Christina

[00:00:00] Brett: [00:00:00] Hey, Christina,

[00:00:01] Christina: [00:00:01] Hey, Brett.

[00:00:02] Brett: [00:00:02] your turn to do the intro?

[00:00:03] Christina: [00:00:03] It is my turn to do the intro. You’re listening to overtired. I’m Christina Warren. That’s Brett Terpstra. What’s going on, Brett? How are you?

[00:00:11] Brett: [00:00:11] I, so I woke up this morning, um, late, I should say I didn’t get up until like seven 30 this morning. And I woke up to a little scurrying, uh, around on my, uh, mattress or my what’s it called a dovey. And, uh, so here’s the backstory right now, while we’re getting used to this new kitten and this new kitten is getting used to us.

[00:00:38] And our new, our old cat is getting used to the new kitten. We keep them separated.

[00:00:44] Christina: [00:00:44] right? Yeah. This is what you were saying last week.

[00:00:46] Brett: [00:00:46] So the kitten has her own room and there’s a gate like a child gate on the room. And yesterday, I, I went to feed the kitten and found her sitting on top of the gate, which [00:01:00] I thought, okay, she she’s curious, but she didn’t leave the room.

[00:01:04] Uh, cats are territorial that she wants her territory. Um, and everything was fine until this morning when I realized that scurrying definitely wasn’t my 20 pound elder cat. It was either a mouse or the kitten had escaped the room. And so I looked up and saw a flasher for running, and she was kind of freaked out being in this big space.

[00:01:33] That definitely wasn’t the territory she had gotten used to. So I had to coax her out from under a bookshelf and, uh, and get her back in a room. So now the door is closed. She no longer get the, uh, The child’s gate view of the outside world. She, she needs at least another week of, uh, of separation before yet.

[00:01:56] He’s ready for, because you had went to the vet again [00:02:00] yesterday, he was walking around just peeing blood.

[00:02:03]Christina: [00:02:03] Oh,

[00:02:05] Brett: [00:02:05] cats are expensive, but he’s not dying.

[00:02:09] Christina: [00:02:09] Okay. Well, we’ll, that’s good. It’s treatable. Okay. Well that’s, I’m glad it’s treatable. Cause it’d be very upsetting if it weren’t. Um, although that cause cause cat urine has a distinct smell and I have to imagine that like bloody cat urine

[00:02:23] Brett: [00:02:23] well, so yeah, it wasn’t actually urine. Like he was, he was doing his normal business in the litter, but whatever he was walking around the house doing was really just, uh, like blood and. Clear fluid. This is gross.

[00:02:41] Christina: [00:02:41] This is gross. I was going to say, let’s not talk about this. I really don’t want to I’m grossed out. And, and I, I, I don’t, I don’t want to talk about this. Um, okay. So

[00:02:49] Brett: [00:02:49] here’s the thing though is when Yeti is, is ready to go, it will wreck me, but it will not be nearly as sad as having to [00:03:00] put Finnegan down at like nine months old. Like it will be, it will be sad but less tragic.

[00:03:07]Christina: [00:03:07] well, right? Cause you, cause he’s lived a good life and, um,

[00:03:11] Brett: [00:03:11] lived a great life. That cat has had everything.

[00:03:15]Christina: [00:03:15] Right. So, yeah. I mean, it’s well, it’s, it’s different, right? Like it’s just, yeah. It, you mourn in different ways. Like you can appreciate what you had versus like the promise of what you never got to experience.

[00:03:27] Brett: [00:03:27] So enough talk about old people and their ailments.

[00:03:30]Christina: [00:03:30] But, but escapes. So this is the interesting thing to me. Like the cat, like clever little cat, like what, like little bod is like clever to be able to get out of the baby gate.

[00:03:42] Brett: [00:03:42] Yeah, well, I mean, it’s a matter of scaling. Uh,

[00:03:47] Christina: [00:03:47] Yeah, I know. But still.

[00:03:48] Brett: [00:03:48] one that has, it’s like, um, Uh, it’s plastic, but it’s in like a chain link fence, like diamond pattern. And with, uh, with a little work in some upper [00:04:00] body strength, it is scalable. I just didn’t think she would.

[00:04:05] Christina: [00:04:05] right. No, I mean, I get what you’re saying. I know what’s possible. I’m just saying I’m impressed. And part of this is because. I’m comparing myself to my cat now, which is weird, but as like a baby, this was what I did. And it

[00:04:18] Brett: [00:04:18] an escape artist.

[00:04:20] Christina: [00:04:20] yes, actually my mom used to call me Christina Houdini. And, um, I would, well, it was a problem though, because yeah, what was a problem though, because I would escape from my, um, from basically anything I’d get out of high chairs.

[00:04:35] I’d get out of very complicated car seats. Like my mom would like take me to the baby store and like put me in the car seat and she’d be like escape. Um, you know, I, I got out of my crib really, really young. Um, and it was the same concept where basically just was able to pull myself over the bar and flip myself over.

[00:04:53] And, um, one of my parents' friends was over and he was like a police officer and he was like, I’ve [00:05:00] seen, you know, kids break their necks or whatever, take the curve apart now. So, you know, I slept on a mattress for a long time because I wasn’t big enough to be like in a big girl bed, but I clearly was not to be trusted inside the crib.

[00:05:14] So yeah, I used to do stuff like that. I used to, you know, crawl on everything, walk on everything and yeah, I used to escape things. So I I’m, I’m definitely bonding with this cat based on this story is what I’m trying to say.

[00:05:26] Brett: [00:05:26] I, I don’t think, I don’t think I was an escape kid. I think I was more of a, like scared of the outside world kid.

[00:05:34]Christina: [00:05:34] Yeah, I w I, it was weird. I, um, my perfectionist and really didn’t get, like, it’s a weird thing. I think when I was like, sorted. Like regular public school or whatever, something switched my brain or, or something with, you know, having different, I guess maybe even authority mechanisms. I’m not sure what it was, but around the time I was like, like five or six.

[00:05:55] So then it kind of switched with me for a number of years. But when I was really [00:06:00] young, I mean, I was totally the kid who would jump head first into the one foot pool. You know, and, and would, and would, you know, just, just, you know, they call me the wild woman and, you know, I’d escaped things. I had no fear, like just didn’t care, you know, with like, you know, crawl on top of everything and, you know, figure out how to do self gymnastics and whatnot and all kinds of stuff.

[00:06:19] Just didn’t care just was like, well, what’s the worst that can happen. I guess I could like skin my knees, but that’s not a big deal, whatever. Yeah.

[00:06:28]Brett: [00:06:28] All right. All right.

[00:06:30] Christina: [00:06:30] I know. I know.

[00:06:32] Brett: [00:06:32] That’s that, that, that kind of leads into a mental health corner.

[00:06:35] Christina: [00:06:35] It does actually, it’s, it’s a, it’s a good time to go into, uh, Brett and Christina’s mental health corner. But I think it’s, Brett’s turn today. Cause we talked about my issues pin prop last week. So how are you doing

[00:06:47] Brett: [00:06:47] followup though. How, how is your mental health state after a week of, uh, of, of not being robbed?

[00:06:54] Christina: [00:06:54] Um, well, you know, a week of not being robbed has definitely improved things. Um, I’m still like [00:07:00] dealing with the insurance gobbledygook, but I, but I’ve decided to just kind of, um, take that as it comes, but now I’m doing better, you know? I mean, it’s one of those things where like the anger is basically gone, not at the apartment community, but

[00:07:14] Brett: [00:07:14] is it easy for you to do stuff like pick up the phone and call an insurance company?

[00:07:19] Christina: [00:07:19] no.

[00:07:19] Brett: [00:07:19] Yeah, me either.

[00:07:21] Christina: [00:07:21] I hate it. I hate it. It’s, it’s one of those weird things and it’s, it’s honestly, it’s a bizarre thing and that I talk for a living. Like that’s a fundamental part, you know what I mean? Like it’s a fundamental part of what I do is I talk for a living and yet things like that, I really get anxiety and just uncomfortable about, I just, I don’t know.

[00:07:41] I don’t like it.

[00:07:42] Brett: [00:07:42] Yeah.

[00:07:43] Christina: [00:07:43] like my least favorite thing.

[00:07:44] Brett: [00:07:44] There’s definitely an anxiety, like component for it, for me to those calls, but also just some kind of mental block. That like, I mean, it’s even true calling friends. Like there’s something about [00:08:00] talking on the phone that really turns my brain off and it just refuses to pick it up and dial somehow I am able to podcast no problem,

[00:08:11] Christina: [00:08:11] right. Yeah.

[00:08:12] Brett: [00:08:12] a phone call, it’s kind of out of the question most of the time.

[00:08:15] Christina: [00:08:15] Yeah, I don’t like, I don’t like the phone. It’s weird though, because I will FaceTime with people. Cool.

[00:08:20] Brett: [00:08:20] Interesting.

