259: The One With Bryan Guffey

The volunteer CEO of the queer fraternity Delta Lambda Phi is in the house. Bryan Guffey joins the show to talk Netflix controversy, content creation, and JIRA. And that very real fraternity.

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Overtired 259

[00:00:00] Christina: You’re listening to Overtired. I’m Christina Warren here as always with Mr. Brett Terpstra and also here with Brian Guffey. What’s up, what’s up everybody?

[00:00:13] Brett: uh, I asked Brian how, how we should introduce them. And they said, uh, an Atlassian admin by day, a nerd, pretty much all the time, a person with a lot of ADHD and anxiety and the volunteer CEO of the queer fraternity, Delta Lambda, Phi that’s that’s uh, yeah, I feel like that probably is all we need to know about.

[00:00:39] Bryan: Yeah, I mean, you’ll learn more.

[00:00:41] Greek Life

[00:00:41] Christina: think so. I think so. Um, so, uh, queer fraternity, um, I’m assuming this is, this is like, not like an official part of like the, is it a F is it an official Panasonic system or is it like a. Like w how, how does that work? The queer fraternity.

[00:00:59] Bryan: No, [00:01:00] absolutely. It is. Um, the, it isn’t an IC fraternity, so we’re part of the north American Interfraternity council. So that’s where a lot of the big kind of fraternities are.

[00:01:10] Christina: Yep. Okay. Awesome.

[00:01:11] Bryan: Yeah. 18, 18 chapters across the United States and Canada. And we’ve been around since 1986.

[00:01:18] Christina: That’s awesome. That’s really awesome. Yeah. And that’s right. Nick is the fraternity thing. I was thinking sorority, which is the Panasonic, um, think, cause cause there were like various Brett didn’t do Greek life. So he doesn’t know, but like there are, cause there’s like a difference, like co-ed fraternities, aren’t real fraternities.

[00:01:33] Like, you know what I mean? They are, but they’re but they’re not. Yeah. So, so that’s that’s so that’s really cool. That’s awesome. So you’re the volunteer CEO. I had a sorority within my sorority, um, Epsilon Zeta. So, so we were Epsilon Zeta 80th data, which is easy home. Um, which I still think is probably the most.

[00:01:55] Well, one of the most clever, like things I’ve ever come up with, especially since I’m, I’m fairly certain, I [00:02:00] was pretty drunk when I came up with that, but we were basically, I was alpha Delta, but we, um, had our sorority within our sorority, which was basically the girls who would like get drunk in the car, like during like meetings and like planning, like, like, you know, offsite, retreat things, you know, getting ready for, for, um, you know, Russians and stuff.

[00:02:21] Like we were like, we cannot handle these bitches sober. So we would like go to the car to like, get drunk. So that’s that was,

[00:02:28] Bryan: I was definitely the other side of like, I was president for two and a half years of my tap there

[00:02:34] Christina: Oh yeah, no, I was, I mean, I, I was financial vice-president. Um, so that was so that honestly, well, look, I was good with the numbers

[00:02:43] Brett: of course you were.

[00:02:44] Christina: even, I didn’t even want to join a sorority. They were just really nice to me. And they kept taking me clubbing and I was like, damn it. And then my mom got so excited.

[00:02:52] Bryan: Most people who join Greek life had no, uh, illusions of joining it in the first place. They get surprised by it.

[00:02:59] Brett: Oh [00:03:00] my, my frat membership was a total accident, but if, if, uh, if, uh, if a co-ed frat isn’t a real fresh. And assuming a queer frat, uh, is not just CIS males is a queer frat or real frat

[00:03:16] Bryan: so.

[00:03:16] Christina: it’s in the national north American inner fraternity conference.

[00:03:20] Bryan: Yeah. One of the things that is there, I don’t think there are any coed fraternities in and I see, but DLP is definitely the closest to it specifically because, and this is actually because of us, honestly, um, we got NIC to redefine their sort of gender parameter parameters. So they’re still, they still consider assignments fraternity, but every fraternity has the right to define what man means to them.

[00:03:45] And to us, it really means basically anybody who, well, almost anybody and anybody, but not as this woman actually, which is, we’re not like worried about CIS women running and knocking down our doors. Honestly, they have

[00:03:57] Brett: sure.

[00:03:58] Christina: Right, right. Totally.

[00:03:59] Bryan: but we [00:04:00] have a lot of, yeah, well maybe, I don’t know. That’s a good question.

[00:04:03] We throw really

[00:04:04] Christina: actually, you know what? I don’t think that’s true because the frats can have, uh, can have alcohol at their events. So,

[00:04:09] Bryan: Oh, yeah, that’s true. Very good point. Um, so yeah, um, we just, uh, really had a lot of members who specifically this started with like a lot of trans men who wanted to join DLP. And then we got a lot of people who joined DLP, who then transitioned to be trans women. And then we had, I mean, I, myself am non-binary I guess, actually a gender recently, gender change, uh, pronoun stay them.

[00:04:34] Um, but yeah, so we just were like, what we really want to do is expand this. So that’s what we did. It’s been pretty cool.

[00:04:42] Christina: That’s odd. That’s actually.

[00:04:44] Bryan: health is our number one concern too.

[00:04:46] Brett: I believe that I think mental health in the queer community are very tightly knit.

[00:04:52] Bryan: Yep. I agree.

[00:04:55] Brett: I, uh, we didn’t have any Pratts at art school.

[00:04:58] Bryan: Where’d you go to school [00:05:00] or art school?

[00:05:00] Brett: Yeah. I went to Minneapolis college of art and design and CAD.

[00:05:05] Bryan: Yup.

[00:05:06] Brett: There was a lot of heroin and, and zero Greek.

[00:05:10] Speaking of Heroin

[00:05:10] Bryan: Speaking of heroin, actually, I’ve been watching for the first time Archer.

[00:05:16] Brett: Oh my God. It’s so good.

[00:05:19] Bryan: It is. It is. I didn’t think I was worried that it was going to be one of those satirical shows about assholes that just became like the show itself. Was it like about assholes, but it’s really funny. Yeah, exactly.

[00:05:35] Brett: Um, yeah, no Archer Archer gets, gets it’s super good for like five seasons. And then it goes off the rails and is actually even better. They spend a couple of seasons where all of the characters are different characters inside of like coma fantasy lands, where nothing is the same. And they somehow manage to [00:06:00] pull off continuity through like entire seasons in coma land.

[00:06:06] It’s amazing. It’s so good.

[00:06:08] Bryan: I cannot wait. We’re in season four and we just started season five, I think. Yeah.

[00:06:15] Christina: now I’m sad. I’m reminded that Jessica Walter died. And so now I’m sad.

[00:06:18] Brett: Yeah, the, the, it kind of, I had no idea until after an episode, uh, in the last season, it said in loving memory of Jessica Walter and I had to go to Google because I hadn’t, I didn’t know. Yeah. That’s very sad. And they, they wrote her off beautifully in Archer.

