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Overtired 265

[00:00:00] Christina: You’re listening to overtired, I’m Christina Warren back and here as always with Mr. Brett sharp strap. Brett, how are you?

[00:00:11] Brett: I am swell. When you did the countdown, before we started recording,

[00:00:15] there was this long pause between two and one. Was that

[00:00:20] Christina: I, that was just my, I have no idea.

[00:00:23] Brett: It really threw me off. Like I had like the beat going 3, 2, 1.

[00:00:31] Christina: it

[00:00:31] Brett: how countdowns work.

[00:00:32] Christina: that isn’t how countdowns work.

[00:00:34] but it wasn’t that long of a pause. It was probably longer than it should’ve been, but it wasn’t that long of a pot. Come on.

[00:00:39] Brett: Oh, so yeah, like you, you told me last week you needed, you needed you hadn’t stuff to do. And so I thought,

[00:00:47] Christina: I had emotional trauma. So, sorry, go on.

[00:00:50] Brett: we can, let’s talk about that in a second.

[00:00:52] Christina: yeah, we will talk about that in a second, but yes, please, please tell me about, uh,

[00:00:55] Brett: I thought, I thought we have three sponsors. We gotta, we gotta have a show. So I [00:01:00] brought in, I brought in Victor and Aaron, and then as we’re getting ready to record and I’m throwing the notes together, I realized that I had read the calendar wrong and they didn’t sell any sponsors on Thanksgiving.

[00:01:13] So we did a show. We just made up our own sponsors. Uh, we did the show anyway, like troopers and, uh, and, and threw in some, some fake sponsors for good measure. I feel like, I feel like we did justice. I think we kept the show going in your house.

[00:01:31] Christina: Well, I appreciate that very much. And thank, uh, both of both Aaron and Victor for, for, um, going in for me, especially when it turned out, I could have just had the week off,

[00:01:40] Brett: All right.

[00:01:41] Christina: um, which that’s depressing. Um, but that’s awesome. And that’s cool that like, you know, since we all work together, um, is Aaron back from leave yet?

[00:01:49] Or is she still on leave? Okay, great.

[00:01:51] Brett: whole team’s back together again.

[00:01:54] Christina: Uh, well, in my defense, yeah, I had, I said, I think you’d have families for whatever. No, I had like emotional trauma [00:02:00] last week. I’m not even going to get a lie. We should just get straight into Brett’s mental health corner. Cause I wanna know how you’re doing.

[00:02:05] Brett: It sounds like it could be just mental health corner this week.

[00:02:09] Christina: It definitely is. It’s just, you know, the title of the segment is breast mental health border. And that doesn’t change even though it’s above what the bus. Um, okay. So last week was the first time now almost two weeks ago. Um, cause I, I like left on a Monday. I came back on a Sunday, so I was there for a long time.

[00:02:28] I was in Atlanta for Thanksgiving and almost people are like, okay, well most people go home for Thanksgiving. Well, I haven’t gone home for Thanksgiving. And since 2011 and my, my mom hasn’t hosted Thanksgiving since 2011. And she used to always historically be the person who always host it. Um, but in 2011, um, on, uh, three days after Thanksgiving, uh, my aunt and uncle who were not with us that year, they were with, um, uh, my, my uncles.

[00:02:57] Um, in Florida, they [00:03:00] were, um, in a car accident and, um, and died, um, three days after Thanksgiving, 2011. And, um, his sister and nephew were in the back seat. They fortunately survived. Although his sister had, Um,

[00:03:14] some significant injuries and, um, uh, her son, you know, he, he was out of all of them, like the, the best off, but, you know, had like emotional trauma, the whole thing, of

[00:03:24] Brett: Um,

[00:03:24] Christina: Um, but, but they died in a pretty terrible car accident. And my mom and her sister were incredibly close and it has, um, I’m getting emotional, I’m talking about it, but it ruined, I mean, I never liked Thanksgiving as a holiday anyway, but like it ruined it for our family. Like it just, you know, it was one of those things.

[00:03:42] It was like, we can’t do this anymore because it, they are inexplicably, like not inexplicably, um, entrance inextricably. Yeah. They’re inextricably.

[00:03:53] like tied together. So it was. It was a lot. Um, my, my mom’s, um, [00:04:00] rather, and his wife, um, and one of their kids in, in, in his family came and we had a family friend there and, and her daughter, um, and so, um, my nephew is six, so he wasn’t, uh, the baby was sick.

[00:04:15] So my sister and the baby weren’t able to be there, but it was, it was nice, but it was, it was emotionally just like, like I said, like, I’m, I’m getting teary, you’ve been talking about it, but it was, it was a lot. So it was one of those things where, you know, you go on vacation. I took a bunch of time off work, took like three days or whatever, which for me is a lot.

[00:04:38] And, you know, I came back and I had to take like a mental health day on Monday because I was just like, I have emotional trauma from my vacation because it was just a lot.

[00:04:50] Brett: Yeah, damn. Yeah. I, I do not have any family holidays marred by tragedy yet. [00:05:00] So.

[00:05:00] Christina: I’m very, I’m very glad. Yeah, because it’s a weird thing too, because you know, like it’s moments like frozen in time and like, you don’t even remember God, it was just terrible. Um, they didn’t have any kids. And, um, I got the call. I had just gotten back to New York and I got the call from my mom and she was beyond her, you know, she was beside herself obviously.

[00:05:26] And then I was freaking out, I didn’t know what to do. And I I’m really calling one of my bosses and getting on a flight at six o’clock in the morning, the next day to fly to Atlanta. And then me and my mom and, um, my uncle. And I think grant was with us. I can’t remember now. Uh, we all drove in one day to Jacksonville and back to get some of their documents because they live in Jacksonville. So.

[00:05:51] we drove from Atlanta to Jacksonville and back in the same day, which is a long drive and had to open up their house [00:06:00] and, you know, try to try to find, you know, some other documents that’s about to hack their Wi-Fi and walking into someone’s house where you see things that have been left very clearly.

[00:06:13] They were expecting to come

[00:06:14] Brett: Well, sure. Yeah.

[00:06:15] Christina: You know what I mean? Like it’s just

[00:06:19] Brett: That’s haunting and traumatic for sure.

[00:06:22] Christina: so, yeah. So anyway, so that the holiday, which again, I never really liked, but you know, because of that, it was always like, okay, well, After that. I think we mostly went to restaurants. I think we went to Grant’s mom’s house a couple of times, but for the most part, it was, you know, we would go to restaurants in New York, which to me is superior anyway, but it was important for me to be there for my mom.

[00:06:42] Um, and it was important for her to like host again, I don’t know if she’ll be hosting any more in the future, but it was, it was important for her to be able to do that. so

[00:06:52] Brett: Well, I am so glad we didn’t say anything denigrating about you last week, because that would have just been in horribly poor [00:07:00] taste.

[00:07:00] Christina: well, if you did that’s okay.

[00:07:02] Brett: We didn’t, we really didn’t. We, we, we honored your absence and then proceeded to talk about work and careers and being thin skinned and gold bond and aggressive masturbation.

[00:07:15] And we just covered the gamut.

[00:07:17] Christina: Amazing. I love it. Okay. So how’s your mental health doing? Cause I just

[00:07:21] Brett: Um, no, you’re

[00:07:23] Christina: a lot. Sorry, pod.

[00:07:24] Brett: I am, I am like, I think stable, like my swings have been so mild lately that I almost can’t tell if I’m upper down or stable right now. And I think, I think right now I’m stable. I think, uh, I think I got I got away with like a long, very slightly manic phase for like two weeks without like any major follow-up depression, fingers crossed,

[00:07:52] Christina: That’s awesome.