[00:08:21]Christina: [00:08:21] Yeah. I won’t usually initiate the FaceTime, but like if they call me, you know, I’ll, I’ll pick up or

[00:08:27] Brett: [00:08:27] No, that’s fair. That’s fair. I have like through the, the pandemic, uh, the, the people that I, I do talk to, we have moved to, uh, FaceTime and zoom calls and it is way easier. For me to video chat with someone like I still am not calling anybody, but I’m pretty open. If someone says, Hey, can we chat? And we jump on a video.

[00:08:53] Yeah. That’s way less of a block. I wonder why that is.

[00:08:56] Christina: [00:08:56] I don’t know. I’ve thought about this a lot. Um, [00:09:00] we could, we could, this could be a whole thing, so, but I’ve actually, we should come back to this at some point, cause they’ve actually given this a lot of thought about why, you know, being on the phone is this weird blocker. And honestly, my, my big kind of takeaway to be totally honest.

[00:09:15] And I hate to say this, cause I think that this is such a crutch in a lot of ways, but I do kind of blame technology. Like, I feel, I do feel like when I was a kid, wasn’t like, I liked to call strangers and it wasn’t like, I like to call, you know, stores or whatever, and I wouldn’t be able to practice and do that sort of thing, but I could do it and I would call my friends and they would call me.

[00:09:35] And I never had issues with that. But. From the time I was basically 13 years old onward. Um, most of my primary communications with people. I mean, there was a lot of phone calls, but a lot of it moved to move to text, you know, with AOL instant messenger and then SMS and then, you know, other stuff. And so my kind of thesis to be totally honest is that like, I think that for a lot of us, and I would [00:10:00] include you in this, even though, even though you’re older, I think that we’ve formed a lot of our, like formative kind of social relationships and like cues over text.

[00:10:11] Whereas voice is something. If it’s not in something where like, maybe we feel like we have control like a podcast or even something like a video call, which still feels almost texts. Like, I don’t know. I just feel like there’s. I feel like that’s a part of it. Cause it’s not unique just to us. I’ve talked to a lot of people who are younger than me who deplore the phone.

[00:10:31] And I really do think that it comes from like

[00:10:35] Brett: [00:10:35] I wonder if it’s because of these advances in technology, voice calls became something that you only did when things required. It like it was for serious situations. So in my head talking on the phone indicates like bad things are happening.

[00:10:50] Christina: [00:10:50] No, I actually think you nailed it. I think that’s probably it is that you, you get, you have these comforts in these other ways and maybe that is also why FaceTime and zoom calls and things like that are [00:11:00] easier too, because it’s a different motif. We haven’t yet gotten to that point where you have negative things happening that way.

[00:11:06] So, yeah, I think that’s probably it interesting.

[00:11:10] Brett: [00:11:10] We’d solved it.

[00:11:11] Christina: [00:11:11] We’ve solved it.

[00:11:13]Brett: [00:11:13] Uh, mentioned, just showed up in my Twitter stream, uh, from Victor from two. Uh, and it says I should talk to Titi scuff and make a song with that audio. And there’s. Uh, not a small part of me that wants to follow that right now, while we’re talking and see what we’re making a song out of, but I’m going to resist.

[00:11:32]My ADHD has been killing me for the last couple of weeks. Like I, my last mood swing, like I was having basically a manic episode a month for almost a year. And then all of the sudden it was actually right after I decided to write about my bipolar. I got stable and I haven’t had a mood swing for like going on [00:12:00] four months now and it’s killing me. Like I came to rely on those manic episodes to get shit done.

[00:12:10]Christina: [00:12:10] Interesting. And so now that you have the stability and you don’t have that, like your ADHD is

[00:12:17] Brett: [00:12:17] it’s making me very aware that my Vyvanse is not working anymore.

[00:12:21]Christina: [00:12:21] interesting. Now, do you think that it is like the amount, do you think it’s how much you’re taking, do you think it’s the Vyvanse itself?

[00:12:27] Brett: [00:12:27] Think it’s Vyvanse in general. Um, when, back in the day, uh, I used to get both Vyvanse and Focalin, which I’m told is a really bad idea in post, but my psychiatrist at the time thought they made a great combination. And honestly, I have never been. Better off than I was on the combination as risky as it may have been.

[00:12:54] I’m not going to ask to go back to that cause no, I think no modern psychiatrist in their right mind would [00:13:00] prescribe both. Yes.

[00:13:01] Christina: [00:13:01] I mean, you never know. Um, but maybe it would be one of those things where maybe you could say like, should you switch to vocal line?

[00:13:07] Brett: [00:13:07] Yeah. Well, I think I’m curious about Dexedrine, which I’ve never tried.

[00:13:13] Christina: [00:13:13] Oh yeah. That’s what I’m on.

[00:13:14] Brett: [00:13:14] I’ve also never been on plain Adderall or Adderall XR.

[00:13:19] Christina: [00:13:19] Yeah, so I’m on Dexedrine, um, um, uh, um, XR Stansel. So, which is their extended release. So that’s what I’ve been on my whole life. Um, half my life, whatever, um, weirdly I’ve tried Vyvanse two or three times and each time I’ve tried it, even though it’s the same sort of thing it has, it has not worked for me.

[00:13:42] Uh, And I’ve I’ve weirdly have had a similar thing with new vigil, whereas Provigil worked really well. New

[00:13:47] Brett: [00:13:47] Oh, totally.

[00:13:49] Christina: [00:13:49] I the same like weird reaction to new vigil each time I tried it, but I’ve tried Vyvanse a couple of times because it’s easier to get. And, um, there was a time this isn’t the case anymore.

[00:14:00] [00:13:59] But there was a period of time when it was actually really difficult to get deck stream, because I think that they, they really limiting how much of it they were making or something. And it was really hard to get. And so, you know, my doctor was like, okay, well, if this doesn’t come back into supplier or whatever, then we might have to look at switching you to something else.

[00:14:18] And so I was trying to Vyvanse and it just didn’t work. Uh, but, but fortunately, you know, the, the Dexedrine, uh, Had supply has, has been fine in the last few years. So, uh, I’m a big fan of that, but, um, I mean, it’s definitely, I don’t know how different, I’ve never taken out a role. Uh, so I don’t know how different it is from that.

[00:14:38] I mean, they’re conceptually all the same thing.

[00:14:41] Brett: [00:14:41] Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, there’s two major classifications of. Of a stimulant use for ADHD and basically, uh, w w amphetamines and, and DEC Sol methyl amphetamines. Um, and so basically the difference is Ritalin versus [00:15:00] Adderall. And like everything can kind of like Focalin is, uh, of the riddle in variety.

[00:15:06] Vyvanse is of the Adderall variety. I’m not sure where Dexedrine falls on that scale.

[00:15:11] Christina: [00:15:11] at the Adderall variety because what Vyvanse actually is is that it’s like water soluble, Dexedrine. So it’s, it actually is Dexedrine, but it’s, it’s, you know, requires, you know, the stomach acids or water solubility or whatever the hell the thing is, you know, they, they split it apart. So that, so that.

[00:15:28] In theory kids can’t snort it as easily. Um, but, uh, yeah, I mean, but, but it’s like, it’s still at the same components, so it’s, it’s definitely of like the Adderall, um, you know, like righty of, of amphetamine. Um, so

[00:15:43] Brett: [00:15:43] so we’re about to find out what happens when I go to my psychiatrist and ask to switch meds, it’ll be the first time I’ve switched meds. Since I started my current psychiatrist.

[00:15:53] Christina: [00:15:53] well, I mean, I think that that’s. I mean, it’s, it’s, it’s a good test. I mean, you need to figure it out. Um, but also, I mean,

[00:16:00] [00:16:00] Brett: [00:16:00] always the possibility she says, Oh, Nope. That’s drug seeking behavior. Now you don’t get any that’s my that’s my deep seated fear.

[00:16:08] Christina: [00:16:08] I know. And I was going to say, this is what you’re afraid of. You’re afraid she’s not going to give you anything. I mean, I think the thing that you point out is you’re like, look, this isn’t working, I’m having these things. You can mention your symptoms. Can we try something else? And I would, you know, to prevent the, the thought of drug seeking

[00:16:25] Brett: [00:16:25] Don’t make a specific request.

[00:16:28] Christina: [00:16:28] exactly.

[00:16:29] Exactly like with the new doctor. Like if it’s somebody who you have a good rapport with, I mean, doesn’t matter, but for this sort of thing, yeah. Just don’t make a specific request and just be open to whatever she’s saying. And then if she does say something that seems off, you could be like, okay, this is fine, but have we considered, I I’d read some things about this, you know,

[00:16:47] Brett: [00:16:47] Yeah. Yeah. Um, I’m not, I’m not new to, uh, to trying to get the meds I want because I am actually an addict. So I experienced with this, [00:17:00] uh, to be clear, that’s not what I’m trying to do this time around,

[00:17:03] Christina: [00:17:03] Well, that’s the thing. I mean, and it, which, which I think for you past to be maybe like the more frustrating aspect, right. You’re like, I, I’m not doing anything wrong. I promise. Like I actually don’t. Yeah.