[00:06:38] Christina: nice. Okay. Cause I haven’t I’ve I I’ll be honest. I’m like years

[00:06:40] Brett: She, she retires to a beach, uh, with, with the Cadillac salesmen and, and the sunsets. And, and she’s, I, I did not know while it was happening, that they were writing off a dead character, but they did it well. Um, so, uh, I’m told by the [00:07:00] discord a that, that I shouldn’t. Uh, shows that glorify cops. It wasn’t said specifically, but it was insinuated that I, that watching cop shows is bad except for Brooklyn nine nine, for whatever reason.

[00:07:16] Um, I’m not gonna, I’m not gonna go into my defense of castle, but I’m told that really goes off the rails about six seasons in, so,

[00:07:25] Christina: Yeah, it does well, but this is why I don’t think it’s the glorification of cops it’s because Nathan Fillion is an asshole and, uh, yeah, unfortunately, um, it, it he’s, he’s like one of like the three kind of like just beaten people. Who’s been like, very like, like he he’s back Jospin and Josephine’s a piece of shit.

[00:07:44] Um, and it’s also Alyson Hannigan who sucks and her husband who’s Wesley. So all three of them like, look, I can enjoy their work, but they all suck. Um, but he and the actress who played like his like partner or whatever, he, they, they hated each other. Like they hated each other [00:08:00] and they couldn’t be like, um, civil shepherd and Bruce Willis who were much more famous and like on a much bigger show and be adults and do it.

[00:08:10] And instead he basically like. Required that she get fired and be written off, like for the, like, after like the, what ended up being the final season. And instead the show just didn’t get renewed.

[00:08:23] Brett: Yeah, that’s too bad. It’s, it’s totally replaced Chuck for me as like just the show after a rough day, especially like, if I haven’t slept well and I just don’t have the, uh, fortitude to watch a thinker, uh, I just am defaulting to took castle on. I don’t have anything else to replace it yet.

[00:08:48] Bryan: I just want to,

[00:08:48] Christina: it’s fine. Sorry, go on.

[00:08:49] Bryan: I just want to reiterate also my love for Chuck. Uh, I love that show so much and was so sad when it was over. Um, I, [00:09:00] yeah, I just, one of my favorite shows, I was also thinking about the fact that like, gathers so many people that work with Josh, Sweden, especially men that turned out to be trash.

[00:09:08] Like Adam Baldwin, another one, like my goodness, I guess we shouldn’t really be surprised that that happened in Josh Sweden’s orbit.

[00:09:18] Christina: no, we probably shouldn’t. But, but there were some people who like, who who’ve said nice things like, um, um, uh, what’s his face spike was very kind and spoke up and so did, um, um, uh, David Brianna’s and some other, you know, people. So, but yeah,

[00:09:32] Bryan: oh, David um, got to say a great show to watch. What is the show that he’s in with? Um, uh, Emily Dyson

[00:09:41] Christina: also stir, uh, yeah. Oh, oh God. What is that show? Um, uh, it was, fuck,

[00:09:46] Brett: radio gold. I love it when we can’t figure shit out.

[00:09:49] Christina: know. No I, no, no, no,

[00:09:50] Bryan: bone,

[00:09:50] Christina: Uh, bones,

[00:09:52] Bryan: I would recommend bones breath. Bones is a really good, just fun

[00:09:56] Brett: Isn’t that a cop

[00:09:57] Bryan: of like

[00:09:58] Brett: Am I supposed to stop watching cop[00:10:00]

[00:10:00] Christina: No, you’re not. No. It’s FBI investigators. Look, I’m sorry. It’s a, it’s a, it’s a standard trope of television. And if you’re telling me I have to give up Barney Miller and homicide and the wire and like some good ass shit, I’m not doing it. Like, it doesn’t mean I support the police, but

[00:10:15] Brett: Yeah, that’s it. That’s the thing is I am able to entirely support defunding the police and be opposed to police in general and, uh, be a prison abolitionist and still get into the character driven comedies and dramas around, uh, cop life.

[00:10:35] Bryan: I would love it. Yeah.

[00:10:36] Christina: show.

[00:10:37] Bryan: Right. I would love cop shows. I would love cop shows even more. If there were no cops, honestly, it’d be like the perfect.

[00:10:45] Christina: Honestly, and some of the best ones, like have very little to do with, I mean, I think that’s why Brooklyn nine, nine probably gets a pass. Um, is, is that like, you know, so little of it has to do with the actual act of policing, you know, like they’re in the station, but it’s, [00:11:00] it’s kind of like, you know, like all the shows in the nineties, like took place in like, uh, they were magazine publishers or whatever, and nobody ever wrote a damn thing or published a magazine, you know, it’s, it’s just scenery.

[00:11:11] Bryan: Yeah. Nobody’s telling us to stop watching madman.

[00:11:14] Christina: Right. And, and if they did I, and if they did, I’d be like, fuck off.

[00:11:18] Bryan: Yeah. And I really do think, yeah. Tell him to fuck off. I agree. And I, like, I really do think it’s important to think about the way that art influences us to see. I mean, one of the things about those cops shows is they sort of allow us to draw the distinctions between what’s shown on television versus what happens in real life.

[00:11:39] So without that example, uh, there would be less opportunity for criticism.

[00:11:45] Christina: Right. Right. And I mean, and I think in some cases, some of them, like you have, like, again, I’ve mentioned this before. Um, but I homicide life on the street is one of the greatest television shows ever. And, and the wire is two and both of them are [00:12:00] not like they’re. I mean, the wire especially is like an indictment of the entire drug system, as much as it is anything else.

[00:12:06] It’s certainly not celebratory of, you know, um, undercover, um, officers, even though like you sympathize with them, it’s certainly not glorifying. I don’t think any of the work in homicide is kind of the same thing where like you see kind of how tortured and fucked up the process is. Both when people get away, get away with stuff.

[00:12:23] And also when they’re able to convince people who maybe didn’t do something to, you know, confess or, or they used already tactics, like it’s one of those things where at least for me, like, I feel like a, like you said, it does allow for more criticism. And I think in some cases it does a better job of actually portraying, like how messed up these systems are.

[00:12:42] Bryan: Yes. Great example of that is the shield.

[00:12:46] Christina: Yes. Yes. Yes.

[00:12:48] Bryan: with Michael checklist. Oh my goodness. FX,

[00:12:53] Christina: Affects man.

[00:12:54] Brett: Let’s uh,

[00:12:54] Bryan: great.

[00:12:55] Brett: let’s talk about Netflix. How about Netflix?

[00:12:58] Bryan: Uh,

[00:12:59] Brett: Uh,[00:13:00]

[00:13:00] Bryan: I managed

[00:13:01] Christina: we want to do.

[00:13:01] Bryan: Netflix

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[00:15:51] Bryan: Oh, absolutely. You know, that 200% of zero is amazing.

[00:15:56] Christina: It really is.

[00:15:57] Brett: 150, then we’ll [00:16:00] negotiate after the show. Um, so, so there’s this thing like, uh, um, I’m currently feeling, uh, I’m not gonna stop watching Netflix, but I understand that the controversy is very frustrating to a lot of people. Um, Brian, do you want to describe the controversy so we can talk about it either way?