[00:07:53] Brett: I have

[00:07:54] Christina: Fingers crossed indeed,

[00:07:55] Brett: I have a psych appointment on Monday.

[00:07:56] I have to go into the office for the first time in over a [00:08:00] year, which is fine, except for they take my blood pressure and that I, if my blood pressure is too high, they will cut my stimulants. So

[00:08:12] that makes getting my blood pressure, something that raises my blood

[00:08:16] Christina: I was going to say like, so it’s a catch 22.

[00:08:20] Brett: really is. Um, and like, I see, I see a primary doctor I’m on blood pressure medication.

[00:08:26] Everything is as far as he’s concerned under control,

[00:08:30] like my, my blood pressure is always a little bit high. Uh, at least when I’m on the stimulants, but within

[00:08:38] what yeah. What he considers to be safe, uh, for me, but numerically it’s high,

[00:08:47] Christina: And, and so, so

[00:08:48] people do that. Yeah. I, I don’t have it with blood pressure, but I have it with heart rate,

[00:08:52] Brett: right. Because you always have super low blood pressure.

[00:08:55] Christina: Yes. So, but, but so, but I have it with heart rate where my [00:09:00] heart rate is, is naturally elevated. And I think even without a stimulant, it’s elevated, but definitely with a

[00:09:05] Brett: like a hummingbird.

[00:09:07] Christina: basically.

[00:09:08] But with the stimulants definitely is. And it’s one of those things where people freak. Doctors freak out about it. I’m like, okay, but I’m fine. Like, and look, there was a time and I had to wear the heart monitor and shit where my resting heart rate was like one 60. And we went to the emergency room, um, because that’s not normal.

[00:09:27] And my apple watch was the thing that actually alerted me of that. But in general, Yeah, it’s, it’s, it’s fast, but it’s not anything ridiculous. But I have the same thing where doctors who like don’t know me, like immediately go to like, oh, well you need to go off your simulates. And I’m like, you need to go fuck yourself.

[00:09:45] Brett: right. Well, I feel like my current doctor understands that my entire life. As it is now could not exist if I did, if I do not treat my ADHD. And, uh, and I, while [00:10:00] she is, you know, cautious as a medical professional, who is responsible for my life, uh, she has to take some precautions, but I think she’ll work with me on whatever needs to happen.

[00:10:12] So all in all I’m I’m I’m doing okay. Um, yeah. You know what I realized about this podcast,

[00:10:20] we have two ADHD people with, uh, with bad memories and we probably tell the same story a lot, but I think that our, our audience is by and large,

[00:10:32] uh, may, may suffer from the same memory deficit. So maybe it doesn’t matter.

[00:10:39] Maybe we could just do the same episode every week.

[00:10:43] Christina: oh, okay. That would

[00:10:44] Brett: And it could just be like

[00:10:44] Frazier for appeal. It could be like their comfort show. They kind of

[00:10:47] know what they’re getting into. They know what to expect.

[00:10:50] Christina: And it could be like Groundhog day in that it’s always a little bit different. Like you try to alter things Just enough.

[00:10:57] Brett: Yeah.

[00:10:59] Christina: I would be down with [00:11:00] that.

[00:11:00] Brett: to see if we can just change one little thing. That’ll get us out of the loop.

[00:11:03] Christina: Yeah, exactly. One little thing.

[00:11:06] Brett: you see Palm Springs?

[00:11:08] Christina: Um, was that the one with uh, Andy. Yes, I did.

[00:11:13] Brett: That was good

[00:11:14] Christina: That was really

[00:11:15] Brett: for, uh, for like, for a Hulu released movie.

[00:11:18] Christina: Well, it Was supposed to be in theaters, I think. Um, and then, yeah, it?

[00:11:22] came out at the very beginning of the, of the, um, um, pandemic and, um, Yeah.

[00:11:27] cause, cause it was, uh, AB Sandberg that’s who we were trying to think of Peter Gallagher.

[00:11:31] Um, and um, Yeah.

[00:11:35] so, yeah, so, okay. I just pulled up the Wikipedia Palm Springs had its world premiere at the Sundance film festival and junior 26, 20 20. Oh. And was simultaneous to release on Hulu in select theaters by neon on July 10th, 2020. And again, that’s because of the pandemic. So it was one of those things where I think they sold it.

[00:11:54] And then the pandemic happened and then people are like, well, oh shit. Cause it’s a small movie. Anyway. It was like only $5 [00:12:00] million budget. You know, it’s a neon

[00:12:03] ration,

[00:12:03] Brett: female leading that movie?

[00:12:05] Christina: Um, it’s the girl from how I met your mother. Um, I think so. Um, yes, Kristin, uh Milady as she was the, she was the mother,

[00:12:15] Brett: Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

[00:12:18] Christina: um, at, you know, at the end that they killed, um, fucking show, swear to God fucking worst and ending.

[00:12:27] Never. I swear. I was just really, I’m just a mad about it. Just thinking about it anyway. Yeah.

[00:12:32] Uh, that was a good movie though. Like, especially as you said For like kind of a Hulu thing, like it was better than I expected it to be. That was good.

[00:12:39] Brett: For anyone who hasn’t seen it filed, it’s kind of that stuck in a time loop, trying to figure out how to get to the next day kind of plot.

[00:12:48] That’s why that’s why it came up. Um,

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[00:12:55] Christina: Yes, we should.

[00:12:55] Brett: um, because we w apparently we’re just a three [00:13:00] sponsors show now. And,

[00:13:02] and, and occasionally for, because our good friends at TextExpander get, get two spots and we have to work them in, in addition to all of these other spots were selling cause were so popular anyway.

[00:13:16] Christina: So popular.

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[00:14:55] Brett: And I don’t know where the line is, but, uh, last, last [00:15:00] week, like, so two weeks ago we got noticed that. Like our team has kind of this triumvirate of like, we have three managers, like three bosses and, and I reported directly to one of them. And, uh, but we took kind of orders from all three of them. And we got notice two weeks ago that one of the three was moving to a different team,

[00:15:27] Christina: Okay.

[00:15:28] Brett: not a huge deal.

[00:15:30] Uh, and I really liked, uh, the woman who is going to be stepping into his place. And, uh, like everything seemed cool. And then last Monday we get on a, to our first zoom meeting with our manager, just our small little team. And he tells us that he’s also moving to a different team and now we report directly to the other manager.

[00:15:53] And, um, the the word reorg is his throne bandied about [00:16:00] which

[00:16:00] always makes me nervous because that is almost always synonymous with layoffs in my personal experience.

[00:16:07] Christina: Um, yeah, and no, I mean,

[00:16:10] Brett: in, in my

[00:16:11] Christina: In your experience? No, no, no, no, no. What I was going to say, the thing about corporate America is it’s often. Yes, but I, at least in my experience.

[00:16:19] at big tech companies, it’s also very frequent and not always the case. Sorry.

[00:16:24] Brett: And this is apparently one of those, not always the case because no one got laid off. A bunch of people move to different teams and they basically streamlined our management of the dev REL team, uh, at the same time. So like I had Victor and Aaron on last week on this show and it had got. Really like, we got some good responses from people.

[00:16:47] Like we, a lot of this stuff, we talked about struck a nerve for people and, and started some conversations. And I thought, man, maybe, maybe the three of us should, should [00:17:00] have like something regular. And then I thought, oh shit, I can make my, you know, like my work happy and we could do a podcast for work.

