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Overtired 260


[00:00:00] Chapter I

[00:00:00] Brett: Hey there, you’re listening to Overtired. I’m Brett Terpstra. I’m here with Christina Warren and returning special guest Aaron Dawson. How are you ladies?

[00:00:14] Erin: Doing fine. Doing fine. Hello. It’s it’s Aaron it’s me from before the pods favorite guest

[00:00:21] Brett: You may remember me from such podcasts as Overtired.

[00:00:26] Christina: Exactly. We’re very happy to have you back.

[00:00:28] Erin: Thank you happy to be here,

[00:00:30] Brett: Is there even any bachelor news to talk about?

[00:00:33] Christina: Uh, this is just this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, what do you want to talk about with bachelor? Because there is a lot of stuff.

[00:00:41] Brett: let’s, let’s ease into this. I let that, I brought it up. I know, like I, I did that. That was my fault, but let’s, let’s ease into the bachelor conversation.

[00:00:53] Erin: fine.

[00:00:54] Brett: Fine. So what, like, what is what’s going on in the world? These.[00:01:00]

[00:01:00] That’s So Meta

[00:01:00] Christina: Um, well, uh, Facebook is, uh, is attempting to rebrand itself. They announced that their big, uh, Facebook connect conference that, um, the company name, um, they’re, they’re doing an umbrella company strategy kind of like, you know, alphabet. Yeah. Where, where that’s now going to be Metta.

[00:01:19] Brett: nobody knows who alphabet is like I under, I know, I know, but you can’t say alphabet,

[00:01:25] Christina: can’t. It doesn’t.

[00:01:26] Brett: that rebranding? Like, why are we doing this?

[00:01:28] Christina: This is a whole argument. I’m in getting into a people on Twitter because these rebranding never works. Like Altea, uh, everyone is still calls it Philip Morris, right? Like you, you never call, um, even though the, the, the sub-companies, but then alphabet it’s all Google, right? The stocks on bolt is still Google.

[00:01:47] Like these things don’t work. Like when, when Netflix tried to rebrand one of their products Quickster I think it lasted like a week. Um, I was, I was, uh, talking about this on Twitter. Like the only actual [00:02:00] successful time I can ever recall was Accenture. And that was because Arthur Anderson went out of business.

[00:02:06] So, um, for people who don’t know, um, Arthur Anderson used to be one of the big. Um, like accounting firms and they were probably the biggest and because of their, uh, involvement with the Enron scandal, they wound up going out of business. Um, first I think the government said they could not operate. And then once the government said that they could operate, they’re basically dead, but they took Arthur Anderson consulting, which had been a massive part of it.

[00:02:31] And they renamed that Accenture and that obviously still lives on today, but that’s one of the only examples I can think of. You sometimes see the inverse where like a company that’s known for something like a research in motion was known as Blackberry. So they renamed themselves Blackberry, but like, we still call like P Diddy puffy.

[00:02:50] Like, you know what I mean? And it’s been 20 years. So yeah, this, this, I think that’s their attempt to get away from the genocide, but it’s still gonna be [00:03:00] Facebook.

[00:03:00] Brett: Yeah. We’re the brand names like Google and Facebook and even, I mean, Philip Morris is still Philip Morris. Like you can’t, you can’t unbrand something that got that big.

[00:03:12] Christina: No, no people still call the Sears tower, the Sears tower and tears hasn’t helped the naming rights in like a really long time, but nobody will.

[00:03:19] Brett: now? CNN.

[00:03:21] Christina: even, I can’t even remember. Um, I’m, I’m looking this up, uh, Sears tower, Willis tower. Who, who the hell knows what that is. So like it’s. Yeah, exactly. So it’s the Sears tower, the, uh, the MetLife building on a 23rd street in, in New York city, um, near where I used to work will always be the Pan-Am building and like, pan am, I think when under like about the time I was born.

[00:03:44] So, you know what I mean? It’s like one of those things like the, these, the, and I think they lost the naming rights to the building even before the company went under. So some of this stuff is just it’s inevitable. Right. But also I feel like the jokes write themselves with them trying to call themselves [00:04:00] Metta because they’re so into the metaverse and like, you’ve already ruined this reality.

[00:04:03] Now you’re trying to ruin the next one.

[00:04:05] Brett: What is the metaverse

[00:04:09] Christina: Um,

[00:04:10] Brett: does that mean?

[00:04:11] Christina: I mean, it’s a bunch of bullshit, but I think the idea is that if you’re interconnected through like virtual communities and virtual realities and other sorts of, of things is kind of the idea there basically,

[00:04:23] Brett: internet.

[00:04:24] Christina: I mean kind of accepted, there’s like a virtual like, component where like, you know, you’d have like avatars and stuff that they’re basically trying to make second life a thing, but you know,

[00:04:34] Brett: Oh, is that what didn’t didn’t uh, uh, what’s his name? Mark Zuckerberg. To some commercial where he appeared as like an avatar. I saw he did like an interview as an avatar.

[00:04:46] Christina: Or something like that. Yeah.

[00:04:47] Brett: Yeah.

[00:04:49] Erin: It was during, uh, Pandemic, which as we know, is, is over with, I think it was the, the, they didn’t didn’t Facebook Metta, uh, [00:05:00] develop a kind of work from home or remote work. Um, yeah. Yeah, Like a metaverse where you have an avatar, is that where you were just talking about Christina and, and he showed up? Yeah,

[00:05:15] Christina: yeah, yeah, yeah, no. And, and, and that’s no, but you, you described it better than I did, so yeah. Like that’s exactly what they’re trying to kind of do. Yeah. It’s just such a weird thing. I was, I was also commenting that, like, this feels like the worst sort of like satirical, scifi, cyber punk, novel ever, because I feel like if you wrote a story that was like, okay, we have this company, that’s basically ruined humanity, but now they’re going to rebrand and they’re wanting to recreate, they’re wanting to create their own universe.

[00:05:40] And, and, but they’ll be the ones in charge of it. Like people would be like, that’s an O in the, and they’re, they’re going to call themselves Metta. I feel like people will be like, eh, that’s a little too on the nose, even for a second.

[00:05:50] Brett: Do you think that the, the, the company named motto was available or they sick? Army of lawyers on somebody.

[00:05:58] Christina: Um,

[00:05:59] Brett: There’s no [00:06:00] way that was available.

[00:06:01] Christina: I’m sure that it’s not, I’m sure they had to pay a bunch of money for the website, but I mean, I think you can, you pretty much oftentimes name your, your company. Anything you want, like

[00:06:11] Brett: I think within, within a state, I think you have to, when you register a company name, I think you have to have it, at least for the, the corporate identity. You have to have a unique name,

[00:06:20] Christina: Right. And that, I’m not sure how that works cause like, um, alphabet I’m sure. You know what I mean? Like a lot of these things are, are, are more generic. So I don’t know if there’s like a weird thing with, with how it’s, you know, like maybe they add like a, you know, a certain thing to it or whatever.

[00:06:35] Like again, like they do own mehta.com and it redirects to about.facebook.com/meta. So they don’t even have like their URL rewriting to mete.com yet, which is funny. Um, but yeah, I mean, I’m sure they had to pay a bunch of money for that. I was looking into it. They have the stock symbol FB, which is a good one.

[00:06:51] It’s a two name symbol. There is already a symbol. It’s not on the New York stock exchange or NASDAQ, but there is already a meta, um, symbol. [00:07:00] And so that makes me think, okay, they’re probably going to be like Google, who didn’t ever change their stock symbol. It’s still Gog. So, um, like, like, um, research emotion, which was Blackberry, they did change their stock symbol to, um, um, BB M R Y, but usually.

[00:07:20] I don’t know. I mean, it was probably a mix there aren’t many of these things that, that try, like, I don’t know if Altea Philip Morris probably did change their stock symbol, but, um, I don’t know, a Facebook is going to be like, I wouldn’t give up F be like, that’s a good one. Right? Like, you’ve got that two letter domain name.

[00:07:35] You got a two letter stock symbol, like, as we’ve seen from various Twitter hacks, the teens will seriously hack you to try to get your two letter or a single, you know, like or letter or like username. Like they, they love the OGE usernames. So I, if I were Facebook, I wouldn’t give that up.

[00:07:54] Erin: But why deny this? The precious. Uh, universe we can [00:08:00] build if F B was used by a fourth company, a forthcoming company called fuck boy. Right. And it would

[00:08:08] Christina: Right. Oh,

[00:08:09] Erin: in NASDAQ. Kevin also, I don’t know, maybe this can really turn things around for Facebook. Um, like what if JC Penney’s and Sears pulled this move?

[00:08:20] Maybe things could be different for them.

[00:08:23] Christina: I mean maybe, maybe, I mean, usually it doesn’t work. I try. So I, it was funny cause people were trying to, well, actually me when I was commenting that these things never work. And I was like, I’ve actually done research on this because when Ashley Madison had their breach, um, I wrote a, uh, my initial headline from Asheville was Ashley.

