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Christina: [00:00:00] [00:00:00] You are listening to overtired. I’m Christina Warren. He’s Brett Terpstra. How are you doing Brett?

[00:00:09] Brett: [00:00:09] I am. I am so tired. I feel like that should be our theme song. Oh, wait. It is.

[00:00:16] Christina: [00:00:16] Oh, wait. It is.

[00:00:16] you did you made that our theme song? So tell me what’s been, what’s going on.

[00:00:21] Brett: [00:00:21] Oh, meetings, meetings, meetings. And it’s not like I have to pay a lot of attention in about half of them are only tangentially related to me at this point, but I have to be there. Uh, and so there’s still like that energy drain of. Of looking good on camera. Um, it I’ll get used to it. I swear. I will like, I, this is just my life now and I have to deal with it.

[00:00:47]Christina: [00:00:47] Makes sense. Um, I, uh, I don’t, I’m trying to think of one point of the pandemic. I just stopped turning my like camera on. Um, but it did. [00:01:00] get to that point, for sure, for me,

[00:01:01] Brett: [00:01:01] I tried that I felt guilty because like out of 20 people in the meeting, I was one of only two that didn’t turn their camera

[00:01:11] Christina: [00:01:11] Right. No, see that’s always, the weird thing is like, what’s the social, like stigma on.

[00:01:15] this stuff. And I’m always like, ah, like, yeah.

[00:01:19] Brett: [00:01:19] I am the only person in those large meetings with a messy office, like my

[00:01:24] Christina: [00:01:24] Oh, I hate that shit too.

[00:01:26] Brett: [00:01:26] On camera. It is clear that I work in the basement and it is, it’s not a disaster, but I would call it cozy for an ADHD person it’s cozy. Um, everyone else has the sterile white background sometimes with artwork and plants and I’m like, shit, I can’t compete with that

[00:01:46] Christina: [00:01:46] I know I look at that too. I look at that too. And I’m like, yeah, bro, blur filter.

[00:01:50] put in some other things. Sometimes I just turn it off. Cause I’m like, I don’t want you to see the mess that I’m in, that I’m trying to do. I’m like, I’m trying to get my office in a good place, but this is one of the many things I hate [00:02:00] about like the current remote culture we’re in.

[00:02:02] And like, I know you’ll always be from home, but now there’s this weird. But like before, like when more people are in the office, if you do have the person who’s remote. Like, you’re not staring at them necessarily. Like you don’t feel on display even if you’re the person who’s calling in, because you’ve got a bunch of people in a conference room it’s just, it’s different.

[00:02:21] And now it’s like, Oh, I have to have my camera on. And I do I need to have makeup or can I not? Or do I. You know, have to like have my background clear or like, what if they see that I’m in a kitchen someplace? You know what I mean? Like it’s just, there’s, there’s all these politics around like showing off your place.

[00:02:39] And I’m like, I don’t get paid enough to buy a house, to have room to, you know, do a lot of these things. So it’s Yeah.

[00:02:47] Brett: [00:02:47] There’s one guy who’s like, he’s like a manager on our team and he always shows up, uh, On screen on a treadmill. So he has like a treadmill desk, I assume, but he, [00:03:00] like, he spends the whole call bobbing up and down a little bit. And it’s comforting. Like I keep thinking I’m going to break out my treadmill desk and we’ll just be like treadmill bros.

[00:03:10] But, um, and there’s one woman who. Who clearly, like she has kids running around in the background. And so if you have kids running around in the background, like any mess that’s there, it kind of becomes forgivable. I think socially and hers isn’t even messy. So good on her. Congratulations.

[00:03:29] Christina: [00:03:29] Good for her. No, see, this is the problem. Right. Is a lot of the stuff it’s like, just, I’m like, I don’t have the excuses and I’m like, but I don’t want to be shamed. Like my house is my house. Like I live in a small, you know, I live in a two bedroom apartment, you know, I have like 980 square feet or something like that, which I guess isn’t small, but it’s small compared to a lot of people who have houses and more room and things like that.

[00:03:50] And, and you know, we’re not hoarders, but we do have clutter. And so I’m just like, I don’t. Yeah.

[00:03:57] Brett: [00:03:57] have a house and I have [00:04:00] an office. I have my own bedroom. I there’s a kitchen. There’s a shared living space. Uh it’s I mean, it’s, it’s a two story. Oh, well it’s like one story and a basement. Um, it’s a ranch. So there is no place in my house that has a clear wall. Like there is no place I can go to when I was trying to take my photo for the security badge.

[00:04:26] I couldn’t find a clean wall to take a security badge photo against if it’s not cluttered than it has wall hangs and photos and things on it there. And like yoga class, sometimes we go up against the wall and do handstands and stuff. I can’t do that at home. I have to like take pictures off the wall just to find a place to put my feet.

[00:04:46] Christina: [00:04:46] Yeah, I have main screen that it’s not mounted, but that I’m going to Mount that. I’m trying to use it. I’m going to. So I could Mount it to the ceiling. The ceiling is too high, so I’m going to like Mount it above the closet so I can pull it down and then have a green screen if I could use for purposes like that.

[00:05:00] [00:05:00] But it’s frustrating. Cause I’m like, I’m trying to turn my office into like an office slash studio slash all these other things and I’m like,

[00:05:06] Brett: [00:05:06] I just ordered one of those green screens that fits on the back of your chair,

[00:05:11] Christina: [00:05:11] Oh cool.

[00:05:11] Brett: [00:05:11] big light, it puts like a haloed green screen around you. I’m hoping I can make that work. Then I don’t have to clean my office because I’m

[00:05:19] Christina: [00:05:19] I know. That would be great.

[00:05:20] Brett: [00:05:20] it’s, it’s messy on when you see it compared to everyone else’s sterile.

[00:05:25] Rooms, but I am in no way motivated to change my office. I really like it the way it is. I’m like, I’m not ashamed of it. I just feel like there’s this standard that I’m supposed to live up to in a zoom call.

[00:05:40] Christina: [00:05:40] Right. No, I feel the same way. And I really, I hate it. I hate it so much. I’m like, can we just not do this? Like, I just would prefer us not to have this, this whole thing right now. Like, can we just put, like, I don’t know this performative stuff, I’m not a fan. I know that a lot of people are, but I’m like this underscores the fact that [00:06:00] at least in our profession, Even though we get paid a lot of money, you know, like comparatively for stuff.

