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[00:00:00] Brett: [00:00:00] You’re listening to overtired. Welcome. I’m Brett Terpstra. I’m here with Christina Warren. It’s good to be back. How are you, Christina?

[00:00:07] Christina: [00:00:07] I’m I’m doing pretty good. Uh, it’s early for me. So I, and I just took my Dexedrine. So you’re probably gonna hear me get more awake as the show goes, but I’m fine. Uh, how are you before we, we address, uh, the fact that we haven’t talked together in a couple of weeks, how are you doing

[00:00:28] Brett: [00:00:28] Well, so here’s the thing. The thing of it is I

[00:00:33] Christina: [00:00:33] what was happened? Was.

[00:00:34] Brett: [00:00:34] mm, my mother-in-law. My ex-mother-in-law used to always say the thing of it is. And it, it, it, it, it drove me nuts. It’s fine. She’s not my mother-in-law anymore. Um, anyway, uh, so I’ve got some depression going on, which is bad enough on its own. And then yesterday I gave myself food poisoning, not once, but twice and not like [00:01:00] real food poisoning.

[00:01:01] Like, I’m pretty sure it was all in my head. Like, I, I ate something that tasted off. Like, it was definitely off like spoiled, but like, I don’t eat meat. Like I don’t get like food poisoning from like legit food poisoning, but it, it, it tasted off in my body revolted against it. And I started puking and then the taste was stuck in my mouth.

[00:01:27] And like, every time I would taste it, I would wretched again.

[00:01:32] Christina: [00:01:32] oh God.

[00:01:33] Brett: [00:01:33] I thought, so it happened with an egg sandwich in the morning.

[00:01:38] Christina: [00:01:38] Okay. No. Okay. You get legit food poisoning from eggs. Okay.

[00:01:41] Brett: [00:01:41] right. Here’s the thing, here’s the thing, the thing of it is, is that I think, I thought it was the egg, but the egg didn’t smell off. Like when I cooked it, it, it like, everything seemed fine and I’ve never had an egg that was bad and didn’t at least look a little bit bad. [00:02:00] So, but I was like, okay, so, so the, the egg was bad and I got through it in the morning and I, uh, I had my lunch and then like, I’m seeing a nutritionist now.

[00:02:11] And part of my diet is I’m actually allowed to eat like bread. So I was going to enjoy a piece of toast in the afternoon. And I got halfway through the piece of toast and realized it was what it was, where that taste was coming from.

[00:02:26] Christina: [00:02:26] Oh no. So the bread was like moldy or bad or whatever.

[00:02:29] Brett: [00:02:29] I guess I looked at it, it looked fine, but yeah, definitely had this rancid, weird indescribable flavor to it that it did not have, you know, two days before.

[00:02:42] And, uh, and yeah, why I did it again, and that was right before we were supposed to record yesterday. And so I just, I said, we’re gonna, we’re gonna wait a day and I won’t eat any more bread and I haven’t, I have not eaten anymore bread at all. [00:03:00]

[00:03:00]Christina: [00:03:00] Good. I’m glad. I, I, uh, I I’m really glad, uh, I hope you threw the bread that you pap away.

[00:03:06] Brett: [00:03:06] Yeah, I

[00:03:07] Christina: [00:03:07] good.

[00:03:08]Brett: [00:03:08] I did. It took, it took twice. I really like bread.

[00:03:13] Christina: [00:03:13] I like bread too. You can buy more bread. Uh, clearly the bread that you had though was bad. Like you can get new bread.

[00:03:21] Brett: [00:03:21] Yeah. Um, so, uh, last week you, uh, you, you, you did, you did your own thing, kinda. It was an episode with two Christina’s was the way I described it to people.

[00:03:34] Christina: [00:03:34] it was pretty great though.

[00:03:35] Brett: [00:03:35] Yeah. You seem to have fun. I’ll be honest. I couldn’t listen to it. Like the beauty of descript is that I can just search for the word edit and anywhere that someone was like, oh, you should edit here.

[00:03:48] I can just find that without having to go through like who’s fuckable and a boy band. Like I can just skip all of that. Honestly. Like I caught a little bit of it. I searched for my [00:04:00] own name, so I could hear where you bad mouth. Me. Brett’s a little bitch and all of this,

[00:04:04] Christina: [00:04:04] I love this.

[00:04:05] Brett: [00:04:05] Brett breads to gen X for this.

[00:04:07] And I heard that and I’m like, you know, that’s true. I, I actually don’t have to, I don’t have to sit through this. I can edit this with one hand.

[00:04:17] Christina: [00:04:17] I, so until you said this, I completely forgot that. Like I, I called you a little bitch and said you was using next to that. And now I’m now I’m thinking back, I’m like fair.

[00:04:26]Brett: [00:04:26] Well, so, and, and, and people can chime in on this, but I, I have oral surgery and a couple of weeks, well, actually it’s next Friday. So I’ll be able to record next week, but then I will probably not be, uh, up to talking the week after. So I was going to have a, I was going to see if I actually wanted to come back again.

[00:04:49] If people like overall the general response to that episode was people were thrown at first. Like when you did [00:05:00] the immediate deep dive into like nineties boy bands, people were thrown, but they came around and they enjoyed it by the end. And they really liked the dynamic between you two. So.

[00:05:13]Christina: [00:05:13] Yeah, I

[00:05:14] Brett: [00:05:14] feel like it’s going to replace me entirely, but I feel like it’s a nice, it’s a nice to have two Christina’s once in a while people, people can live with that,

[00:05:23] Christina: [00:05:23] I think so. It’s nice palate cleanser. No, it doesn’t replace two at all. Uh, there has been talk on the Twitters. People are like, she and I should have a spinoff podcast. And,

[00:05:33] Brett: [00:05:33] I could see.

[00:05:34] Christina: [00:05:34] and that I actually, like, I like that idea a lot, but maybe, maybe we do like another thing together. We could see if it’s like, we test it out again and see.

[00:05:43] like, if that’s gonna happen.

[00:05:44] Cause I wasn’t intending to go as deep as we, when we, we had started, even before we started recording, we were kind of talking a lot and, and we just kinda went right into and I was like, oh, this is going to be totally different. But this was really fun.

[00:05:57]Brett: [00:05:57] Yeah. [00:06:00] So how’s work going.

[00:06:02] Christina: [00:06:02] So work is work as good. Our fiscal year just started, which, um, is, is interesting. Cause it’s like, there’s a lot of planning, a lot of other stuff that happens. So in also a lot of people are taking vacation. So it’s one of those things where like the next couple of months are, um, in some ways going to be at least for some of my, some of the stuff that I do slower.

[00:06:26] And then in some things more busy, I don’t know. It, it all sort of depends. Um, but, uh, I, uh, I was part of the windows 11 launch, which was kind of cool,

[00:06:34]Brett: [00:06:34] Yeah. So

[00:06:36] Christina: [00:06:36] Very cool.

[00:06:37] Brett: [00:06:37] yeah, I, I haven’t, I don’t follow windows much, so I haven’t dug into that, but, uh, but you seem pretty excited about that.

[00:06:45] Christina: [00:06:45] I mean, look, I can say this like more candidly on this podcast, cause like less people listened to it, then not less people, but like less.

