with depression where I used to only feel like I could be really creative and could really write well and could really like, produce really good stuff if I were depressed and it would be this thing.

[00:14:41] Yeah. Um, and it was this thing where almost like this emotional, like kind of apex would hit. And I was like, I, I had this same kind of existential crisis. I remember writing about this in my freaking live journal when I was, you know, 17 or 18 years old and being like, you know, the antidepressants, maybe you don’t make me feel as much.

[00:14:59] And then I [00:15:00] can’t create as much. And, and so I’m not wanting to kill myself, but I also don’t know how to create. And I need to have this balance where I have this depression, which I need to be able to fuel my like creativity. Right. Uh, because I would even find times like, like if I would be on my period or other things where I would have like these, these creative verses and I would write really good, you know, stories and really good, you know, essays and, and things, the problem.

[00:15:24] And this is I’m sure, probably a problem for you too, is that yeah. The, the manic stuff and like the Coke and whatnot, you can be really. Um, prolific and you can create really well, but if it is a, a sustained episode or if you’re on a really long vendor, then it goes away. Right. I think that’s important to recognize is that too much?

[00:15:48] It it’s that balance cuz too much absolutely kills it and gets rid of anything. And then you’re on a manic, you know, episode or you’re on a Coke bender and you’re hurting the people around you and you’re not creating. [00:16:00] Right. And, and you’re spending all your money and you’re, you know, like making destructive decisions and you’re hurting your body and you’re hurting the people in your life.

[00:16:07] So don’t know, I pushed back a little bit on the idea that you can’t be creative and that you can’t create without these things happening. I think that there’s probably a way, like, I think it’s probably true that without having one of these episodes or being on some sort of stimulant. That you probably would not be able to have the adrenaline to push through and do what you did in 24 hours.

[00:16:33] I would also say that I don’t know if doing all that work in 24 hours is something that like you should be striving to do. Right. Like I think that I, I, I, just, to be honest with you, I don’t think that that’s something that you should strive to do. I think it’s great that you did it. I’m sure your team is really impressed, but I also feel like having one week to do what sounded like a massive project, a seems sort of, you know, nuts B you know, I [00:17:00] also wanna give you some credit.

[00:17:01] You’d been thinking about this for a long time, so it’s not as if you hadn’t been mentally contemplating and kind of trying to draw out in your head, like what the solutions could be, right. And then you just needed the push, which in this case was probably a combination of the, the, the, the mania and the, the time deadline.

[00:17:18] Brett: Pressure. Yeah.

[00:17:19] Christina: The pressure to, to get there. Right. But you, you had all those components there. So I don’t know. I would push back on the idea that you can’t create without those things. And if you’re not feeling things and if you feel like, okay, I feel fine, but I don’t feel like I’m living. That’s a bigger problem. And I have that problem sometimes too.

[00:17:37] I’ll be honest with you. I think that’s one of the biggest challenges with drugs,

[00:17:40] Brett: stability felt like constant, low grade depression. And for me, depression is not creative. Like I do. I just

[00:17:49] Christina: no, for, for,

[00:17:49] Brett: stare at a

[00:17:50] Christina: well, for, for me, it, it’s not always, there’d be the least pains where I would just feel like these really kind of like deep things and I would be writing. Cause I used to journal all the [00:18:00] time and I would get to these points or if I was writing essays where I could really kind of hone in on something, it would be really good.

[00:18:06] Right. And I, I could really feel, but again, like then the depression would maybe get to a point where, okay, now I can’t get out of bed. So who cares? So. I, you know, I get what you’re saying, cause this is, I think one of the critiques and the challenges that most of us who are on drugs to keep us from killing ourselves or from like spiraling out of control deal with, which is that many of them do dull our census to the point that like, we feel like we’re drones and we don’t feel like we’re doing anything.

[00:18:34] And, and that sucks. I wish that there was a way that you could consistently have, you know, a, you know, every six weeks or so. One of these, you know, periods of time where you could have this, if, if, if, if people could bottle that up and sell it, I think that that would be amazing, but I will say. I will push back on the idea.

[00:18:55] I think that you can create without it, and, and it might be a matter of having to like [00:19:00] reassess and like reframe in your own mind what creation is, because sometimes we set things up. I mean, I know that I did this where I, there was a period of time where I thought the only way I can be creative is if I’m depressed and that isn’t, I don’t feel that way anymore.

[00:19:14] Um, I, I, I, I don’t, but, but it took a long time and frankly, probably a lot of therapy of me and, and like a lot of work like that. I did myself of like mentally kind of thinking about things and having to like readjust and go, no, I can’t have these aspects and these times, and it might not be that spark of that outra of, of, of emotion and, and, you know, frustration and, and sadness.