[00:06:09] In many cases, it’s still not enough money to be a homeowner. And even if you are a homeowner, like working from home sucks, just it can have good aspects to it. But when everybody has to be on video and you have to do all the prestige, so I’m just, I’m not a fan. Like I, I miss the office.

[00:06:24] Brett: [00:06:24] I do not share that. I absolutely love being a homeworker a homebody, but

[00:06:33] Christina: [00:06:33] yeah.

[00:06:33] but you’ve done it for a long time, but it’s a different thing. And I think it’s also different. Like when you take a job and it’s under the context that it’s a remote job versus when you take a job and it’s not, and then it changes and you’re like, okay, like, I, You know, cause I also had my own office at Microsoft, so that was nice too.

[00:06:52] So yeah, it’s just, I’m not, I don’t, I don’t love it. It’s fine. It is what it is. It’s just,

[00:06:58] Brett: [00:06:58] You

[00:06:58] Christina: [00:06:58] yeah.

[00:06:58] Brett: [00:06:58] awesome about my [00:07:00] job though.

[00:07:01] Christina: [00:07:01] What’s that.

[00:07:02] Brett: [00:07:02] They want to convert like all of their content, documentation, uh, all their like public facing, uh, like dev REL content over to markdown. And,

[00:07:15] Christina: [00:07:15] Oh, wow. Heck yeah.

[00:07:16] Brett: [00:07:16] and I’m their guy. Like I remember this came up in the interview, but then I forgot that, like, by the time I actually got the job, cause there was like a month of waiting.

[00:07:26] I actually forgot what the job requirements were. All I could remember is thinking, Oh, I can totally do that, but I couldn’t remember what, so now it’s coming back up and, uh, my manager is in Rome and he S he pronounces Mark down like Mack down. And it took me a while to figure out what we were talking about.

[00:07:47] But once I did I’m super psyched. Like I get to convert like, HTML R S T uh, like restructured text and, uh, various other formats all into markdown. And that is [00:08:00] that’s where I shine. That’s like my bag.

[00:08:02] Christina: [00:08:02] No. I was going to say like this whole thing, this is, this is 100, like you were the right man for the job. Like if that’s all they wanted you to do, which obviously you’re going to be doing a lot more than that, but it, that was it. Like they would have hired the most correct person that they could have had, you know,

[00:08:16] Brett: [00:08:16] My first actual project though, is writing blurbs. That will be part of like an overview page. With, uh, you know, on AWS, it w if you log, if you’re like click up in the, uh, search bar, you have, you’ve used AWS. Right.

[00:08:36] Christina: [00:08:36] Oh, yeah,

[00:08:36] Brett: [00:08:36] And it brings down that panel with like all 100 services for like route 53 and EDC.

[00:08:42] Christina: [00:08:42] Yup.

[00:08:43] Brett: [00:08:43] um, like it’s basically a screen like that.

[00:08:46] And every service there’s almost 90 of them has to have what they, they co they want something clever. But right now, I’m just struggling to actually understand, [00:09:00] like, I’ll get it. It’ll, it’ll be like a compute bare metal and that’s all I’ll have to go on. So then I have to go look up like what this service is to Oracle.

[00:09:09] So I can not only understand it, but be clever about it. It’s an intro, but it’s a great immersion. Like I’m learning a lot about the company very quickly here.

[00:09:21] Christina: [00:09:21] No. I went through a similar thing when I joined the, uh, You, know, Azure is, is, I was like, I had to do some fundamentals, videos and stuff, and I had to do like a walkthrough of the, um, like. Uh, portal. And I was like, I don’t know what a lot of this stuff is. And so it was one of those things where I was like having to figure out, okay, does this, how does this like, relate to?

[00:09:44] And we actually have like internally we have stuff that compares like what some of our services are compared to like AWS, for instance. But there were some other things that like, didn’t fit with that. And it’s one of those things it’s like, okay, I have to figure out like what all this stuff does and what it means.

[00:09:58] And it’s a really good way of like, [00:10:00] learning. What your stuff is really quickly when you have to either write documentation or my case, like it was it similar thing. I didn’t have to write documentation. I had to build the tutorials and I had to do like the portal videos and some other stuff. And I was like, I don’t know what this stuff is.

[00:10:11] So now I’m going to have to figure it out. Cause I have to create content for it. It was a really good way to get started.

[00:10:16] Brett: [00:10:16] You, I know for a fact that you are better at like sitting down and learning that stuff than I am though. Like I get so overwhelmed so fast and like reading for comprehension is not my strong point.

[00:10:31]Christina: [00:10:31] Yeah. I’m not bad at that. Um, but the problem is, is that sometimes you can go into little tangents, like, Oh, you read something, then you try it out and then you go into. A rabbit hole on that. And, and it, you know, waste some time and sustained focus is sometimes the issue. So a lot of times what I’ll do when I’m learning stuff is I keep, you know, a list of links, like usually a Mark down list of links.

[00:10:52] And I try to create like a favorite soldier or whatever, or, you know, do something in Pinboard or someplace else and, and habit. So I have my resources so I can, you know, go to [00:11:00] later, but, um, our issue in, and I’m sure this is the same case with, with, uh, Oracle. Cause it’s the same case with every company is that we will have documentation.

[00:11:09] Within the documentation stuff for different things that will exist in multiple places. So, you know, because one team put it in one place, one team, put it in another. And so, you know, you wind up finding one bit of really useful information. You’re like, well, this should be linked here, but it’s not, but I found it through this link and it doesn’t land on this landing page and it’s not cross-referenced here, but it should be, you know?

[00:11:28] And so you wind up having to kind of create your own, own weird little like nest of where you’ve figured stuff out.

[00:11:35] Brett: [00:11:35] I’ll take that to the next level and say they gave me. Three different lists of services to write blurbs about, uh, ostensibly these were three different ways of seeing the same information. I converted them all into a list that I could diff the no two of those have the same names for the services. [00:12:00] Or existing descriptions.

[00:12:02] Like they are all, it’s three completely different lists as if they came from three different companies. And so like the first step, the last three days has just been trying to figure out what the canonical list of services is.