[00:17:07] And then that blink brainstormed into this whole, like here’s what we could do different to make our jobs better. Right. I was all ready to present that to my manager on the morning that I found out he wasn’t my manager anymore. Uh, so I took it to, I took it to our new manager and she loved it. And I think, I think my job’s going to get better because we’ve been, we’ve been editing other people’s tutorials about things that none of us understand.

[00:17:35] And we basically just been doing grammar and spelling checks on other people’s work. And it’s, we’re like burning out from boredom and lack of growth. And, uh, so we’re gonna start like actually doing tutorials and bringing in experts and creating, uh, content, uh, podcasts and videos and actually learning some stuff.

[00:17:58] And I think it’s going to be way more fun [00:18:00] now. So yeah, I think it’s all it’s going to be good in the end. I think it’s, yeah, I don’t think there’s going to be a downside to.

[00:18:08] Christina: No, I think that’s awesome. That’s great. I’m happy to hear that. Cause yeah, cause sometimes you, you, you don’t know. Right? Like sometimes like it, it seems like it’s, it’s fine. And then sometimes it’s like, um, you’re, it’s scary. I’ve been through a lot of reorgs at Microsoft. Uh, Microsoft is kind of famous for loving them and some of them have been better than others.

[00:18:27] Like one of them was really good. One of them was not to be honest. Um, and, and that wasn’t really like the fault of, um, uh, the person that was put under, uh, uh, they didn’t choose me. I didn’t choose them. It was just one of those things. And, um, uh, sometimes they make more sense than other times. And, um, uh, ironically, the reason I’m on Deborah, which is where I always should have been, was because literally the week that I joined the company, there was, um, we got a new, um, uh, corporate vice-president and there was going, she [00:19:00] like announced and give people months of advance notice, which amazing from her.

[00:19:03] She was like, yep, there’s going to be a reorg. And everybody was kind of scrambling. And I was like, Okay. So the job I was hired for is probably not going to.

[00:19:12] exist the product I work on. And I knew this even before I found out that she’d been hired. Like I did my second day, I was like, oh, this is not going to exist in a year.

[00:19:21] And it didn’t. Um, and uh, I had to like scramble basically and find like a new team, a new, and I actually went to a completely different part of the company. Um, and, uh, but that was like a fight or flight moment for me. So you’re not having to do any of that. It seems like this is going to be good. It seems like you’re like, at least now like seems like you’re, you’re going to enjoy your job more.

[00:19:42] So this is, this is exciting.

[00:19:44] Brett: Um, speaking of Microsoft,

[00:19:46] I saw a tweet just this morning that had a screenshot of edge popping

[00:19:53] up a warning. If

[00:19:55] you went to the Google, if you went to

[00:19:57] download Google Chrome,

[00:19:59] Christina: is so shitty [00:20:00] and, and, and I’m, I’m I’m, I’m like

[00:20:03] Brett: it’s just, it feels so like

[00:20:06] early days of internet Explorer.

[00:20:07] Christina: Yeah, no, it does. Well, here’s the thing. And, and, and I have to be careful what I say about this, because I’m not a public, well, I don’t represent Microsoft. Everyone who listens to this podcast should know that and knows that.

[00:20:20] However, as people at the company have informed me, you know, I am a public figure. Well, no, I think that the term was well you’re, you’re kind of a, and I was like, no, I, I am, I, I, that’s how I would be classified. I have a Wikipedia. Like, I’m not trying to say anything. Most people have no fucking clue who I am, but in this sphere, I definitely, I am.

[00:20:41] I like most employees kind of run the risk of like, oh, if you say something you’re speaking on behalf of the company, I especially run into that risk. So I have to be careful what I’m saying here, which is not to say that I’m not going to be critical of it because I am, I just need to temper it. But yeah, it seems like early internet Explorer, full shed also hedges [00:21:00] really good.

[00:21:01] Like, like. Edge is better than Chrome. And I like knowingly use edge now. I mean, I have Chrome installed because I have everything installed, but I haven’t used it in, I don’t even know how long I don’t even think I’ve ever used it on my new Mac except to install it. And actually very recently, um, I found this awesome.

[00:21:25] Note extension that takes a high-quality screenshot of tweets. And, um, I had a Python, um, a script that someone CLI script that someone had written before that used selenium and stuff, but it was, um, uh, uh, not updated. This one has been actively like worked on and is good. And what it’s doing is rather than going through the whole selenium stuff, it’s, it’s, it’s opening up the, um, uh, headless version of Chrome and then using the Dom to capture the, um, tweet and then making a couple of adjustments and then saving it as a file.

[00:21:58] But you can also customize like the width and some [00:22:00] other stuff. Like it’s, it’s a cool tool anyway, I’ve chromed cell for that, but I don’t even use it, but like w w and there was some talk like from people, like if you had to have a pop-up, why, why wouldn’t you maybe have a feedback thing? That’s like, Hey, we see you’re downloading this.

[00:22:15] Could you give us some feedback as to why that would still be a little, annoying, but it wouldn’t be as.

[00:22:20] Brett: little creepy, but way less, um, way less totalitarian.

[00:22:25] Christina: Yeah,

[00:22:25] Also, I mean, okay. And then this is just going to be in me and then I’m going to get off it. Look, Google does do similar things to be very clear. Like they have all kinds of, you know, like if you, if you go to their sites and whatnot, and another browser, like, Hey, do you want to download Chrome? Or, or, you know, um, Gmail really works better in Chrome.

[00:22:42] You know, YouTube really works better in Chrome, which is the same sort of bullshit because people like my dad will see that and we’ll download it, not realizing that whatever they were using almost certainly works just as well, Um, although, you know, Google does do their own bullshit where like, they’re like, oh, well we’re going to hold back [00:23:00] features or whatever.

[00:23:01] But one of the, things that got me is they were like, you know, it’s so 2008 and on the one hand. Okay. That is funny. And I did laugh on the other hand. Um, I don’t know with edge is in the position to really punch down on that. Considering it’s based on chromium, right? Like I’m just kind of like guys, like I get, I get the point, but can you not?

[00:23:26] Brett: the pop-up I saw said that, Hey, did you know ed runs on the same, uh, engine as Chrome, but you get the trust of Microsoft.

[00:23:38] Christina: Okay. That’s a move. Well, no, cause it is. Cause it’s a weird thing. I think that there’s a certain for a certain number of people out there, they might find that compelling. There’s a whole other, certain part of people who are going to just laugh in the face of that. Right. Because they still remember Microsoft is like the Microsoft for more than 20 years ago, [00:24:00] which is what, you’re, what you brought up.

[00:24:02] You’re like, oh, you know, it seems like old, old internet Explorer days. So like at least that is more honest. The one that I saw the screenshot of was like, Hey, you know, that browser associates thousand eight, you know, don’t, you want to stick with like the modern whatever. And on the one hand again, that’s funny, but also you literally, as they said in that other one, like it’s literally built off of chromium, literally 95%, the same thing, the depth tools are better on edge.

[00:24:33] And I like, um, yeah, yeah. The dev tools are better. Um,

[00:24:37] Brett: really into Firefox’s dev tools. They do a really good.

[00:24:40] Christina: you should check out the edge ones. You might still prefer firebox, but the edge ones are good. Cause that team is working hard on it. And they are also actively actively taking feedback and suggestions. Um, it also

[00:24:50] Brett: their dev tools department.

[00:24:52] Christina: correct. Correct, because that is, I think one of the ways cause, and they have like really good integration with Visco.

[00:24:58] They’re actually, they don’t have [00:25:00] a complete theme engine yet, but there are some themes you can select for it and they are working on a way so that you can match your edge dev tools, theme to your vs code theme.

[00:25:10] Brett: Huh.

[00:25:11] Christina: Uh, they, they, they have a number of them available now, but they’re, they’re working on it. So you could do anything, which is awesome.