[00:19:37] Ends up in this art, but it, it, I can still, you know, create it other ways and it can still come out in other venues and maybe, and make it more sustainable. And maybe I don’t feel like, you know, at the end of it, it doesn’t feel like, oh, it’s this, this great thing that I’ve created, but I can do more creative things more consistently.

[00:19:56] Um,

[00:19:57] Brett: I’m interested in microdosing. [00:20:00] Um, I’ve heard for depression and for anxiety and for general productivity, microdosing, LSD can be very effective and a little crypto, and you can have that shit delivered on tiny papers to your door. Um, I was gonna ask, do you think you can microdose cocaine, but then I realized that’s basically what Adderall is.

[00:20:25] Christina: I was gonna say, that’s basically what that is. There’s also, there have been people who’ve been, you know, these have been much more controlled studies, um, for microdosing and, and so I don’t know how possible it is to even get in on these things. But like, my doctor has talked to me about, you know, microdosing ketamine, which it I’m definitely interested

[00:20:42] Brett: yeah. For depression. That’s a, and I think they, I think that’s also been studied for bipolar.

[00:20:47] Christina: right. So I’m definitely interested in, in that. Um, I, I would be interested in microdosing, you know, like, like LSD or other things I don’t know about buying them off of, you know, the dark [00:21:00] web with crypto. And I’ll be honest with you. It’s just because I don’t know, like if you trust, like what’s in it, right?

[00:21:04] Like the, like my, my big

[00:21:07] Brett: I have a friend who does it, who’s found a good vendor. And I think about one out of five times, uh, the shipment gets confiscated. Um, and it, it has no legal repercussion for him, but he loses like a hundred bucks.

[00:21:20] Christina: Right. And, and, and like, and like, that’s fine. And like, that’s fine. I think my bigger thing would be like, is somebody gonna lace it with fentanyl or something? Right. Like, like, like, which is unfortunately not a real, that’s not like a made up concern. Like,

[00:21:35] Brett: L S D I don’t see any reason that they would cut it with. Like if you were buying heroin. Sure. You always run the risk of being cut with fentanyl. But if you’re talking about blotter paper, I just, I

[00:21:47] Christina: I mean, I mean, probably I’m just saying, like, I’m just be, I mean, I might be, you know, a little bit paranoid there, but I just also don’t know what ions and what other things are in, in the drug trade. And, and so, you know, like it would be, [00:22:00] I don’t know, um, that, that feels.

[00:22:03] Brett: I think, I think the only concern with LSD is that you get a bunk batch, uh, like you get ripped off and you get nothing. Um, I don’t see, I, I just do not know of any circumstance where LSD is cut. Uh, I, I don’t even think that’s, that’s possible. It’s possible to cut heroin with things that also give you opiate reactions.

[00:22:25] Christina: Right? No, totally.

[00:22:27] Brett: LSD is kind of its own thing.

[00:22:29] Christina: no, no, 100%. I just, you know, in general, I’m just thinking like, you know, buying any of that stuff. I, I don’t know. You’re probably right. I mean, I, yeah, I don’t think it’s cut with anything and I don’t know how you would know, but it’s also, you know, there, there are, are complications.

[00:22:44] There, there are places states that either of us live in, uh, I think Colorado is doing some of it where they are doing like more, um, you know, like decriminalized, like microdosing, um, things with, you know, um, Sicilian or [00:23:00] however you

[00:23:00] Brett: Yeah,

[00:23:00] Christina: you know, and psilocybin and things like that, where it can be done kind of like in a more controlled, you know, monitored setting.

[00:23:08] Um, that’s interesting to me and I mean, I think that that would be, you know, I, I hope that more of this stuff takes off, especially well, who knows, because on the one hand we do have, you know, rising acceptance of, of marijuana as being legalized and, and at least, you know, um, some of these, these things for medical uses being like, not

[00:23:29] Brett: All, all kinds of all kinds of hallucinogens are being decriminalized for medical use right now.

[00:23:34] Christina: right. Which is great. I’m just saying at the same time, like women don’t have, um, autonomy of their bodies anymore. So, so like, you

[00:23:41] Brett: who knows what happens?

[00:23:43] Christina: So, so yeah, so, so it’s, it’s a weird situation, but I mean, that, that would be definitely something I think, worth looking at. But I would also say, I think with the creative struggle, I think that that.

[00:23:54] I think some of that is a mental blocker and you might wanna wanna like start looking at how, and [00:24:00] like you might even be without, without intentionally doing it, you might be using that as a crutch and you might have a hangup where you’re saying, the only way I can create is if I had, if I’m in this instance and, and that might just not be true.

[00:24:12] Brett: I’m I’m explor. I’m on a waiting list for a new therapist right now, but it’s like a year long waiting list. So I’m exploring other options, but I’ll keep you posted on that. How’s your, uh, how’s your mental health?