[00:08:41] Madison is fucked, which I still think is a great headline. Um, and it was changed at the last one. I got approval for it. And, and this was back mashville curses now, but they did not curse five years ago and or six years ago, whenever this was, um, written and, and instead, uh, one of my [00:09:00] editors and he was right, he kept the slug the same, but he changed it to Ashley.

[00:09:02] Madison is so screwed, but I did research on companies that have attempted this sort of rebranding thing. And sometimes, you know, for, for Blake. Crisis reasons. And sometimes it works, but usually like AirTran went out of business anyway. Like I still call it value jet. Right. Like I, you know, I mean, uh, this is for people from the south who remember a certain airlines, somebody pointed out like the, the exception that proves the rule, which would be Verizon, which, um, was formerly bell Atlantic and, and that’s, but it does kind of prove the rule.

[00:09:33] A funny story here, funny aside here. So, um, when 18 T was split up, cause they had all the baby bells, bell, south bell, Atlantic bell, you know, Pacific, um, you know, Southwestern bell, all that sort of stuff. Um, bell south then became singular and Cingular bought up a bunch of the other baby bells and was huge.

[00:09:51] And they wound up acquiring, um, 18 T wireless, which was not associated with the original at T and T. And as soon as they acquired the [00:10:00] smaller company, the CEO of singular who had. For at T and T before the breakup days, like his very first move, like within days of the deal closing, was he renamed the company at T and T and we’d be like, why he was like, why would, why would we not?

[00:10:14] You know? And it was just kind of funny. It was like, yep. Even though bell, south, and even at that point, singular was like a well-known name, you know, they’re like, but at, and T is better,

[00:10:23] Brett: I have a question. So, and maybe the answer to this is, is just the obvious one. Um, I’m hoping it’s not what a product or service does this fictitious fuckboy company provides.

[00:10:38] Christina: Oh, that’s a good question. Also a fun fact also. Yeah. Please tell us, but I did want to point out to people if you go to fuckboy.com, so F U C K B O y.com. It redirects to someone’s Twitter page. And I want to I’m following him now, just because of that redirect.

[00:10:53] Brett: Do you think, do you think he made the redirect or someone

[00:10:56] Christina: Oh, that’s such a,

[00:10:57] Brett: him?

[00:10:58] Christina: honestly, I don’t even care. [00:11:00] I’m I’m but that’s a great, I’m going to do a, who is on that right now, but sorry, please tell us the services that fuckboy, um, the entity would sell Erin. Cause I want to know those two.

[00:11:09] Erin: Well, before I get to that, I have to admit that I only brought up the JC Penny’s thing because I wanted to riff on alternative names for JC Penney and Sears. So it would be like, you know, PJ Nichols, or it could be.

[00:11:24] Christina: PJ Nicole’s

[00:11:25] Erin: I don’t know. All right, this is, I’m not going to go anywhere with this bit, but, but for the fuck boy thing, all right, what you’re going to get is you’re going to go, you’re going to invest in fuck boy.

[00:11:35] And as a thank you, the board is going to send you a fuck boy for a period of, uh, of, of two and a half hours or the fuck boys choosing could be all night. And I’m in

[00:11:49] Brett: Minimum minimum two and a half.

[00:11:51] Erin: Right, right, right, right. And in a sort of, um, chip and Dale’s inspired sartorial vibe, they [00:12:00] will wear, um, minimum clothes, but be bedecked with accessories.

[00:12:07] I don’t know if that’s the word. Um, but basically what they’ll do is they’ll bring over some grapes, put them in your fridge. And feed them to you sometimes, but they’ll also talk to you about, um, like the ion a sphere and how like, um, distilled water is actually good for you. Um, and how water, when it goes into your body, looks for minerals.

[00:12:29] Um, And, and they’re really into, um, what, what’s the kind of like, um, it starts with an age and approach to science and food where you actually use the thing that you’re trying to avoid to cure the thing that you

[00:12:45] Christina: Oh. Oh, right, right, right. Yes. There you

[00:12:48] Erin: talk. Yeah. So they talked to you a lot about homeopathy and like who they’re fucking, and then they leave. And you look for your, your, your, like your nice necklace and it’s not [00:13:00] gone, but it, it, it is, it has been repositioned

[00:13:02] Brett: I will. I’ll be surprised if they ever go public. I just, I don’t see them needing that stock symbol.

[00:13:08] Christina: yeah, I, I, I feel, I feel the same way, unfortunately, although I think it’s a great idea. I also feel like fuck as a service would be something that I’m exactly, exactly right. CC instead of function, as a service fuckboy, as a service, I’m really into this being our, our fast, um, naming, right? Like I feel like there could be a whole thing there.

[00:13:28] Erin: Oh, my God. There’s a, there’s a, there’s a company within fuck boy, which is inner intermittent fasting. See where I’m going.

[00:13:37] Christina: Totally.

[00:13:37] Erin: All right.

[00:13:38] Brett: no, actually I didn’t get it yet. I just, I started laughing at the idea. So please explain it.

[00:13:45] Erin: Wow, God, fuck you, Brett. Um, yeah. So the idea is that, um, once, once you use the fuckboy service, you kind of become addicted. And like processed foods, they’re kind of designed [00:14:00] to addict you. They hijack the pleasure centers of your brain. And so what you can Do what they put you on in a kind of MLM scheme, um, is, is the kind of create a need for you.

[00:14:11] To tell others about the fuck by service in so doing you become addicted. And so this is when they, they offer you fast, which is like a way to wean yourself off and give the gift of the fuck boy service to other people. Any, any more questions

[00:14:28] Brett: you want to hear the band name? I came up.

[00:14:31] Erin: and.

[00:14:32] Brett: So like, okay. We talk, there was this conversation happening about naming things in my brain went off to this. Like I was talking with my girlfriend and she mentioned that she had talked to Steve from college. And a lot of times I think, oh, that’s a great band name.

[00:14:50] You know, when people are talking. And I think I’ll probably remember that, cause it’s a great band name, but this is the first time it’s ever actually happened. I want to name a band. Steve comma from [00:15:00] college. Punctuation is important. Steve camo from college. That’s that’s the big, I don’t know if it is. Is it a good, is it a good black metal name?

[00:15:09] Aaron

[00:15:10] Erin: It’s not a good black metal name. It’s a good, I don’t know, kind of.

[00:15:16] Brett: and sons.

[00:15:17] Erin: No, no, it’s not antebellum kind of civil war stuff. It’s pretty straight ahead in D uh, I have,

[00:15:23] Christina: say, that’s a good Indy name. I like Steve

[00:15:25] Brett: a math rock name.

[00:15:26] Erin: Okay. I’m going to think about that. I have a, I have a friend who’s in a band called Tony from bowling.

[00:15:31] Brett: I love

[00:15:32] Erin: Um, so the format works. Yeah. Yeah. I was thinking, and maybe Christina, you can give us your provisional, uh, that would make a good band name.

[00:15:42] What about this? And this could be a pretty vial pestilence filled like thrash band, but, um, seal PIs.

[00:15:56] Brett: I feel like you’re just taking two words and putting them together. [00:16:00]

[00:16:00] Erin: So what if I

[00:16:00] am, but seal PIs it’s it’s evocative. You, you can’t deny that

[00:16:06] Christina: It’s the bucket of, I don’t know, like, I feel like anything with, with like a piss kimono, I’m just, I’m I’m immediately kind of turned off. I mean, I guess it depends completely on the genre. Like if you were going after a certain genre where maybe that sort of thing fits, it’s definitely a bucket, but I’m just like, ah, you know, like.

[00:16:21] Erin: said you were turned. What I didn’t and I didn’t hear which way offer.

[00:16:25] Christina: Oh, I’m turned off. Yeah,

[00:16:27] Erin: Oh, that’s too

[00:16:27] Brett: one of my favorite bands back in the, uh, early, late nineties, I guess was called ass rash. Uh, and it was named because that was the one thing, the guy couldn’t say in front of his girlfriend without pissing her off, like, she was very permissive, but she hated the idea of ass rash. So that’s what he called his band.

[00:16:47] And that’s exactly like that attitude is exactly the kind of music they made and I loved it.

[00:16:54] Erin: And now they have 2.5 kids and.

[00:16:58] Brett: I haven’t followed.

[00:16:58] Erin: They’re still together.

[00:16:59] Brett: I [00:17:00] haven’t kept up.

[00:17:01] Christina: As rash.

[00:17:02] Brett: possible. I mean, anything’s possible.

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[00:19:25] BRETT’S Mental Health Corner

[00:19:25] Brett: Um, where were we? We were talking about naming bands. Like, so just so our listeners know, we, we, we, we often say that we didn’t have a list when we started the show. Like, we didn’t know what we were going to talk about. This was the most unprepared we have ever been.

[00:19:47] Like, I’m super curious to see what happens because I have no idea where this is going to go.

[00:19:54] Christina: Yeah, well, w we, we, we missed on Brett’s mental health core.