[00:17:15]Brett: [00:17:15] What is this? Oh, okay. Sorry. I got distracted by a widget in Quip. See, I’m I’m easily distracted. That’s what I’ll tell my psychiatrist.

[00:17:26] Christina: [00:17:26] Well, I mean, that’s the thing you can, you can, you can talk about that. You’re like, look, I’m having to, even for me, I’m having to make conscientious efforts to stay on task or stay focused on the same thing.

[00:17:37] Brett: [00:17:37] So, you know what happened?

[00:17:39] Christina: [00:17:39] What’s that?

[00:17:40] Brett: [00:17:40] Taylor Swift dropped another album.

[00:17:42] Christina: [00:17:42] I know. I know. It’s so good.

[00:17:44] Brett: [00:17:44] Oh, you saw this I’m shocked.

[00:17:46] Christina: [00:17:46] Yeah, I I’m, I’m shocked too.

[00:17:48] Honestly. I can’t believe that, um, that it actually hit my radar. Um, no, I actually felt honestly, because, you know, we made, like, I made like the tiny reference to her only [00:18:00] recorded our show last week, which was Wednesday the day it actually went up and then Thursday, the next day was when she did the same thing that she did last time where she like announced like in the morning, like I’m dropping another album at, at midnight.

[00:18:12] And I woke up fairly early. But not like eight o’clock in the morning, which was 5:00 AM my time, which I guess was when she did announced it. And people were like, I’m looking for your tag. They’re like, Oh, Christina is still asleep. And I’m like, well, yeah. And then I woke up, you know, a couple hours later and, and I had a million tweets notifications and stuff.

[00:18:31] And I was like, okay, what? And, uh, my first thought was that it was like, Maybe rejected tracks that she’d recorded from the folklore sessions, but that’s not what it was. It’s like all new stuff that she recorded after folklore was already completed. And after they’d already, you know, receive the praise for it and whatnot.

[00:18:54] Um, have you listened to it?

[00:18:55] Brett: [00:18:55] all right. I’ve dabbled in it because I knew I had to for this [00:19:00] show.

[00:19:00]Christina: [00:19:00] it’s really good.

[00:19:02] Brett: [00:19:02] It’s I haven’t found the standout track yet.

[00:19:06] Christina: [00:19:06] Um, so for me, th there, there are a couple, uh, champagne problems, which is track two is really good. Um, the, the, the track, um, the final track evermore, which is another one with bone of error is really, really good. There is, um, Closure is, uh, on the album that that’s probably one of the most 1989, like songs on the record, which, uh, has a good beat to it.

[00:19:32] There are a couple of others that, uh, are a little more upbeat. I actually think the production on this one is a little more robust and is a little more open. Whereas like folklore felt very constrained and I mean, which was right, like, it was. Completely produced, you know, like remotely where, you know, he sent her the tracks and then she sent back, you know, finished stuff and then it was mixed and whatnot.

[00:19:56] Um, this one, it, there was more [00:20:00] collaboration. Like they were actually in the same space together. I think that the stuff she G she did with Jack Antonov was done separately, but, or at least some of it was, but it seemed definitely like there was a lot more open collaboration. Um, and, and so there is different experiments and definitely there’s more kind of genre.

[00:20:17] Um, like shifting like the, the, the, the song with Haim is definitely like, uh, you know, Dixie chicks, um, you know, ask, you know, country song. Um, but, um, nobody knock no, no crime, but, um, I like it. I think it’s really good. I’d actually be curious for you to listen to the whole thing and give your take. Cause I feel like.

[00:20:41]It’s still not going to be your album, cause it doesn’t have the bangers, but there are more upbeat and binary songs on this one than there were on folklore.

[00:20:51] Brett: [00:20:51] Yeah, so I never listened to whole albums anymore, which is. Possibly, uh, uh, a moral [00:21:00] failing on my part, but I’ll see how far I get through it.

[00:21:04] Christina: [00:21:04] I’ll send, I’ll send you, I’ll go back. And after this is over, I’ll send you some of the tracks. I think that you’ll like the

[00:21:10] Brett: [00:21:10] I do love bone LaVar, so pretty much anything that he’s on. Uh, I’ll I’ll give a listen to,

[00:21:17] Christina: [00:21:17] Yeah. And actually it was interesting. So evermore is a fricking great track. Like it was, I was so excited when I was listening to it, um, because he comes in like halfway through and, and, and also the, the complete, like, Uh, structured the song changes like the pace picks up and it like almost kind of becomes a different song.

[00:21:35] And it reminds me a lot of, of what Suzanne Stevens does with some of his songs where like halfway through it, like, just like, kind of like takes a turn. And it, it there’s, there’s just like this crescendo moment where he starts singing and she starts singing. And like, I just, when I was listening to it for the first time, like I posted pictures on Twitter, like my actual facial reaction.

[00:21:53] And it was one of those things where I was like, Grinning from ear to ear. Like I was so excited. Like I was almost in tears. I was just like, my [00:22:00] mind was just like being blown and it was just, it’s really good. Uh, he’s also on a track that she does with the national called Coney Island. And I believe that he does some voice work at some of the other stuff’s there’s this one track called a Marjorie about her grandmother and.

[00:22:15] No one watched, I will just say this, Hey, this song is beautiful. And I cried the first time I heard it cause I thought of my own grandmother. And then I watched the damn lyric video. No one watched the lyric video. If you don’t want to cry your eyes out, but if you want to cry, watch it because unlike the rest of the lyric videos, which are usually just like a, like a 15 second clip, kind of, you know, repeating, um, kind of like an Apple TV, um, you know, like.

[00:22:39] Screensaver or whatever, uh, where like the lyrics are, are arranged. This one is actually all like home movies of her grandmother who was an opera singer in the fifties. And, um, you know, uh, it even includes some of her opera, like voice kind of mixed into the end. And it’s just, it’s, it’s a [00:23:00] really touching tribute and.

[00:23:02] You will cry. Like I don’t care who you are. If you watch that, that lyric video, you will cry because it is at least for me, made me think about my grandmother a lot. And I was like, I don’t need this right now, but this is lovely. So, yeah.

[00:23:18] Brett: [00:23:18] so Dean Johnson will be disappointed that we talk this much about Taylor Swift already, but have you ever, you probably don’t know my friend Frank Petri.

[00:23:29] Christina: [00:23:29] I don’t think

[00:23:29] Brett: [00:23:29] he is, he’s a paraplegic in a wheelchair and no offense to Frank, but he’s a, he’s a kind of grumpy guy sometimes. Um, I’m pretty sure he started listening to Taylor Swift because of us.

[00:23:42] Christina: [00:23:42] Nice.

[00:23:43] Brett: [00:23:43] And he is almost always the first person to DMA to let me know. There’s a new Taylor Swift album, which I find, uh, endearing and, and humorous. He just, he has never struck me as the Taylor Swift kind of guy. Uh, [00:24:00] but, but he was very excited about evermore. He said it was great. Uh, pointed out, pointed out tracks.

[00:24:05] I should listen to.

[00:24:06] Christina: [00:24:06] Okay, good. Well, we’ll, we’ll take his advice for sure. Um, I’ll send you some as well, but, but take, take his first, but yeah, actually, this is the funny thing and I’m sorry, Dean, that you’re going to have to listen to more of this, but that’s, what’s sort of interesting about this. I feel like, okay.

[00:24:18] Cause we’ve been doing this show off and on for like six years and we’ve gone through like, it’s been a, kind of a Taylor Swift podcast basically the whole time. And what’s interesting is, um, I, I had, uh, a tremendous amount of like dudes, like people who are not typical Swifty guys who were really getting excited and were, um, engaging with me when the album was released.

[00:24:43] And I kind of thanked them. And a lot of them, some of them said the same thing. They’re like, listen to you and podcasts for years, I kinda got into it. But also I feel like the last two records like unfairly or not, like have, you know, um, kind of force people who. Would never want to call themselves [00:25:00] like, Oh, I don’t listen to Taylor Swift because you know, they think they’re too good for it or whatever, to being like, Oh, I can actually appreciate her artistry.

[00:25:05] And I really liked the thing she’s doing, uh, which I think is interesting that, you know, she’s reached that phase of her career where I don’t feel like there are certainly still going to be people who don’t like her because taste is subjective and that’s fine. But I feel like the whole argument of like, I can’t take her seriously as a musician.

[00:25:23] Like that’s finally gone away, which. Like in my opinion, it should have gone away when fearless came out in, in 2008, because I mean, she won album of the year for that. And that’s a good record. Like it’s a good record. And not to say that every record she’s released has been like fantastic. But, um, most of them haven’t, they’ve all had really good songs on them, but it’s interesting that I feel like now it has, it’s no longer like, even Pitchfork can’t hate on her, you know?

