217: Short for Nobody

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[00:00:00]Brett: [00:00:00] Welcome to overtired. I’m Brett Terpstra. I’m here with Christina Warren. How are you, Christina?

[00:00:05]Christina: [00:00:05] I’m okay. Um, it’s been kind of a crappy week if I can be totally honest, but I’m happy to be here with you.

[00:00:13] Brett: [00:00:13] well, I’m happy. You’re here with me. What? Anything specific? Crappy.

[00:00:18]Christina: [00:00:18] So, uh, I was robbed.

[00:00:22] Brett: [00:00:22] That’s crappy.

[00:00:24] Christina: [00:00:24] Yeah. So, okay. Like, My apartment wasn’t broken into meaning like my personal apartment wasn’t broken into, but I live in, uh, I think that it’s fair to call it a luxury apartment building. I think that would be the appropriate way to define it. I think when you pay as much money in rent as we do, and, and you know, the way that it certainly sells itself on the website and the amenities that it offers and whatnot, I think that’s.

[00:00:53] I think that’s how it would do, but this is important for the context.

[00:00:55] Brett: [00:00:55] Sure. Sure.

[00:00:56] Christina: [00:00:56] th th th th uh, so it’s it’s cause for instance, [00:01:00] if this had happened, when I lived in New York city, when I lived in Brooklyn, I would not have been, I mean, I would be upset, but it wouldn’t be the same sort of thing. This like adds to the violation, but so we pay 3,900 for rent.

[00:01:14] We pay $300 a month for parking. And there’s a secured package area where you have to like we’re packages are delivered and it is outside, um, accessible through like an access card in the garage. Well, crack heads got a crack head and they broke into that room during Thanksgiving weekend and, uh, robbed it. And that included a bunch of packages of things that I had ordered over Thanksgiving. So I lost . I lost a very expensive pair of off white sneakers. I lost a switch that I bought for grant for Christmas. I lost, um, a bunch of other stuff and, uh, [00:02:00] all in all, um, it’s been very, very expensive. Um, Process. And now I get to deal with police reports and insurance companies and, and whatnot.

[00:02:11] Oh. And, and incidentally, even though it is completely, in my opinion, the responsibility and the just absolute incompetency of the complex, they of course take no responsibility.

[00:02:22] Brett: [00:02:22] Oh, well that sucks. But on the, on the bright side, Just imagine being someone who was so desperate, they had to break into a secure package areas and imagine how good a day they had,

[00:02:40] Christina: [00:02:40] Oh,

[00:02:40] Brett: [00:02:40] like you made their

[00:02:42] Christina: [00:02:42] Fuck off. Fuck off, dude. I have. Absolutely. No I, no, no, no, no, no, no, absolutely not. Absolutely not. Fuck off. no,

[00:02:51] Brett: [00:02:51] I have been. I have been both mugged and I’ve had my apartment broken into and, and what little I had stolen. [00:03:00] Uh, this is all all happened back in college. I, it does not happen to me these days. I live in a, uh, fairly secure small town, but back then I had both experiences and I have to say, I would rather be mugged.

[00:03:14] Um, mugging feels like a very, uh, personal violation, but you kind of focus it on one person who did this bad thing to you, and it leads to fear and it is a violation, but something about having your, your shit broken into. Feels a lot more, uh, like random, like maybe the whole world is bad and you start seeing, uh, evil everywhere you serve here.

[00:03:38] Like nothing you have is secure anymore. Like that. I hate that feeling.

[00:03:43] Christina: [00:03:43] Yeah. And that’s kind of it, and it’s kind of like, and then like, you’d like, look in, you’re like, okay, well, how did I, you know, like, um, like, Like, what did I do? Like, could there have been something I could’ve done to prevent this? Or like, what can I trust anybody? And then the big thing for me is it’s like, you know, [00:04:00] again, like if I lived in Brooklyn and we didn’t have, you know, like a secure drop-off area and we didn’t have all of this, like pretensive security and they just put stuff on the fucking stoop, like.

[00:04:14] You know, if something got stolen off of the stoop, you get it. But, but there’s this other level of just like anger that I have of not just like the violation. Cause you do feel the violation, you feel like, can I trust anything? But also it’s just like the complete ineptitude of the building, like the complete and utter ineptitude of the building and like their response to this is to basically be like, okay, well we hired a locksmith to add a better lock and I’m like, crack heads are gonna crack head

[00:04:40] Brett: [00:04:40] well, and you’re still putting the entire luxury apartments shipping. Uh, right before Christmas, you’re putting it all in one a one-stop shop for somebody

[00:04:52] Christina: [00:04:52] Yes. Yes. And,

[00:04:54] Brett: [00:04:54] have good security.