[00:16:25] (Never) About Dave

[00:16:25] Bryan: Yeah, sure. Absolutely. So as many people know, Dave Chappelle released a new stand-up special and it was pretty successful. We know his last special. Um, his first special back to Netflix was really big. And, uh, once again, Dave goes right in on a trans people and he specifically talks about how he is team turf, um, and aligns himself directly with Jake Harout JK rally others.

[00:16:57] There was a Twitter thread that [00:17:00] was posted by an employee of Netflix. Her name is, uh, Tara field and Tara, uh, toxic has, I’ve actually talked about this a couple of years ago when they released the Netflix released the last special of Chappelle’s and the idea about impact versus a fence, um, and basically called out Netflix to some degree for the idea that. It has no effect on society when it should, when it chooses to promote or give a platform to ideas like Dave Chappelle now, Ted Sarandos replied to this. And because it became a really, a big thing, got big on Twitter, blew up. And, uh, there was some controversy because Ted Sarandos, the co CEO of Netflix originally sent an internal memo.

[00:17:52] That was like, yeah, we know. But also, you know, we promote a lot of queer stuff too. [00:18:00] And also Dave Chappelle’s last, uh, special beat us, lots of money. And so people didn’t like that. It was kind of tone deaf. Then he went on TV and kind of do the same thing. And then there was a walkout, uh, on Wednesday from trans employees at Netflix.

[00:18:15] So that’s sort of where we are right now. I mean, Christine, I don’t know if there’s anything you want to fill in. I’m sure you’ve been paying attention to this, to.

[00:18:22] Christina: Yeah, no, I’ve definitely been paying attention. Um, uh, so-so Tara and three other employees. I think the one thing, the reason for the walkout was that after the thread went viral, there was a meeting that would tell that was just for like director level employees or, or hire, um, it, it was their, their, I guests like quarterly, like, um, uh, QBR there, there, uh, quarterly business review meeting and, uh, Tara and these three other employee, or these two other employees joined, um, the meeting, they were, they were given a link.

[00:18:51] Um, uh, they took that as being, you know, I’ve been invited to this. Um, they were then suspended temporarily. They were [00:19:00] very quickly reinstated, um, uh, and, um, The, sorry. I think, I think her pronouns, are she sorry? Um, she was quickly taken off a suspension, but there they were temporarily, uh, the, all the employees were temporarily, you know, um, suspended for an investigation for basically like violating, like for, for joining the meeting.

[00:19:18] They weren’t supposed to have access to, even though they didn’t disrupt the meeting, even though they didn’t like have any, you know, they didn’t say anything. They were on mute the whole time. And even though Netflix is a really transparent company and releases, you know, all the findings of this stuff after the fact.

[00:19:33] And so that was what kind of led to people were thinking, well, was the suspension because of the Twitter thread or was it, you know, other things. Uh, and, and so that was kind of what led to, uh, the walkout. So that’s, I think that’s maybe the only other thing

[00:19:47] Bryan: Yeah. And then pumping, I think that also happened there was that then also Netflix fired the person who organized the walkout. Now we’re not saying that they fired them because of the walkout, [00:20:00] but, uh, Netflix says that they suspected that that organizer who was a black trans woman, uh, a black trans person leaked metrics about the special to this, to the press.

[00:20:11] So there’s a lot of pieces going on there.

[00:20:15] Christina: There’s a lot of pieces going on there. The one thing I will say about the leaking the data stuff, I have a feeling that if Netflix is going to do that, cause if it was for any way organizing, that would be a straight NLRB violation. Um, I don’t know what happened. I’m not a lawyer. I wasn’t there.

[00:20:29] I will say that. That seems pretty cut and dry. I also think that it’s pretty cut and dry that they would be able to Netflix would be able to tell if someone leaked something or not. A lot of times. People who leak things are not very smart about how they do it. Even if they work at big tech companies, they’re just not.

[00:20:44] Um, and so I don’t know what the situation with that was. I will say if you’re giving, like, cause there was specific information that was in a Bloomberg article that was like confidential. If, if you’re, and I don’t know if the person did this or not, but if you are leaking information, [00:21:00] whether you’re organizing or not, like personally, I feel like that’s a pretty fair thing to be fired for.

[00:21:06] Bryan: We’ll also maybe take some tips from the people at apple, because it seems like Tim cook can’t figure out who they are,

[00:21:12] Christina: Yeah. Although, although I don’t think they’ve been as, I mean, I know who they are, so Tim cook I’m sure does. So I don’t, I’m not even getting into that,

[00:21:20] Bryan: yeah.

[00:21:20] Christina: I don’t even want to touch that, but yeah, yeah,

[00:21:23] Brett: So, what is the, what’s the resolution here? Um, like they’re not going to pull this special. They’ve already handled it poorly. So the current controversy, what, what is the resolution?

[00:21:37] Bryan: Well, I think it’s important to note that the Tara also released a post on medium called

[00:21:43] Brett: It was never

[00:21:44] Bryan: about Dave.

[00:21:45] Brett: Sorry. I was just reading.

[00:21:47] Bryan: Yeah, absolutely. And I think, um, for anybody it’s a great piece to read, to sort of think about the concepts behind this and what folks are really asking for. And I mean, [00:22:00] the, also the folks who organize the walkout did release demands, um, and those demands are generally pretty.

[00:22:09] Like standard. They include like having more folks at the top of Netflix who are trans and queer director level and above, um, like letting, like putting warnings in front of specials that promote transphobia so that people are aware that it’s in there and then promoting queer stuff alongside those, uh, those, those pieces so that people do see the alt the alternative, um, uh, opinions.

[00:22:36] Brett: that, I mean, I like that that’s great is if, if, like, if we accept the premise that having the special there does harm does having, uh, opposing content cancel out that harm?

[00:22:54] Bryan: No,

[00:22:55] Brett: No.

[00:22:56] Christina: I know, I don’t think so, but I think it’s also, I don’t know, I’m, I’m in a [00:23:00] conflicted state cause I, I certainly don’t agree with, with Dave’s comments in the, in the special, I also pretty strongly feel like it’s really fine line. If you start getting employees who are not involved in editorial decisions or content decisions, making demands about what type of content can or can’t be on that flux because in my opinion, and as we’ve seen in past history, that can go the other direction real quick.

[00:23:25] Um, so I’m not in favor of removing the special at all feel like they approved it, it fit their content guidelines. I w and I was very, I got a lot of blow back when I said this. I was very angry when Netflix removed a scene from, um, 13 reasons why that, um, uh, was a very graphic depiction of suicide, very graphic.

[00:23:45] And I’m not saying that it wasn’t, but it was, it was very graphic, but that whole show, the whole premise of that show is about teen suicide. And a lot of people were very angry about that and said, there were studies that were then debunked that said, oh, it’s, you know, increased, you [00:24:00] know, um, uh, suicide ideation and whatnot.