[00:25:51] Oh, bitches. Even Pitchfork. Like they won’t give her a 10, but they don’t give anybody a 10. You know what I mean? Like, like there, they have to like give her like good [00:26:00] reviews, you know what I mean? Like for Pitchfork. Um, so yeah, but, uh,

[00:26:06] Brett: [00:26:06] there’s, uh, in, in the discord, which you haven’t been to for awhile,

[00:26:11] Christina: [00:26:11] I know I’ll, I’ll, I’ll, I’ll, I’ll get back in.

[00:26:13] Brett: [00:26:13] in the discord, very recent posts, uh, in the overtired channel, uh, from Casey and. Uh, it’s, it’s a diagram or a bar chart stolen from the shit post diagrams group on Facebook. And it is a breakdown of Taylor Swift’s use of various swear

[00:26:33] Christina: [00:26:33] Oh, yeah, I saw this. I love this.

[00:26:36] Brett: [00:26:36] there’s definitely an increase in swearing, uh, like folklore and evermore, like more than double the number of swear words total, but it.

[00:26:45] Christina: [00:26:45] said, she, she says, she says, fuck

[00:26:47] Brett: [00:26:47] She says the most prevalent words on evermore are shit and damn, and not the most prevalent words, but the most prevalent swear words, um, fuck gets, [00:27:00] uh, far fewer uses on evermore than it did on folklore.

[00:27:05] Christina: [00:27:05] It does. Yeah.

[00:27:06] Brett: [00:27:06] less than half.

[00:27:07] Christina: [00:27:07] Yeah, I was going to say, I think, um, cause she said, um, uh, like, yeah, because fuck is in two, um, folklore songs, but it’s in the, um, chorus of Betty. So it appears more times. Um, whereas I believe the only time it’s mentioned in evermore is in the song, um, uh, uh, Champagne problems, which is beautiful, um, where she like sings a thing about like, you know, she would have made such a lovely bride if she weren’t so fucked in the head, they said, um, and it’s kind of a great lyric, uh, but she doesn’t, you know, do the same.

[00:27:46] Uh, she doesn’t say it as often in this, certainly not in the chorus, like, um, it is in Betty. Um, and like it is in, um, Mad woman a couple of times, but she says, but there is a song I think it’s Ivy, [00:28:00] uh, might, might be wrong where goddamn is like in the chorus. And so I think that’s why Dan is so prevalent.

[00:28:05] Brett: [00:28:05] I think they should have separated damn from goddamn because I feel like they’re technically two different swear words,

[00:28:10] Christina: [00:28:10] I agree. They are, they are. Um, and I actually, now that I think about it, I think that was my, that is my only problem with that breakdown.

[00:28:17] Brett: [00:28:17] I knew I knew Catholics growing up, that would say damn, but you would not say God damn.

[00:28:23] Christina: [00:28:23] Oh, I mean, okay. So I wasn’t raised as a Catholic, but my mom was like a lapsed Catholic who then became an Episcopalian. And so I was definitely raised to never take the Lord’s name in vain. Like you said, gosh, you never, and yet you could say damn or damn it, but you never said goddamn, right? And, uh, that was certainly one of those things that I started seeing God first, but it wasn’t until I think, like I rejected, organized religion that I actually finally started to say goddamn, um, or

[00:28:52] Brett: [00:28:52] pretty much the re the number one reason to reject Christianity in general is so that you can say like Jesus and [00:29:00] God damn. I think that’s, I think that’s true.

[00:29:04] Christina: [00:29:04] I mean, I think that it’s certainly, there’s a thrill in it that if you grew up, with that, it’s a taboo. Like it’s not the reason to leave. I’m not saying that, but there is like a certain thrill that you get. W you know, you, even, if you don’t leave, if you’re just, you know, a kid who was like, Oh, this is, this is taboo in a way that other words were not like, honestly, I feel like taking the Lord’s name in vain was more taboo than saying motherfucker.

[00:29:29] Brett: [00:29:29] sure. Well, and for some reason asked as an asshole, like asshole is far more, um, dirty than saying ass to say you’re an ass, you know, because it almost has biblical, like you’re referring to someone as a donkey. But asshole, that’s a whole other meaning

[00:29:53] Christina: [00:29:53] yeah. Well, they’re different. They’re different insults. Yeah. I don’t know. It’s weird. I always thought it was interesting that on TV. You know, [00:30:00] you can say ass or asshole. That’s almost never bleeped asshole. Sometimes his ass never

[00:30:05] Brett: [00:30:05] it’s usually asked bleep.

[00:30:07] Christina: [00:30:07] yeah, but, but bitch is always okay. No matter what the context bitches always.

[00:30:12] Okay. And that’s always, that was always something I remember, like noticing that as like a small child and being like, okay, what’s up with this? You know, and like picking up on the misogyny, even though I didn’t know exactly what it was. And probably by the time it was 10, I realized I was like, Oh, okay, I get it.

[00:30:28] So we can call women bitches because they’re women, but asshole is always going to be bleeped. And some of these other things, like, you know, aren’t, aren’t allowed because those are. You know, usually like, not primarily, and they’re not even gendered in the same way because a woman can be an asshole too, but it, it’s definitely more like, um, you know, like, like son of a bitch, maybe that would be a thing where maybe you would see people treat that, you know, more strengths strongly, but I don’t even think that gets bleeped just because bitches.

[00:30:58] Okay.

[00:31:00] [00:30:59] Brett: [00:30:59] Yeah, no, I think son of a bitch is such a like 1950s swear word

[00:31:05] Christina: [00:31:05] Oh, totally. My dad, my dad would say that my dad would say that.

[00:31:08] Brett: [00:31:08] shit on CBS all the time. Now they say shit on star Trek discovery, which is just weird to me.

[00:31:15] Christina: [00:31:15] Yeah, well, that’s not, uh, Aaron broadcast. So that’s why,

[00:31:20]Brett: [00:31:20] I see

[00:31:21] Christina: [00:31:21] they don’t, they don’t air that on broadcast. So that’s why they can say it. So with the stuff you see on the CBS, all access is not the same as what they do on the, um, you know, like network. You technically can say those words is just.

[00:31:32] Brett: [00:31:32] just advertisers. Really? There’s no FCC regulation that says you can’t swear.

[00:31:38] Christina: [00:31:38] Yeah. I mean, there are certain things where like, if you say you will get fined, if you say like shit, or if you say fuck on, um, prime time. But, uh, like there was one weird thing. I think that Bano in an award acceptance speech said fucking it wasn’t bleeped in an acceptance speech and. They were initially going to be fine.

[00:31:56] No, it was overturned because apparently the context in which he said it was [00:32:00] not the same thing, whereas there’ve been other instances where they don’t believe it out and people say it like, you know, people, they can get fined now on cable. That’s where the difference is. So you don’t have to be on HBO, like premium cable to be able to say all the words is just advertisers.

[00:32:14] Like you say, but that’s why effects. And then FXX, uh, you know, it’s always sunny and some of their other shows was really the first to kind of push the boundary line and be like, Okay. Our advertisers know what this is. And we, for syndication purposes, can’t say these things and we’ll have to bleep them, but we will let the show go ahead and just go balls out and say all the stuff that, that you know, they would want to, we would normally say on HBO.

[00:32:40] Um, but there are certain standards for broadcast still that are slightly different than basically on cable. Anything goes, it’s just. HBO and the showtimes. And what other reason they’ve usually been allowed is because as you said, advertisers, they don’t have them. So, uh, they don’t have to worry about that.

[00:32:57] Brett: [00:32:57] Speaking of advertisers. [00:33:00] Oh, I,

[00:33:01] Christina: [00:33:01] Such a good segue.

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[00:34:51] Brett: [00:34:51] Well, it’s super convenient that they just, uh, they just show up and yeah, it, it, it literally becomes a ritual. Um, so [00:35:00] you use Spotify, right?

[00:35:01] Christina: [00:35:01] I do well, I use Spotify and I use Apple music, which is

[00:35:04] Brett: [00:35:04] Does Apple music do a top songs of 2020 playlist for you?

[00:35:09] Christina: [00:35:09] They do, but it’s crappy. Like it’s not good. It’s just based on like, the number of times you’ve played it, which is slightly different. Like Spotify does this whole unwrap thing where they show like your most listened to artist and like new things you’ve discovered and like not have time you’ve listened and all this

[00:35:23] Brett: [00:35:23] Do you know who my most listened to artist was?

[00:35:26]Christina: [00:35:26] uh, uh, K Flay.

[00:35:29] Brett: [00:35:29] it’s sad. That was second Billie Eilish

[00:35:33] Christina: [00:35:33] Nice. I can see that.

[00:35:35] Brett: [00:35:35] it really into Billie Eilish. Apparently, according to Spotify, anyways, you were saying about Spotify playlist.

[00:35:42] Christina: [00:35:42] no, no. Yeah. Yeah. So, so their playlist is, is good. It shows like your, you know, kind of like your, your, your most loved songs of the year. Like a hundred of them. I think that Apple’s, I don’t think it’s a hundred, I don’t know how many it is. Um, but they don’t go into all the details, but yeah, but Spotify gives you all the rundown of data, which I really like the [00:36:00] frustrating thing for me is that I use both services and I use them in different ways and there’s not a way to, without lots and lots of effort, like there would be a way to do it, but.