[00:04:55] Christina: [00:04:55] and, and it’s, and it, well, this is the thing. And then it’s like, they have other options and I, and I [00:05:00] emailed them. Cause when I asked them, I was like, you haven’t taken security seriously, you haven’t done anything. I sent them a pretty, like. Because here’s the thing, like I can, I can rant and vent with people, but if I’m going to actually have a conversation with them, I’m going to be pretty precise.

[00:05:12] And I was like, you haven’t taken security seriously at all. I don’t have any trust or faith in you or this building or this, you know, very, very, very wealthy, um, you know, um, building company like that, the management company that owns the building are worth. Billions of dollars. So like, I, you know what I mean?

[00:05:30] Like I like, they, they, they are they’re highfalutin. Like, you know, it’s, it’s no skin off their nose, anything that happens, but I’m like, I have no faith in you. And they’re like, no, we had taken, I’m going to push back. We do take security seriously. I’m like, no, you don’t Grant’s car has been broken into twice in the last month.

[00:05:47] He doesn’t even lock his car anymore because he doesn’t want them to break the damn windows. So. His car has been broken into twice in the last month. You don’t care. We found someone living in the crawlspace, [00:06:00] um, at one point, which is horrifying on multiple levels in, in the garage.

[00:06:05] Brett: [00:06:05] Oh, okay. Thought you meant like in your apartment, that would have been awkward.

[00:06:08] Christina: [00:06:08] Uh, that would have been awkward, but, but still, I mean, it’s, it’s in the building,

[00:06:12] Brett: [00:06:12] Yeah.

[00:06:13] Christina: [00:06:13] where like people are breaking in and then potentially watching you and, and whatnot. And like, and I have sympathy to a certain extent for the crack heads, but to be completely honest, my sympathy stops when you are like breaking into, you know, um, package rooms or cars and, and that sort of thing.

[00:06:30] Like that’s when, like, I, I, um, I might be a bad person for that, but that’s, that’s when I got the point where I’m like, yeah, I actually don’t care anymore. You’re like actively violating, um, you know,

[00:06:42] Brett: [00:06:42] well, because then it’s inconvenient for you super sympathetic until, until they take something from you.

[00:06:50] Christina: [00:06:50] Well, I mean, the thing is, is it’s like, it’s not even about an inconvenient. It’s like, you’re actually committing a crime. Like

[00:06:56] Brett: [00:06:56] sure. But the whole point of sympathy is [00:07:00] to look at. What, what happened through make that person need to do that? And a person who’s who is gainfully employed or has their needs taken care of doesn’t break into other people’s stuff?

[00:07:12] Christina: [00:07:12] I mean, hopefully, and, and, and yeah, and I can I, and again, I just be honest, like, I’m sorry that they’re drug addicts. I’m also sorry that we don’t have safety nets for them. That doesn’t mean that I’m going to be like, yes, please.

[00:07:24] Brett: [00:07:24] Well, sure. Yeah, no, I get that.

[00:07:26] Christina: [00:07:26] B, B, because the thing is, is like, yeah, you know, cause some people are like, Oh, well, you know, must be nice.

[00:07:32] You can, you know, afford to deal with insurance. All of a sudden I was like, okay, well, first of all, I work really hard for my money. Like, and, and I worked really hard for the things that I got. And also it’s not as if I buy all these things all the time. Some of these things were Christmas gifts were, you know, things for other people.

[00:07:48] The PSI for instance, was for someone else.

[00:07:51] Brett: [00:07:51] well, this is, this is prime time to be sealing packages right now.

[00:07:55] Christina: [00:07:55] absolutely. And, and so, you know, any, the response to the apartment complex was just [00:08:00] like completely to me, just insufficient. I was just like, no, you clearly don’t take this stuff seriously. And when we had an old bully manager, she actually had said, okay, cause they, they, they offer these things where you can have these secured delivery lockers where, um, They’re like, they’re expensive, but, but they are in solid buildings and people have lockers and then you have to enter in a code to access the

[00:08:21] Brett: [00:08:21] right. Yeah.