[00:24:24] Christina: It’s okay. Like I said, it was really good to travel. Like that was, that did so many good things for my mental health. Like just being around different people and like being out again, like I really, the last two and a half years has been bad on all of us, but like, it’s just it’s sucked. And so it was really, really nice to be like out again and in other cities, because I really enjoy that.

[00:24:48] Um, but yeah, I do have some depression right now for sure. And I’m not really sure. I’m getting emotionally, I’m talking about it. I’m not even sure like how to address [00:25:00] it because I, I do feel like I probably need to complete like med, like kind of rebel

[00:25:06] Brett: And

[00:25:06] Christina: and, um, and that’s gonna take time and that’s even the, even the, the, the thought that like is just overwhelming, but, um, but in brighter news, like my office, it’s not completely clean, but it is in significantly better shape than it’s been in, in, well over a year and a half.

[00:25:25] And, uh, and so that’s really good. And it’s it’s, and it’s done it’s process of getting better and that’s going to help significantly

[00:25:32] Brett: and you have an Amelda Marcos wall behind you. Um,

[00:25:37] Christina: of shoes. Yeah.

[00:25:38] Brett: no, that, so the fact that you are going through what you’re going through right now makes your Tel Aviv schedule even more impressive like that you were able to pull that off while also going through clinical depression. That’s amazing.

[00:25:53] Christina: Yeah, well, I mean, that helps with the clinical depression to be completely honest. Um, well, it’s, it is this, and it’s this weird thing because, um, you know, [00:26:00] they, they call it, I think like exposure therapy or something where like, you have to do things when you don’t feel like you need to do them. And in that case, like I was in, um, you know, Copenhagen and that was amazing.

[00:26:13] I was with people and then I was in Tel Aviv and there is a certain sense to this. And I think that this is maybe how I’ve dealt with a lot of things over the years is just by being so busy that you can’t even think about how you’re feeling,

[00:26:28] Brett: Yeah.

[00:26:29] Christina: um, which may or may not be healthy. It’s probably not the healthiest, but it’s also to

[00:26:34] Brett: like in

[00:26:35] Christina: but to be candid is

[00:26:36] Brett: it’s like clinical, like if you actually had, if you were grieving something and you had like feelings you really needed to process, then sure. It would be unhealthy to distract yourself. But when you’re dealing with like a chemical imbalance, I don’t, I don’t think it’s terribly unhealthy to find workarounds like that.

[00:26:56] Yeah.

[00:26:56] Christina: No, I don’t either. Like, that’s what I’m saying. Like I’m saying, I’m sure that there might be [00:27:00] people who would disagree with that. But no, for me, I actually do think that the best course of action on that is just to be busy and to be consumed by things. I think that’s historically actually, why I’ve been a workaholic is, is not so much that I’m like so driven by ambition.

[00:27:17] Although I am ambitious. It’s it’s, it’s been more about the more downtime I have the more time I can, you know, like have to actually feel like the depression, which is hard.

[00:27:29] Brett: Yeah. All right. Well, would you like to do the Zocdoc read or

[00:27:37] Christina: Yeah. I was gonna say, no, I can do the, the Z doc read. And like, I like actually I think, um, that’s a, uh, a good segue here.

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[00:32:19] Like I, but I love that idea of using it almost as a pace bin, you know, for like your knowledge base of stuff. That’s really smart.

[00:32:27] Let’s Talk Mackstock

[00:32:27] Brett: Um, so max stock is next weekend. Um, I, I, I told Aaron that I would give you shit for, for missing this one. After you said you might come.

[00:32:40] Christina: I know. I’m

[00:32:41] Brett: We are very forgiven, given your, your new gig, all your travel, all of that. It’s understandable. Uh, we do hope all of us at max stock hope that you make it next year.

[00:32:53] Um,

[00:32:54] Christina: I, I will, I. I will keep, I will make a commitment right here right now that I will be at the next one. Like [00:33:00] we will, as soon as it’s available, I will submit a paper and I will be there whether I speak or not. And I will buy tickets as soon as they’re available. So I’m there next year. This year just didn’t work out because of, yeah, just all the travel and the new job and the other commitments, just, it didn’t work out, but I will, I will definitely be there next year, but Erin is, is giving a talk, right?

[00:33:20] Brett: yeah. Yeah. Aaron, Aaron ha there’s only six speakers total this year. It’s a pretty small year this year, which is why like, I mean, it’s like Mac world where the talks are. Okay. But you really go

[00:33:35] Christina: You’re going for the 100%.

[00:33:37] Brett: And it’s, it’s lower attendance this year, which I’m, I’m hoping, uh, I’m still hoping to see a bunch of people that I only get to see once a year.