[00:25:16] Um, I mean, that’s just a small nerdy thing, but like, I like that. I like having my tools look the same. Um, and the integration between the two works really well. Um, so edged up tools are really good, but you know, the base of the thing, like the extensions are the same. There are a couple of differences and, and to be clear, like the edge team does contribute a lot upstream to chromium, but, um, you know, like shoulders of giants.

[00:25:42] So anyway, go on. That was my rant.

[00:25:45] Brett: My, my S my theme that I use in all of my editors, my lucky charms theme, I don’t think anyone else in the world likes that color scheme, but I’ve gotten so used to it that I can’t, it’s like, it’s a, it’s [00:26:00] a light background,

[00:26:01] Christina: Yeah. It looks like cereal milk.

[00:26:04] Brett: Yeah. Yeah. Like the end of eating lucky charms when your milk’s turned all yellow and you

[00:26:10] just have a few marshmallows floating.

[00:26:12] Um, yeah, but like, I don’t think anyone else, I just don’t see it being a popular theme ever. It just happens to be like what my brain likes

[00:26:23] Christina: Yeah. Which, which is cool. There was one I used, I can’t remember what it was called now, but I used to text main theme for years that I think I was like the only, it was tube star. That was what it was called. Um, and I think I was one of, I think I was the only one who did it. Um, and as the maintainer, civil, this day of like the largest repository of texts, main themes on get hub, um, which shockingly still gets a number of people doing stuff from it.

[00:26:47] because they can convert those

[00:26:49] Brett: Oh yeah. The, the TM, The, TM, theme format is still accepted in most modern editors, even though most of them use a Jason format by default.

[00:26:57] Christina: Exactly exactly. I mean, that was one of the first things that, [00:27:00] that, uh, vs code did was they were like, yep, we’re going to adopt this and create like a, a converter sort of thing. They also did a thing for some of the plugins, you know, to make that easy, which I think is one of the reasons why vs code took off the way that it did.

[00:27:12] But, um, Yeah.

[00:27:14] Um, but I used that for a long time. Now I’m using, What have I been using? I’ve been using it for like three years. Um, it’s uh, it’s um, like a retro type of, it’s kind of like a cyberpunk type of theme. Um, I even use it in, um, uh, Nova, um, when I use that. Um, but yeah,

[00:27:32] Brett: What was the old one you used tube, sir.

[00:27:35] Christina: Schuster. Yeah.

[00:27:38] Brett: I’ll look that up. Um, do you want to hear about before we, before we leave tech behind

[00:27:45] my Vic, my victory for the week at work,

[00:27:48] Christina: Yeah.

[00:27:49] Brett: this is people, people who do. Use regular expressions who don’t understand why they’re useful. Here’s an [00:28:00] example. So we got this edict that all content on our little self-publishing platform that linked to anything@oracle.com, any sub domain or Oracle cloud.com had to have these long tracking links on them, uh, with unique codes for the page, it was linking from so like two different pages on the site could link to the same Oracle page, but they needed different tracking links.

[00:28:32] And that was going to be this whole mess of editing. And, and we were going to have to have this whole system for like generating these links that would have to be propagated out to every author that contributed to our. So I wrote a plugin and all you have to do now is put the, uh, the, the MRM code. It’s like a 10 digit string.

[00:28:58] You just have to put that in the [00:29:00] front matter for the Jekyll post and any oracle.com link in the post is automatically linked. Uh, it takes, and then I got a CSV file of all the existing content with its, uh, MRM codes and wrote a 10 line script that updated everything in one go. So I’ve saved the company, probably 40 hours of retroactive work and, uh, untold amount of work going forward.

[00:29:32] And the filter that does the whole thing is basically three lines with two regular expressions.

[00:29:39] Christina: That’s awesome.

[00:29:41] Brett: Yeah. Yeah. People people are very, people are very thankful and ecstatic. And I have not told anyone at work yet that it’s only three lines of code. Cause I feel like that would diminish the magic.

[00:29:55] Christina: Well, I mean, it couldn’t, it couldn’t, I mean, at one hand it might diminish magic. On the other hand, it might be [00:30:00] like, holy shit, these three lines just saved us an entire world.

[00:30:05] Brett: Yeah.

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[00:31:49] Everyone needs version control

[00:31:49] Christina: No, and seriously it did. Did a crypto come up in your family conversations at Thanksgiving this year.

[00:31:54] Brett: I did not see family this year.

[00:31:56] Everyone, everyone went to Georgia and I said, no, [00:32:00] thank you.

[00:32:01] I don’t like to travel or stay in other people’s homes. And I’m just gonna, and my girlfriend worked and

[00:32:08] basically I had a nice relaxing Thanksgiving where I just watch TV and ate tacos.

[00:32:14] Christina: See, that sounds amazing. That sounds really good. I, I watched a lot of TV, which we’re going to talk about in a second, but just to kind of close the loop, because you were talking about how you were able to optimize and automate, like basically with three lines of code, your object was able to save all this time.

[00:32:29] So, you know, a few weeks back we were talking about, I guess, about a month or so ago, we were talking about how, um, It was talked about this with Victor, but we also talked about before Victor was on about how like you have to teach, like non-developers how to use version control. Right. And how you probably, and you’ve done this probably more than almost anybody on the planet, you know, having to teach normal people.

[00:32:50] Victor wouldn’t be one of them, but like normal people how to use market out. Right. Okay. So.

[00:32:56] Brett: Well, even, even like when you get into, especially with [00:33:00] technical documentation,

[00:33:01] understanding like how to nest a fence code block inside

[00:33:06] a nested bullet list.

[00:33:08] Like it’s just, there’s all these indentation rules and everything that I take for granted that

[00:33:14] are, you have to take the time to explain,

[00:33:17] oh, you actually don’t need to end dent within the fence code black and the fence code black doesn’t need to be double indented because that’s only for indented code blocks.

[00:33:25] Christina: Yeah, no, totally well, okay. So a team that I work with, it’s not my team, but we’re kind of in the same family. And I used to work with them a lot more closely. Um, the, the video team and Deborah at Microsoft, um, were Golnaz. Who’s awesome. Um, she was like, okay, look, we all have to, because they just moved to a brand new video platform and the old system had kind of a CMS and there was a way you would upload things and title things.

[00:33:48] And it wasn’t great. It was, it was, you know, kind of junk, but it worked well and it was a gooey and it was a traditional CMS, the new way that they’re doing everything, because the videos are now hosted on the docs platform [00:34:00] is all marked down based. And then there is a, like a table of contents, Yamhill will file, which is a whole other thing.

[00:34:06] Um, but you know, but this stuff itself is just going to be in kind of nested markdown files that have a particular format and particular things that they need to commit to get hub and they need to work on them. And so she was trying to get everybody should kind of like a two day thing where she was trying to teach everybody.

[00:34:22] And she didn’t really know a lot of this herself. So she was learning to, you know, learning, get learning, get hub and learning markdown. And it reminded me of our conversation. And I was kind of seeing how they were struggling and they were getting concepts. But like for instance, they were having issues where before they realized what they could do with get, they were all literally making changes to stuff they’re trying to commit them.

[00:34:42] And then they were deleting the folder on their computer and then grabbing things down again from GitHub To be updated. Like they were literally like just downloading like the folder again and like opening it up and then deleting everything and doing it to make their changes, not

[00:34:57] Brett: be fair. That is [00:35:00] basically what we ended up telling the non-developer people on our team to just always pull a fresh, clean. Time.