[00:36:10] Realistically speaking the way that I listen to music, there’s not because I always would for, you know, forget to open up certain things. There’s not a way to kind of like have a conglomeration of aggregation. That’s this room looking for, like the aggregate, all of my data, which is annoying because a decade ago there was like, this is what

[00:36:30] Brett: [00:36:30] Last step. Um,

[00:36:31] Christina: [00:36:31] Exactly a decade ago, 15 years ago, even I had last FM, which would Scrabble all my lessons on, um, you know, Pandora on Spotify, on iTunes, on, I think I was even using Rhapsody, you know, before Spotify came to the U S or other things like that, you know what I mean? Like you could, anything you listen to, it would aggregate and it would automatically pick up all of your iTunes listens and, and, you know, you had like that history.

[00:36:57] The, there was even for a time, like there was, you [00:37:00] know, uh, an iOS app and things would kind of run in the background. Now, there are a couple of, um, like Apple music clients that have Scrabble support built-in. But if they’re not running in the background and if you don’t use it as your main player, then it.

[00:37:16] Stops picking up what you’re playing. And I just don’t because those, those clients, no matter how good, you know, people, what they put into them, they just aren’t as good as like the native app. I think that’s primarily, probably Apple’s fault. I think Apple probably doesn’t allow them to have access to certain things or, or whatever.

[00:37:32] But, um, I ended up not having like, you know, aggregation between my, my two data points and, and it’s really frustrating.

[00:37:41] Brett: [00:37:41] like, uh, Spotify still scrabbles to less FM, but what’s the point if Spotify is tracking all this stuff for you anyway, like the whole point of last FM was to aggregate those multiple sources and yeah, I run, uh, like Neptunes and, uh, bar remote. And [00:38:00] these like on my Mac, my, my Apple music stuff gets scrambled, but.

[00:38:06] Anything I listened to on Apple music on my phone. It doesn’t get doesn’t get added. Have you ever seen my soundtrack page?

[00:38:15]Christina: [00:38:15] I don’t think I

[00:38:16] Brett: [00:38:16] Uh, if you go to Bret terptree.com/soundtrack, I did these little experiments where I combined last FM, Spotify and Apple music’s uh, API.

[00:38:30] Christina: [00:38:30] see. Yeah, that’s awesome. And, and that’s just like, this is something I used to have kind of a similar thing, although it would usually just be, Oh, this is nice. Um, yeah, I used to, you know, back in the day used to be able to do this. Oh, this is really, this is really nice.

[00:38:46] Brett: [00:38:46] Hey, thanks. It was a fun experiment with HTML five stuff, too. Um, but yeah, and they all have previews. You can click on any

[00:38:54] Christina: [00:38:54] I know I’m looking at it. It’s really

[00:38:55] Brett: [00:38:55] um, Yeah. So anyway, uh, Spotify has by [00:39:00] far the better SDK. Um, last FM has always had like the same API for the last 15 years. It’s always been the same API. It has not been updated.

[00:39:11] So Spotify is, is, is far superior and it’s far superior to Apple music’s capabilities to Spotify is the better service. I also use both. But as far as like my daily custom playlists and the stuff that it shares with me automatically and the, the social aspect and the general availability of the music, I want to listen to Spotify wins.

[00:39:37] Like I, there’s no way I would cancel Apple music if I needed to save the money, but I would always keep Spotify.

[00:39:46] Christina: [00:39:46] Yeah, I’m an so yeah, I think the only reason that I prefer Apple music in some contexts is that I’ve over the years. So for many, many years, I still actually pay for this, even though it’s super fluid, but I paid the $25 a year or whatever it is [00:40:00] for the, um, iTunes match. Yeah. And I have a bunch of stuff that I’ve either purchased or acquired other ways that is not in a catalog that is not available to stream that I’ve uploaded to my, my iCloud, you know, my, my iTunes music cloud that I can listen to within the Apple music interface.

[00:40:18] And that for me is key because there are certain albums and certain songs and certain remixes and certain things that like, I just. I, I want them a certain way. And so that is the one thing I can’t give up. And I think that is why I use both. And especially on mobile, that’s usually why I default to Apple music, but on the desktop, because I do have access to iTunes.

[00:40:42] If I needed to access. You know that, or, or, or the music app, whatever the hell you want to call it, you know, if, if I need to access that album, like Spotify is the superior experience. It just is, you know, like it’s more lightweight. It doesn’t feel like it’s, you know, taking, um, a million, you know, um, you know, like seconds to open.

[00:40:59] Like [00:41:00] I don’t have, you know, all these fears of this other stuff going on. It’s just, it’s good. Um, but yeah, I mean, I’m with you. I mean, like if I had to pick one. Oh, no, actually, I don’t know. I think, I, I think I’m, I’m one of those people, like, I I’m like resigned to having to pay for both.

[00:41:16] Brett: [00:41:16] I get that, you know, who slipped into my top 20, 20 artists that I, so Spotify has this thing where they build me playlists that are like their half, like my daily playlist, you know, they’re, they’re half songs that I already love and then they slip in new artists

[00:41:36] Christina: [00:41:36] which I love about them because the Apple, yeah. Because Apple, my favorites, which is a great mix issue with it is it’s all stuff that you’ve liked. So you don’t ever get anything new, which is fine, you know, just to have like a really good like mix, but I like what Spotify does, where it introduces you to new stuff.

[00:41:53] Brett: [00:41:53] Yeah. And Apple, Apple is not been good for discovery for me. Spotify is amazing for [00:42:00] it, but so Bishop Briggs, I had never heard of. I had never intentionally sought out, but they started slipping her into my playlists and she actually ended up in my top songs of 20, 20, multiple times.

[00:42:16]Christina: [00:42:16] nice.

[00:42:17] Brett: [00:42:17] you ever heard Bishop Briggs

[00:42:18] Christina: [00:42:18] I don’t think I have

[00:42:19] Brett: [00:42:19] checkout check out wild horses by Bishop Briggs?

[00:42:23] Christina: [00:42:23] Okay. Okay. I will. Um, so for me on Spotify, I think my top kind of newer Taylor Swift was, was my top artist, uh, naturally cause that’s that’s well, that’s always the case. Uh, but some of my other artists, you know, were, were some other people, but I guess one of my newer ones was for my 20, 20 wrapped was, um, Was, uh, Gracie Abrams, who is, um, uh, JJ Abrams, his daughter.

[00:42:47] And she’s very, very good. She’s very, very good. She just turned 21. Um, she’s released an EAP and that’s it. But, and, and I think there were a couple of singles that came out [00:43:00] before that, but, um, she is, sorry, she’s sort of similar to Billie Eilish, I guess, insofar as it’s bedroom pop, but. I would actually say she’s closer to Phoebe Bridgers, um,

[00:43:12] Brett: [00:43:12] Slow. Okay. What was the name?

[00:43:14] Christina: [00:43:14] uh, greasy Abrams.

[00:43:16] Brett: [00:43:16] in my head that immediately translated to Stacey Abrams and

[00:43:20] Christina: [00:43:20] Oh yeah. That and then that went to Georgia. Yeah. Yeah, no Gracie, I’m a great Gracie

[00:43:25] Brett: [00:43:25] and then she’s closer to

[00:43:27] Christina: [00:43:27] Um, Phoebe Bridgers.

[00:43:29] Brett: [00:43:29] don’t know who that is either.

[00:43:30] Christina: [00:43:30] Oh, you would really like Phoebe Bridgers. Um, actually you will really like the retro. She’s very good.

[00:43:36] Brett: [00:43:36] you can correct my spelling in the show notes.

[00:43:39] Christina: [00:43:39] I will, um, if the wrong window, Pete, Phoebe Bridgers, um, she was nominated for best new artist, uh, Grammy, which is very cause she’s been out for a while, but, um, yeah, her, her album, um, Uh, Punisher is, is really good.

[00:43:53] Um, and, um, she’s had, you know, a couple other ones she’s really, really like, kind of fantastic. [00:44:00] Um, so yeah, but, but, but Gracie Abrams is, was, was on my list and that was, and actually, I think that was one that Spotify actually threw my way through one of their playlists, like through one of their recommendation things.

[00:44:12] And I was like, I heard a song that she did called 21 and it was like, I love this. And then I started listening to more stuff. And then I was actually, I hate, I hate to admit this. I was sort of annoyed when I realized. That like her data’s super famous I was like, God damn it. Like, and the thing is, and there’s nothing against her.

[00:44:32] Cause she’s incredibly talented. She’s worked really hard. She’s also very pretty, but like not in like a way where it’s like, you know, like plasticky, like she’s, she’s uh, seems like a really cool chick. Um, but you know, like her dad is like one of the most famous movie directors. Of course, she’s going to get a record deal.