[00:12:16] Christina: [00:12:16] Right. Yes, no I, yup. Yup. Um, I haven’t had to do that exact thing, but we’ve run into, I’ve run into similar things over the year. Like when I’ve started. I actually think that the first product that I was working on when I joined Microsoft, which doesn’t exist anymore, there was. Um, there was a thing where you had to go through and we had to find like a listing of all of the stuff that existed, like all of the courses that existed on this platform.

[00:12:44] And we thought that we had a canonical list. We did not. And we had to kind of go through and like figure out where it was and then do an audit of what their links were and like what their dates were when they last been updated. Like there was all this stuff. And just getting to that point where we had like a canonical list of like all the things that were on [00:13:00] the platform was.

[00:13:01] More difficult than it should have been, but that was by virtue of the fact that there were three different management systems and two different builds systems for where the content was managed. It was, yeah, it was a lot.

[00:13:13] Brett: [00:13:13] I have a going back to the research thing. I have a tip for our listeners. And maybe you, have you ever gotten into the browser plugin where Kona.

[00:13:24] Christina: [00:13:24] I have not, although you have introduced it to me and told me how good it is, I’ve tried to get into it, but I have not been able to get into

[00:13:33] Brett: [00:13:33] Like if I, so I sit down and I want to start, you know, researching services and I know I’m going to be finding a bunch of links. I basically just open a new window. Give it, uh, give, give my like tap group a name. And then every tab that I opened becomes part of that group. And then I can just close that group and come back to it.

[00:13:51] Anytime it’s a tab manager, but it’s super, super slick. Super cool. I love where Kona. I’ve probably mentioned it [00:14:00] on this show before, but I honestly, I, I wouldn’t be able to work without it.

[00:14:07] Christina: [00:14:07] Yeah, that’s a, well, I mean, I’m glad that you don’t have to. I’m glad that you have that in your repertoire, so to speak,

[00:14:13] Brett: [00:14:13] I wonder if it’s actually pronounced work, Ana like work on this and work on that. I don’t know. Um, I really, that would be, uh, just poor spelling if that’s the case, but, um, speaking of day jobs, uh, I don’t have time to cook lunch anymore. And, uh, that’s I get, so I do the intermittent fasting thing, so I don’t eat until noon, but if I don’t eat at noon, things get ugly.

[00:14:42] Uh, and that means most days like a peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, my lunch, which isn’t great for me, but a ritual. Our our, our long time sponsor, the vitamin manufacturers, uh, just came out with a protein powder that I have been [00:15:00] using and loving. Can I tell you about it?

[00:15:03] Christina: [00:15:03] Please do cause they sent this to me, but it arrived literally as I was flying out to see my nephew. So I haven’t.

[00:15:09] been able to try it yet. So please tell me about it.

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[00:15:55] That’s a pun because you shake it up, you get it, you get it. Um, yeah. [00:16:00] So now that I’m super busy taking the time to cook lunch has been pretty much impossible. Uh, I’ve been using ritual as a meal replacement, which I asked them, can I use this as a meal replacement? And they said, yes, that’s what we made it for.

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[00:18:33] Christina: [00:18:33] That’s awesome. That’s awesome. Thank you ritual. And I’m, I’m, I’m excited to try this out when I get home, because I am in a similar situation where I sometimes don’t have time to take, to eat lunch or more accurately. I forget. So this is exciting. Yep.

[00:18:49] Brett: [00:18:49] you get like three back to back meetings and it’s really easy to forget other than like your raging headache that you haven’t eaten lunch.

[00:18:56] Christina: [00:18:56] 100%, although we’re pretty good. I also see that [00:19:00] this is the hard thing, cause I bet most people on your team are working West coast hours. So we usually don’t have, um, meetings during like 12 to one o’clock so that makes it easier. But yeah, since you’re two hours ahead. Yeah.

[00:19:16] Brett: [00:19:16] I, we, we, we, uh, most of the us part of the team is West coast. So we rarely had meetings before 10:00 AM my time, which is great. Cause I go to yoga three times a week and it’s usually goes till about eight 45. And I haven’t had to change that except for my manager is in Italy. And he was super excited to find out that I was two hours ahead of California, because that means he didn’t have to stay up till like 8:00 PM to have a meeting.

[00:19:48] So he’s been scheduling stuff at like seven 45 in the morning. He scheduled one for seven 15, and I had to say, no, that’s too early.

[00:19:56] Christina: [00:19:56] Yeah, which I think is fair. I think you can be like, yeah, look, I’m, I’m [00:20:00] really glad that I’m earlier than you’re used to, but

[00:20:03] Brett: [00:20:03] very understanding.

[00:20:04] Christina: [00:20:04] Yeah.

[00:20:06] I feel like an hour dude. Cool. Like two now you’re kind of getting to the point where like I’m not even awake yet. Yeah.

[00:20:13] Brett: [00:20:13] Well, that’s the thing is I get up at five 30, like every day, five 30, even on weekends. It’s just, my body is currently wired that way, except like that time between five 30 and. 8:00 AM or 9:00 AM. That’s like me time. That’s when I do personal coding projects and work on my office, set up and stuff like that.

[00:20:33] And it feels, I don’t want to give that stuff up. That’s like that’s Saturday time for me.

[00:20:40] Christina: [00:20:40] No, I think that makes sense. And it’s interesting because I’m not a morning person, but I do find that if I can wake up, like if I could have that say, you know, Hour and a half or two and a half hours to wake up and kind of get ready for the day. Then I’m actually really productive that I actually need to work on is, is waking up in advance.

[00:20:56] Cause usually what happens is I just wake up, you know, it would [00:21:00] either be just with enough time to get into the office. Cause I would usually take like either like a seven. 55 or like an eight Oh five. Like sometimes it was a seven 30, but it would vary like what time of, uh, like bus, like connector I would get, you know, and sometimes I would try to see if I could get like a, like a, like an eight 25 that would be like ideal.

[00:21:19] And then I would get into the office like a little after nine and, and that would be really good, but, you know, um, and so depending on the day, you know, might only need to wake up 30 minutes. And advance and then go across the street and catch the bus. But now, because I could just, you know, roll out of bed and go into the other room or sometimes just take the meeting from my bedroom.

[00:21:43] I ha I don’t have that me time. And I think that as an ADHD person and for lots of other reasons I need to do that, that’s actually been interesting. What’s going to be really interesting when I go back, um, on Saturday is my sleep schedule is, is so fucked right now [00:22:00] because I’ve been staying up with my sister every night with the baby and, you know, so that means going to bed.