[00:06:54] Brett: [00:06:54] What you mean is fewer people. I’m sorry, I

[00:06:58] Christina: [00:06:58] You’re well, yeah. [00:07:00] Okay. Fuck off. Hey, but I was also, I was trying to be like, it was like, well, cause we have a lot of listeners, but it’s, it’s different listener base. So it’s like, I don’t know how many of my coworkers, like, listen, you know, if that makes sense, which makes it somewhat easier. Um, not that I’m saying anything that like get me in trouble or whatever.

[00:07:16] I don’t think. But, um, when is 11 is, uh, like the visual overhaul is really good. Like there were some things like that. They definitely stole from macro S and they stole well how’s that?

[00:07:32] Brett: [00:07:32] fair enough.

[00:07:33] Christina: [00:07:33] Okay.

[00:07:33] Well, other than good, like I was trying to like do the grammar thing since I, I got the lesson fewer wrong. Um, so that’s kind of cool.

[00:07:42] There’s also some cool stuff happening on the developer side. That was the thing I was more involved with. I was involved with the developer event. Kind of getting to do a deep dive on some of the changes coming to some of the ways that you can develop for both web apps and native apps in the store and in games and shit like that.

[00:07:57] So there was, there was some cool things. [00:08:00] Um, I, uh, I, I’m not, you know, somebody who usually follows windows either, but I’m pretty excited about it when it launches in the fall. So That that was cool. It was also, I’m not going to lie. Like it was cool to have a role, even though it was small as part of like a major operating system launch.

[00:08:17] That was kind of cool.

[00:08:17] Brett: [00:08:17] That is cool. I, uh, so it’s, it’s our we’re we’re planning for our fiscal year to over the, uh, over at the Oracle. And, uh, so I think I’ve mentioned before the Oracle is sponsoring red bull racing.

[00:08:33]Christina: [00:08:33] Oh, wow.

[00:08:35] Brett: [00:08:35] So part of our planning is like my, my team, the dev team is, is basically forefront on the red bull, uh, kind of partnership.

[00:08:48] And we have to come up with ways that Oracle can tie into, uh, like formula one racing. And like, it’s been [00:09:00] fun. We’ve been finding like we’re doing a lot of machine learning stuff and, uh, and kind of race prediction, uh, efficiency, uh, hands-on learning labs for developers to kind of play around with F1, historical data and everything.

[00:09:16] Um, but red bull wants like a year. They want like a plan for like a year what’s going to happen for the next year. How are you going to make this interesting. And that feels like a lot of pressure. All of this.

[00:09:28]Christina: [00:09:28] Yeah.

[00:09:29] Brett: [00:09:29] can do one thing at a time. Take it as it comes, come up with interesting like things in the moment, but a year plan seems like crazy.

[00:09:37] Christina: [00:09:37] Yeah, that seems like a lot. Uh, they, they want, I, I think that the term is they, they want like marketing moments, movements, whatever, so that they can position their stuff. But Yeah,

[00:09:48] I think the good news is, I think I’m not a hundred percent positive, but I feel like this is one of those things where you guys can like come up with like really like broad strokes.

[00:09:58] And then if this stuff [00:10:00] changes, like they’re not going to know or care, like as long as it, as long as it’s still.

[00:10:05] Brett: [00:10:05] yeah, yeah. I, yeah, it’ll be fun. They’re doing a corny video. We’re doing, uh, uh, machine learning lab. And they’re doing this like intro video about how, uh, their whole team of like, uh, efficiency, planners, and pit crew, and everything could just take the week off because the developers are going to do all the work for them.

[00:10:28]Christina: [00:10:28] Oh, well, corporate humor. I, I loved the Ash. Hate it.

[00:10:35] Brett: [00:10:35] And they, uh, so I was helping my, my co-writer Aaron get a packaged together because we’re going to start doing some videos like YouTube, uh, just dev REL stuff. And, uh, and so I helped her put together like a video package proposal to get some hardware for her. And I figured she would be the on-camera personality and I would [00:11:00] handle editing.

[00:11:01] But then my manager said, oh, no, it would be better to have two on-camera personalities. And you guys could like take turns and do some back and forth then. And so now I’m getting a whole slew of a camera and lighting and green screens and everything. Um, I’m a little bit like I’m not shy. Uh, I, I, uh, I do get self-conscious, um, but like I speak it like Mac world and max doc and.

[00:11:32]I, I do

[00:11:33] Christina: [00:11:33] You’re on a podcast right now.

[00:11:35] Brett: [00:11:35] well, yeah, talking like I have a face for radio. That’s not a problem. I don’t get self-conscious about like my voice or anything. Um, I do, I hate my teeth. Like I hate seeing my teeth and oral. Surgery’s not going to help that. Um, well, because it’s all the back teeth, but anyway, uh, it’s going to be interesting.

[00:11:57] I can do it. I I’m, I’m fine with [00:12:00] it. I just, uh, I don’t know. I prefer to be the behind the scenes, the voice in the background.

[00:12:08] Christina: [00:12:08] What, Um, what camera are they going to get you?

[00:12:10] Brett: [00:12:10] Um, I picked out, uh, Panasonic something seven. Uh, I went through a bunch of reviews and that was the one that, uh, for, uh, for a reefer model was kind of within budget and highly rated for video.

[00:12:28] Christina: [00:12:28] Nice. Yeah, I think I know what model you’re talking about or like, yeah, I’m pretty sure it’s like a or

[00:12:33] Brett: [00:12:33] Yeah, I wanted to say G seven, but then I felt like that was a pop song, like a G seven.

[00:12:39]Christina: [00:12:39] Uh, I not sure. I don’t know about that, but I, uh, uh, yeah, so, so there’s that. And then are you going to get a, um, yeah, that’s a, that’s a pretty good, um, camera, um, uh, for, for, from what I remember, cause when I had to go through and buy a bunch of video stuff last year, when the pandemic hit, I wound up getting a Sony, a [00:13:00] 6,400.

[00:13:00] Um, but uh, I’d looked at the, the Panasonic. I looked at some other things I wound up going with the Sony, but that was probably, it was probably overkill. Um,

[00:13:11] Brett: [00:13:11] How much is that on? Cause I haven’t, I haven’t made the purchase yet. I just got approved for my aunt’s about the same price, really. Um, I just got approved for my corporate Amex card,

[00:13:23] Christina: [00:13:23] nice.

[00:13:24] Brett: [00:13:24] but I won’t have that for another three weeks. So I still have time to.

[00:13:27]Christina: [00:13:27] I don’t know what it would be like on refurb. I think it was, I think it’s like a thousand dollars MSRP, which is overkill for, for unlimited 900 Yeah. So,

[00:13:37] Brett: [00:13:37] or, or what kind of lens did you get with it?

[00:13:40] Christina: [00:13:40] oh, I just have like the Stocklands

[00:13:42] Brett: [00:13:42] well, it’s 900 for the camera only with a 50 millimeter lens. Then it’s 1200. That’s that’s good. That gets more up there.

[00:13:51] Christina: [00:13:51] yeah. So

[00:13:51] the one that I’ve got is I’m looking at what BNH has. I have the 16 to 50 millimeter lens and it’s like a thousand dollars from BNH. So [00:14:00] that was about what I spent, I got from BNH and then, um, and that was honestly, I knew that was overkill when I bought it. Um, I think though, but it was hard, there was a weird thing where it was hard to get cameras at the time.