[00:33:46] Um, but I’m hoping that next year things get back up to the numbers that it was at. Um, but anyway, Erin is one of six speakers this year and she is giving a talk on how to, how a non-musician can. [00:34:00] Like a soundtrack for a video using logic or garage band, um, and like giving you the, the basic tools to make something that sounds good custom, that YouTube will never ding you for copyright infringement on.

[00:34:17] Um, cuz she, she went to school for music. She is, she is a musician. Um, her day job is technical writer, but she is, you know, using logic every day and uh, both Ellen and I are very excited to see this because Elda social media for the business she works at, um, and finding, uh, royalty free when you wanna publish a clip.

[00:34:41] Christina: Oh, it’s a nightmare.

[00:34:43] Brett: Yeah, no, but we’re both excited to, uh, to, to, to hear this talk from Aaron, uh, Jay Miller, he’s also giving a talk this

[00:34:50] Christina: Yeah. I know Jay. Hm.

[00:34:52] Brett: And then a couple of, a couple of presenters dropped out. Uh, Mike says with very legitimate reasons, uh, [00:35:00] he’s not upset about it, but like I had, my big thing was this year, I’m not gonna speak, I’ve spoken for the last four or five years.

[00:35:08] And this year I was just gonna go and be social and have fun. Uh, but then these speakers dropped out and I got an email from Mike titled. I hate to ask, but, um, and this is, this is like yesterday, like with a week to go. So I was like, I can’t, I can’t prep, uh, 60 minutes worth of presentation in a week. I’m sorry.

[00:35:30] It’s it’s my vacation. But what I will do is a panel. Um, and I, at first I was like, oh, me and Jay could do like an, an automators AMA. Like ask me, ask me anything about like Mac automation or iOS automation. But what we ended up deciding on was I will do a panel at the end of each day with the three presenters from that day.

[00:35:55] And we will do like an extended Q and a, and, and [00:36:00] conversation with the we presenters. We’re gonna call it maybe after stock hosted by Brett Terpstra.

[00:36:07] Christina: Oh, I love that. See, that’s really good. No, I think that’ll be

[00:36:10] Brett: that was, that was Aaron’s idea for the name. Mine was taking stock, but after stock is definitely catchier.

[00:36:17] Christina: I think after stock is really good and it, it, it’s kind of a, a that it works on a couple levels. That’s really creative. Well done. Erin also, I hope that, um, her, um, talk will be online somewhere because I definitely need that. Um, because I run at this problem all the time where I’m needing to use royalty free music.

[00:36:34] And what happens is that even when you have the license to use it royalty free, Fuckers will claim that shit on YouTube and then you have to go through no, no, but it’s, it’s annoying. Cause this has happened on like actual, like, like keynote videos that like Microsoft has done where like we own the music and like it is Realty free, but like

[00:36:54] Brett: I’ve heard, I’ve heard that, that happening. Two musicians who

[00:36:58] Christina: that. Exactly. Oh [00:37:00] totally. And then, and then you have to submit, you know, all kinds of like forms to YouTube, proving that you, you know, own the license to it and this and that. And, and I can’t even imagine if you’re the author of the music. I’ve heard that, that happening to them too. And it’s like, are, are you fucking kidding me?

[00:37:12] But because, because people will, will do this stuff and then they’ll wanna get, you know, all of the, um, the ad revenue. And like in the Microsoft’s case, it’s even more annoying because we’re not, we don’t put ads on our videos. So the, you would’ve two options, one monetize the video and all the money then goes.

[00:37:30] To these, these assholes who are completely illegally claiming things, or two, you have to like sub out just like, you know, mute, mute where the, the 15 seconds or wherever it is, where the music is playing, but, you know, but, but that can be frustrating. So I think that you can, it’s definitely easier to get around this, if you can create something original and I don’t know where to even start with that.

[00:37:53] So I’m definitely would wanna watch

[00:37:55] Brett: bit of basic music composition. Foundations, like just [00:38:00] the basics. You can take royalty free loops that come with like logic and garage band and you can customize them into something that people haven’t heard before. Uh, cuz we’ve all heard the garage band loops, you know, too many times.

[00:38:15] And they’re the like IMO of like iMovie

[00:38:18] Christina: Yeah. Do do do. Yeah, exactly. Like, like we all, we all know what they sound like.

[00:38:23] Brett: just a little bit of built using the built in tools and effects and like keyboard. Like yeah. I’m excited to see how Erin, how Erin breaks this down. Plus she’s really funny. She’s a great presenter. I think

[00:38:36] Good Managerial Skills Are Important In Life

[00:38:36] Christina: no, this is gonna be awesome. And, um, also just to go back to you a second, like you got promoted, which is massive and I’m super excited for you. And I mean, for, for people who are listening, who aren’t in, like the, the software field going from like senior to principal is a really big band jump.