[00:22:06] Like I w I went to bed at like 4:00 AM last night, and then I was up at like nine and,

[00:22:10] Brett: [00:22:10] I haven’t stayed up till 4:00 AM since I was, Oh my God. I can’t even remember the last time I stayed up past midnight.

[00:22:17] Christina: [00:22:17] Well, I mean, I, I frequently say past midnight.

[00:22:19] and do other stuff, but it’s just that what’s going to be weird about this is that. Like my body clock is also now three hours ahead. And so going back, I’m going to be getting used to both the, you know, staying up weird hours and being in a different time zone thing.

[00:22:34] And then it doesn’t help that I’ve got to sort of prepare myself because not next week, but the week after next is Microsoft build and I’ll be doing some of the late night hosting stuff. So yeah.

[00:22:47] Brett: [00:22:47] 8:00 AM. And then you could like do a full 24 hour reset when you get home. No. Then you’d be like 12 hours off that

[00:22:56] Christina: [00:22:56] Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it wouldn’t So I’ve got to, yeah, I’m just going to [00:23:00] be sleeping and trying to get into things. But I have a bunch of meetings Monday and Tuesday next week. So I don’t know. I’m my sleep schedule is fucked up. I’m going to be, you know, it’s going to be interesting to see how my body reacts and stuff next week.

[00:23:10] That’s for sure.

[00:23:11] Brett: [00:23:11] So let’s talk about your doge coin. This is our continuing saga we’re we’re in the, uh, the doge segment of the show. Now.

[00:23:19] Christina: [00:23:19] We are in the Dodi segment, the show. will fucking Alon, you know, totally whiffed on SNL. And that was when it started to really drop. And so my average cost cause I bought in too high, my average cost is now 24, uh, uh, 0.9, 4 cents. So almost 25 cents. So the current price as we’re recording, this is 38 five three.

[00:23:43] And. Dropping, but also going up a little bit. It, this is the lowest it has been in weeks. Um, and it’s funny because I remember when it hit for 20, like 42 cents, everybody was like, so excited earlier today. It was at like, 44 cents. [00:24:00] Um, it was at, I think it hit, um, like 47 or 48 cents yesterday. I don’t know.

[00:24:06] It’s down a lot. The whole, all of crypto is down a lot. So I’m only up as we record this, a little loan over $600, $620 and 41 cents. So I’m only up 55% right Now.

[00:24:17] Brett: [00:24:17] Yeah, like this slump took Bitcoin down, like 36%. Like that was a huge loss.

[00:24:23] Christina: [00:24:23] Yeah, no, he’s now at 48, um, eight five. And at this point, I mean, I’m kind of, I’m kind of looking at getting into Bitcoin, um, at least like fractionally, um, see if it drops any lower, because I think it’ll come back. But yeah. Um, I, Um,

[00:24:43] My, my doge green dreams, I was up like two grand Saturday. I should have sold Saturday.

[00:24:48] And I didn’t partially because I was with the baby. And then by the time it was dropping, I was like, well, maybe it’ll pop and I don’t want it to, I don’t want to lose stuff. And now I’m just kind of at the point where I’m like, you know what, this I bought into this. Cause it was [00:25:00] funny. And I

[00:25:03] Brett: [00:25:03] to play the choke out.

[00:25:04] Christina: [00:25:04] Completely. I mean, like here’s the, here’s the thing, and this is like the immense privilege, but I’ve talked about this before that this was money. I forgot that I had, and so I don’t really care one way or another. The worst thing that can happen is if I lose all of my investments, then I get a tax write off for that amount, which I can definitely use.

[00:25:22] Like, that’s the worst thing that can happen. So, yeah, I think I’m just going to play it out.

[00:25:26] See if it pops again and if it doesn’t and I’m down, if I’m at a loss. Womp womp, then it’s been really funny, you know?

[00:25:34] Brett: [00:25:34] So this, uh, this crash really was brought on. By Elon Musk doing a horrible job on us and no. And the fact that it was bad jokes that made a joke currency it’s uh, Michael of Baird said bad jokes. And no funny means leading to a dose crash. Absolutely makes sense. To me, it’s like an earnings miss, [00:26:00] but for a new era.

[00:26:01] Christina: [00:26:01] 100%. Um, there was, uh, there was another component to this, to this guy, uh, uh, Michael Silbert, who was like one crypto guy. I can’t remember what coin he was from, uh, where he was from, but he decided to get out and try to put it in something else. And he apparently had a really big position in doge. And so, and, and he got out like before SNL started, so that might’ve had something to do with it, but yeah, you saw it drop, like I was watching SNL and he was so bad.

[00:26:27] I was watching SNL being called an abelist, by the way, I’m an able to Snell Brett, because I said that a billionaire, um, famous person didn’t do a good job on SNL. And then people were like, Oh, well it’s because he has Asperger’s. And I’m like, I don’t actually care.

[00:26:42] Brett: [00:26:42] had Asperger’s.

[00:26:43] Christina: [00:26:43] Agreed. Well, that came out. But

[00:26:45] Brett: [00:26:45] Dan Akroyd was funny.

[00:26:47] Christina: [00:26:47] It precisely, like, here’s the thing. Um, I’m not going to give you an attaboy or like a good job because you have a disorder that in some people means that you’re not good at making eye [00:27:00] contact or, you know, you don’t have good timing and you can’t be funny.

[00:27:02] Right. And that’s not the case with all people, but it is the case, but some people, but like, It’s the same thing as that, if you have a profound speech impediment or stutter or something else, maybe you shouldn’t be a news anchor.

[00:27:14] And in fact, most news anchors you would be disqualified. If you had a really profound stutter or a really profound speech impediments from being a news anchor, you would be disqualified from that job. Uh, that’s a fact and that’s completely fair. So maybe if for whatever reason, I don’t care what it is and people I’m in love.

[00:27:34] Some of the discord let us know online. If I’m an asshole, maybe I, I admit this is an asshole thing to say, but I think it’s also pretty honest. If you have things going on, like he’s not a good public speaker and we know this, maybe those should be things that should be disqualifying for hosting a show like SNL, just a thought,

[00:27:50] Brett: [00:27:50] we have. We had

[00:27:51] Christina: [00:27:51] but it has nothing to do with his being Asperger’s.