[00:14:11] I don’t even know if, and I’m not sure if the G seven was out yet. It might’ve been, but it was one of those things where, you know, I, I just, I was like going to get like, uh, like, like I was looking at like some 10 80 P cameras, which would have been fine cause I don’t broadcast in 4k, but then I was like, well, maybe I want 4k.

[00:14:27] I don’t know. Um, and then there were some like other models and then one of my colleagues ended up getting it and I was like, fuck it. I’ll just, I’ll just get this one. Um, and then I use the cam link, uh, as, as my interface, which is great.

[00:14:41] Brett: [00:14:41] we’re getting that.

[00:14:42] Christina: [00:14:42] If you can’t get the cabling for some reason, the HD 60, um, uh, S is, uh, Like, uh, they’re streaming, um, dongle, um, the, the, the plus version, the 60 S plus, which is only sold at best buy will also [00:15:00] work as a can, like it has the same hardware, so it’ll, it’ll have the same thing.

[00:15:04] So for some reason you can’t get a cabling 4k, it’s like $50 more, but you can get the, the 60 S plus, um, from Logato and it as that. And I know this because I was able to get a cam link, but I first got the 60 S plus and then was able to score a cam like another way. So this is why I know these things. So,

[00:15:23] Brett: [00:15:23] Yeah. I had fun talking with Ashley about video equipment. That was last time she was on systematic. That was a major focus of the show.

[00:15:31] Christina: [00:15:31] Yeah. I was going to say she would know even more than like I would in that, in that case, but yeah, but, uh,

[00:15:37] Brett: [00:15:37] I couldn’t afford the light. She recommended those were, there were like a hundred dollars per light and then like a thousand dollars for the set.

[00:15:46] Christina: [00:15:46] Yeah. no, I think you can get like a key light or, um, like, uh, even like a ring light or something. We’ll be, we’ll be good.

[00:15:52] Brett: [00:15:52] W we ordered, we, our, our package includes two led panel lights and a ring light, which I think will be perfectly [00:16:00] sufficient for what we’re going to do.

[00:16:01] Christina: [00:16:01] 100%, 100%. So, um, let’s talk about Brett’s mental health. You talked about it a little bit, but you said you’ve been depressed. What’s been going on

[00:16:11] Brett: [00:16:11] No I’m doing that. Uh, I don’t know, have the manic episodes for, for a while now. And I just get a, I just get a week or so of being low energy. I’m not, it’s not depression. Like the world sucks. I don’t want to be here kind of depression. It’s just like, I just don’t feel like doing anything and I’m low energy and it’s really difficult for me to pay attention to stuff.

[00:16:42] And it’ll last, I don’t know, three to five days, and then I’ll be fine again and rocking at life. But at the moment, a little bit, uh, we’ll call it under the emotional weather.

[00:16:57]Christina: [00:16:57] I’m very sorry to hear that. And I [00:17:00] hope that it, it, um, fades quickly.

[00:17:02] Brett: [00:17:02] Hey, thanks. Yeah, it’ll be fine. It’s going to be fine.

[00:17:06] Christina: [00:17:06] It’s going fine.

[00:17:07] Brett: [00:17:07] Um, yeah, so my parents made the front page of the local newspaper

[00:17:13] Christina: [00:17:13] Nice. In a good way or bad

[00:17:15] Brett: [00:17:15] well, it depends on how you look at it. Um, they’re, they’re part of this Bible translation program

[00:17:23] Christina: [00:17:23] Okay.

[00:17:24] Brett: [00:17:24] where they’re, they’re translating the Bible and I don’t know which version they’re working from, but into this language called sun.

[00:17:35] And I can’t remember what it stands for, but it’s for blind and deaf

[00:17:39] Christina: [00:17:39] Oh, okay.

[00:17:41] Brett: [00:17:41] And so I guess if you’re like a Christian and you think that your interpretation of the Bible should be translated for, you know, uh, a population who. Would benefit from it in some way then I guess [00:18:00] what they’re doing is good.

[00:18:01] But for me personally, like I don’t like their interpretation of the Bible to begin with. And I feel like they take a lot of liberties with understanding the actual intent of 2000 year old text. And I don’t love the idea of them, uh, being in charge of someone else’s understanding and interpretation of said text.

[00:18:29] So it’s a weird spot for me, cause my mom’s like super proud of it. Like it’s been, uh, her, her kind of like focus for over a year now. And so I have to just kind of keep my mouth shut about it.

[00:18:44] Christina: [00:18:44] Yeah. Yeah.

[00:18:45] I think so. I think that, I think that makes sense to think that, um, yeah, I’m looking this up now. This is like the symbolic universal notation, a new way to reach the deaf and blind. Yeah. so it’s, um, like I, I hear what you’re saying and I [00:19:00] totally really respect the whole, like, you don’t agree with their interpretation and don’t necessarily want them in charge of that stuff.

[00:19:08] I think that’s really fair, but I also think. Ideally, you know, this isn’t the only translator that will be available of something like this, for people who are, who are both deaf, deaf, and blind. Um, I, and I’m not sure if this specific language is like specific from like this Christian point of view or if it’s something else. I don’t think that it is, um, uh, oh, no, actually it seems like it is

[00:19:34] Brett: [00:19:34] it very much is. And, and because it’s such a limited set of characters, like they, it’s very broad strokes like

[00:19:44] Christina: [00:19:44] right. Okay. I’m, I’m looking at this now. Yeah. I’m reading about this now. So it’s, it’s, it’s symbolic universal notation, and it’s a program that.

[00:19:50] brings a scripture to the illiterate deaf, as well as the deaf blind using a symbolic system of writing the literate, deaf who are not educated in sign language, as well as the deaf blind can read [00:20:00] God’s word for themselves. I mean, okay.

[00:20:03] Brett: [00:20:03] do they need it? Is the question.

[00:20:06] Christina: [00:20:06] I don’t know. I think. I’m in a weird position here. And the one hand, like I actually am very much in favor of translating works of, of all religions into things that, that the blind and the deaf whatever can, can consume. Um, maybe not this approach per se. Uh, like I would prefer it to be like from, in, in a format that is not tied to a particular ideology, right.

[00:20:30] Like, you know, like, but like I’m very much in favor of, uh, braille Bibles or, or, or Kranz or, or, um, you know, uh, Torres or whatever. Like I think that that’s really important to be able to translate and have available famous texts, whatever we may think of them, uh, for, for people who consume things differently. I, actually think that’s really important. Uh, I don’t personally love that maybe this is coming at it from this specific place, [00:21:00] but I also want to acknowledge. This is a nice thing, and it’s a good thing that they’re doing. And, and that, you know, like, I don’t know, I, I don’t feel like the world is worse off because there’s more education out there.

[00:21:15] Even if it’s not education that like we agree with.

[00:21:19] Brett: [00:21:19] find fundamentalist education, very traumatic for people. And I just, I think like I’m fine with literary works and, and education, but, uh,

[00:21:32] Christina: [00:21:32] Oh yes. As you can. I guess education is the wrong word. I guess. I’m not, I hear you on that traumatic thing. I guess. I don’t, I don’t feel like the world is worse off. If there are more books

[00:21:44] Brett: [00:21:44] Right? No, and I CA I can agree with that there. Yeah.