[00:44:49] Like whether she was good or not, she would, but I have to give her credit. Like she’s actually really, really good. And, and, and her music is, is very much like [00:45:00] definitely, um, diarrhea stick, but kind of butter and pop, but like she’s, she’s, she’s talented. She’s really talented. So.

[00:45:08] Brett: [00:45:08] So my recommendation, uh, some of my playlists are heavily based off of my love of bands. Like sepal Tura and one new band that slipped into those playlist is called warp chamber. And if, if you’re looking for a break from anything, poppy warp chamber we’ll, um, we’ll put your brain in a blender and you’ll be a mess.

[00:45:35] If you make it through an entire song, there’s songs are about, let’s say five minutes long. If you make it through an entire song, let me know, text me and be like, I survived a warp chamber song. It’s I think they would classify it as thrash, but there are so many categories of metal that I don’t even know anymore.

[00:45:57] Like I can recognize black metal and I can [00:46:00] recognize like eighties thrash metal, but I don’t, I don’t know what half of these other technical metal crazy things are

[00:46:08] Christina: [00:46:08] Well, and metal has kind of gone underground at this point, too, right? Because it’s, it’s not mainstream at all. So, uh, so like how it’s evolving and what it’s changing, which is interesting. Cause it will eventually become like more mainstream again like that, that always happens. But at this point, like it’s very much an underground

[00:46:23] Brett: [00:46:23] well, so I think metal kind of faded after, and this is weird, but, um, what’s the form of electronic music. That’s all like digital glitches and dubstep. Dubstep kind of took metal’s place in, in a more mainstream sense and there, and good dubstep has always stayed, you know, off the radio. But aspects of dubstep started creeping into all kinds of songs.

[00:46:51] Like the bass drop became ubiquitous in pop music.

[00:46:55] Christina: [00:46:55] I mean, Taylor Swift used it in 2012. Yeah.

[00:46:58] Brett: [00:46:58] Yeah, everyone [00:47:00] did it. It’s just part of the sound. Now there’s also this sound in 2020, that’s these like reverse reverbed keys. Like you would recognize it immediately. You hear it like everywhere from commercials to pop songs. And I can’t, I won’t, I’m not even gonna try to like, describe the sound, but you would immediately recognize it and be like, yeah, that’s a song from 2020.

[00:47:23]Christina: [00:47:23] Yeah, it’s weird how that works, right? Like there are these certain like, um, things where you can listen to you, you know, uh, even, I mean, th this has always been the case, but where you can listen to a song, you can be like, yeah, I know what year this is from. Um, and

[00:47:37] Brett: [00:47:37] like trends and, and you can trace them all back to like underground music and, uh, yeah, it’s kind of, I think that’s kind of cool the way that. Uh, people it’s it’s like riffing off each other. Uh, I wouldn’t call it outright theft in most cases.

[00:47:56]Christina: [00:47:56] No, I mean, I mean, because it’s not, I mean, look music, I [00:48:00] mean, some cases it is, but in most cases it’s not. I mean, because music has been like in its entire history, it’s been passed down. It’s all about being remixed and reused and whatnot. I had a weird debate with somebody last week. I actually got kind of pissed off.

[00:48:14] I don’t know who this person was, but I was, I was commenting on, you know, artistry or something like that. And, um, Somebody was saying something like, he, he enjoyed somebody because like, they, they wrote their own songs or whatever. I was making a comment of somebody writing their own songs. Then he was like, yeah, well, how can you call yourself an artist?

[00:48:30] If you don’t write your own songs? And I was like, okay. You know, and I laughed because I was kind of like, okay, let’s just ignore. Or the entire history of recorded music, which in most cases was singing songs that someone else wrote. Right. Or taking something else, like our national Anthem grant point of the sound news.

[00:48:46] Right. Like was Crip from someone else, like. W th the whole history of rock and roll literally is Tate is performing songs written by other people. Like, you know, the outliers are actually the people who, you know, [00:49:00] write their own. Like, that’s actually much more rare. Um, you know, like the Beatles, like when they started out, weren’t really doing their own.

[00:49:06] And then they did, but like, that’s a rarity, you know, like Elvis didn’t write his own songs, you know? Um, and. And then he was actually trying to point to metal bands and whatnot and, and kind of, you know, like, like, you know, van Halen and shit like that. Oh, they wrote their own songs and I’m like, okay, not to take anything away from Eddie van Halen, like, like Rustin power, but like, you can’t compare that songwriting to songwriting that.

[00:49:30] You know, it has happened in, in like other genres and music. You just can’t like the guitar bits short. Right. But like lyrically and, and, and some of the other components, it’s just not the same. Right? Like, it’s just like, it’s different. And, but like literally the whole history of like rock and roll was like, you know, Motown, all that stuff is, is song by committee.

[00:49:47] I mean, Nashville literally song by committee. Like it’s very rare that the artists actually records their own music, which is why. Again, like to go back to Taylor Swift, but also to people like, like, like [00:50:00] PB and like, you know, some other like artists, like Billie Eilish, right? Like it’s, it’s impressive because you see them actually being able to not just be the songwriters prints, you know, but like, uh, also, you know, um, be like the face of it because.

[00:50:18] There’s a difference like in artistry is different. Like, you know, are you going to say that like Whitney Houston is, was less of an artist than someone else because she didn’t write her own music, like fuck off. Like,

[00:50:29] Brett: [00:50:29] well, I mean, so Sinead O’Connor. Like she, she wrote some really good tracks, but her best track honestly, was written by Prince.

[00:50:39] Christina: [00:50:39] Absolutely.

[00:50:40] Brett: [00:50:40] And, and I don’t think the song would have been the same done by Prince.

[00:50:44] Christina: [00:50:44] Okay. No, in fact it was not, if you listened to his version, it’s not, it’s not powerful. Like, it’s, it’s a, it’s a good track, but it’s not the same. Like, it hasn’t doesn’t have any of the same, like resonance at all and yeah. She’s she wrote some good tracks. I mean, Cindy lopper. Is that weird [00:51:00] hybrid in that, uh, and I thought of her because Prince wrote some of her songs too, but she wrote on most of the tracks on she’s so unusual, which is a great album.

[00:51:10] Um, and she’s written a bunch of songs for other people and she has a Tony, you know, cause she did kinky boots and stuff like that. But like, um, she was kind of one of those, those rarities and that like, she could, she’s good at maybe writing songs that other people could do, but also had like a completely kind of unique point of view.

[00:51:26] But.

[00:51:27] Brett: [00:51:27] Maybe I’ve never given Cindy lopper enough credit.

[00:51:30] Christina: [00:51:30] you haven’t like if you have to go back and like, listen to shiso unusual, it’s an amazing album and the stuff that she does with princess songs, it’s similar to Shanae, but it’s slightly different because she, I do think because Sinead was so young when Cindy was young too, but just different, like, um, some of the stuff that like, um, Cindy did with like when you were mine, which was originally like a Prince song and like the way that she, you know, like.

[00:51:54] Didn’t change the lyrics, which made like the male character, you know, [00:52:00] bisexual, which was interesting. And, and just like her arrangement was artistically like hers. So it still sounds like a Cindy lopper song, even though it’s a Prince song,

[00:52:10] Brett: [00:52:10] yeah.

[00:52:10] Christina: [00:52:10] interesting. Uh, yeah, that, that’s my shout out for. She’s so unusual, which, uh, um, one of the key albums of my life, not even gonna lie, but also like a really fucking good eighties, like record that.

[00:52:22] Continues to stand up. Like I probably listen to that at least once a year. And I’m like, yeah, this, this is still a really good record and time after time. Great fucking song,

[00:52:32] Brett: [00:52:32] Yes that for sure. Did she write that?

[00:52:34] Christina: [00:52:34] She did

[00:52:35]Brett: [00:52:35] Yes. Okay. That’s that’s going in the show notes. There will be a link to, uh, some video version of time after time, just because,

[00:52:44] Christina: [00:52:44] absolutely. Cause that’s a, I mean, it’s just one of those great songs.

[00:52:48] Brett: [00:52:48] and, and probably our cover art for the week. We’ll have something to do with Cindy lopper or Christina Houdini.

[00:52:55] Christina: [00:52:55] She’s this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, I love it.

[00:52:58] Brett: [00:52:58] I found something to [00:53:00] like about big Sur and believe me it’s it’s one of few, but do you remember how I was having that problem? Where every time I unplugged from my, uh, my, uh, USBC dock, my computer would reboot that no longer happens with big Sur.

[00:53:18] Christina: [00:53:18] Amazing. Okay. So they’ve updated the USB driver, the USB host drivers, apparently. So that, that works now with your doc. So that’s good. Yeah. Cause you’re using the, um, what should we call it, doc?

[00:53:30] Brett: [00:53:30] uh, the Kel digit.

[00:53:31] Christina: [00:53:31] yes, the caldera, the Ts three plus, which is a great doc. Yeah.