[00:08:23] Christina: [00:08:23] And she, our old building manager had looked at, at getting them and she was like, it’d be about $40,000. And I’m thinking, I’m like, okay, so you charge a $10 a month surcharge to people living in the building, like fine. Um, people would pay it, you know, um, or I don’t know, just a thought you have an, you have a room.

[00:08:42] On the inside of the lobby that you could be using for the package delivery room, rather than having something outside that’s in the garage, which, you know, like we consistently have a problem with. And, and the fact is that when they’re trying to tell me the straight face, Oh, we care about security and I’m like, Grant’s [00:09:00] car has been broken into twice in the last month.

[00:09:02] No, you don’t like if you cared about it, you would hire. A security person. She watched over the garage, which would be very expensive. But if you cared about it, that’s what you would do. Like if it would actually affect their bottom line at all, they would do it. And that’s what bothers me because it’s like, again, if I lived in a building that cost less, that didn’t sell itself as doing what it does and it didn’t have the sole delivery place, be what it is then I wouldn’t be as angry at them.

[00:09:30] Like I’m actually more angry the building than I am at the crackhead. Like, honestly, Like to me, that, that I’m like a lot more frustrated with that, but the whole thing has just been anxiety written and like, and this is where I’m going to be come. And sufferable a little bit, but like, yeah, even though this is maybe not the best way to deal with the pandemic, one of the ways I’ve been dealing with this whole thing has been by like with blatant consumerism has been like one of the only things that makes me feel like I have control over anything is [00:10:00] to like, get things for myself or for other people.

[00:10:02] And then when that’s taken away too, it’s like, well, You know, there’s like nothing that I can do to like, even feel slightly better because I don’t even have any trust that if I buy anything that I’m going to be able to actually get it. And that I won’t literally just be flushing money down the toilet, um, which is not a good feeling.

[00:10:21] And I don’t have any trust that this very expensive place that I live, like. You know, it has my best interest at heart or anything. And then I do also think about things I’m like, yeah. You know, if I didn’t leave my apartment, if I didn’t, if I actually went outside, like, would I feel safe that somebody wouldn’t just be able to break in to, you know, the building and just go door to door and start robbing places.

[00:10:45]Brett: [00:10:45] so, Oh my God. I could. Today’s episode is brought to you by Headspace, which is great for, you know, finding comfort during a pandemic, but we’re going to wait a couple minutes to do a Headspace ad. Um, [00:11:00] so do you want some good news? Do you want to cheer up?

[00:11:03] Christina: [00:11:03] some good news. I definitely want to cheer

[00:11:04] Brett: [00:11:04] So listeners know that, uh, last week I was grieving the loss of we had to put down a nine month old kitten and, and that was tragic.

[00:11:17] Yeah. So I, we had, you know, we were going to take some time and emotionally recover and, um, And, you know, see what happens. And then we get a call on Saturday night, a friend found a kitten, uh, like a two month, two month old kitten in a cemetery on its own. And they asked if we would, would take them in to shelter until the humane society opened up on Monday.

[00:11:46] And I immediately was like, yeah, I, I would love to, even for a couple of days, just have a kitten in the house and. They brought her over and she’s a long hair, which I had decided [00:12:00] if we got another kitten that I wanted a long hair. And, uh, at first she was scared and she was pancaking like when they crouched close to the ground and walk on their stomach.

[00:12:11] So I thought it was a munchkin cat. Okay. Turns out she’s she’s normal. Yeah. Uh, when she, uh, kinda opened up and now, like we have her, uh, in her own room to kind of give our elder cat his territory. Um, but. When you go into that room, she runs up to greet you. So it starts me out whittling. And if you lay down on the bed there, she’ll run onto your chest and just start purring and rubbing up against you.

[00:12:40] And she plays so energetically and it has been such a joy, even if we don’t keep her, it has been exactly what I needed for the last few days.

[00:12:51] Christina: [00:12:51] Oh, I’m so glad. I’m so glad. So have you given her a

[00:12:54] Brett: [00:12:54] I have, well, actually, yeah, L named her there’s a book by, uh, Neil Gaiman [00:13:00] called the graveyard book, uh, in which a baby, uh, escapes a gruesome murder and is, uh, he makes his way to the graveyard. Where he is basically adopted by ghosts and they name him, nobody. Uh, which is the name they use is Bob short for nobody.