[00:35:07] Christina: No, but they weren’t even pulling a clone cause pulling, it would be fine. Like they were literally like deleting. Oh, okay. So you mean they were, so they were like,

[00:35:14] literally just deleting

[00:35:14] Brett: Delete, deleting and doing a clean, a clean clone. Every time they wanted to start a new branch just

[00:35:21] to avoid the conflicts.

[00:35:23] Christina: well this wasn’t even so much for starting a new branch. This was just like, for them to like commit their changes and

[00:35:28] Brett: Oh, wow. Okay.

[00:35:29] Christina: So, so they weren’t understanding the whole push pull thing. Um, once everybody got on the same branch yeah, That works. Um, although Golnaz deleted some stuff, she didn’t want to delete it.

[00:35:38] So it, it, we were trying to, we reverted the commitment. We were trying to like remove, uh, or not remove one file from one of those things. And we were,

[00:35:48] Brett: yeah.

[00:35:49] Christina: we were having issues and I was like, I was like, Genuinely, what would be easier is if we just recommit what we reverted and then we just manually Riyadh this file because that this is going to be [00:36:00] faster.

[00:36:01] Brett: That happens even to, even, even, to people who know kit. Well, there are

[00:36:05] Christina: No, I know

[00:36:06] Brett: a commit contains too many files and you only want half of them,

[00:36:10] and it’s just easier to

[00:36:13] delete it and manually add them.

[00:36:15] Christina: we’ll know. And that’s what we want of doing. And that’s what I was kind of trying to explain to her. And I was like, look, I’m not trying to say I’m like an expert, but I’m pretty good. And I was like, this is too much. I was like, there is a way to do this. I don’t really know the easiest way to do this, but, but this is going to be better.

[00:36:30] And, and, but she did learn a really valuable lesson, which is, do not commit too many things at once. Like, like do it in masters, like, oh, so this is why you do this. Well, this occurred to me. So this is now twice in a month that we’ve in granted, we’re working with technical documentation and stuff, but I’ve seen this come up with other people where.

[00:36:48] You know, like non-developers are having to learn about these systems and there are no resources because I’ve looked, there are no resources aimed at the [00:37:00] non developer audience for learning, get learning, get hub mark down maybe a little bit, but certainly not. If you’re going to be doing the nest is sort of stuff like you’re talking about.

[00:37:09] There’s nothing that’s kind of written in kind of plain language, um, that doesn’t have a ton of assumptions that people already know how to set things up, but it just doesn’t exist. And so I think that we should do a course. Like, I, I feel like it’s a sign. I feel like this has happened now. You know, this conversation has literally come up twice and this is just in the last month.

[00:37:33] And I’ve dealt with this for years. I know you have to like, I, I used to have like, even at Mashable, God, even when I worked at AMC as like a freelancer, I had like a whole remember screen stuff.

[00:37:44] Brett: Oh, yeah. Oh my God. I was a huge fan of screen step.

[00:37:48] Christina: I was too. I had an entire screen setup site set up showing people how to use markdown and, and, and this was in 2009, you know? And, um, and, and people used it because it was [00:38:00] the, the CMS that we had was literally the worst thing I’ve ever used in my entire life. It was, it was unusable. And so markdown was one of those things that was just going to be an easier thing for people to do.

[00:38:13] Um, and, um, uh, so like I was doing that sorta stuff. So I was just thinking, I was like, you know, these are skills, especially people who, cause I asked Twitter, if you will be interested in and people were, I was like, would this be something people would be interested in? And, and a lot of people. Even if I wouldn’t be, I would want to refer people to, but this is the sort of thing where especially, I think for like people who are PMs, um, and work on technical teams, work on technical documentation.

[00:38:37] These are people who are really good at what they do, but they don’t have the background where they haven’t lived in read this stuff. There’s nothing out there for them. So that is my proposal that we, and I, I mean, you said you were down and we were talking about it, but I’m putting this out on the podcast you, cause I want to hear the podcasts, like the listeners, like thoughts, because these are many of our people.

[00:38:55] Would that be something you’d be interested in? You know, like a video kind of written course [00:39:00] about how to do all this stuff, but not from the perspective of, we expect that you have, you know, um, you, that you programmed for a living.

[00:39:08] Brett: I think there’s also like, I think any writer working even individually, not even on a small team, I think there are benefits to a markdown get workflow for everybody. These are like free tools that you

[00:39:27] can use. And version control is like

[00:39:30] autosave on steroids, which

[00:39:32] every writer has like had experiences where they wish they could see, like at what point things went wrong.

[00:39:40] Christina: No. You’re exactly right. I mean, I’ve actually, and I’ve said this to the office team for years where we’re, and I’ve tweeted this and I’ve gotten like, when I’ve tweeted this before, it’s gotten massive response where I’m like, I want get for like office documents, if you will, like, oh, you know, I mean, track changes.

[00:39:56] I’m like, no, not track changes. I want like an actual like diff system where [00:40:00] I can see what Was

[00:40:01] added, what was removed and, and like for PowerPoint, for, you know, for Excel, for, for word, where you can see each individual thing and you can see where stuff went wrong. Like, I would kill for that to the point that I’ve, that I’ve like reverse engineered and I, and then it stopped working.

[00:40:16] But I like had a thing where I like write things in markdown and having get in the head away, like converting it into word documents and then going back. But that anyway,

[00:40:25] Brett: there was, there was this Mac app called I think it was called draft country. And it basically added version control to any type of file. Uh, it was specifically designed to work with like word documents and, and various RTF formats. And, um, I dug into it one day I dug into the, the files it was storing and it was basically using get bundle

[00:40:50] Christina: Yeah,

[00:40:51] Brett: and, and, and, tracking like change history on you just point it to a directory and it would automatically, as changes came in, it would [00:41:00] create these, these bundle commits.

[00:41:02] It was pretty cool. It, it died like it just got, it stopped being updated one day and then eventually stopped working.

[00:41:09] Christina: Yeah. Yeah. I’m seeing this in the eye. It looks like it was written about in 2014, um, which is a shame, but also it’s complicated, but it’s one of those things where, like I mentioned, this. You know, I mean, like, I don’t know. I feel like it’s something that Microsoft could do, and apparently there are ways people could do things like that, but I feel like there’s a, and I’ve said this before, and I will say this again to somebody who is smarter than me.

[00:41:30] I just want to create a course, but this is, I’m not even joking. This is a billion dollar co this is a billion dollar idea. If you could have a true like version control, like sort of like, um, text editor, office, suite sort of thing, or even a way to add version control to, you know, like the standard office suite, that is a billion dollar idea because, um, of all the, all the issues that people have and Google docs doesn’t do that.

[00:41:54] Like they have the collaborative thing, which is when I first say that people like, oh, you know, you can collaborate on Google [00:42:00] docs. I’m like, yeah, no, I’m not talking about that. I’m talking about version control. And I’m talking about like line by line, you know, like

[00:42:06] Brett: Blames.

[00:42:07] Christina: the block. I’m talking about blames.

[00:42:08] Exactly. I’m talking about being able to go like line by line and see, yes, I added deleted remover this thing and, And I can, you know, like,

[00:42:17] Brett: And I signed off on this change and there’s an audit trail to show exactly who did what.

[00:42:22] Christina: Exactly, which is really important. So, but but I agree with you. I think even normal writers, like even if like, all you do is like writing on your own, whatever. I mean, I wrote everything. So did you and mark down for my whole career and version control was also an important thing too, because again, like you said, like, you want to know when shit goes sideways or when something doesn’t save or when like, or

[00:42:47] Brett: it also gives you the license to make mistakes because you know that you can, you can always backtrack any single line. You can find, you know, where, where something went [00:43:00] wrong and you can just get it back like in,

[00:43:02] and, and without having to like, go back to that version of the document, you can actually replace just a line.