[00:53:34] Brett: [00:53:34] it is. Um, on the flip side, uh, you’ve probably, Oh, wait, you’re not running bigs. Are ya?

[00:53:44] Christina: [00:53:44] I mean, I’ve got an on a, got it on, on a container, but no,

[00:53:47] Brett: [00:53:47] so in toolbars, you know, like at the top of a window with the icons across it, they have this default style. Now that in big bold letters puts the name. [00:54:00] Uh, the pain you’re on, on the left side. And if you don’t specifically change your code to tell it that this is, this should be a preference toolbar, it basically will shove all of your preference panel icons off the right side into oath of an overflow menu and it’s ugly and stupid.

[00:54:20] And I hate it. And even after you change it. So in Mark, I went in and I specifically told him this is a preference to a bar don’t show that goddamn left label. It still centers the icons. So when you switch between pains of different width, your icons move. This is stupid. There’s no reason for this in the video at like the WWE dub dub DC video they did on it.

[00:54:47] They’re like, this is great. This is, this is better. It, it centers your icons the way they should be. No, they should be left aligned and they should stay static. As you flip between pains, it’s driving [00:55:00] me insane.

[00:55:00]Christina: [00:55:00] See, all these things that you’d like to talk about with this is actually really, um, funny because. Uh, my friend, Chris, like DMD me and, um, he’d wanted advice, first of all, buying a Mac and, uh, he and his wife, I think they both got like 16 inch Mac books, like right before the M one announcement. And it was like, did we make a mistake?

[00:55:17] Did we not? And I was like, eh, for what you’re wanting to do, probably not honestly. Um, and he was asking you to, should we go ahead and upgrade, you know, to, to big Sur. And I was like, well, depends on what you’re doing, but if, unless you’re doing, you know, like development stuff, you’re probably okay. And he was like, Oh no, she’s a web developer.

[00:55:35] And she does a lot of stuff with, you know, JavaScript and CSS and all this other stuff. And I was like, she’s probably okay. But I would wait. And I was actually thinking about you and like the stuff that you’d run into, I was like, she’s probably using a package manager, like Homebrew, but if you’re doing anything, I was thinking, I was like, what?

[00:55:50] She was doing anything with any of the built-in system libraries, you know, I was like, you know, like, I like, I get it for somebody like you, like, you’re trying to update your [00:56:00] apps. You’re trying to test things with, with, um, you know, NV, ultra, and you need to, but, um, my colleagues, it’s so insane to me. Like, you know, we use max at work and like they’ve upgraded, like their work machines and they’re having issues.

[00:56:13] And I’m like, why? Like, how have we not learned? Like, I mean, I’m at the point where like, and I’m like, like the, you know, died in the wool, like Apple fan girl, and I’m like, No, I’m not upgrading my work machine. Hell no. Like, and it has something to do with that. We’ll work with Microsoft stuff. Like that’s not my concern.

[00:56:30] My concern is like, can I get my day job done? And until I feel confident that I can, I’m not updating. So that’s where I’m at.

[00:56:38] Brett: [00:56:38] Okay. I have three things. First of all, while we’re talking, Frank Petri sent me a link to the, uh, what Jimmy Fallon. Yes, the Jimmy kennel interview with

[00:56:51] Christina: [00:56:51] Oh, it’s really good. It’s really good.

[00:56:54] Brett: [00:56:54] what he said. Good interview. Uh, so I’ll check that out. Cause I, I do like Jimmy Kimmel, [00:57:00] um, number two, we have one more sponsor to get through before we wrap up here.

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[00:59:21] Brett: [00:59:21] I I, yes, for sure. Um, the last thing I’ll mention, and I don’t know if I should say this publicly because I might jinx it. But did I, did I already tell you about the ultimate hacking keyboard version, two testing?

[00:59:37] Christina: [00:59:37] No.

[00:59:38] Brett: [00:59:38] They Lazlo from ultimate hacking keyboard contacted me. Um, you know, I basically evangelized for that keyboard

[00:59:46] Christina: [00:59:46] Yeah, I was going to say, I think, I think, like I know like three people personally who bought it because of

[00:59:52] Brett: [00:59:52] Yeah, I know several as well. Um, and uh, they contacted me because version two is coming out with a [01:00:00] hot swappable, key switches and RGB lighting. And. And they’re finally going to ship the thumb modules. Like it’s a split keyboard and, uh, at the thumb, there’s these connections that they’ve always promised these, like, you can get key clusters and, and, uh, track pads and things for your thumbs, but they’ve, they’ve never shipped them.

[01:00:20] So Laszlo contacted me to ask if I would be interested in testing the prototype of the V2, right. And all the modules. And I said, Oh God. Yes. So I

[01:00:32] Christina: [01:00:32] were like, you’re like, yes, please.

[01:00:34] Brett: [01:00:34] Yes. I literally said, Oh God. Yes. Um, I, I haven’t heard back from him since my fawning response, but I really am hoping that comes through and I get to get my, because it’s, it’s over 200 bucks and, and I also want the risk for us for it.

[01:00:51] And I can’t justify the expense right now when my version one is working so

[01:00:56] Christina: [01:00:56] right. Well, and, and, and right now, and here’s the thing I’m [01:01:00] just going to like, say this, like LASA, like if you’re listening, like. You are genuinely the best person to be a tester for this, because you will give really good feedback. It’s not, you’re not somebody who’s just going to be like, you know, seeking a freebie, like a, you’ve sold a lot of these things.

[01:01:15] Like I said, I know three people that I work with who’ve bought them because of you. Right. Um, and, and you’ve sold, who knows how many more, but be like, you’re the sort of person who you would want that product feedback from. And I say this as somebody who. I’ve been very lucky over the years as you have, but like, we both been sent a lot of stuff over the years to review and whatnot.

[01:01:34] And sometimes I think I’ve probably been sent stuff just because of, I have a lot of Twitter followers and, um, maybe I’ve done a good job giving feedback symptoms that haven’t, but there’ve been other times when I’m like, no, I’m actually the exact target market for your product. I am the person that you should.

[01:01:49] Have reviewed this. Like there was some sort of, you know, um, kind of DIY like email server thing. And I actually, um, criticized the product on hacker news and then wound up having lunch with the CEO. And then he [01:02:00] sent me the product and I gave him a lot of feedback and like, you know, that’s not free and it’s not free for you to give the feedback and to write the blog post that you do about the keyboard and to really put it through its paces.

[01:02:09] And so that’s the sort of thing that frankly, like, I think it would be a benefit. So my fingers are crossed for you that you get, you get that.

[01:02:16] Brett: [01:02:16] thanks. I will, I will. I will refer Laszlo to this timestamp in the, uh, in the podcast. Thanks for your support.

[01:02:24]Christina: [01:02:24] Yeah. I mean, I like, I want to know if I need to buy or not. Cause I’ve been really happy with, um, the, the key Cron two that I got, but, um, yeah, I mean, I’m always very happy to like, have it happy to spend money on shit, basically, you know, this.

[01:02:40] Brett: [01:02:40] you’re a shopper.

[01:02:42] Christina: [01:02:42] I am a shopper. I am a shopper. It’s how I’ve been dealing with things.

[01:02:45] Brett: [01:02:45] I, I spend more money that broker I get, it’s a really bad habit, but something about when I search to feel like I’m running out of money, the thing that makes me feel better is buying

[01:02:56] Christina: [01:02:56] it’s spinning up. Well, there’s also an in, like, there’s actually kind of a theory in this, [01:03:00] which is when you feel kind of like. Hopeless or not hopeless. Like when it feels like further away from being able to afford the things you need or whatever, like, it becomes easier to spend more indiscriminately,

[01:03:12] Brett: [01:03:12] instinct.

[01:03:14] Christina: [01:03:14] right.

[01:03:14] Like, like, like for instance, for me, like I joke, but it’s not a joke where I’m like, you know, um, people are like, Oh my gosh, you know, you buy all this stuff and whatnot. And, and some people have actually asked me, they’re like, do you have like a problem? Or are you like, okay. And I’m like, no, I have like, A ridiculous amount of money in savings.

[01:03:31] And I pay my credit cards off in full every month, unless I’m specifically using like a 0% APR like promo or whatever. Right. Like, I, I don’t have any issues with that. My thing though, is that I joke, but it’s not a joke. I’m like, I can’t, I don’t have a house. I can’t own property. And that’s because. The cost of doing that.

[01:03:52] Like, I would need, like, I have a lot in savings, but I would need about double what I have, um, to be able to put a down payment on [01:04:00] something. And that’s like, because I can’t, I can’t buy something for less than a million dollars. Like w that’s like, I don’t have the option. Like, you know what I mean? And so, so when, so when that becomes your reality and you’re like, okay, I’m going to need, like this amount of down payment and this amount of other stuff for a mortgage.

[01:04:17] You’re like, at least for me, I’m like, yeah, you know what. Fuck it, like just buy the $500 sneakers. Just, just get the stupid headphones just by the keyboards, because what else? Like, it just seems so far off. I’m like, okay, if I have to save up, you know, 250 or $300,000, like, okay. You know, like I might as well just buy the other stuff.