[00:21:48] Christina: [00:21:48] it’s I, I get it.

[00:21:49] Brett: [00:21:49] If we were talking about, if we’re talking about a braille translation of something like a king James version that could be viewed as historical literature, [00:22:00] I would have a slightly different feelings about it. Then translating like one person’s distilling of the NIV into what like 52 symbols to represent like all of the ideas and it, it, it gets ugly.

[00:22:17] We don’t have to keep talking about this. It was,

[00:22:20] Christina: [00:22:20] no, I, you just kind of brought it up and I’m sorry. I didn’t mean to go on a tangent on it, but yeah, I, I,

[00:22:24] Brett: [00:22:24] I totally brought it up.

[00:22:25] Christina: [00:22:25] know, but, uh, but, but I, but I totally like, I understand like your hesitancy there. I mean, like on the one, but I mean, I, the only thing I’ll say is like, that sounds like a lot of work, so I’m sure they’re very proud of what they’ve been doing, even if it’s not something that like you are.

[00:22:40] I agree with

[00:22:42] Brett: [00:22:42] Yes, and I will be nice about it. I will smile and nod. Uh, my mom even asked me for help one week to see if her translation of very innocuous verse was like legit. And [00:23:00] I was just like, yeah, no, it seems like you captured the idea of this. Uh, just, I don’t remember what it was. It was like something from numbers or Deuteronomy or some inconsequential book anyway.

[00:23:15] Uh,

[00:23:16] Christina: [00:23:16] the, the last thing I’m going to ask, and then I swear we can move on, but because this is going to kill me, if I don’t otherwise, do they at least work with experts in language? Like for people who work with, with, so they don’t like work with people who work with the deaf blind or, or with, or with the

[00:23:35]Brett: [00:23:35] no.

[00:23:37] No, Nor nor with people who actually understand Bible translation in general, it’s very much, here’s some words make them make sense using these characters.

[00:23:48]Christina: [00:23:48] Okay. All right.

[00:23:50] Brett: [00:23:50] Um, we should, uh, we should, we should talk about this week sponsor,

[00:23:54] Christina: [00:23:54] We should,

[00:23:55] Brett: [00:23:55] which I, there is no segue here. Like

[00:23:58] Christina: [00:23:58] there is no segway here,

[00:23:59] Brett: [00:23:59] not be done.

[00:24:00] [00:24:00] Christina: [00:24:00] well, I was going to try and be like, you know, um, look, it’s, it’s a better segue than after you talked about food poisoning. I mean,

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[00:27:41] Brett: [00:27:41] So I, uh, I, I told you at the beginning of this episode that I didn’t have anything to talk about and you’re going to have to drive the conversation, but I keep, I keep wanting to talk about stupid stuff.

[00:27:52] Um,

[00:27:53] Christina: [00:27:53] I have. I have you go first because I, but I do have a stupid thing I,

[00:27:57] want to talk about, but I want to hear you first.

[00:27:58] Brett: [00:27:58] so I, my, [00:28:00] my, my, uh, Synology died, but had that happened last time we talked.

[00:28:05] Christina: [00:28:05] It had not, it had not,

[00:28:07] Brett: [00:28:07] Um, so I have like 12 terabytes of storage on a Synology and it started resetting. Apparently this is a thing that happens where the reset switch goes faulty. So like every day I would, I would log into it and the web interface would tell me that I had reset it.

[00:28:28] And I had to re-install all of my packages. And fortunately, like, my data was always there, but like my, my get server, my Plex server, all of that just kept disappearing.

[00:28:39] Christina: [00:28:39] Right.

[00:28:40] Brett: [00:28:40] And, uh, so I went to, I went through their support and I was two months out of warranty, but they were like, don’t worry about it. I got approval.

[00:28:51] Here’s an RMA send. I got my new unit, uh, two days ago and everything is back up and running [00:29:00] and I didn’t lose any data. And I’ve heard from one other person that they had a rough time with Synology support and being just like 90 days out of warranty. But I had a great experience. I’m very happy with Synology right now.

[00:29:16] Christina: [00:29:16] Yeah.

[00:29:17] I’m actually really happy to hear that. So I haven’t had that issue. Um, although I have dealt with them for the support in the past, and I’ve had really good experience and we’ve got, we have a couple of units and one of ours is a few years old, but one of them is like, at this point it’s like eight or nine years old.

[00:29:31] I think it’s like a 20 it’s like, it’s like the 18, 13 plus or something. And so it’s, it’s old and, and we definitely need to replace it, but it’s still chugging along, like it’s far out of warranty. Um, but it’s, it’s been great. I mean, but, um, it’s interesting. You bring this up because people at Western design.

[00:29:49] Brett: [00:29:49] Yeah.

[00:29:49] Christina: [00:29:49] Has had all the tax and, and people have been like asking, like, what are things I should use? And, and I had said, Q nap, you know, might be an option for some people. Um, I, I’ve used their [00:30:00] some before. I’ve never owned it, but I have used their stuff before, but I’ve, I’ve owned Synology stuff, uh, since like 2012.

[00:30:06] And so, um, I, uh, I can give them like a a personal, good recommendation, but I really like hearing that you’re two months out of warranty and they still set you up. Like, that’s really great. Cause I don’t even know if they’re still in business, but you remember Drobo.

[00:30:23] Brett: [00:30:23] I, I have a Drobo here. If anyone wants, uh, uh, UN uh, NAS, that will almost definitely fail on you.

[00:30:30] Christina: [00:30:30] Yeah. I was going to say mine failed on me. I was out of warranty and I think their warranty was fairly limited and, and they were like shitty about It and they were, and not to be whatever. But, and I, I tried to never pull this. I really do my best to never pull like the, do you know who I am card, but, but, but at the same time, like, and you’re in a similar situation because you have a lot of followers and people who buy these things, follow [00:31:00] you, that if you are a company that knows anything, like at the very least, like you should, you know, I don’t know, look into who your customer is before.

[00:31:10] You’re just like completely unhelpful. And I didn’t drag them online. I didn’t do that. Um, I could have, but I didn’t, you know, I just didn’t want to kind of go in that way. And I lost data, uh, that was,

[00:31:21] Brett: [00:31:21] five terabytes, including a couple years' worth of like photos that are just now completely missing from my, my life. This is before like everything was on iCloud

[00:31:32] Christina: [00:31:32] Yeah, right? No. yeah.

[00:31:34] My mine, mine was years and years ago and I didn’t lose that much stuff, but it broken it in was like their support was terrible. And I was just like, fuck this. But, um, the fact that mine, like the software still works. It’s good, but I’m, I’m actually really like, uh, in begin to use a Simpson’s fake word to hear that they are, uh, they took care of you.

[00:31:55] Like that’s actually really great.

[00:31:57] Brett: [00:31:57] Yeah. Yeah. Like a [00:32:00] significant amount of data. And if anyone wants my recommendation Synology plus Seagate drives are going to it. You’ll do fine. Like, I feel very secure with that. I wish it were more affordable for me to have an offsite backup of 12 terabytes of data.

[00:32:16] Christina: [00:32:16] too, me too. But unfortunately the data hoarder people and people like, us have ruined that for them consumer backup services or whatever.