[00:43:10] Christina: That’s what I’m

[00:43:11] Brett: you can get very finite with it, very granular and, and you can, you can make a branch, you can mess things up as much as you want to. If all goes wrong, it’s a switch back to the main branch and never merge it. And like, it just gives you

[00:43:24] the license to fuck up.

[00:43:26] Christina: It does. And you’re right, because there are all those times when like you’re writing and You have a really good paragraph, you’re on a roll and then you delete it for some other reason. And, and then you are writing further and you’re like, shit, I really liked what I said there. And you don’t have that option in, in other tools.

[00:43:43] So, um, anyway, I think this is something that we should look at doing. Cause there isn’t a course out there that’s written for non non-technical people like non, primarily technical people about this. And I think that, like you said, I think everybody could benefit. And so

[00:43:57] Brett: You know, what’s nice on ghetto. [00:44:00] Line by line comments in, in commits and in diffs, like we do our edit, like people who want to submit to our publishing platform, uh, they make a poll request and then I can check out their poll request. I can make my edits. And then in the diff I can just hit the plus sign next to a line number and add a note saying, here’s why I made this change.

[00:44:25] Here’s what you need to look for in the future. Uh, before I merged the commit and, and it’s like a great way to, it’s like adding notes to a word document, uh, it, it gives me all of the Virgin control. Plus I get to tell people why I made each change and that’s a get hub thing, not a good thing, but,

[00:44:43] Christina: Right.

[00:44:45] Brett: but it’s a, it’s a cool tool for that.

[00:44:47] Christina: No, that is really cool. And I think that’s the thing too, is like that’s, um, uh, obviously get, get hub are different, but I think that for some people, especially, you know, people, they become. The same, like [00:45:00] a lot of people just know get hub, which is okay. You know? Um, but I do think it’s important for people to kind of know like the basics of both, but that is cool.

[00:45:07] I didn’t know about that feature on GitHub. That’s really interesting. So anyways, that’s, that’s my proposal. I would love to hear feedback from our listeners. If this is something you would be interested in, um,

[00:45:17] Brett: And how much would you pay

[00:45:19] Christina: yeah. How much would you pay? Cause I would be curious about that too. I feel like, I feel like there’ll be an opportunity to maybe even up tiers depending on how in-depth you want it to go on stuff.

[00:45:30] I don’t know. We’d have to look it up, but yeah, I would definitely be interested knowing how much you’d be willing to pay for this. Yeah, exactly. But, but it’s, you know, I mean, like, so I’m just saying, cause like I would love to be able to give it away for free, but this sort of thing and some of it we might be able to, but I assuming this, this happens,

[00:45:47] Brett: We’ll give you a taste.

[00:45:48] Christina: We’ll give you a taste Yeah,

[00:45:49] Brett: for free.

[00:45:50] Christina: totally. But I just feel like this is, this would be a lot of work, but I feel like it would be important and um,

[00:45:55] Brett: But if you want to learn how to use, get bisect, that’s gonna cost ya. [00:46:00] Have you ever used goodbyes? Do you know what get bisect

[00:46:02] Christina: I know when it okay. I’ve heard of it and I can’t think of what it is?

[00:46:05] Yeah.

[00:46:06] Brett: So like, so something goes wrong. You have a bug in your, in your app and you want to figure out when you, you don’t know what caused it or what change. So you, you dig back and you find a commit where it’s not there. You find a commit that works, and you mark that as a good commit. And you mark your current commit as a bad commit.

[00:46:26] And then you start by sect and it divides the distance between the good and the bad. And then you test it. And you say you mark the current, the current commit as good or bad. If it’s bad, then it rewinds halfway between the two bad commits to two or between the original good commit. And the current commit.

[00:46:47] If it’s good, then it serves moving you forward until you find the exact committed. Where it went wrong, it just keeps dividing the distance between the two. And you just hate you just keep doing, get a [00:47:00] bisect continue until you get to the commit that broke it. It’s an amazing tool for tracking down bugs.

[00:47:06] Christina: Oh, that’s awesome.

[00:47:07] Brett: I don’t, I don’t know when it was added to get, but it’s a really cool sub command.

[00:47:12] Christina: That is really cool. And see, that’s the thing too. This is a sort of course that could continue to be updated, um, because they are always making changes stuff. Anyway. Uh, Losa your thoughts, how much you would pay for something like that? Cause that was an idea I had and I actually think it’s a really good one.

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[00:49:28] Brett: stuff and things. So, okay.

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[00:49:30] Brett: First TV question.

[00:49:32] Christina: Yes.

[00:49:33] Brett: Were you ever into cowboy bebop as an enemy?

[00:49:39] Christina: But I don’t remember much of it to be completely honest. And I’ll also say this there’s some anime that I really do enjoy. And like when I find myself watching it, I can really like, but like historically the only enemy?

[00:49:47] I was really into was the film of Kira.

[00:49:49] Brett: Yeah, Akira and ghost in the shell. Like

[00:49:51] those two I’ll swear by, but nothing else really ever caught my attention. Um, but yeah, so I was never, I’d never got into cowboy [00:50:00] bebop. I knew of it.

[00:50:01] Uh, and so,

[00:50:03] Christina: of where I’m at. Like, I think I’ve seen like some of it, but, but, but I have no idea who the characters are. I don’t know any, you know, like I I’m aware it’s a thing. I’ve no clue. I could tell you like, nothing more about it.

[00:50:16] Brett: when Netflix came out with a live action cowboy bebop, I was intrigued, like I had to give it a shot and it is, um, it is excellent. I highly recommend that you check it out, Christina. I th it’s super it like the, the cast is awesome. The writing is very, it’s like gritty Nawara cowboy futuristic. Um, they’re like bounty hunters and it’s very, uh, it’s got a real, um, what’s the movie I’m thinking of with, uh, San Angeles, uh, blade runner.

[00:50:57] It’s got a

[00:50:58] very blade runner, gritty, [00:51:00] new R feel to it.

[00:51:01] Christina: oh, that’s cool.

[00:51:02] Brett: Excellent effects. Excellent. Uh, like the spaceships are awesome and yeah, it, I, I definitely, I want you to see it so we can talk about it.

[00:51:12] Christina: Okay. All right. I will, I will definitely watch it so we can talk about it.

[00:51:16] Um,

[00:51:17] Brett: the dude, um, what’s his name? I’m looking it up right now. Mustafa shook here shook her shucker um, he was in Luke cage. Uh, he has he’s he’s a black guy with these eyes that I think they might be green. I’m not sure they’re they’re dark, but they reflect enough light that he has this haunting look like when the, when the ring lights are on his eyes, it just, they glow.

[00:51:49] It is. It’s amazing. You got to see this guy

[00:51:53] Christina: Okay. Okay. All right. So I will check that out if you say that it’s good. Cause I was going to be honest, I was kind of like, eh, I can [00:52:00] pass this, but if you’re you kind of had me at a blade runner type of thing. And if you say that it’s good and worth talking about, then I will watch it. Um,

[00:52:07] Brett: here. I’m dropping a Lincoln Quip. You can just take a quick look at. Oops at, uh, the picture of Mustafa and you can see what I’m talking about. I dropped it in, but it won’t let me out dent it. So it looks like we’re part of tube, sir theme. There we go.

[00:52:25] Christina: Okay. Oh, cool.

[00:52:28] Brett: Yeah. Right.

[00:52:30] Christina: Yeah. Okay. Very, very good stuff. Okay. So for me, TV wise, the thing that I, and I mentioned this to you before, and obviously, and I do not blame you, you’re kind of like, why would I watch this? But I implore you and the rest of the audience who might be, um, like thinking yeah. Reticent.