[00:19:58] Brett: Oh my

[00:19:58] Erin: I was just going to [00:20:00] say I wasn’t bred. If I, if I can say I was in a meeting with you earlier. And my immediate impression, um, when, when I saw your sweet little face pop up on my, uh, zoom application was. Seems tired. And so if we could move competently into this, this section of the podcast, I’d be curious to see if I was right.

[00:20:21] Brett: Yeah. So I like to call it the mental health corner. Christina calls it Brett’s mental health corner and I, I feel attacked.

[00:20:31] Christina: I mean, you, I think you were the one who started calling it, press mental health corner. I’d be happy to call it the mental health corner. But again, like, like we just talked about rebranding. I don’t know if that’s going to work. Like, obviously it’s not just about Brett, but it’s, it’s Brett’s mental health corner.

[00:20:44] That’s what it’s been for however many years.

[00:20:46] Brett: All right. So, so I like, I’m pretty stable, but not sleeping eight and a half hours a night. Like I prefer to, like, I keep waking up at like four or five and just [00:21:00] getting up. So I have this like long running, slightly tired. I’ve just, I haven’t felt awake in a couple of weeks. Um, I saw my shrink. I can’t remember if I had seen her last time we talked, but she lowered my, uh, ADHD meds.

[00:21:19] Christina: Right. I mean, we talked about that. How has that been

[00:21:22] Brett: It’s it’s fine. Like it still does the trick. Uh, but she also raised the mood stabilized at once and I haven’t, I haven’t gone manic, but it’s only been a week, two weeks. A week. Um, so it’s hard to say if it’s actually going to work yet, but I have another appointment with her coming up on, I think next, next, mid, next week I have to check in, I don’t know how much it would be able to tell her with only two weeks of experience, but oh, here’s hoping for the best

[00:21:57] Christina: All right. Fingers crossed there. Uh, Aaron, how about you? How’s [00:22:00] your.

[00:22:02] Erin: Thanks for asking. Um, Uh, it’s okay. Um, therapy’s been helping a lot, but maybe we’ve talked about this before, but the thing about therapy is that things kind of necessarily have to get worse before they get better. Um, so I’m, I’m in the trough of my brain, of my, of my gray matter right now, but, um, I’m sleeping. Okay.

[00:22:24] So that’s a big, not, not to, you know, sorry, Brett, but.

[00:22:27] Brett: bragger bragger.

[00:22:29] Christina: I’m glad. I’m glad. I’m glad you are. Mine is okay too. I’m I’m, I’m going out of town. Um, this weekend I leave on a red eye at like 10:00 PM tonight. So in like nine hours and, um, so I have to do laundry. Um, and, uh, I’m excited about that. I’m going to go to do Halloween with my, uh, six month old nephew and, um, see my parents.

[00:22:49] So I’m, I’m, that’s improved my, my mental health, you know, feeling like I’m excited to see people does, has anybody had the booster.

[00:22:58] Brett: No.

[00:22:59] Erin: No. [00:23:00]

[00:23:00] Christina: I’m going to look into that as soon as I get back, um, to figure out

[00:23:04] Erin: Yeah. Who knows if we’ll be able to I mean, we’re all approximately the same age. I think those over 65 can only get it right now. Right.

[00:23:12] Christina: No, it’s

[00:23:12] Erin: when that’s changing.

[00:23:13] Christina: it’s 65. And if you have any sort of underlying condition and so, so the thing is, is it, and it’s the honor system just like before. And although I like really went out of my way to like wait in line to be patient and all that shit last time. Fuck that the, I talked to you cause I volunteered at our mass, um, vaccination site, um, twice, uh, last time, in fact I did that, so I could get it early.

[00:23:36] Like I got it like two weeks early because of that. And um, from that process, like what they were telling us is they were like, the name of the game is getting shots in arms. Like that’s all it’s about. So if it’s available, especially since there are so many people who still don’t even have their first doses, fuck it.

[00:23:50] I’m, I’m getting my third shot. Like. not, especially since instance apply isn’t, you know, an issue like they’re, they’re only [00:24:00] claiming that like, you need to be, they’re saying six months and, you know, over 65 or under 65 with an underlying condition. They’re only saying that I think to just try to keep supply, you know, decent, but there there’s no reason medical reason why, like you couldn’t.

[00:24:19] Brett: I hope enough people are finally getting vaccinated that we could have a supply problem.

[00:24:24] Christina: no, I mean, I, I, that would be, I guess in theory I’d be good. I, I have a feeling that just because of how they’ve been able to do the manufacturing, I think that even if everybody were to get them, I think they have enough doses for literally everyone. Like, I, I don’t, I, I, so, you know, it’s at the point where, and a lot of other countries don’t the United States is very fortunate, unfortunately, and we’ve tried to send things to some of those other countries, unfortunately, And this is why maybe a global, you know, like organized response would have been better.

[00:24:54] A lot of those countries that don’t have supply had taken it upon themselves to [00:25:00] endorse and support a local vaccine. And so they, that was what their policy said. So it was like, okay, well you wanted your own, you didn’t want to, you know, go in and get stuff from other people. So, I mean, at this point I would like them to be able to pivot and accept or buy vaccines from other people, but they might not be able to write.

[00:25:18] They might’ve already paid, you know, the people who can’t deliver it, it it’s a whole clusterfuck, but I think that supply wise, at least in the United States, um, because we’re very fortunate. I think that it’s fine. So I feel zero guilt about figuring out how I can go into a Walgreens or Amazon and get it.

[00:25:35] Brett: If I recall correctly, ADHD is listed as an underlying condition that qualifies you, which seemed odd to me. Uh,

[00:25:43] Christina: it is, and it’s not. It’s like, if you look at certain things, they claim certain types of diseases could be something and it falls under that. But again, I was at the center, this was back when they were, you know, especially in Washington state, we were allotted. Um, hardcore [00:26:00] and like gatekeepery about who could have shots.

[00:26:02] Like we didn’t roll it out even to the, you know, a lot of people who had like cancer and stuff, didn’t even, weren’t even able to even able to get it until like March. Um, and so once it became more widely available, like literally what the, and this was the, the health experts, and this was the people running these centers, literally what they were like as they were like, the name of the game is shots in arms.

[00:26:21] So if you can get it, get it. And, and like I said, I played by the rules even though a lot of people didn’t, which I don’t blame them for. I’m not doing that again. Like, unless you could prove to me, like with evidence that there are a ton of people who want the booster and can’t get it, fuck that I’m getting the booster as soon as it’s, as soon as like, I can fit it into my

[00:26:40] Brett: Christina’s back and she’s mad. Yeah. Oh yeah. I, if I, if I was, if I was interacting with more actual live people on a daily basis, I would, I would, it would be top of mind for me, but I forget that it’s even an option because Jesus, I don’t see anybody.[00:27:00]

[00:27:00] Christina: Yeah, I will remind people though, to get your flu shot because, um, um, and, and you can get them both at the same time, although that might be kind of a shitty, you know, like your both arms will hurt,

[00:27:09] Brett: You can have two shitty days or one really shitty day.

[00:27:14] Christina: So, so even so, but I would just say like, even if you aren’t interested or you don’t feel like you need a booster right now, which is totally valid, get a flu shot because, uh, again, like, because people haven’t been out as much and whatnot, um, they don’t know how powerful flu is going to be this year, but it is one of those things because people are going out more, you know, you don’t want people to be like surprised and then, and then get the flu because the flu is, is deadly too.

[00:27:37] And, um, so yeah.

[00:27:40] Erin: I just, I just got mine the other day. Um, and I was happy. I did. Yeah. Brett, you mentioned not really seeing anyone much anymore. Um, and I’ve been thinking about. About that in my life. Like my, my partner last weekend, uh, once in New York to, um, help [00:28:00] with a prestigious art project, um, that I can’t name and won’t name because I, cause I do forget it.

[00:28:07] Um, and she was, and she was gone for the weekend. Um, and, and a little bit of Monday and as soon as she was, I just moved to and back to. Um, a new city. Um, I moved from Los Angeles to Pittsburgh and as soon as she left, um, the. Not so rational part of my brain was like, okay, when does, when does my phone overheat from all the texts and calls that I get?

[00:28:39] Like, where are, where are my friends Right.

[00:28:42] now? And, um, this is a rational because I I told none of them that my weekend was completely free, but it also made me think about like, am I have I become. A person, that person in a relationship [00:29:00] who really only hangs out with their partner or is it, is it COVID and, and friends are, as I have been as a friend, um, not just like less available, but much more unlikely to, to like initiate a hang or something, or is it both, um, either way, like, I feel compunction about.

[00:29:25] Brett: I feel like I know the answer to this, but are you an introvert? Do you self identify as introverted?

[00:29:32] Erin: Like, no, I don’t. And I used to, and this is something that’s been weird is as I, um, as I evolve as an adult, I am becoming more extroverted and, and, um, that was, that’s not who I used to be. Um, but no, I don’t identify as an introvert. I think that’s the first time I’m saying that.

[00:29:53] Brett: Huh? Yeah. I, I only hang out with my girlfriend and [00:30:00] hanging out with other people, even if I really liked them. It’s it pains me. I can go like maybe half an hour with someone I really like, uh, before I get like crabby and want them gone. And like my energy just runs out. I become more and more introverted as I’ve aged.