[00:24:03] And they wound up like two years after the first season, we’re moving a scene at the, the season valley. The first season. I was pretty, I was opposed to that because in my opinion, You made a content decision, you need to stand behind it. I don’t like the retroactively going back and removing it because a study came out that that made you look bad and you’re trying to appeal to someone.

[00:24:25] Um, and, and again, also I think that when you make those sorts of decisions, it makes it very easy, uh, to then, uh, hit more marginalized groups, frankly. And I think that historically they will hit the more marginalized groups, way more disproportionately. If you start to make those sorts of content decisions.

[00:24:41] So I’m not in favor of moving as special, they made, they made the decision to do it. And I feel like that’s just kind of one of those things, like you need to own your shit, but I do feel like. There does need to be a much broader understanding and a discussion and maybe some honesty from the company about why they’re making the content decisions they’re making.

[00:24:59] And [00:25:00] if you’re making them, because it’s strictly about money and about yours and audience, and this is who you’re going after that, I think you need to be direct and say that, and not also try to have the platitudes of, we care so much about diversity and inclusion because you don’t, and that’s okay if you don’t like me personally, I’m completely okay.

[00:25:17] If as a company or a network or whatever you want to say, I’m not down with that, but I’m not okay with is when you pretend to care about it and then make decisions with your content about money that go against that.

[00:25:31] Bryan: Yeah, I agree. In fact, one of the big things that Tara pointed out is that she was co uh, VP of the trans ERG inside Netflix and. I mean, and we know this companies like Amazon, like Microsoft, like Netflix have even my company, we recently started employee resource groups. Like they have these big resource groups that are literally like they’re funded and supported by the business and they give people a voice and they give them [00:26:00] an opportunity to a degree.

[00:26:02] But then you have these situations like you have here where we’re at a level where people are not in the room where the people making the editorial decisions don’t look like me or Christina. Honestly, they look a lot like brat and there’s a lot of, and so things simply aren’t considered it is once again, like you said, Christina, it’s about what, why do you make the decision in the first place?

[00:26:23] And who are you going to be? Like, what does that mean about who you are because of that? Because if you’re just going to chase profits, you can’t, you cannot. But like pretend to have morals on top of that. Um, the only company that I know that’s ever been really good at that, um, they don’t chase profits and that company as, or as much is Ben and Jerry’s and even they’ve not been perfect, you know?

[00:26:47] And so, um, there are there’s tension if you’re going to choose not to give up, uh, money, uh, for morals. And that is a choice that you can make.

[00:26:56] Brett: This has been fun.

[00:26:59] Bryan: Yeah,[00:27:00]

[00:27:00] Not About Dave (and the fuck is a Brony?)

[00:27:00] Brett: I spaced out a little bit. Okay. I got, I got a little bit of the ADHD I heard, I heard you say that a bunch of people look like me by which I assume you meant devilishly handsome. Um, devilishly handsome. CIS white males.

[00:27:16] Bryan: Yes, actually probably 110% is that is correct. There are probably devilishly handsome. I don’t, well, Ted Sarandos actually looks a lot like Ted Cruz, which is really funny. Um, I

[00:27:28] Christina: That’s so

[00:27:29] Bryan: of him and I was like, wow, but it’s true.

[00:27:31] Brett: devilishly handsome.

[00:27:33] Bryan: That’s why I was like, Hmm. Maybe not always true, but yeah.

[00:27:36] Um, and it’s wild that this is happening at the same time that Netflix is having this huge breakout hit with squid game,

[00:27:42] Brett: Have you

[00:27:43] Bryan: you know, and there’s all of the, I’ve not yet. It’s on my list to watch.

[00:27:47] Christina: I haven’t either. So none of us have watched it. I, there there’ve been too many other things to watch, but I will watch it. I’m sure.

[00:27:52] Bryan: Also my boyfriend, um, knows Japanese and so I was learning Japanese. And so he struggles a lot to watch [00:28:00] things in Korean because he’s still like learning Japanese. So he won’t be able to focus because he’s trying to like figure out what they’re saying because it’s kind of close, but not exactly.

[00:28:08] Brett: is Korean similar to Japanese? I didn’t know that.

[00:28:12] Bryan: Apparently I don’t know.

[00:28:13] Brett: Huh? Interesting. Interesting. Um, yeah, we’ll have to do a reunion episode once we’ve all seen squid game.

[00:28:22] Bryan: Oh, I’m down for that. I hear it. I hear it’s absolutely wild.

[00:28:27] Brett: Uh, when, uh, actually a was subbing for Christina. Last time she. She was into squid game and, and just want to eat in the pre-show. Anyway, she was super, uh, adamant that I, I watch it. So I’m going to have to eventually.

[00:28:43] Bryan: Nathan’s a lot like you, he doesn’t like to watch more than one, maybe two new things a night, and then just likes to watch things that he doesn’t really have to think about too much. I, on the other hand only want to consume new content to all of the time.

[00:28:56] Brett: I I’ve developed this really bad habit with castle. [00:29:00] Uh, like I play on my phone while I watch TV. I think, I think probably 70% of adults do this. Um, but I tend to get distracted by an email right at the beginning of a castle episode, just long enough to miss the entire exposition. And then I spend the rest of the episode trying to figure out what the murder is that they’re solving, which kind of makes it more challenging and fun.

[00:29:30] But I think it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s detrimental to the idea of a comfort show to really make yourself work like that.

[00:29:37] Christina: Yeah, I think that’s right.

[00:29:39] Brett: Yeah.

[00:29:40] Bryan: You could rewind it, Brett.

[00:29:43] Christina: Yeah. But that’s, that’s a whole thing. I don’t know. I’m doing like, like CSI’s becoming my comfort show right now and it’s kind of the same thing. I’m kind of like, I just want to know in the background, I just, I don’t need, I don’t want to have to like pay close attention

[00:29:56] Brett: Yeah, I don’t there. The idea of rewinding a show [00:30:00] that I’m just watching to kind of relax too. It feels, it feels like even more work. Uh, I don’t know why, but my brain really rebels again. Like I set out, I have an hour, I’m going to watch an hour long show to like add 15 minutes to that feels like a real, real slug.

[00:30:19] I don’t know.

[00:30:21] Bryan: That’s a fair point. I, um, yeah, I don’t really have conference shows because I don’t watch TV in that time. Really like watching it to watch something new.

[00:30:31] Brett: one of you’re part of that. 30% of it.

[00:30:34] Bryan: yeah, I am. I also still play on my phone and mostly miss parts of it, but my.

[00:30:39] Christina: I do that too. And then I do this thing now, and this is so bad where I’ll like, we’ll picture and picture works on more apps. Now, especially now it works on YouTube, which is great. But a lot of times I’ll like be playing an app on my phone, on my iPad or whatever, while I’m watching a show on something else. So sometimes I have my iPad next to me and I’m playing on my phone and like, that’s [00:31:00] just, that’s just the dumbest thing.

[00:31:02] Bryan: but it’s also very ADHD.

[00:31:04] Christina: Oh no. It’s like P ADHD, 100%.