[00:13:20] And, uh, because this kitten was found in the graveyard, we have named her pod.

[00:13:25]Christina: [00:13:25] That’s perfect. That’s perfect. I love that. That’s very, that’s very good. L like that’s like, fantastic. Um, so you don’t know if you’re going to keep her yet, but for right now, anyway, she’s like exactly what,

[00:13:37] Brett: [00:13:37] Yes. I, I have not even called the humane society yet. Uh, to the extent we, we may hold onto her long enough that it ends up being a surrender situation. And we actually probably have to pay a fee to like, get rid of her if we need to. So, um, we’ll see what happens, but, uh, but yeah, she’s and we still had all the kitten toys and everything, and we had [00:14:00] kitten food and kitten beds and, uh, and we had already kind of set the house up to deal with having a kitten and an elder cat.

[00:14:06] And so it was just kind of perfect timing and. This, like, we still carry a lot of sadness over Finnegan, but, uh, but this feels like almost like it was meant to be. And I’m not a con I’m not a guy who says that kind of thing, but everything just kind of fell into place for bod. So, so that’s my, that’s my happy news to contrast your crappy week.

[00:14:31] Christina: [00:14:31] That’s awesome. Well, that actually makes me really happy. I’m really happy to hear that. And I’m really happy that that bot is there. And, um, you know, look forward to hearing like what you guys decide what’s going to go into, I guess, your decision about whether or not you keep

[00:14:45] Brett: [00:14:45] Yeti. Uh, if Yeti, so while we had Finnegan, Yeti kind of, he moved his territory. Cats. Territorial. So, um, they kind of, they need their own space. And Yeti had moved into the [00:15:00] basement, which isn’t a furnished basement and it made me feel bad for him, but he was super content to like prowl and sleep down there.

[00:15:08] Um, but I really, once Finnegan was gone yet, he came back upstairs and was like following me around all day and sitting in my lap and I had missed that and it made me realize that I didn’t want to do anything to. Uh, forced Yeti out. So we’re doing this longer introduction period where they, uh, where bod has her own room.

[00:15:30] And, uh, trying to see if Yeti gets to a point where he’s comfortable. He immediately seems more comfortable with a female cat than a male cat. Um, Yeah, and I don’t, I don’t I’ve only, ever in recent years, I’ve only ever had male cats. So I don’t really know he was fine with his female litter mate. But anyway, like if Yeti comes around and, and will still be like my favorite cat in the world and we [00:16:00] get to have bought, then bud stays.

[00:16:02] Uh, if Yeti never gets used to having another cat in the house, then uh, then Bob will find a better home.

[00:16:11]Christina: [00:16:11] Gotcha. Gotcha. Well, all right. Fingers crossed that the Yeti become as comfortable, um, and, and that bod can stay, but, uh, otherwise I, I, I, I sounds like bod will, will be able to find a good home because

[00:16:26] Brett: [00:16:26] have you seen any of the pictures I posted? I’ve only, I’ve only posted a few, but, um, Yeah on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter, but I don’t see your shit either. Like the algorithm does not want me to see the stuff you do. You pop up kind of randomly in my feeds, even though I follow you in all of those places anyways.

[00:16:47] Christina: [00:16:47] yeah, I was going to say same. I was going to say same, like yeah. The algorithm really is just like, yeah. We don’t care. We don’t, we don’t appreciate that. YouTube. Meanwhile, the algorithm, the way that Facebook works is that somebody who I don’t have [00:17:00] any connections with, other than somebody who I was emailing with and working on a project with came up as a suggested friend.

[00:17:05] Brett: [00:17:05] right. Freaky.

[00:17:06] Christina: [00:17:06] I’m like, I’m like, I’m like, okay, we don’t even live in the same state and you’re telling me you don’t search my emails. All right. Whatever

[00:17:17] Brett: [00:17:17] Never accept the suggested friends,

[00:17:19]Christina: [00:17:19] This, this,

[00:17:20] Brett: [00:17:20] find your own friends like that is exactly like one of the prime ways you feed the algorithm is accepting suggestions.

[00:17:29]Christina: [00:17:29] Yeah, no, that’s, that’s true. That’s true. What’s actually hilarious. Is I created an alt Facebook account once. Like there was a completely fake name. Didn’t I don’t even know if I had a photo. It was just because as I recall, this was a number of years ago. So, I don’t remember why I created it. I think I, I think that somebody like made you have a Facebook account, if you wanted to leave a comment on, on something.