[00:30:19] Erin: Is there a hierarchy to that though? Like it is, If someone’s in the inner sanctum or the inner circle, you can maybe go for 45 minutes or an hour, like I’m going to make this weird cause I want to, um, Christina, and Brett, if you were getting a tea, would that rule apply for you Brett

[00:30:38] Brett: If

[00:30:38] Erin: or would that feeling?

[00:30:40] Yeah, just as a, as a, as a sample sample of.

[00:30:43] Brett: I don’t know. We’d have to test it. Like there have been times where I have been shocked that I lost track of time with somebody and, uh, like just, I wanted the conversation to keep going, like, uh, for whatever reason it hit the right buttons for me. [00:31:00] And I didn’t look at the clock. Uh, once by the time I realized that’s happening, though, it means I’ve already like.

[00:31:08] Christina: Right. You re reached that point. No, that’s an interesting thing. I’m kind of like you, Aaron, like as I’ve gotten older, I’ve become, I’m not an introvert. And I, I probably. All of my adult life. But, um, you know, for, since I guess probably my late teens, I wouldn’t classify myself that way. Growing up, there were periods where I would.

[00:31:27] Um, and, and there are, I’ve had, I’ve had times where I’ve had like agoraphobia and if I have periods of social anxiety as an adult that been really difficult, but I’m not an introvert, but what I found is, and part of the reason that kind of got me out of being an introvert and being a more extrovert person, although I like my alone time and I can definitely like I’m using myself and whatnot.

[00:31:46] And there are times when I’m exhausted after spending a ton of time with people. But I feel like that’s natural. I think even people that like get energy off of being with others, there’s a certain point where you’re like, okay, now I just need to decompress. Um, I feel like that is [00:32:00] fairly universal, but I have found that what helped that honestly was being around more and more people.

[00:32:05] And that’s the thing that’s. The pandemic so difficult for me is that I haven’t been around my friends. I haven’t been around people. And so I felt like I’ve gone more into this introverted place that I don’t like. And that I don’t think, at least for me it’s healthy. I mean, I think for some people it’s fine, but for me I’m much happier when I’m able to be with people and, and, uh, in person.

[00:32:27] Right. Like, I, I do get something out of that. I really enjoy it. My husband is way more introverted and, and that’s kind of a problem with us sometimes because I really like to go out with people. And so he oftentimes doesn’t come and, and, you know, and then there can be weirdness there, but I’m like, I’m at the point where I will not, not go, you know, and, and see people because, you know, uh, my partner doesn’t want to come with me, like, okay, if you don’t want to come, that’s completely fine.

[00:32:52] But like, I’m, I’m going to

[00:32:53] Erin: It’s a medicine.

[00:32:55] Brett: girlfriend has no expectation that I will accompany her anywhere. It’s always a [00:33:00] surprise if I decide to go, but she is just fine without me. It’s a,

[00:33:04] Christina: Which is, which I think is great. Right. Which I think is completely fine. Right. Like some, sometimes I think that people, like there can be awareness about it or whatever, but like in general, that is completely, you know, like I think. Okay. And, but for me, it is one of those weird things where I’m just like, Like you said, it’s my medicine.

[00:33:21] And so that’s been, what’s been so hard about the last 18 months has been that like I used to travel a lot. And one of the great things about going on international trips was that I got to see a different variety of people. I’d have some of the same people on most of the trips with me, but it was a different kind of variety.

[00:33:36] And you get to know people in a different way and, um, you know, and you, and you spend a lot of time together. It’s kind of like college and, you know, and I miss that. I miss being there, you know, I have a really good core group of friends that we have, uh, a group chat that we’re always in together. And we used to be able to see each other, even though we all live in different states, we used to be able to see each other fairly frequently, right?

[00:33:55] Like we usually saw each other at least once a month and not having that has been [00:34:00] really hard.

[00:34:00] Erin: Yeah. Yeah. I don’t know if, if, if we have to hear from one of our other sponsors in a second, but, but just to maybe close the loop on this, um, I have not been, uh, depressed since, uh, the pandemic started, but the flavor of depression that I have dictates that, and maybe Christina. You’re similar, is that, yeah, I, the, the exact thing that I need to get out of this thing is the exact thing that I do not want.

[00:34:28] It is the opposite of homeopathy. It’s it’s hetero Stacy. I don’t

[00:34:34] Christina: Exactly. Yeah, no, no. I know exactly, exactly. It goes against the, against the grain, like other than some periods where I had like very deep agoraphobia, which was weird and I didn’t know. And I, I went on some medication, some other things for that. Like, even though it is the uncomfortable thing is like, that’s why I have to do, I have to get out and talk to people, even when it kills me, because that’s going to make me feel better and that’s going to ultimately make me more able to talk to people and be able to be [00:35:00] outgoing and an extrovert.

[00:35:01] But yeah. Um, okay. Yes. Uh, but speaking of, uh, stuff, this is just going to be a weird segue onto our next

[00:35:08] Brett: Speaking of stuff. That’s my segue. Do your own segue to,

[00:35:13] Christina: Okay. Well, I I’m, there’s not a way to really go into a segway here.

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[00:36:51] Brett: I have earned $300 trading crypto in the last two months.

[00:36:58] Christina: Yeah, no, the, [00:37:00] the, um, the, the market is going crazy again. So

[00:37:04] Brett: Yeah. Yeah. Like there was a, there was a little crash in, in Bitcoin for a little while there, but man, it, it came back.

[00:37:12] Christina: yeah, it did. It did even my doses, even my doses up again.

[00:37:16] Brett: Really.

[00:37:17] Christina: I mean, it’s not as the high that it was, but, but it is up

[00:37:21] Brett: Yeah. Um, like I watched these like biggest winners and losers everyday to see where the huge gains are. And it’s always these, these cryptos that go for like that, or like, even with the dollar or like worth less than a dollar. And they’ll go up by like 26% gain, which I suppose if, if you have a hundred dollars in that crypto he’s made 26 bucks.

[00:37:46] So I don’t know how numbers work. I shouldn’t be giving anyone advice.

[00:37:51] Christina: We’re definitely not giving anybody advice.

[00:37:53] Brett: So I got a new debit card after months. Like [00:38:00] it was sometime over the summer, uh, an ATM ate my debit card on the way to the farmer’s market and they never called me. And then I called the bank and they said, they’d send me one. They never sent me one.

[00:38:11] I finally got my new one and it changed the number. And now I daily get notifications from places that have my card on file that have been happily auto withdrawing for years for like eight years. And now I have to go in and it’s, it sucks. Some of them, some of them are even sending notifications to email addresses.

[00:38:34] I don’t have any more. And the only reason I know to go track them down is because I get like a charged, denied message, a text message from my bank.

[00:38:43] Christina: Right, right. No, I I’m. So what I’ve had to start to do, because I have to go through this every few years is I’ve made a list of all the places that I use a certain card so that I can then like go back and go through the list. The, the best [00:39:00] option would be to use something like, uh, like privacy and then use like a custom card.

[00:39:04] Cause you can update the funding source and then just use that for each thing. But that, that takes a lot of time to get into doing too. But yeah, I, I, um, after the last time it happened where I had to like, remember, cause there was always something I would forget. Like my DNS was one that, um, bit me in the ass because I forgot to renew my DNS.

[00:39:23] I didn’t realize this is for my custom email because they gave me like a week, like courtesy and then all of a sudden I wasn’t getting emails and I didn’t realize it. And then I was like, oh right. My auto renewal didn’t work. So I had to go through and change the card number. And, uh, but there are always those little things you just don’t even think about, unless you are willing to go through like your bank statement and look at like, cause some of them are annual.

[00:39:45] So that makes it even harder. Like it’s a monthly thing. You’re going to get it. But if it’s like an annual thing, like, I don’t remember, you know, like this was my payment source, so yeah.

[00:39:54] Brett: I use true bill now, which is pretty good for keeping track of subscriptions. [00:40:00] Uh, but I haven’t been using it long enough for it to be helpful in this situation. I did get a boost in my apple card limit though. I didn’t even ask for it. They just came back and more than doubled my limit.

[00:40:12] Christina: Hell. Yeah. I had to ask for mine cause their original one. Thank you. If you like $750,

[00:40:19] Brett: What are

[00:40:19] Christina: which was insulting,

[00:40:20] Brett: You can’t

[00:40:21] Christina: but

[00:40:21] Brett: a fucking iPad with that.

[00:40:23] Christina: No, you can’t, you can’t, you literally, you can buy some AirPods. Like that’s all you can do with you. Can’t buy a phone, you can’t buy an iPad. Like can’t do anything with it. And then, and I was like, I have.

[00:40:33] Really high limits with a bunch of other places. So then they came back in the, and I was like, so I waited a couple of months. And, and then, um, and this was after actually there had been some reporting and this were true in my case because my credit wasn’t any different. When I asked for the, um, you know, higher limit was that they’d been giving women lower limits than men.