[00:31:07] Bryan: Yeah. I can’t, it’s really funny. I can’t do anything around the house without listening to podcasts. Like you gotta go make breakfast, put on a podcast. Can I take a shower, put on a podcast? You need to do any sort of work around the house. It’s podcast time. It’s literally the thing that like gets me to clean the house because otherwise it just feels like the worst, most impossible task in the entire world.

[00:31:26] But if I have my friends in my ear,

[00:31:28] Brett: Um, I I’m logging into YouTube right now. Cause I found this new YouTube that I have to tell you about. Um, and I thought I subscribed, but she’s not in my subscriptions. Um, is it Jenny Nicholson? Yes.

[00:31:42] Christina: Oh, she’s awesome. I love her.

[00:31:44] Brett: her. She, she is super funny, but if you’re not paying attention, you would never know it because literally every like biting remarks, she makes she, she does it dead pan and it’s like a throwaway line if she just immediately moves on, uh, [00:32:00] she,

[00:32:00] Christina: her, her thing on her thing on a dear. Evan Hansen was so

[00:32:03] Brett: I haven’t seen that one. Um,

[00:32:05] Bryan: I have to check

[00:32:06] Brett: she just like, she has like a two hour video on the vampire diaries that

[00:32:10] Christina: Yes. And it was

[00:32:11] Brett: like, I don’t, I don’t have time for that, but I watch her like a 10 to 30 minute videos and I find her hilarious.

[00:32:20] Bryan: I see the Evan Hanson one and the vampire diaries. I don’t know what it is, but watching long YouTube videos seems nearly impossible for me. Like it’s just very overwhelming.

[00:32:30] Christina: No it is, but yeah, but, but no, she’s good. She did. Um, uh, actually the first person I ever saw was she did like a, uh, it’s called, uh, the last Brony con a fandom autopsy. And, um, it was, uh, I I’ve never really followed any of the, my little pony, you know, Roney stuff. I don’t care about any of that, but I’m, I’m extremely online.

[00:32:51] So I’m of course aware of it. And apparently she was like Brony famous because when she was in high school or college or [00:33:00] something, like she made some animated fan series and done a lot of the voices in Britain, original songs and stuff for it. So she’d actually been to some of the conventions and stuff, like as, you know, one of those people.

[00:33:09] So her perspective was really interesting. And, um, even though it was like an even though like you, like it’s an hour and 11 minutes long. How the hell am I gonna watch this? Um, it was like remarkably riveting. So yeah, I’m a big fan.

[00:33:23] Bryan: I have a friend over fraternity brother. We aren’t exactly friends, but he is a PhD in sociology who has literally literally studied Bronies.

[00:33:33] Christina: Amazing,

[00:33:34] Bryan: know it’s absolutely wild

[00:33:36] Brett: are Bronies?

[00:33:37] Christina: uh, male fans of my little pony.

[00:33:39] Bryan: and specific like bros

[00:33:41] Christina: Yeah. Break bros. It started on, it started on like four Shan and then they kind of like took over the Phantom and that’s actually part of her interesting, like commentary on it because she’d been a fan of like the original series and the step, like, I guess the nineties, like as a little girl, like she was really into this, you know, as like a little girl.

[00:33:56] And so she was excited about the reboot and then she would go into like [00:34:00] these spaces, which was all about ponies and then suddenly became very male dominated and was in some ways like people would act like if they didn’t know who she was, they would like almost try to be like, you’re not a real fan, you know?

[00:34:12] And she’s like, she’s like, who the fuck are you? Like.

[00:34:15] Bryan: This is my little pony.

[00:34:17] Christina: this is my little pony I’ve been here since I was six. And also she also had the butterflies that they didn’t know where like she, you know, done the span, like very, very like awesome, like animated, like, like they did a lot of work to make their own, um, like, uh, you know, um, computer animated stuff with Aboriginal music and shit.

[00:34:37] Like, so she was actually legit part of the fandom, but she’d have like these, these dudes, these bros, these, whatever, these, you know, for Shannon, like people who like it started out as irony. And then they really liked it. Who would be like, no, you’re, you’re, you’re not hardcore enough. You’re not, you’re not real, you know, like gatekeeping her.

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[00:36:42] Bryan: Give me your license plate now.

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[00:36:49] Bryan: Absolutely. I love TextExpander.

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[00:36:51] Christina: yeah.

[00:36:53] Before we move on from YouTube…

[00:36:53] Bryan: Um, before we move on from YouTube, I wanted to just shout out, uh, one thing that’s happening. I don’t know. I’m sure. Christina, you [00:37:00] remember sailor J um, yes, she made all of the contouring videos. Um, and then all of her stuff was ripped off from YouTube and just people literally put it all over tick tock when tick-tock was getting big she’s back.

[00:37:14] She now has a Patriot and she’s putting her content behind a Patriot. And so that people can’t as easily steal it. So I saw the.

[00:37:22] Christina: will, but that’s awesome.

[00:37:24] Bryan: Yeah. She also was on a, what was that show that came back? Um, ah, man, another great, uh, content stuff, but she was on the show. Tacara Smith. Um, not for auto.

[00:37:42] Christina: Okay.

[00:37:42] Bryan: Yeah. She’s in Nosferatu and then she, yeah, she just started making video content again.

[00:37:49] And so that’s really exciting. I hit that, uh, be a patron button very quickly. Cause her account content with some of the best stuff I’d ever watched on YouTube.

[00:37:58] Brett: Speaking

[00:37:58] Christina: no, her content was great.[00:38:00]

[00:38:00] Brett: um, I

[00:38:01] Bryan: drop those.

[00:38:02] Brett: have a segue. I’m sorry. I didn’t mean to interrupt anyone,

[00:38:05] Bryan: That’s okay.

[00:38:06] Christina: I was just saying that’s

[00:38:06] Bryan: Every time you say I have a segway, I think of somebody riding effect way. Like all the time we had a director at college, like the head of our student life had a segway and she would ride it around the student union all of the time.

[00:38:20] Brett: was I met was on a segue. Um, um, um, speaking of content, I heard you have a new podcast coming up.

[00:38:31] Bryan: I do have a new podcast coming out. Um, it’s really exciting. Uh, it’s called unsolicited fatties. Talk about. And it is a, an exploration of, uh, really we start with advice, columns, and we review like old advice columns that, uh, give advice to people about how to deal with issues around anti-fat illness, but from a fat liberation lens, this all popped off from an original dear prudence column [00:39:00] where somebody was like, my friends, my friends are really into body positivity and they don’t seem to like that.

[00:39:05] I’m going to the gym all of the time and talking about my weight loss. And so, um, and like, of course the comments on the dear prudence column were like not great. So we took that and reinterpreted it in our first podcast, which drops on Halloween. I’m really excited to have some really great people straight from like people who study this.

[00:39:25] Like, and, um, my friend also Deshaun Harrison, who just released a book, the belly of the beast, which is about anti-blackness or anti fatness as an anti-blackness. So really excited about that.