[00:17:51] And like, I didn’t want to leave a comment under my actual name for whatever reason. And so it created this fake Facebook account and I [00:18:00] came back to that account and it had like dozens of friend requests, not a real person, not like, not a real thing. Had. Like dozens of friend requests. And so I accepted them just cause I was like, well,

[00:18:13] Brett: [00:18:13] burner account. Why not?

[00:18:15] Christina: [00:18:15] exactly why not, but, and then that led to other things.

[00:18:18] I’m like, okay, how did, like, how does this even happen? Right. Like, I didn’t even have details in this account for anything.

[00:18:26] Brett: [00:18:26] thing, you know, where you like spouting Q Anon conspiracies.

[00:18:29]Christina: [00:18:29] No, no, I think I forgot the login or whatever, but, but honestly, if I ever went back to it, if I reactivated that accounter or did something within, I think that would be the account that I would use to try to go into some of the more bananas,

[00:18:43] Brett: [00:18:43] Oh, sure. Yeah,

[00:18:45] Christina: [00:18:45] Because again, like, this is the problem and this is the problem that journalists always make.

[00:18:51] Like they, they joined those groups and then of course people figure them out because, you know, Like, if you just look at somebody’s profile, you can figure out what they’re doing or whatnot. And I’m [00:19:00] like, all right, that’s amateur hour. If you actually want to get into the groups, you need to use a burner account.

[00:19:04] And, uh, you know what I mean? Like, honestly, and, and, but then people that go well, that’s, that’s not ethical. And I’m like, it’s already quasi and ethical. If you’re trying to join these closed spaces to do reporting. Do it correctly, like actually like go into our cover, like, like don’t use your actual

[00:19:24] Brett: [00:19:24] I want, I want to. Get myself a burner email, which I sadly don’t have anymore. And a burner phone number. Cause my Google voice account got shut down and I want to, I want a parlor account so that I control parlor the way that they always troll me. I want to do that. But at the same time, I don’t want to, maybe I don’t need that in my life, but I kinda I’m tempted.

[00:19:52] Christina: [00:19:52] Yeah, I thought about that. I thought about that. Cause I, you have a Google voice account, but I’m like, I don’t want to give that my number just

[00:19:58] Brett: [00:19:58] well, and they,

[00:19:59] Christina: [00:19:59] an [00:20:00] actual burner.

[00:20:00] Brett: [00:20:00] they ask for social security numbers, not for like deep, like basic login, but to get like credentialed status, they want your social security number.

[00:20:10] Christina: [00:20:10] I know, I know it’s ridiculous. I’m like, who would actually give that over? Like who would actually turn that over? It’s like somebody who wants to be verified on parlor. Although I can’t imagine that that Maria Bartiromo actually gave her social security number of her. Although, I mean, I would love to think that she did,

[00:20:27] Brett: [00:20:27] well, I wonder if they’re verifying them in any way. Can you just give a fake social. For anyone, for anyone who doesn’t know parlor is this social network that, uh, kind of gained traction when all of the like very right-wing people started thinking that Facebook was specifically. Censoring them and Twitter was specifically censoring them and they’re like, fine.

[00:20:52] We’re taking our toys and we’re going to parlor. And there we can freely spout our, our, our conspiracy theories [00:21:00] and, and talk about the radical left. And, uh, it was, it’s kind of a playground for, uh, Nazis, I guess.

[00:21:09]Christina: [00:21:09] Well, yeah, although gap is really more, the playground for Nazis parlor seems to be more like the playground for like,

[00:21:17] Brett: [00:21:17] Nazi adjacent.

[00:21:18] Christina: [00:21:18] your, yeah. Or like your racist

[00:21:22] Brett: [00:21:22] Yeah, that’s what I’m talking about.

[00:21:24] Christina: [00:21:24] Yeah, but, but like, whereas like, but like gab, which was, um, shut down or not shut down, but has like significantly had way less growth and Gabs apps for instance, are not available on the app store or Google play.