[00:27:53] Brett: [00:27:53] had, we’ve crossed over into like the, who Christina has pissed off this week segment. This is cool.

[00:27:59] Christina: [00:27:59] Yeah, I was [00:28:00] going to say, um, yeah, no people were calling me able to send all this other stuff than somebody can compared me to a Trump supporter. And anti-vaxxers because I dared say that I’m entitled to say, I don’t think the guy is. Good At this. And he was like, well, you’re just want to be a hater. And I’m like, who cares?

[00:28:16] It’s not hurting him. I’m not punching down by saying that the guy’s a bad public speaker in his, and wasn’t a good host. I also said that the writing let him down and the writing was really bad. So it wasn’t the complete thing where it was all of his fault. Like the writing was also really, really shitty even for, you know, SNL standards, which SNL can be mixed, but, and that’s just my perspective.

[00:28:38] Some people write, but sometimes that’s an L. Nails it, sometimes it doesn’t like the thing is, is that, you know, like when you bring in non-performers to a show like SNL, the results are usually really negative, right? Like, this is why politicians, I don’t think should be brought on. Now. I know why SNL invited him.

[00:28:56] They wanted the ratings and they wanted the memes and they wanted, [00:29:00] you know, all the other stuff. That’s why you invite him. I get it. I’m not opposed to them inviting him. I just feel like it’s one of those things. Like there are some people who are going to be really good on television and there are some people who are really not, and he’s not good TV.

[00:29:14] Like, it’s just

[00:29:16] Brett: [00:29:16] Yeah,

[00:29:18] Christina: [00:29:18] you watching him on Joe Rogan get stoned. Like that’s one thing, but watching him on a comedy show, whatever and so bad, it, it, it lost me money. So fuck you along. I mean, I’m kidding. I don’t care.

[00:29:32] Brett: [00:29:32] cross promotion, my guests this week on systematic. We’re a, uh, a therapist who specializes in, uh, autism spectrum disorder and her daughter who was diagnosed with Asperger’s during the period where they were actually using the Asperger diagnosis,

[00:29:51] Christina: [00:29:51] was going to say, that’s the other thing too, like this has, this is no longer even part of the DSM five.

[00:29:56] Brett: [00:29:56] if you were diagnosed with Asperger’s during the [00:30:00] time of the DSM four, you do get to maintain the diagnosis. Like you can still call yourself an ass ASPE. Um,

[00:30:08] Christina: [00:30:08] so you can ask me.

[00:30:09] Brett: [00:30:09] Yes. It’s still a Git despite, you know, Asperger being a Nazi and all of this. But anyway, it was a fascinating conversation. I had them both on, I got to talk to, uh, both from like a parent, a parent who specializes in autism and a daughter who actually lives with it.

[00:30:27] And it was, it was a really cool conversation.

[00:30:29]Christina: [00:30:29] That’s awesome. That’s really good. I’m really glad to hear that.

[00:30:33] Brett: [00:30:33] So speaking of dose though,

[00:30:36] Christina: [00:30:36] Yeah.

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[00:32:57] Christina: [00:32:57] Okay. I appreciate that. But also I [00:33:00] appreciate the sponsor. I’m glad that they are doing things like that because it’s such. A ridiculous pattern that people can get sucked into, you know, paying off interest and minimum payments, not even paying off the interest. So.

[00:33:14] Brett: [00:33:14] Yeah. Oh my God. Credit cards are the worst. Like if you, if you, if you can pay your credit card bill off every month, it credit cards can have benefits. Like you can get your points and

[00:33:25] Christina: [00:33:25] that’s what I do. That, that’s what I try to do. That’s what I, that’s what I try to do. and I know that it’s not always possible to do that, but that’s what I try to do. Um, that’s actually one of the reasons why I like American express historically, is because most of their cards, aren’t charged cards.

[00:33:39] They’re not credit cards, meaning you have to. Like you don’t have a choice. Like you have to, um, pay it off at the end of every month. So.

[00:33:48] Brett: [00:33:48] you can’t spend money, you don’t have, uh, which is always my intention going into it. And then things happen that I can’t afford, but have to be paid. And I ended up putting them on a [00:34:00] credit card and thinking I’ll be able to afford this in a couple months, but then more shit happens and shit piles up and shit sucks.

[00:34:08] Shit, shit, shit. Anyway. Yeah. So. Uh, w I’m gonna skip, we were on the, we were on the, the Musk, uh, train for a minute there. And we could have talked about how a couple of researchers hacked a Tesla with a drone flying overhead, which is slightly interesting, but also, eh, I’m over it.

[00:34:32] Christina: [00:34:32] You’re over it. I mean, it’s, it is what it is. I mean, I think, yeah. W the one thing I do want to say about Musk, did you see how he also crashed Bitcoin? Because he said that Tesla won’t accept it.

[00:34:42] anymore. And. That he doesn’t want to, um, he like feels like, Oh, um, uh, you know, that it’s bad for the environment or whatever.

[00:34:51] Like all of a sudden he now like, cares about the environment.

[00:34:54]Brett: [00:34:54] It’s his, his stance on the environment is, uh, [00:35:00] frequently infuriating. Like he doesn’t believe the science. No, it’s it. Yeah.

[00:35:07] Christina: [00:35:07] Well, and also, it seems weird to me, like he’s still keeping his crypto holdings, right. So he’s still keeping his holdings in this stuff, but, and he’s like, I’m not going to cash out, but, um, we’re not going to accept it anymore. Which to me feels like, well, this just makes me see me. It makes me think you’re just.

[00:35:28] Not happy with like the price fluctuations of Bitcoin. And so, and it, and it’s worse, less than it than it was maybe. And so you don’t want to take the loss when converting it to Fiat, if that’s what you’re going to be doing with it. And I’m sorry to use the term Fiat because we should just call it real money.

[00:35:48] But you know what I mean? Like when you convert it into actual dollars, you would be at a loss. I mean, I don’t know. It seems. It seems weird to me. Like he’s not wrong that the environmental impact for each transaction [00:36:00] is terrible. Although a, I would question how many people are actually buying Teslas with Bitcoin. I, would imagine that it’s a very small number, right? So even though that’s not to detract from the environmental impact, but is also to say, I feel like this is, this is, this is covering up for something else. Is all is my, was my gut feeling. Uh, but anyway, that could also be why it fell, but it’s, it’s just funny how, um, there’s speculation, like, is he gonna piss off all the people who are, um, so, you know, in love with him with this stuff, I have no clue.