[00:39:36] Brett: I had a, I had a guest on Systematic before it’s long hiatus, uh, who was a professor, a and a Crusader for, uh, fat rights, I guess, uh, fat. I can’t remember what the name of the movement was, but, um, fat liberation. Yes. Um, so, so I got a, I got a [00:40:00] bit of, uh, an introduction to, uh, we talked a lot about, uh, what’s wrong, especially in America’s medical center.

[00:40:09] Uh, and it’s the way it treats fat people. I find it very interesting. I’m not, um, I’m technically obese. I’m not, I’m not abnormal. I don’t think I don’t feel terribly discriminated against for my own weight. Uh, but I see it’s opened my eyes to, to the way a lot of other people are treated.

[00:40:31] Bryan: Yeah. I mean, we could actually start with the fact that most fat people, uh, I don’t like the word obese, the term obese is considered a slur. Um, yeah, because I mean, it is a medical term, but there’s this idea that medical terms can’t be slurs, but like, we can talk about the fact that idiot used to be a medical term and that is definitely a slur.

[00:40:54] And so they’re really the definition of a slur, I think is, does [00:41:00] it is like, is it used to affectively oppress people or group a set of make a group of people that it’s okay to look down on to some degree. And I think that’s what happens with the word obese. You could have that same conversation and just talk about people being fat.

[00:41:14] But for some reason, we like created this other term and there’s the other great podcasts. I recommend people listen to his maintenance phase. That’s a phenomenal podcast with, uh, I always forget his name, but the guy who’s on you’re wrong about, uh, the host there.

[00:41:32] Brett: which they’re retiring, but anyway, go

[00:41:34] Bryan: Yeah, he is retiring from there, but yeah.

[00:41:36] Um, it, you know, I’ve been fat for a lot of my life. I’m 65, I’m about 400 pounds. Um, I carry it well, but like, I’m not a small person. Uh, and also like, my mother had a lot of issues with her weight. So she like started putting me in a weight Watchers at like the age of like 14 and stuff. So yeah, a lot of issues around weight, [00:42:00] but, uh, it was really interesting to me from the fat liberation movement, which is really just like, can you let fat people be treated like everybody else?

[00:42:08] Because I think a lot of people don’t understand the way that fat people, if we go to doctors, um, and things we literally, I like will get just told to lose weight instead of

[00:42:20] Brett: everything is everything is as a, as a result of your weight and you get no other medical insight.

[00:42:26] Christina: Right.

[00:42:27] Bryan: Yeah, the number of people, I was just reading recently about somebody who like literally had a tumor, like for three years in her body, but the doctors just kept telling her to lose weight and they wouldn’t do scans and things like that.

[00:42:40] I was literally recently at the doctor and this is the doctor who I was, you know, I was thinking it was Okta actually is a doctor who’s like through one of those concierge medicine services. They’re supposed to be really nice and good. And we’ve had the conversation about how I’m like, I’m not in here for weight loss.

[00:42:57] I want to be healthy. I want to make sure my all, like all of [00:43:00] my, you know, metabolic or my blood work is good. And he goes, well, you know, if you’re interested in losing weight, there is this pill you can cap. And I’m like, absolutely not. You know, even like, even that after we just realized, he was like, wow, your blood pressure is amazing.

[00:43:15] Like here he is offering me a weight loss

[00:43:17] Brett: what was the pill?

[00:43:18] Bryan: I don’t even know. I didn’t even get him to tell me what the name was. Cause I didn’t want to hear it. Or I may have blocked it out. I don’t know.

[00:43:24] Brett: I want to try.

[00:43:25] Bryan: I mean, honestly, you learn. I mean, a lot of that stuff is just speed in so

[00:43:30] Christina: Yeah. A lot of it is a lot of it is, although there are things, um, uh, you know, to where, like, you have to be careful because if you are over, like, if your BMI and BMI isn’t a perfect metric, but if it’s over a certain thing, in some cases, like they don’t actually like, you shouldn’t be prescribing people, those sorts of pills.

[00:43:46] Right. Like that can actually be really bad. So, but, but, but, but, um, but, but I know what you’re talking about. Like, uh, cause my, my husband deals with that a lot where he’ll go to doctors and like the very first thing that they want to focus on is the [00:44:00] weight and, and oftentimes. You know, and I think this is why, um, he and I, well, we have different experiences and I guess, different perceptions of doctors for lots of reasons.

[00:44:09] Our, our childhoods were really different. Um, I have a helicopter parent and his mom was more like free range, um, for one, but also just because I am a thin person and with the exception of like a, like a 18 month period of my life, I’ve always been at the opposite end of the spectrum where, and I was often talked to about weight, but it was insinuated that I had an eating disorder when I didn’t, um, uh, which is also very harmful.

[00:44:36] Um, uh, the, the societal differences are obviously different, but it, it’s not good either way. Like, I definitely can say that, like my medical concerns have been taken more seriously. Um, just because of, of that, which is completely unfair.

[00:44:52] Bryan: Well, yeah. And that’s part of Antifa. I mean, like all of that is a part of anti-blackness, right? Like it’s this idea that the best thing to be, um, to some [00:45:00] degree is as soon as you can be, and then until you’re too thin and, but then it’s just about weight. Like we’re not asking, how are you? Like, how is your heart rate or anything like that?

[00:45:10] It’s just like, what do you look like? And it’s, yeah. It’s pretty terrible.

[00:45:15] Never too late for Mental Health Corner

[00:45:15] Brett: Can we, uh, can we do a mental health corner?

[00:45:18] Christina: Yes.

[00:45:19] Brett: God, this is all reminding me. I had a, I had a psych appointment this week. Um, well, I’ve had more frequent manic episodes. Uh, listeners will be over. Um, so I mentioned this to my doctor and she immediately, uh, she lowered my focal in dosage, which it’s cool if it, if, if it keeps me from getting manic that’s, that’s cool.

[00:45:40] I’ll take less Focalin. Um, she raised my, the, the staffers that I’m on that like is my mood stabilizer, um, up to that. And now I’m waiting to see what the effects are. I have to check back in in two weeks and she also ordered this whole panel of [00:46:00] screenings and testings that I have to go do. I have to get EKG, GS and S and neuro appointments.

[00:46:06] And that’s super stressful to me. I like freaked out after that appointment. Just the fact that next visit I have to go in. In person, I’ve been doing video telehealth and I have to go in, in person so they can check my blood pressure. And I’m so scared to have people check my blood pressure. That as soon as I see the blood pressure cuff, my blood pressure shoots up, it never goes well.

[00:46:31] So that’s my mental health corner. It’s um, I’m a little nervous.

[00:46:35] Christina: can understand that a question for, for both of you, um, have either of you received, um, the booster

[00:46:41] Brett: No, is it available to me? I don’t know that it’s available to me yet.

[00:46:45] Christina: Oh yeah. No, it’s valid everybody. Like they, they claim that like you need to be over 65 or have an extenuating condition, but every medical professional that I’ve talked to says that it’s just like before the name of the game is getting, um, uh, shots in arms. So if [00:47:00] you Madonna just got approved. So if you had mudra, if you had Madrona, you can now get that, um, Pfizer has been approved for awhile and they just approved, um, that if you needed to mix and match, you could.