[00:21:41] Their browser extensions have been

[00:21:43] Brett: [00:21:43] right. Didn’t some of them, didn’t some of the major DNS and hosting companies cut gab off

[00:21:49] Christina: [00:21:49] yeah, they did. They did CloudFlare cut them off. Yeah, exactly. CloudFlare cut them off. And I think some of the other ones did too. Um, you know, like they they’ve really been, um, [00:22:00] they’ve had a hard time or, uh, their, their, their ICO did not do well

[00:22:05] Brett: [00:22:05] Are you being discriminated against? Uh,

[00:22:09] Christina: [00:22:09] Oh, I’m so sorry. What? Yeah, no, gab is, is, is a shit show.

[00:22:13] And, and in part, because, um, a lot of the Charlottesville Nazis, like legit Nazis were gap users and we’re, we’re promoting that stuff all over gab and like gab, for instance, like verified weave. And, uh, and then he got mad at gab because they weren’t, um, Hardcore enough for him. And he left, uh, like the whole, the whole thing was just disgusting, but parlor, like, they will actively sensor you if you’re sane.

[00:22:44] Uh, but they won’t like if you, if you, you know, use a lot of profanity or nudity or whatever, but they won’t, if you know, you’re all about spreading, you know, conspiracy theories, but I. Yeah, but I do imagine that that [00:23:00] parlor would be like, if you were trying to do some like very blatant Nazi shit, they’d be like, no, um,

[00:23:06] Brett: [00:23:06] you said the quiet part loud, tone it down.

[00:23:10]Christina: [00:23:10] That’s exactly it because it’s, because again, it’s, it’s your racist grandpa. It’s not like, you know, a skinhead who’s like being really like walking down the street and, and marching and, um, You know, um, uh, protest, you know, against, uh, democracy. Like again, like if you, if you say the quiet part out loud, then that’s, that’s not cool.

[00:23:31] But as long as you kind of, you know, say all the dog whistle stuff, that’s fine. But yeah, I’ve wanted to kind of play around with it, but I’m like, I will, I don’t even want to give them a Google voice number, to be honest. Like I have plenty of, I have plenty of burner email accounts. Like that’s not

[00:23:47] Brett: [00:23:47] Well, I wonder if they’re VR, I wonder. Yeah, I should see if they even text the number you give them, or if they can verify through email. Anyway, we’re not going to link any of this in the show notes. And if [00:24:00] you’re running to the show notes right now to check for links to any of these places, you are, um, you’re a horrible person and we don’t want you to listen to the show anymore. Fucking Nazis. Um, yeah. So anyway, have you seen the flight attendant?

[00:24:17]Christina: [00:24:17] I’ve seen the first episode

[00:24:19] Brett: [00:24:19] was a three episode. Premier. How have you only seen one episode?

[00:24:24] Christina: [00:24:24] because I had other stuff going on and I was watching the tape of the bell,

[00:24:29] Brett: [00:24:29] the new one? Oh God.

[00:24:32] Christina: [00:24:32] good. No, it’s really

[00:24:34] Brett: [00:24:34] No, it’s not. It can’t be,

[00:24:36]Christina: [00:24:36] Oh no, it actually is. I S I, I shit, you not, it’s actually

[00:24:41] Brett: [00:24:41] what if I never liked the original.

[00:24:43]Christina: [00:24:43] you might say he’ll find the new one. Funny. So the creator, the show runner is a 30 rock and Mindy project alum, and a guy who was the creator of Zack Morris has trashed the great YouTube series is one of the staff writers [00:25:00] and it’s self-aware and, uh, It’s it’s.

[00:25:05] It’s good. It’s really good. I’m really angry about it actually, because it’s really funny and good.

[00:25:12] Brett: [00:25:12] right. I’m probably, I’m probably not even going to give it a chance. I mean, I’ll put it in the show notes for people

[00:25:21] Christina: [00:25:21] I mean, that’s fine. It’s it’s on peacock. I get it. I might try to get it on my Plex so that you can, uh, watch it that

[00:25:28] Brett: [00:25:28] isn’t peacock free.

[00:25:30]Christina: [00:25:30] Yeah, but I think they have some premium stuff. And so I don’t know if this is one of those things that is freer is not free. I don’t know. Cause I, I have Comcast cable stupidly, which I need to cancel.

[00:25:41] And so I get peacock through that. But, um,

[00:25:45] Brett: [00:25:45] Um, so anyway,

[00:25:48] Christina: [00:25:48] so anyway, the flight attendants, uh, I did see like the, the first episode, cause I like, I like

[00:25:55] Brett: [00:25:55] Kelly. Yeah.