[00:32:24] Brett: [00:32:24] like, so Backblaze does this thing where they’ll send you, uh, uh, uh, like I think they actually send out Synology units. I’m not sure, but basically you pay $3,000 as a deposit. And then for like $500 a month, you rent this large hard drive with as much storage as you need. You put all of your data on it and you mail it back to them, which at which point you get your three grand back, but you still pay the, the monthly rent on it.

[00:32:56] Christina: [00:32:56] The $500 a month on

[00:32:58] Brett: [00:32:58] They put it into [00:33:00] your Backblaze backup account, and then you have access to the data at the time you backed it up. But, uh, from that point on, you need to be able to continuously back up with back ways to keep it up to date. But if you do have 12 terabytes of retroactive data, you want to backup with like, Backblaze, they do offer, uh, an option.

[00:33:25] I won’t call it affordable because you could buy a bunch of new hard drives for them amount of

[00:33:31] Christina: [00:33:31] Yes. They also, they also let you, if you want to, you can use, like, I think it’s like their, their B2 system, um, where you can back up to that. And, and then, yeah.

[00:33:39] like you said, if you need to get that much data, it, I didn’t know that they had like the deposit thing, but it would make sense that they would like just have you mail it out rather than upload it.

[00:33:48] That makes complete sense. Um, and they’ve been doing that for awhile where I remember even years ago, like when they first started, they would like mail you out a drive that they needed to get you Len this is when we were talking to like, Good bites. [00:34:00] Right.

[00:34:00] Brett: [00:34:00] When that was a big

[00:34:01] Christina: [00:34:01] a drive, right? No, with that many terabytes. Yeah.

[00:34:04] I can see that if you needed an off-site storage thing, I’m going to be honest. I feel like if you have, if it’s like Data that you absolutely need. Cause I think for most of us, a lot of the stuff that we have, like it’s media it’s stuff that is not necessarily right. It’s so, you know, it’s like your photos and whatnot.

[00:34:20] Like, I can’t think of much stuff I have. It’s going to be past like the, the one terabyte space or the two terabytes that like you get with, you know, like with, with, um, with iCloud or with, with, uh, uh, one driver or Dropbox or whatever, where you would need to be paying ongoing costs. I feel like if you’re past that point, you’re probably somebody who should be a, that price is not going to be like.

[00:34:45]Turning you off

[00:34:47] Brett: [00:34:47] Yeah.

[00:34:47] Christina: [00:34:47] B exactly. It’s not gonna be prohibited, but B it might be one of those things where you’re like, okay, maybe I need to look at a different sort of storage thing. Like maybe I need to look at a different sort of off-site storage thing, you know, [00:35:00] more of an SMB type of thing, uh, for, for offsite backups, right?

[00:35:03] Like, like I could still have a Synology or, or whatever else in home, but maybe I’m looking at like a different, like offsite stuff, if that’s that crucial to you.

[00:35:12] Brett: [00:35:12] yeah, or maybe you have like two Synology. So you have redundant backup between between a couple.

[00:35:20] Christina: [00:35:20] the one experience we had is that several of our drives failed at once. And we were worried about being able to kind of rebuild the array when we were able to, we had to buy another unit. That’s how we got our second unit to kind of like. Get things back up and running the way that we could.

[00:35:37] And then we had to like replace all the drives. We were able to bring the array back and, and kind of save it. And it, it took a while, but we were able to do that. Um, and, uh, so that that’s been my experience, but I’m really glad to hear that they took care of you, especially since you were just so briefly out of warranty.

[00:35:54] Cause it sucks when it’s like that new and, and it happens, you know, [00:36:00] because, cause they’re, they’re not, they’re not cheap. Um, they’re really nice devices, but they’re not, they’re not inexpensive. So

[00:36:06] Brett: [00:36:06] Although the major costs of any NATS is the drives. And especially if you want to go like with a bunch of like 10 terabyte drives, you’re going to, you’re going to be paying thousands.

[00:36:20] Christina: [00:36:20] Yeah.

[00:36:20] Yeah,

[00:36:21] We found a deal. I don’t remember what size the drivers were. They might’ve been eight. They might’ve been six terabytes. I don’t know. We found a deal where there were certain Western digital. We just shuck them. But there were certain like, uh, the, their external drives, not the ones that are connected to the internet that were cheap, that were, that were cheap.

[00:36:41] And that like, it was on data hoarders. And like, we bought a bunch of them from best buy and then like shuck them because the drives inside were not terrible. Like, they weren’t the best, but they weren’t terrible. They were fine for our purposes, but we got a bunch of six terabyte drives.

[00:36:53] Brett: [00:36:53] man, that my book thing, I mean,

[00:36:55] Christina: [00:36:55] Oh my

[00:36:56] Brett: [00:36:56] be relying on a, my book at this point in history, but

[00:37:00] [00:36:59] Christina: [00:36:59] No, but that’s an appliance that is literally designed it like moms and dads, like the tech illiterate, like

[00:37:07] Brett: [00:37:07] anyone who missed this news story, people woke up one morning and their multi-terabyte, my book drives from its Western digital. Right. Uh, they were just, uh, just erasing themselves, which I believe turned out to be a zero day hack on old firmware. But, uh,

[00:37:25] Christina: [00:37:25] I get that, that for that one, I think it was. And then there was another one where I think they found out that the code was commented out, um, which would have allowed, um, them to require authentication, to log in, to access someone’s account. And it had been commented out like the logins have been commented out.

[00:37:48] So, I mean, the whole thing was just really

[00:37:50] Brett: [00:37:50] I would hate to work at Western digital on a morning like that.

[00:37:54] Christina: [00:37:54] I would too, but their response was up was, was kind of shitty. Cause they were kinda like, well, it hasn’t been supportive for six years, [00:38:00] which Okay.

[00:38:00] On the one hand fair on the other hand, if you know that that’s the case, like in my opinion, you should be pushing out something like the final thing you do when you push out a software update to that thing, which you can push out over the internet clearly because people were able to wipe stuff remotely should be a pop-up every single time somebody starts their computer.

[00:38:22] And it has, you know, that utility that’s running in the background that tells you this is out of support. This is no longer supported and you should not have this connected. Like, to me, that is kind of crappy because you’re literally selling this. You were selling this As a, as a solution for people to be able to plug it in and forget it.

[00:38:41] And so people are, aren’t thinking, well, I bought this six, seven years ago. Why do I, you know, need to like, who cares if it’s being supported or not? W, you know, a lot of people look at tech as um, you know, the same way that you would think about, and this is becoming less true, unfortunately, but like the way that we think about a fridge [00:39:00] or, um, you know, a pre completely online TV or, you know, like an audio

[00:39:07] Brett: [00:39:07] long as it’s working.

[00:39:09] Christina: [00:39:09] right.

[00:39:09] Cause it was working who cares if it’s being supported or not, you know, you’re not thinking about the fact, oh, this is connected to the internet and the security on this is so piss poor that we haven’t done anything to prevent people from accessing these things without a login. Which what the fuck, like I just, I don’t know.

[00:39:28] I was, I was, I was really, uh, sad reading about that for people. And then because there were like multiple ones that happen for multiple different devices. And I was just like, you know, um, the, it, it’s easy in a lot of cases to blame the user. And in this case, I’m just like, I I’m not, I’m not sure if I can agree with this because, um, it’s just like you sold something that was an appliance that you designed for people to be able to plug in.