[00:47:10] So if you had like Madrona, you could get Pfizer. They’re not recommending that necessarily, but they’re saying like, if that’s what happened or if like, if you had Johnson, Johnson, you could get a booster of one of the other ones. So they just prove that, um, I haven’t hit six months yet. I think. Well, actually, no, I just hit six months.

[00:47:25] Um, but I’m going to try to, to get it like next week, I think before I go to Atlanta for.

[00:47:30] Bryan: Today’s my two week anniversary from being boots.

[00:47:35] Christina: Awesome. Congrats.

[00:47:36] Bryan: but I, there was actually my worst experience of all of my vaccinations ever, because I had to go into a grocery store here in California and like wait for an hour before I could get the shot. And the thing about me is I literally have not been anywhere.

[00:47:53] And that was my first time in a grocery store in over a year, over two years old.

[00:47:57] Brett: Where have you been

[00:47:58] Bryan: Um, since the pandemic started, [00:48:00] oh, just getting them picked up or delivered. We did delivery for awhile. Um, and we had to use like this specific company because, uh, my boyfriend was like, we are not using Instacart or any of those in California because they fought to remove the gig workers from protections in California for employees.

[00:48:19] Um, so there’s this one company that actually allows you basically allows people to set up their own, like little businesses doing it. And they get all, they get the whole cut of everything. So we use that for a while, but it was pretty expensive. Um, but then our Albertsons nearby started doing, you could just drive up and then put it in your car.

[00:48:36] So that’s what we do now. I’ll probably let him go back into a grocery store here. Probably like in about a couple of months. I really haven’t been outside. Honestly. I’ll be seeing my parents in two weeks and that’ll be the first time that I will have spent extended time with anyone since I moved to California last year.

[00:48:57] Christina: Oh, my God.

[00:48:58] Bryan: Yeah,

[00:48:58] Brett: I’ve gotten so [00:49:00] used to the curbside pickup that even though some restaurants are open now, I still just order curbside pickup. Um, I tried to order sushi last night. I did eventually order sushi last night, but to check out of the online ordering, you have to confirm your, uh, phone number and you, you, you, you can’t store your user.

[00:49:24] You have to confirm it every time you order. And it was sending the confirmation, uh, number the co the, the, to have a code, uh, about 30 seconds after the timer would run out. And I spent half an hour trying to get it to time correctly so that I could enter the code and verify my phone number. It was, I don’t know what’s wrong with their system, or if it’s my phone, I don’t know, but it’s not the first time this has had.

[00:49:53] This is just old people problems. I’m sorry.

[00:49:56] Bryan: no, it’s okay. I mean,

[00:49:57] Christina: no, no, no. It’s good. It’s good. [00:50:00] No, I am. No, that’s really, um, um, uh, so I’ve, I’ve gone up more, although I still like, not a lot, but, um, yeah, I need to get, I need to get my booster. Um, and I mean, I get everything delivered,

[00:50:13] Bryan: Yeah, I want to be clear. Like I haven’t gone out because I have extreme illness, anxiety. Like it’s one of my big mental health things. Um, like over this past year is when I started taking lots of like anxiety meds. I had never taken them before, even though I’d been diagnosed with anxiety previously. Um, so like, that’s been a big thing for me from the mental health perspective.

[00:50:37] Like almost every day for a long time, it was like, is this weird tickle in my throat? COVID even like now, even now we get, like, we got taco bell yesterday

[00:50:46] Christina: I love taco bell.

[00:50:48] Bryan: and they have these, the new, like they have these new tacos that like are just really creamy. And so like, you don’t even need sauce on them and they taste amazing. Um, it’s amazing. [00:51:00] And sometimes I will

[00:51:01] Christina: about breakfast now.

[00:51:02] Bryan: do it. I will think about. I will worry that I will somehow be able to get COVID from the packaging, even though I know, like, it’s literally never, but like, there’s been no cases that way ever, but like, my brain is like, well, maybe it could be you.

[00:51:20] That is the person that it happens to. So yeah, it’s been a mess. And then I’m also from a mental health perspective. We’re playing with my ADHD meds again, after like years and years and years, I’ve been on Strattera for like forever. Um, but I love my job now, which we’ll get into in a minute. Um, was having more trouble focusing.

[00:51:41] And so now we’ve started to swap in some Adderall and drop down the amount of Strattera. So, you know, like every three weeks meeting with the psychiatrist, doing all of that, playing the fun game of getting your meds the last day that’s possible because they won’t give it to you any earlier because it’s a schedule, one drug, all of that fun stuff, but it [00:52:00] seems to be working with them, having a better amount of focus at work.

[00:52:04] I struggle because I’ll run into the situation where like, I’m going, going, going until about one in the afternoon. And then my brain is like, uh, work is why would you work? And then it’s like one to four before I could, before I like, feel like doing work again. And then sometimes I make it back to my desk.

[00:52:22] Christina: so my whole thing is so, um, my anxiety and stuff has been worse because of COVID, but I found that because I’ve like been inside more, that’s made it worse. So like I’m such a social person and I really do thrive on like being around people that like I’m having an out force myself, like whether I want to, or not to just like get out more, because it’s really bad for me to be like, confined.

[00:52:44] Like it’s, it’s been really, really bad for my mental health, like really bad.

[00:52:48] Bryan: Yeah. I didn’t realize that until I moved here. Like I was at home for most of the first year by myself and really moved to California, like to [00:53:00] live with my boyfriend initially, like as a test run. And we’re just going to do it over the holidays because I didn’t want to be in Ohio between the election and the inauguration as a black person.

[00:53:10] Christina: Yeah, I don’t really know.

[00:53:11] Bryan: Yeah. Um, I mean, I’m in the desert of California in Kern county, which is, uh, Kevin McCarthy’s county. So it’s like, not that much better. Um, but, uh, I got here and it was like a giant weight off my shoulders. I didn’t realize how lonely. Like at all, they’re like, and my, my boyfriend sometimes gets annoyed.

[00:53:29] Cause he’s very much like a loner he’s comfortable being alone and I’ll just like, knock on his door being like, I just wanted to say hi, can I sit in here? This one was sitting here while you play video games. Yeah.

[00:53:41] Christina: Yeah.

[00:53:42] Brett: We should talk

[00:53:42] Bryan: Which we now

[00:53:43] The moment you’ve been waiting for: JIRA TALK

[00:53:43] Brett: we should talk about Jarrow all we have in that last hand guy here is Juris low, or is Oracle’s JIRA slow.

[00:53:52] Bryan: Oracle’s JIRA is slow.

[00:53:53] Brett: It’s so slow.

[00:53:54] Bryan: And I can say this because we just did an upgrade on our job and it’s [00:54:00] so much faster. So we read, we were having like crashes every day. I, it was, it was such a mess. And our company was like behind in terms of where things were. It was, we were not a current version, but now that we’re on the latest, almost latest version of JIRA, everything is so much faster.