[00:36:35] Brett: [00:36:35] I, yeah, I don’t think, I don’t think those people will ever go anywhere, but if you ever want to like, uh, fully lose whatever respect you have left for, uh, Elon Musk, uh, there, uh, some more news Cody Johnson. Just put out a whole half hour episode on, on Musk and it is, it digs into everything that’s wrong with the [00:37:00] guy.

[00:37:00] And, uh, if, if the, if you want to know more, it is absolutely worth a watch.

[00:37:07]Christina: [00:37:07] Excellent. I will check that out, but yeah, this is, uh, this is interesting. Oh, so bad news. My dad has discovered YouTube. Yeah, because he watches a weird, like he watches some of those, you know, like weird gossip videos that, that get created that somehow get into your playlist and then sort of not full-on conspiracy stuff, but stuff that certainly seems weird and lots of covers of songs.

[00:37:34] And that, I don’t know. It’s just, there’s he watches lots of weird shit and I’m like, I don’t know what you’re watching. This Is a lot.

[00:37:44] Brett: [00:37:44] he going to get radicalized?

[00:37:47] Christina: [00:37:47] Oh, he’s already radicalized?

[00:37:49] That’s that’s that’s too late. The Fox news already ruined his brain. So that’s absolutely too late for that. But now I’ve discovered the YouTube stuff.

[00:37:57] I’m like, Oh my God, you be more of

[00:38:00] [00:37:59] Brett: [00:37:59] put some parental controls on there.

[00:38:02] Christina: [00:38:02] God. Um, he was showing us Tik TOK videos because he’s really into Elvis. He was showing us Tik TOK videos that he discovered on YouTube. And, and, um, my, my sister was like, you should explain tech, talk to him. And I was like, Kelly. No, what is the point? Like I’m not even sure bothering the guy is 76 years old.

[00:38:20] I’m not explaining to talk to him. I’m not doing that. I’m not getting into that. Let him find his videos online and enjoy it. And just think that it’s a YouTube thing fine, because he found all these girls dancing to Elvis songs and was really into it because he loves all of us. And I was just like, you’re such a boomer dude.

[00:38:35] You’re such a boomer. I love my parents. I really do. But my God.

[00:38:41] Brett: [00:38:41] Do you want to get to the really important topic?

[00:38:44] Christina: [00:38:44] Absolutely.

[00:38:45] Brett: [00:38:45] Monospace fonts with ligatures. Where do you stand?

[00:38:50] Christina: [00:38:50] Okay, so I’m in favor, but I know that that’s controversial because a lot of, uh, actual glyph designers dislike it. It depends on the font though. Like [00:39:00] I think in some fonts, I like it in some I don’t, but in general I do like it, especially if it, if there’s a font where it’s difficult to tell the difference between certain things and if you’re trying to customize your terminal, so.

[00:39:13] I I’m not against it, but I, I do understand why the purists don’t love it.

[00:39:20] Brett: [00:39:20] Well, I never liked it. Like it always, if I tried a new font and it suddenly changed like certain character combinations into symbols, uh, I always found that a little bit annoying enough that I would, you know, just switch to a different font, but then I found. JetBrains. And I loved JetBrains mano enough that I was willing to give the ligatures a chance.

[00:39:43] And now that I’m used to them, I can say that at least in this specific case, I’m actually really a fan of ligatures.

[00:39:53] Christina: [00:39:53] Yeah.

[00:39:53] I like, I like the brains monophonic. There’s also Cascadia code, which is our font for, [00:40:00] um, uh, windows terminal, which is really good. And I liked that one a lot. That also has a ligature option. There is somebody who has created a way to like add ligatures to operate our motto, which is the, um, uh, Hoefler uh, and company font that I use.

[00:40:18] There’s a, There’s one called a dank motto that I bought that I like, I think that one has a ligature option.

[00:40:25] Brett: [00:40:25] a really, I’ve never felt fancy enough to actually buy a license for operator, but there are a couple of open source knockoffs, and one that combines with, um, the lobster, the Google font lobster. Um, I Google probably didn’t make it, but that’s where I know it from. But anyway, it uses lobster for comments.

[00:40:45] Uh, italicized text is then in like a script and it actually looks really good.

[00:40:50]Christina: [00:40:50] Yeah, I like that too. Um, but it is one of those things, I think like once you get used to it, you really like it, but it is one of those interesting things. Like, and obviously like fewer code is like the [00:41:00] most common one. Right. And, and that was, you know, uh, somebody like added, you know, and, and updated like the, the, the fear of, uh, You know, um, Um, font and, and added that support to it.

[00:41:13] Now, do you get into power line stuff? That’s where

[00:41:16] Brett: [00:41:16] No.

[00:41:17] Christina: [00:41:17] I, I understand the appeal, but like that just kind of, I do do

[00:41:23] Brett: [00:41:23] mean like the prompt, right? Yeah. No, I don’t.

[00:41:27] Christina: [00:41:27] Yeah. I like, I see people who get really into that and that’s fine, but there is some times, um, Like, I think that, I don’t know, like, it’s, it’s a cross between me. I understand why people do it.

[00:41:39] And I, I get it. I do, I do do some customizations to like my term and within like my Zetia and whatnot to maybe add some stuff to do similar things to power line, but I don’t.

[00:41:50] do

[00:41:50]Brett: [00:41:50] I started using, uh, uh, prompt, uh, it’s available for fish. I don’t know if they were, it works in other shells, but it’s called Starship [00:42:00] and it makes all of the like, uh, Ruby versions and get status and all of that, like super easy to add to prompt. So I’ve, I’ve incorporated Starship into my. Custom prompt.

[00:42:11] And I still, like, I haven’t figured out what all of the symbols it shows in a get repo mean yet. Like I can put together from context that this means it’s dirty and this means it’s behind this many pushes, but sometimes it throws up character combinations that I don’t, I don’t know what it’s trying to tell me.

[00:42:31] I really need to look that up.

[00:42:32]Christina: [00:42:32] With any shell, because I’ve used it before. Um, with, with other shells, I’ve used it with, um, with seashell and, um, uh, Some other stuff, but yeah. Um, I think that it started out maybe as something that was part of, um, Oh no, it, it, it started actually, it’s part of the spaceship prompt, which was a Z shell prompt for astronauts, which I liked a lot.