[00:25:57] Christina: [00:25:57] uh, She’s she’s good. And, and I’m [00:26:00] also, I’m like proud of her. I’m like, you never have to work again, like ever, and you’re still doing stuff.

[00:26:07] Like I, part of me just kind of expected her to go off with her horses and shit and like, you know,

[00:26:13] Brett: [00:26:13] yeah. After how many seasons on the big bang, it’s not like, yeah, a lot, a lot of

[00:26:19] Christina: [00:26:19] and like, they were well, well, and they were getting like 2 million an episode at the

[00:26:24] Brett: [00:26:24] Wow.

[00:26:25]Christina: [00:26:25] And they were getting the million an episode for a while. So she, like, when I say she never has to work again, like, that’s what I mean, like from residuals alone, she would never have to work again.

[00:26:34] But I mean, you know, she was there the highest paid TV people for like the, the, the three of them or one of her for quite a long time. The other cast members were paid well, but not like that, you know? So you, you feel, you feel bad for blossom a little bit. Um, but, uh, but Blossom’s also kind of a weirdo. So you kind of, don’t like, she’s one of those people who like, [00:27:00] is one of those, like the children sleep in the same bed as the parents until they’re like 15 types of people.

[00:27:07] Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know. I know. I was kind of disappointed in that too. I was like, damn blossom. I’d really had higher hopes for

[00:27:13] Brett: [00:27:13] But anyway, Kaylee is super good in this show.

[00:27:18] Christina: [00:27:18] She is.

[00:27:19] Brett: [00:27:19] like she’s playing, uh, an alcoholic flight attendant who witnesses, or like literally wakes up in bed next to someone who’s dead, uh, murdered brutally murdered. And it’s, she plays this kind of frenzied alcoholic on the run from, uh, like a big.

[00:27:37] Conspiracy of some sort. Um, and it’s dramatic. It was, it was billed as a comedic thriller and I four episodes in, I can tell you absolutely it is not a comedy. Um, so I went into it with, with expectations that were not met, but as far as a thriller [00:28:00] goes, it is it’s downright delicious.

[00:28:02]Christina: [00:28:02] okay. I will watch, I will watch the rest of it that it’s available now. Cause I did like the first episode a lot. Um, and I did know it was a thriller going into it cause I saw some interview. She did and I was like, Oh, okay. This is actually an interesting kind of idea. I like this. So, um, I, I will give, I will watch the rest of it.

[00:28:22] Um, And I’m, I’m sorry to keep, to go back on this, but say for the fellows really

[00:28:27] Brett: [00:28:27] okay. Okay. Maybe I’ll give it one episode while I’m working on something else.

[00:28:33]Christina: [00:28:33] I mean, I, the only thing I’m going to say that like really impressed me is that they have, um, a trans character who is like, Kind of in the Lisa turtle role, like she’s like a cheerleader and she’s rich and popular and kind of inseparable, but in like kind of a, an endearing way. Um, and the way that they handle her character is awesome.

[00:28:54] And part of that was because they actually made the actress a producer and had her like, [00:29:00] be a consultant about how they would handle her storylines and stuff, which I thought was

[00:29:05] Brett: [00:29:05] that is cool. How are you watching the new season of big mouth?

[00:29:08]Christina: [00:29:08] Um, No, it’s on my list though. Cause I knew that they recast, uh, um, the character that Jenny slate had voiced, um, and, uh, which is pretty, which, which makes a lot of sense and is, uh, cool. But no, I haven’t seen that yet. Uh, but, but, um,

[00:29:27] Brett: [00:29:27] it is everything. Everything that made the first two seasons, um, pregnant. And, uh, um, what do you want? Honest is like amped up in season three. Um, they like in the first three episodes they’ve covered like, uh, heavy periods. They’ve covered, impacted colons. They’ve covered trans, uh, coming out. Too, like going to summer camp for the first time as a trans woman who was at the [00:30:00] camp last year as a boy and having to go through that kind of transition.

[00:30:07] And they’ve got this weird bisexual kid, uh, who. Has like sexual intercourse with pillows. Like they have a whole storyline with him and this like, uh, Lola, I don’t know if you remember the character she’s like this super, like, she wants to be a Valley girl, but she’s just like a Butch, a super giant. Uh, yeah, so they develop like a relationship and it’s, uh, it’s disgusting.

[00:30:36] Like I don’t watch it while you’re eating dinner. But at the same time, it’s super honest and real in a disgusting way.