[00:54:17] Brett: I got it. I got to talk to whoever the powers that would determine this are, I think it’s a combination of the VPN and, uh, just horrible install. Everything on the VPN is horribly slow.

[00:54:30] Christina: Yeah. That’s been like a constant for you. Is that, I don’t know, like if you’re far away from like a note or like what, or if it’s like, however their config is, but that’s been like a frequent complaint that you’ve had. Is that everything that VPN is

[00:54:44] Brett: Well, and so I’m working with Victor. I’m sidetracked already, but I’m working with Victor and he keeps he’s logged onto the VPN. And while he’s logged on with like any connect, instead of through our clever little Docker solution, he can’t pull [00:55:00] from GitHub like command line, get doesn’t work when he’s on VPN.

[00:55:05] It’s very frustrating.

[00:55:07] Christina: and, and, and he’s on a Mac weird, cause I could understand, but with like a windows thing, because windows get as weird, but that is, uh huh.

[00:55:18] Brett: So the only thing that has made JIRA at all bearable for me is we’ve moved all of our like content production issues into a Kanban board. And, and now I can just click a like w on one page without having to like, go between issue pages. I can just click an issue, uh, edit, change that as, uh, attributes and then drag it from column to column.

[00:55:48] And it’s so much nicer.

[00:55:50] Bryan: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, as we said, as we were talking offline, JIRA is the worst of all of like is terrible, except for every other, like [00:56:00] one of these solutions out there, you know, it, the things like, like Atlassian is doing this thing where they’re, they’re ending their server licensing and making you move to either tape their data center product, which is basically server, but allows you, like, it’s the only supported way to do like a high availability.

[00:56:18] And it’s like three times as expensive, or they’re trying to force you to cloud because that’s what they really want you to do is move on to their cloud service so they can have everything, you know, operating revenue and they’re getting billed you’re, they’re billing you every month. Um, and it’s. So I think at minimum cloud is twice as expensive as server.

[00:56:35] So it’s like a huge jump and everything. Everything in JIRA, everything is a plugin. Everything is an add on, and it’s also written in Java and I don’t like, I don’t really program. I’m trying to learn a Brett, we’re going to have a conversation and Christina about like, what is the language I should learn?

[00:56:54] Um,

[00:56:55] Brett: We just did that last week. Didn’t we?

[00:56:58] Christina: did we did,

[00:56:58] Bryan: JavaScript. [00:57:00] Excellent.

[00:57:00] Christina: JavaScript.

[00:57:01] Bryan: Um, but yeah, like trying to read Java stack traces is like the worst thing in the entire world. It’s so bad, especially when you don’t know what you’re trying to do. Oh my God. It was it’s the worst.

[00:57:13] Brett: Can I just, uh, we talked last week about I term. And one of the things I term can do is you can put a red Jax in and it will watch all command line output for that red jacks. And you can have it do different things when it spots it. So you can put in a pattern that will match, like say, uh, if you like, I’ve been working on a Ruby apps lately.

[00:57:38] And if, uh, if a Ruby up throws an exception, it’ll list the file, uh, where, and, and the line number like colon line number. So I have, I term just watch four lines that match that it pops them up in a little capture window on the side, and I can just click them to open that file to that line number. It’s so cool.

[00:57:58] Christina: Wow.

[00:57:59] Bryan: That’s right.[00:58:00]

[00:58:00] Brett: Yeah,

[00:58:00] Christina: That’s ordeal.

[00:58:01] Brett: you just have an eye term podcast.

[00:58:04] Christina: I mean, I, I would be down for a terminal podcast, honestly. Like I talk about like the various clients, like I term obviously is like the, you know, uh, goat, but, but a windows terminal is good and then there’s a laxity and like, there are others, you know, so I would be down for like, just having like a podcast about

[00:58:21] Brett: You know what my favorite command line thing is right now, it’s kind of command line, uh, like I’m working on a CLI and, uh, I finally, I’ve never been good at writing tests. Uh, I, I, I go too fast and I don’t read enough tasks, but for doing, I have written, I have 87 tests with a hundred something assertions and I can, I’m like refactoring the whole thing right now.

[00:58:48] And I can, I can just make all my changes, uh, confirm that the command I was working on works and then just run a test and it goes through and confirms that I didn’t break anything else. And it’s [00:59:00] this sense of security that I rarely have when I write apps, I got a test more.

[00:59:06] Bryan: You should you in Casey, Alicia, talk about this Casey list is like the ultimate, you know, evangelists of tests.

[00:59:14] Christina: Yeah, he is. Yeah, that would, I would actually, I would, I would listen to the testing show,

[00:59:18] Bryan: Oh, absolutely.

[00:59:19] Christina: pot that, uh, like, uh, um,

[00:59:22] Brett: I have to figure out Youi testing because like, for an app, like marked I can test that. It’s like the processors are working, but the processors are primarily like multi markdown and discount and they’re gonna work. Uh, it’s interface stuff that I always tend to break. And I don’t know how to write a test that I won’t go into it, but I ha I have a lot to learn about testing. I love these moments of silence we have

[00:59:51] Christina: I know, I was just trying to think of like, if I have any, I can’t say anything about

[00:59:55] Brett: that’s

[00:59:55] Bryan: No, me either. I was like

[00:59:56] Brett: Yeah, no, it’s okay. We’re we’re at an hour. I feel like, I feel [01:00:00] like we’ve, we’ve done a good show. Oh, Hey. Before we

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[01:01:16] Get some sleep

[01:01:16] Brett: Thank you. You’re awesome. What a great guest doing, doing ad reads for us?

[01:01:21] Christina: I know you’re genuinely like, but you’re a

[01:01:24] Brett: You’re on the list to be invited back. You are, you are not, you’re not on the list with the Nancy Kerrigan folks. You are, you are on the new

[01:01:34] Christina: not. Yeah. You’re you’re on the good list. You’re you’re not on the list of, of assholes. Christina invited

[01:01:40] Bryan: We don’t. We, yeah, we didn’t even get to Azure and math books and Spotify, but like who surprised?

[01:01:48] Christina: I know because we had so much other stuff to talk about. This is what we’re going to have to have you back again.

[01:01:52] Bryan: Totally down. I absolutely love that. And honestly, I’m learning to like getting up early. I don’t know why, but it’s true.

[01:01:58] Brett: So where can people watch [01:02:00] for a, for your new.

[01:02:02] Bryan: So you can watch for our new podcast@eitherinstagram.com unsolicited FTB or on Twitter. We’re also at unsolicited FTB.

[01:02:12] Brett: Oh, that’s such a long word.

[01:02:14] Bryan: I know

[01:02:16] Brett: Unsolicited. What’s the initials.

[01:02:18] Bryan: F T B as in boy. Yeah. Fatty stock back.

[01:02:24] Brett: Gotcha. All right. Awesome. Thank you for being here, Brian, Christina, always a pleasure. Uh, you, you guys get some sleep?

[01:02:33] Christina: Get some sleep.

[01:02:34] Bryan: Get some sleep.