[00:40:51] And, um, and so I asked after like three months and, and they, they gave, they raised it to like 10,000 and I was like, okay, that’s appropriate. You know, [00:41:00] so,

[00:41:01] Brett: that feels correct.

[00:41:02] Christina: well, no, I mean, honestly, based on like what my other limits were, and not that I would ever charge that much, although I did put, um, uh, Aaron, I don’t know how much longer you have to be able to be on with us.

[00:41:13] Um, uh, before I kind of get into my laptop talking, but I did buy a new Mac book last week and it should arrive on Monday. I’m so excited.

[00:41:24] Erin: Oh, my God. I do have to head out a little early and I wanted to raise this, um, bef before I do, before I leave, um, which is. We’re talking about money. We’re not talking about investments. Um, but, but while I was out, I was recovering from pretty major surgery. Um, I was a studious Overtired listener. Um, and So it was, uh, one weird for me to hear Brett talk about work, um, because I know in a very perverse way, I wanted to know what was going on.

[00:41:56] But another thing, Brett, that you said very briefly. [00:42:00] But I was curious about this is investing in. Um, having a team like clean your house, having some cleaners come over, and this is something my partner really wants to do, but, um, you know, I, I try to be frugal on the ways that makes, that makes sense to me to be frugal.

[00:42:20] And this is one of them where I, I don’t know if it’s worth like, Hey, instead of paying $200, $300 for folks that come over and clean. Whatever four hours. Could we just block off a Saturday and get some adult beverages and put on some music and just deeply clean? Or is it worth paying folks that come over? I, think that, yeah.

[00:42:46] Brett: I, did I talk about like, I, I think it was happening last time we recorded, right?

[00:42:51] Erin: Oh, I think that’s why you mentioned it. Yeah.

[00:42:53] You didn’t really talk about it much, but I was, I was curious if you think that it’s, that it’s a good idea.

[00:42:58] Brett: When they were done, [00:43:00] I walked around and I thought I could have done this. Like what’s, what’s the what? How is this worth? Hundreds of dollars. But then Elle came home and she was. Gog like could not, but like she noticed all of the things that, that had never been cleaned before that were now clean. And she just walked around the house in ecstasy for a good 20 minutes, just pointing to places where there were stains.

[00:43:31] And now there weren’t saying, and it made me realize I just do not see mess. I do not see dirt. I just don’t see it. And that’s why if I tried to clean the house while she’s gone, like to make it nice for her to come home, I don’t do a great job because I don’t see the problem. Uh, so if you’re like me, it’s totally worth it to pay somebody who can actually see dirt.

[00:43:53] If you’re really good at cleaning, do, do do it yourself, make it, make, make the choice for yourself.[00:44:00]

[00:44:00] Erin: Yeah.

[00:44:01] Okay. That makes me feel good. Uh, if not, just to see your, uh, co-habit taters, uh, expression when they see the results. But like the other thing about this too, is that maybe it’s a good idea to have folks do it because. Um, this might be like, I don’t know, going to the gym for some people, which is like, I want to do it and I will do it.

[00:44:23] And then you never do. Right. And so your intentions might be good, but if you’re paying someone to do it, it will get done. It’ll get done really well.

[00:44:32] Brett: Yeah. And you’re more likely to do your own cleaning because you know, someone’s coming, that’s going to see her.

[00:44:38] Christina: Also it’s like done and. Then it’s all in a nice, it’s a nice place and you want to keep it up, but leave that. At least that’s how it is with me. I’m a massive fan of paying people to do stuff that I’m personally not good at. I’m like a massive fan. Like I, I’m a massive fan of like paying for like a cleaner and stuff.

[00:44:55] And we don’t have a regular one right now. We’re getting to the point where we will have one, but we had one for years in New [00:45:00] York even, and we had a small space. We’ve had them intermittently in Seattle and yeah, I’m a massive, massive, massive fan of that.

[00:45:07] Brett: Massive.

[00:45:08] Erin: call. I have to aunt Viv out of here, although I won’t be replaced with another gorgeous woman.

[00:45:13] Christina: Yes. Yes. Well, we are, we are very sorry. Um, to, to see you go, but thank you so much for being on with us.

[00:45:18] Brett: Thanks

[00:45:19] Erin: Thank you both get some, Get some sleep,

[00:45:21] Brett: Get some sleep, Aaron.

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[00:47:29] Christina: Stephan. Thanks indeed.

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[00:47:32] Brett: Oh, man. We talked about Facebook. We talk about Google and Facebook and crypto and, and stocks and practitional companies. And Ben. Yeah, this is, this is, this is exactly what I thought would happen if we didn’t have a list,

[00:47:48] Christina: No, I know it would just be kind of a mish-mash, although again, I a smorgasbord, but I am very excited about my laptop that I’m getting

[00:47:55] Brett: Oh yeah,

[00:47:56] Christina: able to talk, we’ll be able to talk about more in depth, but I’m actually really, really excited. So I don’t know [00:48:00] if you had a chance to catch up on the announcements that they had made.

[00:48:03] Okay. So the, and now the reviews are out. So this looks like, I know you’re not in the, in the market for a new laptop for awhile, but I do feel like what the, the new 14 and 16 inch models offer are things that will make people like you. Very, very happy. So, um, I got the new Fort, so basically they, um,

[00:48:26] Brett: a 14.

[00:48:27] Christina: yeah, so exactly.

[00:48:28] So, so they’ve redesigned. The 14th. Well, they’ve cried. They’ve introduced a 14 inch model and they’ve redesigned the 16 inch and they brought back all the shit we missed from the 15 inch MacBook retina. So the HTMI is back. It has Mac safe. Again, there’s an SD card slot. There are still, um, three Thunderbolt, um, uh, four ports and the Mac safe actually.

[00:48:51] Uh, so there’s, HTMI SD card, three Thunderbolt, four ports and Mac safe, but you can still charge through USBC. And the maxi cable [00:49:00] actually connects like through a USBC thing to the, um, charger. So it’s even better than the old way, which, you know, like if you lost, you know, that, um, if it broke or something happened to your, you know, power break, you’d have to spend a hundred bucks to get a new one.

[00:49:15] Now you could conceivably just use like a $30 max save cable with. Another brick of your choosing if you had like a preference and if you wanted to, if you’re just someplace and you have like a USB-C cable, because a lot of people do now, you can still charge with that. So the, the design is better. Um, I think it’s about the same thickness, but it is heavier and, um, they’ve, um, improved the screen resolution so that it’s now actually like doubled and not scaled, which is how it was before they got rid of the fucking touch bars.

[00:49:45] The touch bar is dead. but, uh, which, which I know you’re disappointed about, but you can still use your simulator if you like it. Um, I mean,

[00:49:54] Brett: The simulators. Great. On a, on a 32 inch monitor, I wouldn’t take up a laptop screen with it.[00:50:00]

[00:50:00] Christina: totally, but, um, in, in, in its place, they finally gave us full size function keys. So, I mean, I don’t know, I, I’m kind of down with that. The, the, uh, Arrow keys are still bullshit, but it is what it is. So, um, they fixed the keyboard. They fixed the design it’s heavier, which I think is good. Um, it also stands up a little bit higher.

[00:50:22] So I think like the thermals, like they’ve done a really good job. And then the performance is just like, from all the testing, like it’s just insane. Like the compute performance doesn’t seem to be that different, although you have more cores now, so you can get up to a 10 core versus Nate core, but you can get up to a 32 core GPU and you can get up to 64 gigs of Ram.

[00:50:44] So, um, which is kind of unified and kind of shared across things. So gaming is still a shit show because it’s Mac iOS, but for a lot of the other kind of GPU intensive tasks, especially if you’re using. Stuff. That’s been designed for [00:51:00] metal. It’s really, really good battery life is supposed to be incredible.

[00:51:03] Like I’m so excited. I spent a lot of money on the laptop. Um, but my, my thought processes was like, okay, I have a really, really nice Intel iMac that I really love. And I have my framework PC laptop that I really, really love. I have my gaming PC. Um, but I really have wanted like an apple laptop that I could use for like five years.

[00:51:25] So this is, this I think is going to be my five-year laptop because I got it. 64 gigs of Ram, the highest CPU and GPU core thing. I only got one terabyte of a SSD. I cheaped out there because I didn’t want to pay another $400 for, for two terabytes.

[00:51:43] Brett: one terabyte to be perfectly adequate for me. Like, I mean, I offload everything on to like external SSDs and I have a Synology and I just don’t carry two terabytes where the shit around.

[00:51:55] Christina: No, that was kind of my thought. I was like, my laptop has one terabyte. Um, my gaming [00:52:00] PC and my iMac both have two terabytes. Like I have this technology, I have external drives. I’m fine.

[00:52:06] Brett: you have two terabytes of stuff on one machine and all of your other machines don’t have two terabytes when you try to switch machines or like you just asking for trouble.