[00:52:51] but, but it might be thinking like this would be done, but like, if you have the opportunity, if you have peacock, um, or if you have other ways of getting it saved by the bell, the [00:53:00] reboot is incredibly good. And, um, I I’m, I’m, I’m a big fan of,

[00:53:10] Brett: Do you have to care about the original.

[00:53:13] Christina: no, it’s, it’s good. If you know some of the jokes, like it’s good if you’ve seen the original, so you can be aware of some of the jokes. However, it is definitely not one of those things where you’re like, oh Yeah.

[00:53:24] I have to, um, you know, um, like be like a completely like, you know, embedded in it and connect it to this thing.

[00:53:32] Like, it, it, it’s not, um, so it is, uh, like you don’t have to, like, if you’re a super fan, I think you will enjoy it because it’s funny and it makes fun of the show. But even if you’re not, I think that you would find enjoyable thing. So it’s created by somebody who was, um, a writer on 30 rock. She’s the. So it’s very tongue and cheek.

[00:53:51] It’s a weird show. The second season came out, this is kind of the news. I think it’s better than the first they’ve made it kind of this weird world, which I really appreciate. Like they just let shit [00:54:00] kind of get weird where, and then they sort of acknowledged the kind of break the fourth wall a little bit.

[00:54:04] And they acknowledged kind of the craziness sometimes of like, where is this place? What is this world like? It’s, it’s very self-aware, but it’s also funny and it’s sweet and, and I, I don’t know exactly who it’s for. Like, I don’t know if the kids today would be super into it. I would hope they would like it.

[00:54:21] Um, there’s going to be some references and some things they don’t. So I feel like in some ways it’s really perfectly aged. Like it’s perfect. It’s perfect. People who are my age, I think would be perfect. Like people like, like you would, I think you would like it. Honestly. I feel like if you gave it a shot, you would like, it, it it’s, it’s ridiculous, but it’s also like.

[00:54:41] Really good. Like it’s, I’ll say this, there is no way in hell. And there was no reason that the show should be the quality that it is. Like, there’s absolutely no reason. Like you hearsay about the bell reboot and you think. Oh, my God, this is going to be the most cheesy, awful, terrible thing. And it is not.

[00:54:59] Um, [00:55:00] I think one of the smartest things they did is they hired the guy who did the web series. Zack Morris is trash, which was like a show that recapped episodes in the same of the bell. And then just pointed out all the ways that Zach Morris is terrible, even though he’s my favorite. Um, they hired him. He, he, he’s a, he’s a writer.

[00:55:16] He’s actually the, the, um, the story editor. Um, and so he’s on the writing staff and he actually does a podcast with Mark Paul Gossler who played Zach called Zach to the future where they revisit episodes that say the belt, which Barbara guzzlers apparently never watched. And they talk about it. And, and it’s it.

[00:55:32] That’s funny too. And they very frequently kind of delve in all the ways. It’s like, oh my God, like, how did, why, why would we think this was okay, so, but anyway, but that guy is on the writing staff, which I think gives you kind of a sensibility of like, Oh, okay. They’re not being, they’re not modeling about the past at all, because they’re not like there, it there’s, there’s an episode in the second season where, um, Elizabeth Berkley’s character, um, talks about her, her time in Vegas, [00:56:00] which is a complete throwback to Showgirls.

[00:56:02] And she has on like Versace boots and whole things. And like, she goes to this whole thing and like has lines and Showgirls. It’s a very, it’s very funny how it’s worked out. Um, and that’s kind of a big deal. Cause it’s my knowledge that the actress has never really talked about Showgirls. I think she showed up to a screening once, but like it ruined her career and, and, uh, that has not been one of the things that she’s been happy to kind of go in on.

[00:56:25] So the fact that she could joke about it and that they like made fun of that. I was actually really impressed. That was really funny. So, um, if, if I just I’m for people, it’s a, it’s a weird show, but in a good way, I really like say by the ball, like.

[00:56:44] Brett: knowing what you know about Al, which isn’t to say a lot, but you have a general idea of her sensibility. Do you think this is a show that I should try watching with without, or is this one I have to give a shot on my own.

[00:56:58] Christina: no, I think you could wash it [00:57:00] with her for sure. Um, cause it’s, it’s like, it’s, it’s silly. Uh, but, but it’s smart. Um, they also handle, you know, like they address like class issues and, and other kind of social things in a smart way that is not modeling again. Like it’s not like one of those, like. Very special episode of things. Yeah, no, I, I think, I think that I would like it. I mean, the thing, the, the basic premise is that there is an underfunded school, I think like in, in a certain part of Los Angeles, they got shut down, uh, because, uh, governor Zack Morris, um, did the budget and got something wrong until he had to cut all sorts of money from school.

[00:57:39] So a bunch of schools got shut down and then people freaked out and somebody had the idea of, well, why don’t you just send the poor kids to the rich schools like Bayside. And, um, he, he jumps on that idea because he doesn’t want people to not like him. And so these kids from this other school end up at Bayside and, [00:58:00] um, you know, kind of have to integrate with the, in this other world.

[00:58:03] And, and the way the Bayside is portrayed is that.

[00:58:05] to outsiders. So people who don’t go there, it’s like, okay, why, why, how is this even a real place sort of thing. Um, and, uh, and it’s very funny and, um, It’s, but there’s also like, like, you know, throwbacks to, to earlier episodes and stuff. And so if you did watch the original series, which most people did, you didn’t, but most people have at least seen, they probably seen more episodes than they can count.

[00:58:32] Cause it was on reruns all the damn time. Um, there’s a great essay about same at the bell and, uh, Chuck Klosterman, uh, book, um, um, yeah. Uh, sex RX. Yeah. Uh, I would love to hear his thoughts on the new one because I feel like it’s would be completely the sort of thing he’d be into. Um, but, uh, Yeah. no, it’s just, it’s, it’s really good.

[00:58:51] And it, and it’s, it’s sweet, like I said, but it’s also, it’s just, they got, they went really weird in some ways in the, in the second season, which I really appreciated. It reminded me at 30 [00:59:00] rock in that sense, you know, there’s kind of like this different reality, you know, for, for certain things, which I really liked.

[00:59:07] So.

[00:59:08] Brett: All right. You know what I’ve realized about ELLs sensibilities in television? She does not like lawbreakers. Like she, she shows like Ozark and weeds and breaking bad and even bad girls. Like she just, she are good girls. What was the show called?

[00:59:31] Christina: Yeah,

[00:59:32] Brett: Good girls.

[00:59:32] Good girls. But they were bad girls.

[00:59:35] Uh, it’s funny.

[00:59:36] Um, like she just can’t get into characters that go against her sense of,

[00:59:42] you know, like whatever morality, uh, is for her. Um, like she’s fine if someone is breaking the law, but for a just cause and they’re doing, you know, what feels like the right thing. She’s fine. But if people, I think it’s, if people are doing things they know [01:00:00] are wrong, like she can’t get into the show and it’s, I’m like, I’m kind of the opposite.

[01:00:06] Like I really enjoy watching people.

[01:00:10] Okay.

[01:00:10] Christina: so she would sh so she would hate succession succession, which is my favorite show. She would load that, which totally fair, um, as really interesting, well, this, this is safe for the bell, so it doesn’t have any of

[01:00:21] Brett: Yeah. Yeah. I, it could, it could, that could fit in her, her need for people to be good guys.