[00:39:59] And then [00:40:00] you, you sold as a feature. You can remotely access this from anywhere like that was the whole point was that it was connected to the internet and you could log into this website and you could access your data. If you’re going to do that. And then you’re going to drop support are not updated anymore.

[00:40:13] Like, I feel like you need to make that abundantly clear every time you log in, every time you go to that website, every time did this is out of support. Like, I feel like that’s, you know, like I’m not, I’m not usually in favor of shutting down access. Like it could kind of go two ways. Like part of me wonders, part of me thinks in a case like this, that if you’re really going to not support it anymore, including security, like zero days and stuff like this, when it’s people’s data, pardon me, feels like, okay, well then you should have shut off.

[00:40:39]Thing, right. You should have bricked it. Um, but I can also, I I’ve been pissed in the past when companies have done that. So like, I’m, I can argue both sides of that, but what I think the right solution would be, would be to, okay, well, you need to have a banner on the client or the website or wherever it is.

[00:40:56] Like you need to have a banner that is very clearly saying, this is not a support. And [00:41:00] you were using this at your own risk, because if you don’t do that, then people who got this thing in the dissat and forgot it. And it’s been back in a baby photos and all kinds of other stuff. And hasn’t been attached to a cloud service in most cases because people haven’t thought they’ve needed to, and then they wake up one day and it’s gone.

[00:41:15] Like

[00:41:17] Brett: [00:41:17] Yeah, those, some of those stories from, like you said, from moms and dads and, uh, some of those, it was almost tragic. Like the stuff that they had, they had entrusted to that storage solution and never thought twice. I mean like you and I we’ve lost enough data in our

[00:41:36] Christina: [00:41:36] we have the,

[00:41:36] Brett: [00:41:36] we would never, we’ve never trust something like that.

[00:41:41] Christina: [00:41:41] No, but that’s because we we’ve been through it and we’re nerds and we’ve done this. Um, and you and I, God, going back to early episodes of over tired, like we’ve talked so many times about the importance of having redundant backups and backups for backups and whatnot.

[00:41:55] And cause we’ve, we’ve been, we’ve been screwed. Like we just stopped with the Drobo thing, but this just [00:42:00] still, it feels like, and I could understand if the drive itself died, like, okay, that shit happens. You didn’t back up, but it just felt like the stuff that happened here was. Really really bad. Um, and then there was, so it, you know, I, I, I, I don’t want to rant on that anymore, but that really, really upset me also in one case, I think in the second thing, someone found a flaw and address like their version of like one of their, their, my cloud OS like version three, which they no longer support, but this is the one that goes for their, their NAS devices.

[00:42:36] That was the, where they had like the, the authentication, um, bugs. So this was different than the, than the zero day. Um, but, um, this was a different zero day, I guess. And so these were their NAS devices and, and it was running an older version of their operating system that they only recently stopped supporting.

[00:42:55] Like they only stopped supporting it, I think in March. [00:43:00] And, um, Somebody like released a thing to them that basically said, Hey, there’s a security flaw. And rather than patching it for version three, they just introduced a new version and didn’t go back in and backfired it. So, but like security researchers like reached out to them and like, Hey, we found this thing.

[00:43:19] And they just totally were like, okay, well we’ll just fix it in our next version, which completely negates the fact that not all devices could run the latest version. Right. Which is shitty. And, and, um, and NAZA’s especially like I just mentioned, like the one I use is nine years old and it still runs the latest Synology software, which still gets security, updates and stuff.

[00:43:37] And Synology does a good job. Even, even backboarding security things to older versions of their DSM stuff, which is the way you need to do it. And because it NAS even more than like a personal hard drive or whatever is not something that you replace every few years, it is something that you typically have.

[00:43:55] And then you’re. You know, like gonna use it until it either was too slow [00:44:00] or it dies. Cause it’s a little more than like a LAN and an a drive interface. Like that’s all it is. There’s nothing that complex with it. Uh, the reason that like, I want to get a new one is because I want to do more server stuff at home lab stuff with it.

[00:44:14] But for all intents and purposes, you don’t need to do a Plex or Docker or apps or whatever. Like it’s literally Just like, like what our drill bows were, which were not even true. NAZA’s, you know, it’s just like,

[00:44:27] Brett: [00:44:27] read one drive.

[00:44:28] Christina: [00:44:28] it just weighed around one drives on like a, uh, an interface in like an ethernet Jack. Right.

[00:44:33] Brett: [00:44:33] Actually mine, mine wasn’t even network connected. I had to ha ha I had it running connected to an always on 2012 mini.

[00:44:41] Christina: [00:44:41] yeah, I did too. I think mine was like a 2009 mini.

[00:44:45] uh, so it was a similar, it was a similar thing. Yeah, your right mind wasn’t even never connected. Um, but the fact that somebody releases. Like less than know about it. They don’t bother to update it. And then the researchers, this is the most amazing [00:45:00] thing the researchers developed and release their own patch for that version of the software.

[00:45:04] And like they offered it to, after the fact they’ve offered to the Western digital, Hey, you can use this so that you could at least have a final kind of like, like patch or whatever for this version three to patch the security flaw. No, they don’t care.

[00:45:16] Brett: [00:45:16] Nah. So what stupid thing did you want to talk about?

[00:45:20] Christina: [00:45:20] Okay. So, uh, so this happened like Right. after we recorded the last time you and I recorded. So before Ashley and I recorded and before we took our week off, I, um, I went, so I went semi viral on Twitter. Uh I’ll I’ll share in, uh, the, um, the chat in, in our equip document rather than the tweet. So you can see it.

[00:45:41] But, um, I used to work with a guy named, uh, Felix salmon and all I can really say about him is that. he sucks. Uh, He wrote, he works at Axios where he’s paid. I don’t even want to know more than you and I probably more than you and I put together. I [00:46:00] know that for a fact, because of what he made at fusion, um, uh, slash Gizmodo media group, but he did this really terrible report on activities that are like their chief financial correspondent.

[00:46:10] And he was like my deep dive into unemployment fraud, quite possibly the largest theft of all time. Um, first of all, uh, I think that calling unemployment fraud, theft. Bit much, um, it, because like it says nothing of wage theft and all the other things that employers do, you know, against employees. Second of all, all the data in this quote, unquote deep dive, um, came from one company who reported a figure that had not been analyzed by anyone except for this company.

[00:46:41] Um, they, they claimed that the amount of, of, uh, unemployment, um, like fake unemployment claims that happened during, during because of COVID w totaled $400 billion. And The um, there, there have been some discrepancies in, um, I think unemployment results, but there’s [00:47:00] also been discrepancies in what companies, like what states have paid out.

[00:47:02] Like, there’ve been a lot of discrepancies. In some cases, people call something fraud when it’s not fraud. Like there was a case I think in Michigan where two box core was getting, um, unemployment stuff and it turned out it was a real guy named like the, the, the Republican politicians, the pro Republican politicians, you know, did this or whatnot.

[00:47:20] So.

[00:47:20] Brett: [00:47:20] governor had to come back and apologize. Turns out.

[00:47:24] Christina: [00:47:24] Turns out.

[00:47:25] actually there is a real, there is a different Tupac Shakur, like

[00:47:28] Brett: [00:47:28] Hm.