[00:52:19] Christina: Totally. And, and I think just from my use cases for Halloween, I think one terabytes will be fine. I have like five 12 on my current, um, Mac book pro. So like just having that headroom alone is going to be big. But, but, um, it, uh, it should be arriving on Monday. I’ll have more details, obviously next Overtired, but I’m so excited.

[00:52:35] Cause they, they, it, it, it it’s, it was like a complete referendum on everything that like happened with the 2016 model. Um, cause they kind of rolled everything back. Right? Like they, they literally like did kind of the opposite, but it also seems like the performance and like the benchmarks and stuff that have come out like apple Silicon is really, really good.

[00:52:58] Um, [00:53:00] From what I, you know, that the VM situation and containers story is still a shit show because apple just doesn’t care. Um, and that’s unfortunate, but, um, I think that like, even with emulation and stuff, like the performance is apparently really good. Like I have a colleague who he already got his cause he got the 16 inch model and his specs are the same as mine, except he got, um, a bigger, I think he paid for the four terabyte, hard drive was stupid.

[00:53:25] He’s never going to use that, but he, he just likes to, he honestly likes to burn money so fine. Um, but he’s got like a windows 11 running a VM on one screen. He’s not even using RDP and RDP is actually really good experience. And then we have like cloud PCs and whatnot. So he’s running that on a VM, he’s got Linux and stuff and other VMs and he’s just still has plenty of cores.

[00:53:47] And like his performance is just like, awesome. So I’m a. I, I can’t wait. Like there are still going to be some, some niggles, but like, this feels like this is like [00:54:00] the apple Silicon thing that I’ve kind of been waiting for. So I’m really, really excited.

[00:54:04] Brett: That is exciting. I, so like I’ve had this, uh, apple, Silicon Mac mini for a while now. And I have like zero complaints. Like there are some things that I think I have some processes that misbehave tweet bot frequently misbehaves on me. And I think it has to do with the chip, uh, because it’s fine for me on an Intel platform.

[00:54:28] Uh, but like I just killed it at 32 gigabytes of Ram. It was using, um, it gets a little crazy. Uh, but other than some, and the weird thing is like, I’ll get that notification, that force quit notification. Your, your Mac has run out of memory, but nothing else hap like everything is fine. Like I can con I can leave that up.

[00:54:49] I can continue. I never see a beach ball. It just, it just keeps chugging it’s and I only have 16 gigs of Ram in this thing. I think that’s, I [00:55:00] think I max it out, but I think it max out at 16. But yeah, like I, I’m curious V if I didn’t have to have an Intel machine, uh, for my development, I would, I would be curious about replacing my MacBook pro with, uh, an M one,

[00:55:17] Christina: Yeah, no, that’s the thing. I mean, like I obviously still have my, my Intel iMac and, and for development for some other things, like, I will still need that. And, and like, that’s the one thing I keep telling to people who are like, oh, you know, why is anybody even bothering with Intel anymore? And I’m like, well, you know, it, it is actually kind of a, not, you know, like guarantee thing.

[00:55:38] Like there are some trade-offs right? Like there’s some stuff that just isn’t there and it is not going to be there. Right. Because apple,

[00:55:45] Brett: right? Yeah. Like it, they did a great job with the rollout and with Rosetta and. Universal binary too. Like it was all well covered. And the transition for [00:56:00] 99.9% of people, uh, they’ll never notice, like, unless, unless they’re like into that kind of thing, they’ll never need to know that their chips that changed.

[00:56:11] Um, but there are some things that aren’t, that are going to break and, and it’s going to be a little while before it, before it can just be like universally find a switch.

[00:56:24] Christina: Exactly. And that’s the thing, you know, and it’s, and it is, unfortunately we are both in those like edge cases. Like, and if you do any sort of like web like server side, you know, like development, even like, you know, cloud first cloud native, you know, stuff you’re for the foreseeable future. I mean, this will probably eventually change, although I don’t think there’ll be on apple Silicon stuff because apple prices are what they are.

[00:56:45] But like, you know, for the foreseeable future, like we are going to be running and executing things on x86 machines, running Linux. That’s just how it works. And obviously a lot PA LA packages have updated themselves and are making universal binaries a thing, [00:57:00] but like the Docker and the container situation.

[00:57:03] Is not great on apple Silicon. So there are these trade-offs right. And, and, and you can get around them with simulation a little bit, but it’s still as you’re like, eh, you know, it’s, it’s not quite like there are, there are, there are pain points, but I’m really excited to just see like what this is going to be like, because I haven’t had an apple silicone machine, um, because I refused to buy one, um, with under 32 gigs of Ram, like I, I just flat out refused, um,

[00:57:31] Brett: will be, I don’t know how far 64 gigs of Ram will go for you, but you would be amazed at what I can pull off with just 16. I think 64 is going to be an enormous amount of brown.

[00:57:43] Christina: oh, no, it’s overkill. Right? Like I have 128 and the iMac and I don’t even touch it. So I think 64 is perfect. I only have 32 in the framework, although that can go to 64. So I think this is, um, I have 64 in, in my game PC again, overkill, but like, whatever. So I think 64, the reason I did [00:58:00] that is because again, I wanted this to be a five-year machine, so.

[00:58:02] Brett: if, if the Mac mini could handle more Ram, I, I would have done it too. I’m not

[00:58:08] Christina: Obviously, no, no, no. Without a doubt. No, that was the one thing people were disappointed with. They were like, we expected a new Mac mini. There’d been some rumors about that, but not a ton. I honestly was not expecting it. Cause I’m like they released new Mac mini, like every five years.

[00:58:22] Brett: wasn’t a new Mac pro was there.

[00:58:24] Christina: No, no, but the rumor is that that is going to have like a Jesus number of cores and is going to be massive.

[00:58:31] That’s that’s going to be the hard one, right? Like a, I think it’s a matter of them getting the yields and the machine time and all that stuff. And B how do you, I mean, God, I, not, not that people won’t still do it, not that Lauren won’t still do, uh, um, apple, won’t still do it, but like, how do you tell people who, I don’t know, like two years ago spent $10,000.

[00:58:58] On a machine, [00:59:00] Hey, here, we, we we’d really like you to, to, to buy a new one. Like that’s hard.

[00:59:05] Brett: Yeah. Yeah. I feel like there should be a discount program for people who fell for that.

[00:59:10] Christina: I mean, I kind of agree, especially since, I mean, look and they were in a weird position, like they obviously were working on apple Silicon, but it wasn’t ready. And because the, the trashcan Mac pro they forgot about it and abandoned it. And it wasn’t until like five years later. And they finally like, had like a conversation with, you know, um, power users.

[00:59:30] And then like in 2017, they like announced. They’re like, okay, we’re, we’re officially working on a new Mac pro and then two years later, three years later, like they finally, you know, release what it is. Um, I get it, like they were in like a weird spot. Right, right. Like they, they, the apple Silicon, especially at the high end stuff, just wasn’t ready and you would never want to launch something like apple, Silicon on a Mac pro first.

[00:59:57] Like that would be just,

[00:59:59] Brett: never get [01:00:00] trapped.

[01:00:00] Christina: you’d never get traction. And, and, and that would just, if anything, that’d be insult to injury, right. Like you’d have people who were like, okay, we waited all this time and now you’re going to tell us, we have to ch we have to switch architectures. And do you know what I mean? Like, it’s just it’s um, uh, when they did the Intel transition, they had like almost everything available and they gave, you know, they had, the developer has just like they did with the, um, in one, would you able to get, but yeah, I mean, it’s just, when I look at it, it’s like, it starts at 50, 56 39 and, and just goes up from there.

[01:00:32] And I’m just like, God, you know, cause I looked at maybe getting a Mac pro a year ago when I got my iMac and it was John Sera, QC. What are you doing? Cause I was like, well, I know that there’s transitioning to apple Silicon, but I want an Intel machine because I knew that there would be things that for years would not be ideal.

[01:00:52] And I was like, maybe I just want to get the best I can get. And he was just like, no. And, and when Sarah CUSA [01:01:00] was telling me, no, I was like, okay, you know what? I’m going to listen. Like if Syracuse is the one who’s like don’t, then, then that goes

[01:01:10] Brett: Yeah,

[01:01:11] Christina: a long way.

[01:01:12] On Teaching While Grumpy

[01:01:12] Brett: you want to hear what was really hard for me this week?

[01:01:15] Christina: Yes, please.

[01:01:16] Brett: Um, I know we’re at an hour, but, uh, so I, I mentioned I I’ve been pretty tired, like just low, low grade tired all week. I have a new coworker, uh, you know, the guy, um, who. Because I, okay. So we’ve talked about this publishing platform that I built for Oracle using GitHub and Jekyll and how we’re like streamlining the content production process or that Andy and Victor is on as a, as a writer, but suddenly he’s thrown into this situation where he has to know, like get and get hub.

[01:01:57] And, uh,

[01:01:59] Christina: [01:02:00] Yup.

[01:02:00] Brett: the problem is mostly get I’ll I’ll we’ll, I’m trying to teach him get, but I’m too tired to be like a super patient thorough teacher. And it’s leading to like entire branch is getting deleted or like he’s accidentally closing poll requests because I’m not explaining things well enough.