[01:04:40] Brett: [01:04:40] speaking of a million dollars, did you see a Apple’s small business program?

[01:04:46] Christina: [01:04:46] Yes, I did.

[01:04:48] Brett: [01:04:48] If you make under a million dollars a year on the app

[01:04:52] Christina: [01:04:52] yep.

[01:04:53] Brett: [01:04:53] cut from 30%, take to a 15% take, which is not insignificant.

[01:04:59] Christina: [01:04:59] it’s actually pretty [01:05:00] significant. The only problem is people pointed out and like, this is why I think people were saying like, it’d be better if they did like an adjustable, you know, like percentage thing, kind of like adjustable tax rates is that if you were in this weird thing where you make. Over a million, but under 1.3 or 1.4, something, it would actually be better for you if you sold fewer copies terms of what your percentage would be like.

[01:05:22] There is like a math thing where like, if you, if you have too much revenue, but under a certain amount, it’s actually better for you to have like under a million dollars in revenue.

[01:05:29] Brett: [01:05:29] I aspire to have that problem.

[01:05:31] Christina: [01:05:31] I mean, same, honestly. Um, but I actually, I thought that that was a move in the right direction. I think there’s still a lot of things that they should,

[01:05:38] Brett: [01:05:38] about time. Like people have been calling for this

[01:05:41] Christina: [01:05:41] They have they have, I mean, look, I think that there’s the, the cynic in me that would be like, while this is what happens when like you’re facing down the, you know, um, you know, the barrel of, of, of regulation, um, or, or, you know, like antitrust, you know, um, inquiries and whatnot. [01:06:00] And there might be some truth to that.

[01:06:01] I think the bigger thing, I don’t think Apple’s that worried about the government to be totally honest, maybe they should be, but I don’t think they are. I think the bigger thing is that the, um, Discontent from the developer community has become bigger and bigger and bigger, and it’s become a PR drum that they can’t just ignore and get rid of.

[01:06:19] And that is the sort of thing that will have long lasting. Uh, negative consequences. And I say that as a company, I guess somebody who works at a company that is still cleaning up from some of the negative repercussions that happened. Some of the things that happened 20 years ago, or are still impacting like my job today, which is fine.

[01:06:39] Like I, and I have explained people I’m like, okay, I was 15 when this thing that you’re talking about happened, like I’ve no control over this, but I asked God to be like, but I understand that you even in people who like, were never even impacted by it, like I’ve heard the stories and like, you know, reputations are built and it’s like, it’s really, really hard to build Goodwill.

[01:07:00] [01:06:59] It’s really easy to lose it. So, um, you know, I think it’s a good move, right? Because a. It’s not insignificant, uh, B I, I think we all aspire to maybe be developers who would have that sort of revenue for, they have to like, make the decision, like, do I taken less or do I try to squeeze out more? Um, but see, you know, it’s like, yeah, you don’t want, you don’t want that to become like the meme, which is, you know, Apple does it doesn’t care about, about their depths.

[01:07:29] Like, you don’t want that to become the conversation, which unfortunately has been part of the. I guess discourse for a while.

[01:07:38]Brett: [01:07:38] There was a great onion headline this week that said Facebook was making moves to break up the government before they get too big. And, uh, and right now, as this comes out, we’re recording on Tuesday, but Wednesday at noon, uh, Daniel gel cut is doing a, a, a talk with, um, app figures, uh, uh, a [01:08:00] zoom chat, a webinar on getting more downloads and keeping users happy that I will gladly be attending because Daniel gel coat is like a hero of mine.

[01:08:09] Christina: [01:08:09] Oh, yeah, mine too. I love him. Actually. I’m a shadow to Daniel. When I first moved to Brooklyn, he was still living in Brooklyn at the time and came to the surprise party that grant through for me at a, at a bar in the neighborhood, which was really sweet of him

[01:08:23] Brett: [01:08:23] He’s the he’s super social, super nice guy. And honestly, best programmer. I know.

[01:08:28] Christina: [01:08:28] I mean in Mar Rosetta is still one of those apps.

[01:08:30] Like, I, I, like I bought it and, and I, I, you know, I bought all of this stuff, but it’s one of those things, like I have it installed and set up, you know what I mean? Just because I want to give him use for it and I don’t use it, you know? Cause I don’t have a need to anymore, but like I have it open and I open it on occasion just cause I’m like, I, I wanna, you know what I mean?

[01:08:47] Okay.

[01:08:47] Brett: [01:08:47] Good. No, I haven’t gone that far to open apps. I don’t need, but I do make sure to run the setup versions of the apps. I do

[01:08:54] Christina: [01:08:54] Yeah, totally. I mean, I totally

[01:08:56] Brett: [01:08:56] including bartender for shout out again, [01:09:00] best Mac utility.

[01:09:02] Christina: [01:09:02] Yeah. Bartender four is really good. Yeah, I know. I always do the set up things like, uh, uh, w was it, I think default folder X was one that recently came in and I was like, that’s one of my most used apps. And I was like, yep. Going through the process, replacing this.

[01:09:16] Brett: [01:09:16] Fucking save dialogues. If you try to export from, um, logic in big Sur, the options window covers up the folder view. So you have to dismiss the options, like all of the format options. You have to dismiss them just to see what folder you’re saving into. Like, this is not good design.

[01:09:40] Christina: [01:09:40] No, it’s not. It’s like I get it. I get it. They really want a touch screen. I get it. Just, just

[01:09:46] Brett: [01:09:46] well, in the, in the, the little pop-up the like control center with wifi and Bluetooth and everything, there are no back buttons anymore. You, you tap the titles to, to get out, [01:10:00] which is absolutely. She’s supposed to be a touchscreen.

[01:10:03] Christina: [01:10:03] it absolutely is. Well, no, I mean, th this is why, uh, and, and some of our friends at Apple who listened to this are going to be mad at me. I, and I apologize, but this is why I’m calling bullshit on, I don’t care. How many times, you know, Craig and jaws are like, Oh no, we’re, we’re not doing a touchscreen thing.

[01:10:18] Yes, you are. Yes, you are.

[01:10:21] Brett: [01:10:21] doing it well.

[01:10:21] Christina: [01:10:21] Right. Well, I mean, it’s like, I, I grant you the way we might see. It might be different than the way that it’s been approached before, but yes you are. And if you’re not, then wow. I have some serious concerns about who was doing, you know, some of your UX stuff, right? It’s like, no, no.

[01:10:37] Tell me this. Like, this is just like you, weren’t doing an iPad video. It just like you, weren’t going to do a seven inch iPad, just like you. Weren’t going to bring, you know, like. Like you weren’t gonna make a phone. Like, you know, like yeah, you’re, you’re doing a damn touchscreen Mac and it might be a different form than what we’re all anticipating.

[01:10:53] Just like the iPad was not what we thought that a tablet, you know, like an Apple tablet would be [01:11:00] what yeah. Touch is coming. Like, I’m sorry. Like I wasn’t born yesterday. I I’m not, I’m not claiming to do that. I’m not, I’m not claiming to be the smartest person in the world, but I’m certainly not the dumbest.

[01:11:12]Brett: [01:11:12] Okay. You certainly are not, and you certainly are not.

[01:11:16] Christina: [01:11:16] All right.

[01:11:17] Brett: [01:11:17] yeah, but that time,

[01:11:19] Christina: [01:11:19] Brett is about that time, but this has been fun. Um, I will, um, listen to, um, uh, the synthesis music suggestions you gave me. I want you to listen to some of the Taylor Swift stuff. Um, I will send you some of my favorite tracks from evermore. It’s a good album. Like it’s I can’t pick between, uh, folklore and evermore.

[01:11:38] I just can’t. I think.

[01:11:40] Brett: [01:11:40] they’re sister albums.

[01:11:41] Christina: [01:11:41] They are sister albums there. Right. But, but like, they’re both really good, but there are aspects of evermore that I do appreciate because it feels like she just was experimenting in some ways. And I don’t know, I’m, I’m impressed with the creativity. I’m impressed with the fact that once again, like.

[01:11:59] Uh, [01:12:00] T she’s also recording all of her old songs. So like, you know, maybe Taylor’s manic, uh, maybe that’s a rumor we should start because like, she seems to be like, having like peak, like, like, you know, she’s very prodigious right now, so

[01:12:14] Brett: [01:12:14] Um, yeah. Well, listen to warp chamber right before your next, uh, your next meeting at work

[01:12:20] Christina: [01:12:20] okay. Which is like right now, so,

[01:12:22] Brett: [01:12:22] yeah, quick get on that. It doesn’t matter what song they’re basically all the same.

[01:12:26] Christina: [01:12:26] Okay. Sounds good.

[01:12:28]Brett: [01:12:28] All right. Well, once you get through today, get some sleep.

[01:12:33] Christina: [01:12:33] All right. Get some sleep, Brett.

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