[00:47:29] Christina: [00:47:29] of course assholes. So his whole source on this was like, just this, this one company that is designed to basically be an auditor for, um, people who like for, for states that to claiming like, Hey, we’re going to audit and make sure that you’re not getting defrauded from unemployment.

[00:47:46] Um, if people finally found employment, this company by itself, people have actually had problems with id.me was the company. And so this whole thing came from this anti-fraud software provider. This is the only source of his data. And his deep dive [00:48:00] was literally, um, like a slideshow, like, so I know that Axios is all about kind of getting to like the heart of what you want to do, but it was a fucking show anyway.

[00:48:12] So it was a pretty egregious tweet that already, when I saw it. Was ratioed in ratio means that you have more replies or quote tweets than you have likes or like natural retweets. So more people are replying to you or quote tweeting you in a negative way than are replying to you.

[00:48:28] Brett: [00:48:28] Yeah.

[00:48:28] Christina: [00:48:28] Um, I responded because I used to work with this guy and he’s a, this is what I tweeted because I actually, before I tweeted this, I asked the group chat of people I used to work with and I said, should I tweet this?

[00:48:42] And they said, yes. And then I reworked it a little bit, but I made sure to take my personal feelings about him and like any, like, I was completely objective. Let me just put it that way. Like nothing I said was untrue and, and I didn’t like take any low blows. So what I replied [00:49:00] was amazing reporting from a person who got paid $400,000 a year.

[00:49:04] And in the year we worked together produced almost nothing, but who did spend his days yelling loudly on the phone with his kitchen contractor.

[00:49:12]Brett: [00:49:12] Perfect.

[00:49:14] Christina: [00:49:14] Yeah, So he, we found out because the union accidentally leaked pay data, that was, um, like that had people’s actual names on it. Uh, we found out that he was paid $400,000 a year.

[00:49:28] Actually it was 412,000 because the union mandated 3% annual increase. But we found out after, um, the fusion media group merged with the Gizmodo media group, which was previously Gawker media and it’s whole thing. And they, they shut down and laid off. I don’t know, like 60, 70% of fusion and moved to the remaining people into our office.

[00:49:51] Um, we found out how much he was making and everybody was kind of gobsmacked because the rumors had been, he was well paid and like, they paid a lot of the, [00:50:00] uh, fusion people, especially at the high, like the, the big names. They, a lot of them, when they joined the company, got paid a lot of money. Fine. Um, but he was still union eligible because he.

[00:50:10] Like managing employees or anything. So he was in our union and, um, we were all kind of gobsmacked because a, as I said, he literally almost never filed stories. And when he did file stories, maybe 500 people would view them. It was one of those kind of laughable things. But everybody, like the joke was kind of like, what does Felix do all day?

[00:50:29] Well, what Felix did all days, he would very loudly in our open workspace and our open office yell on the phone with his kitchen contractors about like the tile and other stuff that was that wasn’t coming in while also on slack, telling people who made $60,000 a year, that they really should think about investing in, um, redoing their rentals.

[00:50:51] Because if you’re in a permanent rental, it’s worth six months salary, uh, more ties to redo your kitchen because that’s going to serve you for a really long [00:51:00] time. And, and, and it’s actually cheaper that way than, than owning or some shit, the people who are like, I have a whole. In my kitchen for people.

[00:51:08] Like I have lots of holes. People are like, my landlord was on, you know, like picks Eleven’s, um, like, uh, like landlord watch thing. You know, people are like, I had to steal bread from the office to eat like real talk. And then you have this guy who we all know how much he’s making. Cause it, it got out, who’s doing nothing.

[00:51:27] And then his loudly yelling at contractors on the phone, he also did like a really bad video about anal sex. Um, again, I didn’t like do the low blow shit. I just was like amazing reporting from a person who got paid 400,000 a year. And in the year we worked together produce almost nothing, but who did spend his days yelling loudly on the phone with his kitchen contractors that sweet.

[00:51:48] I expected maybe 50 people to like it, like, cause I replied, I didn’t quote, tweet him. I didn’t like do whatever I, it was a reply. It did, it had 511 retweets, 144 [00:52:00] quote tweets, 7,286 likes. And um, Uh, hundreds of replies. So, um, like 175 replies. So it got 525,000 impressions, 80,925 total engagements. Like I it’s, it’s probably been seen more than almost any tweet I’ve ever sent, which is ridiculous.

[00:52:30] And then the number of people who deemed me and texted me to like, thank me for like, writing that.

[00:52:35] people who buy their, used to work with him or know him or other stuff off the charts. So, uh, also the replies were all very good. It was mostly just people responding with like, Jeff’s, uh, you know, like yeah, it, which are very good.

[00:52:50] Um, and, and most of the quote tweets are things like, hello. I’d like to report a murder and whatnot. And, uh, anyway, so, um,

[00:52:59] Brett: [00:52:59] You’re doing [00:53:00] the Lord’s work.

[00:53:01] Christina: [00:53:01] I, I, yeah, honestly, Almost never weigh in on this stuff. I almost never do like in this way, but it just, I couldn’t, I couldn’t win this guy is talking about the, the largest theft of all time.

[00:53:13] And I’m like, you fucking asshole, you fucking asshole of all people. Um,

[00:53:19] Brett: [00:53:19] Calacanis with, uh, with the Simpsons Jew

[00:53:22]Christina: [00:53:22] yeah, no, I

[00:53:24] Brett: [00:53:24] He’s already dead

[00:53:26] Christina: [00:53:26] yeah. I mean, it was just, yeah, so, so that’s my stupid internet thing. That’s happened several weeks ago, but I was pretty proud of it, but I was also a little bit like intimidated by it. I was like, oh shit. Like I didn’t, I didn’t mean for like,

[00:53:37] Brett: [00:53:37] There are way worse things to go viral for. At least you felt good about yours.

[00:53:42] Christina: [00:53:42] 100%. And it was also one of those things where I was trying to think of my mind.

[00:53:45] I was like, okay. You know, because I was trying to think, I was like, can, is there, is there any way that anybody can, you know, A he, you know, again, he makes more money than me and that’s fine. Um, uh, he doesn’t work that hard, which, [00:54:00] you know, it is also fine. What’s not fine. Is when you have those two things, then you’re talking about the greatest gift of all time when you’re writing a press release for some company that has a vested interest in stuff like, fuck you.

[00:54:10] Uh, also when I, I know for a fact like, like I could have shared other things, like I made a point to try to be like, as just factual as possible. Like, I didn’t want it to be, cause my, my sister, I was explaining this to her and she, he didn’t quite agree, but when I kind of explained it to her, I was like, look, I didn’t actually punch down, even though it would kind of, it would be impossible for me to, like, I didn’t bring anything in about his anal sex video.

[00:54:39] I didn’t bring any in, I didn’t bring anything in about his awkwardness. I didn’t bring anything in about like how badly written his stuff was. Like, there’s all sorts of stuff I could have done that would have been like.

[00:54:49]Brett: [00:54:49] What do you have to do to make 400,000 a year? I feel like there’s a, a ceiling on my potential income that will prevent me from ever making $400,000 a year.

[00:54:59] Christina: [00:54:59] Yeah.