[00:42:55] And, and, um, and, and now works at theirs, but yeah, that’s a, that’s a good one. I was like looking, I was like, [00:43:00] Oh, should I do I need to, um, favorite that? And It’s like, Nope, it’s already started. It’s already might get up stars already there.

[00:43:08] Brett: [00:43:08] it’s like when I Google how to solve a problem and I find my own block.

[00:43:13] Christina: [00:43:13] Yeah. No same thing. And, and nerd fonts do some similar things and that’s what some of what it’s using is that you’re able to kind of upend like the nerd font stuff to those things. So, yeah. Uh, but yeah, star ship, is it star ship.rs, um, is the website. And, um, we’ll put that in our show notes, but it’s, it’s a good, and actually there, um, I’ve used this one before, too.

[00:43:39] Cause I like it’s coloring a lot and I like, it’s like, I like the icons, but like you, some of the stuff I like have no idea what it is. I’m like this, this is confusing to me, but I like it.

[00:43:49] Brett: [00:43:49] speaking of my own blog, I, uh, I, so like part of switching to the M one Mac mini, uh, I think we talked about how, like my, [00:44:00] one of my biggest problems, what I was that I couldn’t sell older versions of Ruby on it.

[00:44:04] Christina: [00:44:04] Yes, you couldn’t compile your

[00:44:06] Brett: [00:44:06] Right. So my blog was stuck in whatever state it was in like eight years ago.

[00:44:11] And I finally, I sat down, I rewrote a bunch of plugins over the weekend. Uh, one, one step at a time fixed almost everything. Uh, I’m going to let go. Like I used to have a plugin that could, if you put in a flicker album ID, it would create a gallery. Uh, uh, the images from that album, uh, but I don’t really use flicker anymore.

[00:44:37] And I can, I can let that go. That I’m not going to put time into figuring that out, but everything else I think I have working, I think the next blog post I publish will be compiled on my M one Mac mini.

[00:44:50] Christina: [00:44:50] Nice. Nice. And so were you able to up, so were you able to upgrade everything then in that case? Or did you compile from source some of the old versions?

[00:44:59] Brett: [00:44:59] No. I [00:45:00] like, I got everything working with the latest version of Jekyll on

[00:45:03] Christina: [00:45:03] Okay. Got it. Perfect. Perfect. Well, I mean, then that’s a good thing, right? I mean, ultimately it would be better to not be on like a version of Ruby That’s been deprecated

[00:45:12] Brett: [00:45:12] Or, or a version of Jekyll that has like two major releases behind. Yeah.

[00:45:17] Christina: [00:45:17] Exactly. I mean, and it’s hard because if it’s something like a blog where you don’t have sensitive information and where, you know, it’s not like of the utmost importance and it’s not WordPress where people are, have like literally a bots who were crawling the web to try to find login pages and stuff.

[00:45:30] Like I get my WordPress site that I haven’t updated in years and years, I get emails every single day of lockout of IP addresses, trying to spam into it. I’m like, yeah. Good luck fuckers. The admin username doesn’t work. Because I changed it, you know, like eight years ago, because I’m not a moron. Um,

[00:45:47] Brett: [00:45:47] is just a static site. There’s

[00:45:48] Christina: [00:45:48] that’s what I’m saying.

[00:45:50] That, that’s what I’m saying. I’m like, I mean, maybe if you could pop into, if you could pop the containers and then you could get access to other parts of the server, but you know, who cares? Um, [00:46:00] So.

[00:46:00] I understand the point where at certain point, like you, you want to run the latest things, but at a certain point you’re like, it works.

[00:46:06] I don’t care. Screw

[00:46:08] Brett: [00:46:08] and if it were an easy, yeah. If it were just a matter of like updating the gem and, and using it, that’d be fine. But I had, uh, about 30 custom plugins that had dependencies that. If I upgraded Jekyll and the bundle that allowed it to run, it broke most of those plugins. So it was, it was, uh, I had to weigh how much time it would take to revamp them versus the actual benefit, which as we have just discussed, uh, was, was pretty nil.

[00:46:40] But now I, now I want to let go of my Mac book pro um, not my work one, but the one I just got a year ago.

[00:46:51] Christina: [00:46:51] Right. yeah, You’re you’re you’re 16 inch, right?

[00:46:53] Brett: [00:46:53] I still agree. Great machine. I, I love it. But now that I have the mini and a work laptop, I want to be able to [00:47:00] hand down the back book pro to the next person in line, uh, which would be L this time.

[00:47:07] Um, and I just, I need to know that all of my shit’s going to work on the mini first though, but I’m getting there. I’m almost there. I, so I wanted to add a second display to it. Uh, I have this, uh, older 27 inch thunder Thunderbolt display. And right now, my Dell, I have an awesome 32 inch Dell. Uh, you HQ something.

[00:47:35] It’s amazing. It’s an awesome monitor. It plugged into a display port, which is then plugged in through USBC. So I took the Thunderbolt and I put a converter on it from Thunderbolt two to Thunderbolt three, plugged it into the mini. Nothing happened. So I Google it turns out and he can drive one six K monitor off of [00:48:00] USB-C.

[00:48:00] But then the second monitor has to, it’d be, HTMI like a 4k over HTMI. And so I th I thought the Dell has a, uh, a plug for HTMI, but if I plugged the Dell in to HTMI, it just blinks on and off, and I cannot figure out why. So I’m left here with this super, I love this old Thunderbolt display. It’s a shame that I can’t use it, but after a night of, of fucking with it, I I’m giving up.

[00:48:29] I, I think, uh, I think I’m either going to be a one display person, or I’m going to have to buy a new HTMI display.

[00:48:36]Christina: [00:48:36] I know this is a problem that a lot of people have run into because I believe they only support one external display and they’re. Maybe certain ways you can hack around it,

[00:48:44] Brett: [00:48:44] the mini, the mini supposed to support two. One of them just has to be HTMI

[00:48:49] Christina: [00:48:49] Okay.

[00:48:50]Brett: [00:48:50] Mac books only support one. Like you have to, you have to go through like USB display hacks to get a

[00:48:57] Christina: [00:48:57] Yeah. That’s what I was. You have to do that. Okay. [00:49:00] So one of them can be Aisha. My now could you just get an HTMI to display port or whatever, like a form you have adapter to work with it. Like, would you be able to just do that?