[00:38:52] Um, and, and that’s like a, especially since also, I think you’ve changed specialties even like in terms of like job description. So this is [00:39:00] really major and like, you deserve major kudos for this. And if, and if they don’t come through on like the salary, um, The fact that you have principal software engineer on your resume is going to open up so many doors.

[00:39:16] So I really hope that they come through, but if they don’t, then this has just made you who are, is already enormously valuable, like even more so. And I know that I, I think you’ve had some, not imposter syndrome, but maybe like lack of self-esteem around some of your abilities for the last couple of years, because you’ve been out of like the traditional workforce for a while.

[00:39:36] Cuz you’ve been doing your own thing. I hope that this helps reaffirm to you that you’re as amazing as we always tell you are because now like, you know, like one of the biggest software companies in the world has given you a promotion. Of significant value. Like, I don’t know what the, what the promo process is at Oracle, but I was trying to get principal for years at Microsoft.

[00:39:57] Didn’t get it. I will hopefully be getting [00:40:00] the at, at, at, um, we call it staff at GitHub. That’ll hopefully be coming, you know, sooner rather than later. But, but like the, the promo process was this long, like drawn out thing that had to have all kinds of, you know, like people writing things up and, and packets and discussion and all kinds of stuff.

[00:40:20] And it’s just very involved and also very political. So the fact that you got it in a year is, uh, and I don’t know what you had to do to go through to get that, but I’m very proud of you.

[00:40:30] Brett: I have a manager who really looks out for me. Like I think we, I think I’ve talked about it. Like we’ve never clicked on a personal level. Uh, not the way I did with some of my previous managers and just like being able to shoot the shit and, and have great one-on-one meetings and everything. But this guy, Manish, he looks out for me.

[00:40:49] He like, as soon as he saw that my responsibilities had expanded and that I was doing more software development and I was managing the GitHub organization for the team [00:41:00] and like doing stuff way beyond the scope of technical writer, like he immediately started putting in paperwork to find an appropriate job wreck for me and, and push that through.

[00:41:13] And I didn’t have to do anything. . Uh, and if I, if like the day after I had my manic episode, I let him know that I had gotten no sleep, but I had finished this thing. He went ahead and rescheduled all of my meetings for the day. And like, just like gave me the day off basically, uh, just to cover my ass and like, he’s a good guy.

[00:41:34] He’s a really

[00:41:34] Christina: a great guy. No, he sounds like he’s a fantastic manager. Like, it sounds like he’s actually like exactly what you want out of a manager,

[00:41:40] Brett: Yeah. Well,

[00:41:41] Christina: not really somebody to be your friend. Right? You want them to watch out for you and to do these things and to, and to, you know, advocate for you.

[00:41:48] Brett: I saw a Twitter thread that was directed towards managers, like 10 things, a manager shouldn’t do. And I was reading through it and I’m like, yeah, Manish, Manish. Like he doesn’t do any [00:42:00] of these things. And he, he does all the dos and he doesn’t do the don’ts and yeah, he nails it.

[00:42:05] He’s

[00:42:05] A Little Trauma

[00:42:05] Brett: good. Um, I, I wanted to space this story away from our sponsor reads a little bit, but I have to tell you a very. Traumatic story. Um, this happened to me a couple weeks ago now, but we were on break and I didn’t get to say it, say it while it was fresh, but so I’m driving down the highway and it’s busy and all of a sudden everything slows down.

[00:42:31] And I see that there are two doughs, um, doing their, like confused, like how do I get off the highway thing? And one of them has just been clipped, uh, both of its back legs broken. Um, and so traffic is, they’re like driving around it as it’s like dragging itself across the highway. So three of us, uh, me, a martial arts [00:43:00] instructor and the like Nigerian college student who had clipped it.

[00:43:06] I’ll pulled over to the side of the road and, and we stop traffic and we drag this deer off into the ditch on the side of the road and it’s up against the lake. So there’s tall grass and everything. And, uh, we immediately call in to try to get the DNR to come out, cuz this, this steer has no chance. Um, it’s not gonna survive.

[00:43:26] Um, and, uh, the martial arts instructor, I’m like, I got this we’ll we’ll hang out. And so I hang out with the kid, um, and we wait for. Almost half an hour with no sign of anyone coming. Meanwhile, the deer is wild-eyed and, and doing like guttural moans and trying to drag itself deeper into the grass. And I couldn’t, I couldn’t take it.

[00:43:52] And, um, by that was his name, we agreed, uh, we had to do something [00:44:00] and I’m a vegetarian, I have no interest in killing a living creature. Um, but we decided it was the right thing to do. And so I, I gave him my, my, my five inch pocket knife. Um, and I held the deer’s front legs down. I gotta say, we realized in the process that it was pregnant, which made this even worse for me.