[00:55:00] [00:54:59] same. So the real story is that he was, he came into journalism when they still paid magazine people like insane rates. Like there was a time like when like magazine money was massive and then he was early blogging and kind of made a name for himself. Kind of like the Matic Lacey is type like there are these people who, if you were a well-known blogger in the early two thousands, like the Mattick Lacey’s is the Glenn.

[00:55:26] Greenwald’s like the Felix salmons there. Uh like there are, are other people, um, Andrew Sullivan’s like where you will be paid.

[00:55:38] Brett: [00:55:38] Huh.

[00:55:38] Christina: [00:55:38] Like area Arianna Huffington, even before, you know, Huff post or whatnot, you know what I mean? Like she was like one of those types, like there, there are those people who will like probably always be able to make that kind of money because they had, were seen by established establishment.

[00:55:54] Like the people who don’t really know anything about media don’t really know anything about stuff, but they’re like, oh, well this is a big name. So [00:56:00] we’ll pay them this. Right. And, and like, I’m sure I have no idea how much someone like Maggie Haberman makes the New York times and some of the other, like really the columnists.

[00:56:07] I’m sure they make a lot, Kara Swisher I’m sure makes with your podcast and stuff at the times, I’m sure she makes at least half a million a year, um, just on that stuff. And then on our outside stuff and, you know, she, she’s clearly making, I would guess over a million a year, I’m guessing I could be wrong on this, but this is just my guests, her podcasts alone.

[00:56:26] I would think, you know, she’s, she’s making significant amounts of money. Um, but she works really hard and, and, and has, in my opinion, like I don’t begrudge that, you know, like Maureen died. I’m sure makes $400,000 a year, but, uh, Yeah.

[00:56:43] Um, I don’t put him in that same category and I never have, he got lucky.

[00:56:48] And what happened was that when fusion was started, it was a joint venture between Disney and Univision and they were just giving out exorbitant salaries and he wasn’t laid off [00:57:00] until like, they were about to sell the company to the private equity people who paid like peanuts for it. And, and then I think they still paid off his contract, um, because he had, because I guess, and again, I’ve never made this much money and probably never will, but I think apparently when you make that much money, you usually have employment contracts rather than being like necessarily at will.

[00:57:22] And, uh, from what I understand, he then had like a period of time when he wasn’t working. Uh, he’d been kind of like, let go or whatever, but they still paid out the rest of his year and they just didn’t want to have it on the books when they sold it to the next company. So, and then, you know, Yeah.

[00:57:41] He also like did a slate thing.

[00:57:43] I don’t know anyway, fuck that guy. But, uh, but that was my very good tweet that went viral.

[00:57:49]Brett: [00:57:49] Cool. With our lesson two minutes. Well, actually, yeah, we have a minute and a half. I got to tell you about a cable management solution.

[00:57:57] Christina: [00:57:57] Yes, please do.

[00:57:59] Brett: [00:57:59] So like, I’ve been [00:58:00] like one weekend at a time continuing to make my cables prettier and prettier. And so, you know, what, what like cable clips you use under your desk? And the problem I’ve always run into is if you get enough cables packed into one, then it puts enough tension that the adhesive always comes off.

[00:58:23] And then you’re just left with cables with, with clips on them hanging under your desk. So I found these things, um, they’re cleverly called, uh, adjustable cable clamp. Um, they’re from a, uh, I believe Taiwanese manufacturer, but I will link them on in the show notes here. I’ll show you these in Quip here. Um, They, they have like a ladder style instead of like the little ratchet, zip tie kind of thing.

[00:58:59] They have this [00:59:00] ladder style, big, uh, big holes in a big tab that, that locks them in place and undoing them, undoing them. You just pull down on them and push and you can undo them. And they have a little hole in the metal and they come with a bunch of tiny screws. So you can actually screw them under your desk.

[00:59:21] They can hold a huge bundle of cables or they can tightly hold just a couple of USB cables. Um, they’re big enough to hold entire like power cables and

[00:59:32] Christina: [00:59:32] yeah, this is

[00:59:32] Brett: [00:59:32] perfect. Yes, I am

[00:59:34] Christina: [00:59:34] No, this is great. Yeah.

[00:59:35] I, I might get some of these cars under my desk. I do have like a cable management, like tray thing kind of solution. And it has some like, clips, like you said, but not like this where you can very easily expand it because usually like, at least in my case, like I have to like cut them and like redo them.

[00:59:52] Brett: [00:59:52] Right. And these are like 28 cents a piece. They’re not, they’re not fancy that I I’m loving them. They’re the best solution I’ve found [01:00:00] so far.

[01:00:00] Christina: [01:00:00] That’s awesome. That’s awesome. Okay.

[01:00:02] Brett: [01:00:02] Just, doing my, my service for the readers or for the listeners.

[01:00:07] Christina: [01:00:07] listeners.

[01:00:08] know this is good, and this is important because you’re about to like, be, you know, filming yourself. So you need to, you know, clutter,

[01:00:14] Brett: [01:00:14] Oh my God. I have to, I have to redo the whole back wall of my office and put up like a bookshelf and some shelves with like my YouTube awards on them. Uh, probably need to repaint the whole thing. I’m just kidding. I don’t have YouTube awards. It’s just all of my favorite YouTube channels. They always have like one like little YouTube award up there.

[01:00:35] Christina: [01:00:35] I know, I know. I that’s, that’s a, that’s all, I feel like part of me wants to like start a YouTube channel, like, like, like do a real thing out of it just so I can get my own, um, uh, silver play button. Um, uh, we got a silver play button for, uh, for channel nine for Microsoft developer. Um, but like, I, I, I wanted to get to that point.

[01:00:54] Brett: [01:00:54] borrow that one?

[01:00:56] Christina: [01:00:56] I mean, I know cause you know, they want to in, in like the studio, [01:01:00] like the actual studio, so I can’t have it at my house. Uh, and it wouldn’t be fair. So, um, I, I do wish it was one of those things where like, they would let you have multiples, you know, like you could order multiples for all the people on your team, but they don’t let you do that.

[01:01:14]Brett: [01:01:14] Rules. All right. Well, thanks for, I, I feel pretty good. Uh, depression wise in this moment that you, you perk me up a little bit.

[01:01:27] Christina: [01:01:27] Yes,

[01:01:28] Brett: [01:01:28] It won’t last, I mean, this isn’t like it’s not fixable,

[01:01:32] Christina: [01:01:32] no, totally. but but

[01:01:33] Brett: [01:01:33] for the moment I’m actually feeling

[01:01:35] Christina: [01:01:35] the moment, well that’s good and hopefully it will only be a few more days of feeling like shit and then you can go back to feeling. Yeah.

[01:01:44] Brett: [01:01:44] Yes. I have a second appointment Monday, which won’t actually, you know, take appointments. Don’t fix anything, but maybe

[01:01:51] Christina: [01:01:51] I mean they don’t, but like, you feels better to talk about stuff. I actually have a sh I have a string appointment in like 25 minutes.

[01:01:56] Brett: [01:01:56] Oh, we’ll have fun with that.

[01:01:58] Christina: [01:01:58] Thank you. I appreciate it.

[01:02:00] [01:01:59] Brett: [01:01:59] And then get some sleep, Christina.

[01:02:01] Christina: [01:02:01] Get some sleep bread.