[01:00:28] Christina: Well, knowing that is kind of the thing is that even the most kind of like sociopathic character, Mack, Maura sack, Morris’s son, who is very funny and very charming, and the kid is very cute. Like the way they, the way he’s played, the way the actor plays him is really great. But also the way he’s portrayed, there’s like you see a little more to it, but it’s also so ridiculous that like you just, everyone just kind of both laughing at him and then he’s also.

[01:00:54] I it’s hard to describe, but Yeah. this, this would definitely be one of those shows that definitely doesn’t have anybody [01:01:00] who’s like going against their moral code or anything. Like there, there, there are no, there are no villains, you know, this is, this is a comedy. Um, it, it is more adult. Uh, this is the only thing that, again, like I said, I don’t know who the audience is because the original was obviously ambit children.

[01:01:14] It was on Saturday mornings. I think that teens would like it if they watched it. Um, but there are a lot of references and jokes and kind of things about stuff. There’s definitely more adult. And, and, and they, you know, they say, bitch, I don’t think they, they curse in any other ways, but, but it is definitely more, you know, they, they make jokes about having sex.

[01:01:34] Like, it is definitely not like the milk toast like saved by the bell. We have like a Peck on the lips and the whole audience goes, Ooh, you know, it’s not that shit at all.

[01:01:46] Brett: All right. Yeah. Speaking of pandemics and TV shows, did you watch this season of the morning?

[01:01:57] Christina: Yes, I fucking loved it.

[01:01:58] Brett: It was kind of [01:02:00] amazing. I think it like, there’s

[01:02:01] a place for a show that recaps the last two years

[01:02:05] we’ve had, like, it’s really kind of riveting because for anyone not watching it this season, they, they embraced the pandemic and they

[01:02:14] basically are telling this story of the early days

[01:02:18] Christina: At the early

[01:02:18] Brett: of the pandemic.

[01:02:20] Christina: it ends the day of lockdown. It’s so funny. Cause it ends the day that my friend, Alex and I went and saw jagged little pill on Broadway. The last day Broadway was open before it was closed down for 18 months or whatever. And, um, uh, I went to the dashboard confessional concert. It’s like what I consider like my last day of, of anything.

[01:02:39] And it ended then. And I was like, cause I watched the screeners and uh, she and I were watching them together, but we couldn’t watch them at the same time because only one person could be logged into her screen or account at once. And, um, I was like texting her cause I like stayed up all night, like watching all of them and I, Yeah. like two of [01:03:00] our predictions came true and one of them was like, oh my God, they’re going to end on on this date.

[01:03:04] And it’s I thought it was great television also. I loved that. It, it fully embraced being a so.

[01:03:11] Brett: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Do you think they’ll tackle, uh, D do you think the next season will include black lives matter?

[01:03:20] Christina: Yeah. Yeah. They get

[01:03:22] Brett: Kind of has to

[01:03:23] Christina: I asked, you know, cause, cause that’s the next thing, right? Like, cause cause if you look at 2020, I mean that was the next big moment. Like that ends in March and then the next big thing would have been, you know, may George Floyd, like you’d have to like, there’d be no way that you could not.

[01:03:35] Um, it’d be, I think I, and I don’t know if they even picked up for a third season or not. I sure hope they have. I know it’s very expensive. Um, and I don’t know how it’s performed for apple. I really enjoyed it?

[01:03:44] I really liked, uh, the, the, uh, Bradley Corey, um, uh, Laura thing. Um,

[01:03:51] Brett: In the season finale,

[01:03:52] I won’t no spoilers cause it’s still pretty new, but yeah, the dynamic between Bradley and Corey [01:04:00] is pretty outstanding.

[01:04:01] Christina: it is in, and they were always to me, especially in the first season, they were like this show and.

[01:04:08] Brett: His character is so,

[01:04:10] uh it’s so his, like, his character is so superficial though.

[01:04:15] Like he is nothing. If he’s not a scheme, like everything is a scheme

[01:04:20] and like to break through to any actual, like, real emotion that isn’t put on for the sake of

[01:04:27] manipulation that, yeah, it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s very raw. It feels very exposed and raw.

[01:04:35] And I think they did a great job with

[01:04:37] Christina: No, I thought they did a great job. I think that, that, uh, Billy credit was fantastic. Uh, I thought all the acting was really good. Um, and I, like I said, I really liked, they embrace it.

[01:04:45] being a soap. And, um, and I liked it. Uh, we saw like a lipstick bisexual, like, you know, You know, in her forties, I kind of like exploring that stuff.

[01:04:57] Like, I, I, I liked the [01:05:00] whole show. Um, I loved the season actually. Um, I’m glad we’re talking about it, but Yeah, the, this, this, the season finale was really good and the Corey and Bradley scenes were really good. And, um, I really hope it gets a third season. I’m, I’m Googling out to see, uh, if it has been renewed.

[01:05:16] Um, but, um, it has not been renewed yet. Um, but I’m really hoping that it, that it will, um, uh,

[01:05:27] Brett: it seems like a decent property for apple based

[01:05:30] Christina: I mean, I think

[01:05:30] so.

[01:05:31] Brett: promo anyway.

[01:05:32] Christina: Oh, no, totally. And, and it gets them prestige. I think the problem is I’m pretty sure that the, I I’m pretty sure it was 150 million a season or something like I’m I’m I’m I, you know what I mean?

[01:05:42] Like, it wasn’t an extremely expensive show. Um,

[01:05:45] again, without having spoilers, one of the main cast members, they wouldn’t have to have, you know, pay any more, but like, I think that Anniston and, and, and Wetherspoon are each getting like 2 million an episode. So

[01:05:58] Brett: Damn.

[01:05:59] Christina: yeah. [01:06:00] So

[01:06:00] Brett: million an episode.

[01:06:02] Christina: seriously, I was just want 2 million but like it’s.

[01:06:06] Brett: Just give me one episode. I’m good.

[01:06:08] Christina: Yeah. Um, so I, I really feel like, um, I hope that they do it. I think it’ll just come down to, I don’t like, it was definitely the prestige play and they did get some Emmy nominations and some wins, but I don’t, we’ll have to see, um, I hope that I hope that they, they bring them back. Cause I really, really like.

[01:06:29] Um, but yeah.

[01:06:32] Brett: All right. Well, this has been fun. Happy

[01:06:35] Saturday.

[01:06:36] Christina: happy Saturday. And

[01:06:38] Brett: glad

[01:06:38] you survived Thanksgiving.

[01:06:39] Christina: Thank you. Thank you. Sorry for being emotional earlier, but, um,

[01:06:43] Brett: That’s what we’re, we’re all here for you. It’s

[01:06:45] Christina: Thank you. I appreciate it. Um, I’m glad that, uh, that, that, uh, the gang was able to, uh, uh, the gang does a sponsor for the episode, was able to go off without a hitch. That, that, that would be the title.

[01:06:56] And, and it’s always sunny parlance,

[01:06:58] Brett: Yes. We went with [01:07:00] confusing erections,

[01:07:01] Christina: which is even better. I

[01:07:03] Brett: which is also, also, uh, the gang gets confusing. Erections would be the, uh,

[01:07:08] Christina: it would be this, they always

[01:07:09] Brett: reference areas.

[01:07:11] Christina: Uh, that is probably a show that um, that L does not like I was going to

[01:07:16] Brett: is not Apelles Elza alley.

[01:07:20] Christina: one of my favorites, but I, but see, these are good things to know. Yeah, I do. Okay, You can definitely watch it with a belt with her though, so, okay.

[01:07:26] Brett: cool. Cool, cool. Uh, have a great week or Santa

[01:07:31] Christina: Thanks Brett, get some sleep.

[01:07:32] Brett: get some sleep.