[00:44:30] Um, and, and he slid its throat and I’ve never done this before. I didn’t realize it takes like 10 minutes for a deer to bleed out when you, when you slice its jugular. Um, and I tried to explain this and how traumatic it was for me to my brother. Um, and I used the words, it was fucking traumatic, and I forgot how religious my brother is and how uncomfortable the word fuck would make him.

[00:44:55] And he seemed to focus on that. But then he he’s like, yeah, [00:45:00] no, I went hunting for the first time last year. I’m like, you, you did that on purpose. So you don’t understand, don’t understand where I’m coming from with this. Um, like you made a choice to do that to something, but that was, I, I, I kept my cool through it.

[00:45:17] Uh, like that kid was just as scared, uh, and just as fucked up about it as I was. And, and we kind of had this bonding moment over as I handed him a rag to clean up all the blood. Um,

[00:45:31] Christina: Yeah. I mean, and did, did, did DNR, did they ever show

[00:45:34] Brett: I don’t know. We, we waited until the deer had taken its left breath and we left it. We pulled it back up to the side of the road where they could find it. Um, and then we went home and I just, I, when I told Elle what had happened, I just broke down just shaking and crying. That was, that was so hard. I, I really hope I never have to [00:46:00] do that again.

[00:46:00] It’s hard enough putting animals down humanely like pets, uh, you know, when you can do a comfort hold and you can watch them peacefully go, but basically having to murder a sentient creature is definitely not on my list of experiences. I wanna repeat ever,

[00:46:19] Christina: No. I mean, I’m so glad that both of you were there and that you could at least be there humanely, like the, the only, I mean, look, you did the right thing because you don’t know how long it was gonna be for anybody to show up. And, and if they would’ve known the right process to maybe be able to expedite what the process would be like, cuz it’s possible.

[00:46:38] Maybe there would be a way to make it bleed out fast. I don’t know. I, I

[00:46:41] Brett: a gun, a gun or a hammer would’ve made the process a lot shorter for the deer, but we had neither.

[00:46:49] Christina: Right. And, but what I mean, though, is that like the, the, the death was gonna be inevitable. And so you have to like, kind of like balance, like, you know, you’re watching this creature suffer, you know, it’s, it’s, it’s [00:47:00] got like two broken legs. It’s not going to be okay. Like it’s and it’s in, it’s in pain and it’s suffering and you, you did the right thing.

[00:47:06] Well, what a terrible situation to be in. I’m so sorry. I, I can’t even imagine. And also you don’t have to be mad at him because he’s your brother, but I can cuz I will never meet him, but fuck your brother, man. Like to like focus on, on like the, the adjective, you know, to like, to like, or adver or whatever, you know, to, to focus on that rather than the fact that you’ve had to, you know, put down a, a living creature and then to, and then to have the Tim to like compare it to hunting, which as you said, that’s his choice also.

[00:47:39] Less because it’s a gun, you know, hopefully less traumatic, you know, like just

[00:47:44] Brett: I’m pretty down on my whole family right now, my brother is visiting and he do, he brought his three kids and his sister-in-law’s three kids cuz they had a whole marriage problem and she dumped. So I had six [00:48:00] kids under 10 years old and I was supposed to like visit and hang out with them and like it’s, they’re so religious and it, it was, it’s just, I can’t, I can’t handle my family.

[00:48:13] I don’t like my family. I want a new

[00:48:19] Christina: we all feel that way sometimes, but yeah.

[00:48:22] Brett: I feel that way all the time now. I mean, so like breakfast with my parents, I’ve realized like we can talk about technology and how amazing like computers are these days. But we can’t talk about like once you get into biology, Or, or any kind of medical science you have to accept evolution. Like that’s a, that’s a prerequisite for all modern, um, biological sciences and,

[00:48:54] Christina: I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, it is for technology too. Technology literally evolves, but, but yeah,[00:49:00]

[00:49:00] Brett: but, but you can, you can, you can skirt around things like that. Um, when you’re just talking about computers, but we can’t, there’s so many things I can’t talk about with my family, cuz we just are always on that precipice of talking about things like evolution and atheism and theism and burning in hell and uh, anyway.

[00:49:25] Maverick Schmaverick

[00:49:25] Brett: Um, should we, should we do some gratitude? We have, we have such great movies to talk about, but I think we’ll save them. Maybe Jeff will have input.

[00:49:34] Christina: Yeah, definitely. I will say this though. Like, I don’t know if you’re gonna have an opportunity to see top gun, but please go see top

[00:49:40] Brett: Is it still in theaters?

[00:49:42] Christina: It’s still in theaters. I think

[00:49:43] Brett: All right. I might, I I’ve heard nothing but rave reviews people. I wouldn’t expect to be into a movie like top gun or like, holy shit. You gotta see top gun.