[01:02:21] Christina: Right because, you know, right. Like, yeah.

[01:02:24] Brett: I would, I would not like, I don’t want to jinx my chance of ever having a manager’s paycheck, but I, I do not have the patience for managerial stuff or

[01:02:36] Christina: Well, I mean,

[01:02:37] Brett: that managerial?

[01:02:38] Christina: no, I mean, this is, I, I don’t think so. Mina Zuri will be more like ensuring that he has the right tools to do his job, but I, I, I, I think right. But whereas, whereas I think that in this case, like actually going through that process is probably not now I have, I am finding, I’m going to share these with you.

[01:02:59] I found [01:03:00] just a quick Google search and some of them seem pretty well received, like how to teach, get commits and get up to teenagers. Um,

[01:03:06] Brett: took a course, which is like, I thought, like he hasn’t figured out the difference between a fork and a branch yet. And that seems like pretty basic stuff.

[01:03:17] Christina: yeah.

[01:03:17] Brett: That I thought a course would have covered. So I guess part of it is like, I just, I assume a certain base

[01:03:26] Christina: Why was going to say, I was going to say if you’re at that point. Yeah. I mean, it might, it might not have been, and it might not have been a good course. Like there are some courses that are good and some that aren’t right. Like, I know this well because a lot of a, I helped make training materials as part of my job and be a lot of my friends like do that too.

[01:03:42] But even as their side hustles, they do, you know, courses for Pluralsight and, and um, and other places. Um, so, um, I, um, I’ll go through. I’ll see if I can find anything check. I don’t know if we, I bet. I bet there is something Oracle [01:04:00] probably has like a LinkedIn learning subscription, which is what lynda.com is.

[01:04:04] Now. They probably have like a corporate subscription and it might be worth seeing if there are any high rated courses on that that might have some of those details, uh, for him to look through. But I’ll try to find some other resources for you because it is difficult to teach, but I, I don’t even know how I would, how I, how I would approach it.

[01:04:23] I would probably, it would take me a lot of time to try to think about, okay,

[01:04:27] Brett: Right. Well,

[01:04:27] Christina: am I going to.

[01:04:28] Brett: is I, I have, uh, I have more web dev projects on my plate. I have a, uh, content editing quota to me. Like I don’t have time to train someone else. Like that’s not, yeah, I’m trying to juggle it all. It’s been a bitch I’ve been working.

[01:04:46] Christina: Right. Um, yeah, I’m going to try to find some stuff to maybe put your way, uh, like front end masters might have something I’m just trying to think of like, places that I know that are good, you know, that like have good courses because again, some of this [01:05:00] stuff is just bad, so you never know. Um, and, and also you never know.

[01:05:05] Like w how, like what level of knowledge you need. And if it’s getting to the point, like, you don’t know the difference between like a fork and a branch, which can be confusing because they, they do, they seem like they do similar things, but they’re obviously very different. Right. Um, very , but I can understand why people would be confused cause you’re like, oh, well I’m forced to this, but I can still merge things into it.

[01:05:26] And you’re like, eh, but it’s, it’s separate, right? Like it’s yes, you can, you can still, you know, take, you know, pull things from, from, um, you know, uh, another fork, but they’re very different type of, um, thing. And so it feels

[01:05:41] Brett: especially like our whole workflow is based around poll requests and, and ideally pull re like we can make edits and request changes in the pull requests. But when the pull request is coming from a fork, we can’t push changes to that poll requests [01:06:00] anymore. Uh, so at least within the team, it’s way more beneficial for us to work in branches and he keeps forking it and then, uh, is unable to, uh, like push and merge and take edits and reviews it anyway.

[01:06:15] Christina: no. Oh, part of me wonders if that’s the case, like, if that’s a tooling thing, if, if he doesn’t see that, if it’s not easy for him to figure out how to, how to branch

[01:06:23] Brett: got him, I got him tower and I, today, I, I got, I thought tower was going to be self-explanatory and I wouldn’t have to teach him, but I, you have to have a base level of knowledge. So today I did the entire process of, uh, uh, branch, an edit, a commit, a push, a publish, and a pull request. And I screenshotted every step of it using the amazing clean shot pro or clean shot X, and, and then put it all together in a markdown file, wrote out what each step was, publish it with mark to a PDF.

[01:06:58] And now we have, uh, [01:07:00] we have, uh, a training manual that covers exactly one process.

[01:07:05] Christina: Right. Um, so my colleague Nina, um, publishing them for front of masters called, um, uh, and this was older. Um, but, but it, but it seems like this is probably still good called you know, like, um, get in depth and I’m going to look through this and see, this might still be too, um, it advanced, but I’m not sure, but

[01:07:28] Brett: those, like learn enough, get to be dangerous books.

[01:07:31] Christina: yeah, that’s what I’m kind of trying to find for you. I know I’ll, I’ll, I’ll do this offline. I’ll find some stuff for you. Uh, but cause, cause I feel like

[01:07:38] Brett: Learn enough. Get new learning off.com/get.

[01:07:42] Christina: nice. Okay. So that might be good too. Cause that’s the thing like, uh, I, I feel like. The tooling. Okay. You’ve done one thing of the process, but I have a feeling like the reason that he’s creating a fork and not a branch is because something in the UI or whatever, it doesn’t make it easy for him to see what he’s doing like that, that, that to me seems like a simple thing.

[01:07:59] [01:08:00] The other thing I would say is, and this obviously will take time. And again, like, you don’t have time to do this, but maybe there might be other people on your team, um, who might be able to help with this. Somewhat, what I would do honestly, was I would try to pair program with him and watch what he’s doing to observe, because to me that would tell it, tell me the most, I’d try to figure out like, okay, what are you doing?

[01:08:20] And, and then I can kind of see, oh

[01:08:24] Brett: I need to be well rested before I can do that.

[01:08:26] Christina: 100%. I’m not

[01:08:28] Brett: I should have done that this week. I should have like done a zoom screen share with them, but I just found myself to like,

[01:08:36] Christina: no,

[01:08:36] Brett: add, you have grumpy too, to deal with it.

[01:08:40] Christina: Well, no 100 and I think that’s completely fair. And, and so I feel like, um, but that, to me, like once you’re feeling rested enough, I would say, cause that’s helped me before, like both as a teacher and as a learner is getting together and, um, you know, pair programming, whether like using like the, you know, um, the visual studio, um, uh, plugin [01:09:00] to do like the screen-share stuff like works really well, but you could also just, you know, have him share your screen, um, in, in zoom or whatever tool it is that you use.

[01:09:09] But I feel like watching him do stuff. The nice thing about the screen-share seeing like the visual studio live thing. The nice thing about that if you’re using visual studio code is that you can step in and, and, you know, like make corrections. Um, but I think even at first, like, uh, like just seeing what he’s doing is going to, like, that would give you a good, uh, recognize, cause that’s certainly helped me where I’m like, oh, I see what the issue is like you’re doing this and, and, you know, we can fix things much, much more quickly.

[01:09:45] Brett: Let’s hope I sleep really well tonight and tomorrow I can be fresh faced and, and helpful.

[01:09:51] Christina: I hope so.

[01:09:52] Brett: He deserves better,

[01:09:54] Christina: he, he does deserve better, but I think you’ll get there. But also, I mean, this is hard. I mean, I think that this is also [01:10:00] a real talk. If you can get kind of to a good place where you figure out the right sort of content, not that you have tons of time, but this is the sort of thing where this could be like a good side hustle.

[01:10:10] This could be a course, like this could be something like teaching get to normies. I’m not even joking. Like, I feel like there’s, there’s a market for that because more and more.

[01:10:19] Brett: it’s actually content they would love to have for the Oracle site. So I could just write it up for Oracle.

[01:10:26] Christina: Yeah, you could do that. I mean, I was just thinking, like, make that money, but, uh,

[01:10:30] Brett: They pay me enough. It’s worth it.

[01:10:32] Christina: No. Totally no. And if it, and if it really would be like good for the site, because you never, I don’t know who the target audience is, it’d be good. But there is like something to be said for teaching, get to normies. Cause I’ve definitely had to do that or aspects of that before, like I’ve had to teach a market down to normies, I’ve had to teach other things to normies.

[01:10:48] And, uh, I think a lot of times people underestimate, like, because version control is really powerful. And I think that if we could get, if we could teach more people how to use those tools, [01:11:00] a lot of people would just open shit up for them.

[01:11:02] Brett: You should try doing customer support from markdown app sometime, uh, and teach people who think they know, but don’t

[01:11:11] Christina: Uh huh.

[01:11:12] Brett: and do it with a smile.

[01:11:14] Christina: And with a smile, God.

[01:11:15] Brett: I have I’ve over the course of what, 20 years of developing. I have very few pissed off customers because I’m very good putting on a smile and explaining things nicely.

[01:11:28] You Should Pay More For Apps

[01:11:28] Brett: I’m way nicer to my customers than I am to real people.