[00:49:09] Brett: [00:49:09] I posed that question on Twitter. Um, it turns out if it’s a thunder bolt displayed, the only thing that can power it is a Thunderbolt port. You can’t send HTMI to the Thunderbolt display.

[00:49:23] Christina: [00:49:23] Yeah, Yes, no, that, that is true, but there are some caveats there. For instance, if you have like one of the LG, like the 27 inch or the 24 inch. The 4k or the 5k displays that they sell, like at the Apple store that are overpriced the first revision that is true. The second revision, you can technically run those off of USB-C.

[00:49:43] Um, but they will only like the 5k display will only display in 4k for instance. So it’s, there’s a weird thing with some of the standards. So in general, that is correct. There are, but I would like put an asterisk there because depending on the display and depending on the version of Thunderbolt, there might be ways around that, but yes, in general, that [00:50:00] is correct.

[00:50:00] Brett: [00:50:00] Yeah, I like this, this Thunderbolt display I want to use, it’s not high depth. It’s from like 2012, maybe

[00:50:08] Christina: [00:50:08] Yeah, exactly. That one, those, those are no, no, that’s the problem is that those, and, and it’s a good panel, but it’s, again, it’s like 25, 60 by 1440 or whatever. Um, so it’s it’s a good panel, but, um, yeah, the input thing there is just a, yeah, you’re, you’re basically dead on that. Um, unfortunately, I mean, you got a lot of use out of it. I mean, that’s the thing, like I ha I’ve had people who were like really mad. They were like, Oh, my Thunderbolt display from, you know, a decade ago doesn’t work anymore. I’m like, okay. I not saying that you shouldn’t be annoyed, but at the same time, you’ve presumably had, you know, many years of service out of it, which is not quite the same thing.

[00:50:48] You know, as like this thing that I bought two years ago, doesn’t work. It’s still frustrating, but it is what it is. But this is, I think like why. In general, I’ve [00:51:00] become, and I’m a big purport. I’m a big supporter of Thunderbolt and stuff like that. But I’ve been in general, like sometimes I look at some of those device types and whatnot.

[00:51:08] I’m like, yeah, this, this is more of a pain than it should be because of the various, um, technical like requirements around it. And it’s interesting too, because the newest and why machines use. USB for. And so they’re only Thunderbolt three by virtue of the fact that USB four is now a super set of the Thunderbolt three spec.

[00:51:33] Like that’s literally the only reason why they are Thunderbolt three compliant is because they’re, you know, like, so even at this point, even like Apple, isn’t going through the process of like, it’s not clear if they’re going to be supporting Thunderbolt for, uh, when that comes out. Like they’re very much like, okay, we’ll use USB for.

[00:51:49] But we’re and because that’s a super set of Thunderbolt three fine, but we’re not doing it. Hang else. Ironically, that’s a good thing because then about three was bad, [00:52:00] basically only a thing in the, in the, um, Mac space, even though you had it on some Intel motherboards. Um, and there are a handful of AMD motherboards, including one that I have.

[00:52:09] And because of that, you’ve had a lot of monitors. I think we’re. Overpriced and other accessories, you know, that were maybe overpriced or were in a, kind of a different category that would only work on certain things. And now since USB four is going to be much more mainstream, it’ll be, you know, on future, all Intel motherboards and AMD will presumably adopt it on theirs too.

[00:52:29] Then hopefully more of those device is an accessories will be usable and the price on some of that stuff will come down. So, which would be nice.

[00:52:37] Brett: [00:52:37] OWC is, uh, a USB for, uh, slash Thunderbolt for hub

[00:52:43] Christina: [00:52:43] Yeah, I’ve heard really good things about it.

[00:52:44] Brett: [00:52:44] all I wanted was a way to split, like with fire firewall or FireWire Thunderbolt three. I just want her to wait to, to turn one port into three ports, like with the, with the, with the dedicated bus and [00:53:00] the chaining that it should be able to do that didn’t seem like too much to ask.

[00:53:03] Uh, but with the USB for, uh, OWC is putting out a dock that does. If that’s all it does. It’s one, uh, USB four in three USB, four out. And that’s I already pre-ordered mine.

[00:53:19] Christina: [00:53:19] That’s awesome. Yeah, I’ve heard really good things about that. So I’m hoping that, um, Washington college that, uh, that’ll be a good solution for a lot of people. Cause I believe that it actually will even give you a dedicated bus in some of those cases. So I’m like, I’m really happy about that. Um, but it it’s like it’s about time because in some of these cases, it’s just been really.

[00:53:37] Brett: [00:53:37] Did you know that? So on the Mac books, uh, there there’s like two ports, uh, like two USB-C ports on each side and each pair of those has a dedicated. Bus, but on the Mac mini there’s only two ports totals. So the safe assumption would be that they share [00:54:00] a bus, but that’s not the case. The M one Mac mini has two dedicated Thunderbolt buses.

[00:54:06] cool. I just figured

[00:54:08] Christina: [00:54:08] Yes, it is. Yeah. Yeah. The, the Mac mini does, and it’s frustrating to me because my $4,000 iMac does not. And it, and, um, and so it, like the amount of bandwidth that you have is limited. And that wouldn’t matter, unless you’re trying to power a 5k display and then trying to power, like a second pipe 5k display, which I do.

[00:54:27] And then you wanted some room for some other stuff and you can do it, but it’s just, it’s a, it’s a thing anyway. Yeah. You want as much bandwidth as possible. So.

[00:54:37] Brett: [00:54:37] I feel like that’s a, a good place to wrap up the show. I mean, it’s not perfect. Like, I don’t have a, like a way to tie that off with a bow and call it a show. But what I’m trying to say is I feel like it’s time to wrap up the show.

[00:54:51] Christina: [00:54:51] I think so. I think so. Cause you’re tired. I have a baby that I need to play with. I’m also a little tired, to be honest, the baby has been exhausting, but in a good way, [00:55:00] but, um, yeah, so, uh, Good show brought them. I, how, I’m glad that you’re a guest almost through with week two. So, um, you’re still kind of in, in meeting itis, but hopefully that will calm down a little bit as things continue.

[00:55:17] Brett: [00:55:17] We’ll see anyway, get some sleep, Christina.

[00:55:21] Christina: [00:55:21] get some sleep read.