[00:49:53] Christina: no, I, I, I I’ve been, I’ve seen it. I’ve seen it twice now. I’d like to see it a third time. It’s it’s [00:50:00] the it’s it reminds me of why I love movies. It’s it’s as simple as that. It’s as simple as that. It’s as simple as that, it, it reminds me of why I love the movies, especially if you can see it in a theater, because it really is one of those great theatrical experiences that like, I don’t give a shit how crazy Tom cruise is.

[00:50:19] And I don’t give a shit if people are thinking this is some sort of propaganda for the government, it’s really not like the, the, the, you know, military aspect is actually toned down significantly from the original. I don’t give a fuck. Like, it’s a great ass movie. That just, it, it is why movies are such a special medium that’s that’s my pitch.

[00:50:38] So, yeah.

[00:50:40] Brett: right. I maybe we’ll see, like, I will definitely watch it as a rental at home, but, uh, but right now I think I would have to go to a theater if I wanted to see it. We’ll

[00:50:52] Christina: Yeah, I think so. And, and like I said, it, it, I think it’s, it’s really great in the theater. And at this point, I don’t think that theaters would be super busy. So you could probably [00:51:00] feel safer in that regard.

[00:51:01] Brett: it’s a motivation thing. I feel safe enough. Our, our community spirit, we’re in the green here right now. Um, and our theaters are never packed here. Like it’s not a safety concern. It’s a, do I really wanna, I, I like watching movies at home where I can hit pause, go to the bathroom, get a drink. um, and I can drink all the, all the beverage I want without having to worry that I’m gonna miss part of the movie when I have to pee.

[00:51:28] Christina: right. No, I mean, fair enough. I’m just saying like that the, the,

[00:51:31] Brett: and I can control the volume.

[00:51:33] Christina: short, I’m just saying the sound and, and the visual experience for this film is really spectacular because they are not using CGI.

[00:51:42] Brett: dune. I wish I had gone to see dune in the theater that that would be worth it to me,

[00:51:47] Christina: And like, I will say just before we go into our gratitude, like, everybody’s talked about this at nausea, but it is worth saying like the fact that this is not a. CGI different things that they’re actually in planes, they’re actually doing these stunts that it’s [00:52:00] actually the real skyline behind you, that they’re in actual, you know what I mean?

[00:52:04] Like that does change the whole concept. Like it, it, it, it makes it, it grounds it in a reality, even though it’s completely a fantasy, right. It grounds it in a reality in a way that, that you just, you cannot recreate that with technology. Like we, we talk, I love technology and, and, you know, visual effects have done so much for, you know, this for film, but there is a difference.

[00:52:29] It’s not a video game. It is, you know, a, a, a different type of art form. Um, it’s better than it has any right to be. It’s one of those films where I was. You know, I went into it, excited about it, but also kind of like, there’s no way it’s gonna be that good because the reviews had just been incredible. And I saw it like it’s first weekend.

[00:52:48] I also saw it in, um, San Diego, which was cool to see, um, because that’s where it takes place. And, uh, so the hometown crowd was very excited, but yeah, it’s, [00:53:00] it’s one of those films that as many other people have written about is it’s like, this is why the movies are the movies. So if you have a chance to see it in theaters, definitely do that.

[00:53:09] It’s, it’ll be great at home too. But if you have a chance to see it in theaters, definitely do that.

[00:53:15] Brett: All

[00:53:15] Grapptitude

[00:53:15] Christina: All right. Gratitude.

[00:53:16] Brett: posted. Yeah. Do you want, do you have, do you have one

[00:53:19] Christina: I do have one. Yes. All. So this is called virtual buddy, and this is from, uh, GME Rambo, um, uh, underscore inside on Twitter and it is on GitHub and it is fantastic. So, uh, GME, uh, is, uh, responsible for everybody and a number of other, um, Kind of a, like macapp, he’s, um, a prolific, uh, Mac OS iOS kind of hacker, where he finds a lot of hidden things and apples APIs and finds hidden, you know, versions and, and stuff, you know, hidden around in, uh, in their stuff.

[00:53:54] He’s fantastic. But virtual buddy, this is for apple Silicon. It is amazing. It basically [00:54:00] lets you virtualize Mac O S 12 or later on apple Silicon in a really easy way. So rather than having to deal with some of the stuff with, with parallels, um, or anything else like it’s using, you know, like the, the, um, I guess virtual kit or hyper kit or whatever hypervisor, kit, whatever it’s called in, um, Mac O S um, and it is great cuz I, this is what, what I’m using to play around with, um, the latest versions of Ventura.

[00:54:24] because I don’t wanna deal with creating APS containers and trying to boot into external drives and whatnot, cuz it’s a pain in the ass. It is. And, and, and this makes it much easier already. Right now I will put the, uh, GitHub link in, um, our show notes, but already it has the ability to boot into, uh, any version of Mac S 12 or Mac S 13, including betas.