[01:11:32] Christina: Yeah. That makes sense. I mean, they are paying you

[01:11:36] Brett: $14,

[01:11:38] Christina: well, I mean, okay, fair enough. I mean, that, that, that’s a really good point, actually. You’re like,

[01:11:42] Brett: $14, five years ago.

[01:11:45] Christina: Oh, no, but that’s my favorite because then they’re like, I paid $14 nine years ago and why? No, I don’t get this up. I’m like, oh my God, dude. I see people on Twitter with that all the time.

[01:11:53] Like the entitlement I’m like it was $4 a decade ago.

[01:11:57] Brett: Yeah, I’ve just like, we’re, we’re very [01:12:00] close, honestly, to, uh, NV ultra release and like we’ve decided to go subscription with it. And I just don’t give a shit anymore. People who hate subscriptions, don’t have to sign up, fuck them. We’re doing a

[01:12:12] Christina: Absolutely. You’re doing subscription. It’s like, okay, this cost us a lot of money to develop. And if you want this to keep up, we have to have some sort of incentive to do it. I get it. Right. I get that. I get that. I get that as annoying.

[01:12:25] Brett: we do subscriptions, then we can offer a free trial on the app store. There’s no other way to do a free trial on the app store. So in that purchase freeze or in-app purchase subscription and that’s it. That’s how it’s going to go.

[01:12:39] Christina: No, totally. And I mean, I, and I, and I think the thing is, is like it, look, I agree. It sucks that you now have a jillion different subscriptions, but you know, it also helps that you get to figure out, okay, what apps do I actually really use and rely on? Because sometimes there’s stuff that I buy and then I never use it, or I use it a few times.

[01:12:55] And so sometimes it’s a really nice forcing function to figure out how often do I really use [01:13:00] this and do I need to continue to pay for it?

[01:13:01] Brett: You know what subscription is killing me, sketch. Like I use sketch maybe once every couple months.

[01:13:11] Christina: Same.

[01:13:11] Brett: I don’t like, I, I don’t need all of the features that are included in the subscription. I don’t collaborate with people

[01:13:20] Christina: was going to say, I was going to say, I was going to say they now definitely have moved to the whole collaboration thing also. I’m sorry. Figma has gotten really good. Like I get Figma and I get sick when for free.

[01:13:31] Brett: sketches great for icon design and an exporting web ready assets. It’s it’s, there’s not a lot else that is as good at that, but that alone is not good enough to I’m paying the subscription just because when I need it, I want it there. But that one, that one I don’t love. I, you can actually do a lot with the affinity designer program.

[01:13:57] Christina: I really like affinity a lot. Um, [01:14:00] uh, their tools are great Saraf and, and they have somehow managed to not do a subscription, which I don’t know how much longer that will be able to last me. They seem to have like a good business. So I’m not trying to like, um, you know, like,

[01:14:13] Brett: Yeah, I would, I would pay 50 bucks a year to keep using my affinity apps.

[01:14:18] Christina: oh, I would too. I would too. I mean, cause the thing is, and I think I bought them for. I have them for iPad. I have them for Mac and I have him for windows. And I think I got them all at like, relatively like good prices. Like, I’m pretty sure I got them all for 50% off or something. And, um, if I paid $50 a year and then could have access to them on all platforms that would actually save me money.

[01:14:39] Um, well, it wouldn’t save me money. I’d be, you know, cause right now I don’t pay anything after the initial cost, but you know, if like say they go to like, they finally released version two or whatever, which if they do it, I hope that it’s a paid upgrade. Right.

[01:14:52] Brett: yeah, it almost has to be. Yeah.

[01:14:53] Christina: you know, I want them to get that money, right.

[01:14:55] Yeah.

[01:14:55] Brett: they don’t release a lot of updates in general.

[01:14:58] Christina: No, that’s true. They [01:15:00] don’t, but it is one of those things. Like I just, you know, um, I think they make great stuff and, uh, and I would like to support them. Um, you know, I don’t want what happened to text mate to happen again. I mean, no, because that, but that is like that, that is like the cautionary tale, right?

[01:15:16] Like, cause you know, he’d promised the 2.0 and he promised free upgrades and people held him to that. And even though it took years longer because a feature creep and all the shit that always happens with text editors. I mean, as you’re running into with, with, with, um, uh, in V ultra and, and as happens with the sublime text and you know, pretty much any product, right?

[01:15:35] Like with, for what, for text editors, like feature scope and stuff just kinda gets out of hand. And he, you know, put himself into this corner, especially since a lot of people like me got our licenses from a fucking bundle, um, you know, and like, like a software bundle. And so.

[01:15:50] Brett: I’ve had multiple people in the last month. Uh, contact me to say that they ran into a problem with Mart and only then [01:16:00] realized they’d been using it for years after buying it for like a dollar 99 as part of like a bundle hunt bundle and decided to buy it again before they asked for customer support, which is

[01:16:11] Christina: I appreciate that. That is awesome. Most people don’t do that though. And, and, you know, um, text mate was the greatest editor of all time. Like it’s still, to me is one of my favorites and I have to feel like the blow back from a lot of that killed him. I asked him to feel like, you know, the other kind of drama with things and, and then ultimately, yeah, it’s open source.

[01:16:31] The development died the community at, by that point moved away. And it’s a shame because it was so good. And I feel like that’s the sort of thing where if you want to sustain that sort of thing, you have to have an ongoing payment for it. And if people were going to get mad about paying a hundred dollars a year for their tech Senator, like, I’m sorry, if you use it and rely on it every day.

[01:16:51] Brett: Yeah, I should be.

[01:16:52] Christina: you know, I mean, I mean, it’s why

[01:16:54] Brett: You should, you should definitely invest.

[01:16:56] Christina: it’s why Adobe gets away with charging, [01:17:00] you know, and they charge a lot of money, you know, it’s $50,

[01:17:02] Brett: as much as they used to

[01:17:04] Christina: Well, no, but that’s the thing is,

[01:17:05] Brett: be like 600 bucks every year,

[01:17:08] Christina: well, it still is that

[01:17:09] Brett: for Photoshop.

[01:17:11] Christina: Well, right. But, but the suite is, you know, it’s like 60 bucks a month or whatever for the full suite.

[01:17:16] And that’s a lot of money. I’m not, I’m not saying it isn’t, but if you’re relying on these tools for your job and for payment, like, I feel like most people who complain about Photoshop pricing or Adobe creative cloud pricing are people who are not actually using it for their job. I feel like if you’re using this as a creative tool to actually make money, then you have no problem.

[01:17:35] Like recognizing it as a, as a business investment. If you’re the people who, you know, like me used to pirate it back in the day and then use it for their personal stuff and not really make money off of it. Okay, sure. It sucks that maybe the kids today don’t have as easy of an entryway into learning this stuff, but there’s stuff like Saraf and there are still ways people pirated and whatnot if they need to do that.

[01:17:57] But like, you know, [01:18:00] I I’ve most people, I heard complain about that and who I still hear complain about that are not people who made money off of their tools. Um, you know, like professional photographers, professional graphic artists, professional videographers, those were people who were like, I’m actually happier if it’s getting consistent updates and support rather than languishing.

[01:18:21] And then every few years I have to spend another thousand dollars or whatever it is to buy, to upgrade this, you know, my, my, my programs. So yeah, that’s, that’s my rant about that. Like, I get the subscription fatigue thing. I totally understand, but I use it, like I said, as kind of a, a principle for me to go back, look back and say, am I actually using this?

[01:18:43] Or, um, and am I not? And if I’m not, I have no problem on subscribing and then resubscribing if I need to, or, or whatever the case may be, you know,

[01:18:51] Brett: Yeah. Like I just, I have a bunch of subscriptions. Um, it, it’s easy to cancel them. If, if I see a subscription subscription payment come up [01:19:00] and I’m realized I’m not using it, I can just cancel it. It’s not, it’s not that hard.

[01:19:05] Christina: No. I mean it, and especially like, if you, and this would be good for MBS for as well, if you’re able to sell through the Mac app store, like apple subscriptions, make it really easy to manage that stuff. All right. And just kind of look through and be like, cancel done, you know, and I’ve done that a number of times.

[01:19:18] Like there there’ve been some apps that I’ve bought in like, yeah, you know what, this really isn’t, I’m not going to do this for another year. And so I suppose I like can’t, if I paid annually, I canceled early. I enjoy it for the rest of the year, or usually forget that I have it, but I’m like, nah, I’m done.

[01:19:32] Brett: We should probably get some sleep.

[01:19:34] Christina: We should definitely get some sleep,

[01:19:35] Brett: It’s been fun.

[01:19:36] Christina: been super fun. No, this was kind of a chaotic episode, but a bit good Overtired style and. Um, I hope that you get some sleep for real and have a good weekend and thank you. I’m going to be with baby and that’s going to be fun and he’s going to be super cute.

[01:19:52] And so, uh, follow me on Instagram for photos. So

[01:19:57] Brett: Awesome. Get some sleep,

[01:19:59] Christina.

[01:19:59] Christina: [01:20:00] Get some sleep, Brett.