[00:54:47] There’s a built-in install wizard. You can select from a collection of restore images that are on apple servers, but you can also load a local restore image. I P S w or you can like point it to a custom restore image. [00:55:00] You can boot into recovery mode. Um, in order to disable S I P for instance, there’s networking and file share support.

[00:55:07] He has clipboard sharing, um, without the need to be running Ventura, uh, that’s an experimental right now, but it’s there. And then on his to-do list is things like editing in VRAM variables and customizing the virtual machine, um, config. So right now, um, It it’s, it’s really, really good. And it’s, it’s OSS.

[00:55:27] Like I just, I can’t say enough good things about it. And, and I, um, I feel a little guilty cuz I also chose this as, uh, a story that I covered on the download this week, but frankly, it’s so good. Like I want more people to be aware of it. And I think for our audience of listeners, this is definitely one of those apps that is great.

[00:55:44] It is apple Silicon only. So if you’re still in an Intel Mac, you’re gonna have to continue doing things the hard way. Um, so on my iMac, I have to do it the hard way, but it’s, it’s really, really great. And I, uh, huge, huge fan.[00:56:00]

[00:56:00] Brett: Perfect. I wish there was a, a way to virtualize older OSS

[00:56:05] Christina: I know, I know.

[00:56:07] Brett: is not

[00:56:08] Christina: There’s not, I mean that, I think someone will figure something out. It’ll have to be running through, you know, like chemo or, or, or something like that. Um, and someone will figure it out, but that, that is definitely a difficulty, uh, on another episode, at some point, we’ll have to talk about some of my adventures of doing various, um, retro gaming stuff on my steam deck.

[00:56:29] Brett: nice. Cool.

[00:56:31] Christina: What about you?

[00:56:32] Brett: All right. So we’ve covered better touch tool before, but, uh, but Andreas just released, uh, better touch tool with stream deck support,

[00:56:42] Christina: Nice.

[00:56:42] Brett: which he has been teasing for ever now. And I have been excitedly waiting and it’s out now and I’ve revamped my whole stream deck to use better touch tool widgets.

[00:56:56] Um, it gives you like full two-way [00:57:00] integration and makes your stream deck fully scriptable. So you can have like anything on your computer can now like trigger different groups and, and buttons on your stream deck and your, and your buttons can show like status. Like I have a whole page of like bunch buttons and they light up green when that bunch is active and, um, Uh, and I, I had this script called BTT stats that, uh, I originally built when I was doing all those touch bar experiments.

[00:57:30] And it can add buttons to your touch bar and then function as the status script for that button. Um, I updated it to work with, uh, stream deck buttons. So now, now you can add widgets to your stream deck and Andreas already released, uh, a CPU. Usage widget and a now playing widget and a weather widget that are ready to go without any of my scripting.

[00:57:56] Um, it is it’s, it’s super [00:58:00] fun. It’s fantastic. Uh, you have the option to run it as a plugin, so you can drag like a stream deck button into, uh, uh, better touch to a, a better touch tool button in the stream deck software, and then assign it to like a specific, uh, widget or, uh, better touch tool can completely take over control of your stream deck.

[00:58:22] And, and it’s like the beauty of the stream deck software is the drag and drop in being able to just like modify a button visually. Uh, you can’t do, you can’t do that with better touch tool. Uh, you have to kind of put things in the right order and then expect them to display properly. It’s it’s entirely workable and way more powerful.

[00:58:47] Uh, but it does take a little extra fiddling. Um, totally fun though. Both of those will be linked in the show notes along with virtual buddy and yeah, I, I think we saved the rest of [00:59:00] these topics. We we’ve had, we we’ve covered mental health and jobs and max stock and mercy killing and top gun. It’s been a, this, this has been a roller Coover episode.

[00:59:14] Welcome back.

[00:59:15] Christina: Thank you very much, um, glad to be back and I’m gonna be even more excited when Jeff is with us in the next episode.

[00:59:21] Brett: We gotta schedule that recording.

[00:59:23] Christina: Definitely.

[00:59:24] Brett: I’m off for the next two weeks. Other

[00:59:26] Christina: Yay.

[00:59:27] Brett: gone next weekend for max stock, we we’ll figure it out.

[00:59:30] Christina: That’s so exciting. Enjoy your vacation. Congrats on the promo. Um, and, um, uh, my condolences for what you had to deal with with, um, the, um, with the deer. But, um, I’m also glad that, uh, you were able to talk about that and, uh, uh, yeah.

[00:59:45] Brett: Yeah. All right. Well, Christina, get some sleep.

[00:59:48] Christina: Get some sleep rep.