[00:30:45]Christina: [00:30:45] Yeah, I was going to say that’s been my only hang up, I think from the reason I haven’t watched it. Cause I’ve, I’ve, I’ve been interested in it. It was that some of the. I remember, especially from like the first season, some of the stuff was like really, really gross in a way that I [00:31:00] was like, I don’t know if I love this.

[00:31:03] Um, there’s just, there’s a lot of semen in that show,

[00:31:07]Brett: [00:31:07] Hey,

[00:31:08]Christina: [00:31:08] there is,

[00:31:10] Brett: [00:31:10] is, this season seems to be a lot more about blood and shit. So, you know, it’s a trade off. Wasn’t there tool song about this, um,

[00:31:21] Christina: [00:31:21] I’m sure there was Maynard,

[00:31:24] Brett: [00:31:24] shit blood and come on my hands. That was a line,

[00:31:27] Christina: [00:31:27] okay.

[00:31:27] Brett: [00:31:27] um, prison, prison, sex, prison, something prison. Yeah. I don’t remember tool very well anyway. You know what last year was pretty stressful for everybody.

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[00:31:53] Christina: [00:31:53] that was a really good read. That was a really good read. That was a really good throw back to everything we’ve been talking

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[00:32:57] Um, I am still [00:33:00] loving using the focus soundtracks while I’m working. I something, something switched for me. I used to be able to listen to. As long as I couldn’t understand the lyrics, I could listen to music. Uh, so like Atari, teenage riot and, and, and black metal, I could listen to find while I worked, but I can’t anymore.

[00:33:20] And I’ve been working with silence and these focus on tracks have been kind of the perfect in-between for me. Uh, if you haven’t tried them, Christina, you should.

[00:33:29]Christina: [00:33:29] Okay. I definitely, I definitely agree. And actually it’s funny because I hadn’t even thought of this, but I, but like I was, I was severely stressed yesterday.

[00:33:38] Brett: [00:33:38] I bet.

[00:33:39] Christina: [00:33:39] have actually, and I should have used Headspace, honestly.

[00:33:43] Brett: [00:33:43] minutes of that you would have been feeling fine. I mean, fine enough to call the insurance company.

[00:33:51]Christina: [00:33:51] yeah, well, I was part of the stress was being on the

[00:33:54] Brett: [00:33:54] Sure. That is super anxiety inducing.

[00:33:57]Christina: [00:33:57] without a doubt, so actually I’m not even [00:34:00] joking. Like I think this is gonna be one of those things after we finish our episode, that I’m going to be taking some time with Headspace.

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[00:34:37]So I, you want to, do you want to do some tech talk?

[00:34:41]Christina: [00:34:41] let’s do some tech talk.

[00:34:43] Brett: [00:34:43] Um, do you use who to spot at all?

[00:34:46]Christina: [00:34:46] That’s like the search plugin thing. I think I’ve used it before, probably because I’ve read some, I’ve read something on your blog about it.

[00:34:56] Brett: [00:34:56] yeah, yeah. I’m a huge fan. Like I [00:35:00] are you spotlight all the time and I don’t. I don’t tend to have like deep folder systems because I just find everything with spotlight whenever spotlight fails me, and this is not an advertisement, I’m just a super happy user, uh, who to spot can always find the file I’m looking for.

[00:35:19] Uh, and they just came out with their 6.0 release. It it’ll be announced today and we’re publishing the same day we’re recording. So this is super topical.

[00:35:28]Christina: [00:35:28] very cool. Very cool. So, uh, what’s uh, what’s some of the new stuff with it because I’m going to probably need to

[00:35:35] Brett: [00:35:35] well, so a while back, uh, I think just one operating system ago, um, uh, Apple mail stopped being searchable. Uh, they changed the way that things were index. So now, uh, who to spot six comes with an Apple mail plugin. And, and I use MailMate, so this doesn’t affect me as much, but I know that I, when I was using mail, being able to [00:36:00] search it with spotlight was, was a big deal.

[00:36:02] So that’s exciting. And do you remember tag clouds? Do you remember late WordPress tag clouds when you could like drill down into. Categories using a, like, they added that to, uh, to who to spot. So you can like add a search, comes up, you get a tag cloud of all the tags in that search and you can drill down with it.

[00:36:24] Um, regular expression filters. You can, you can filter your results based on, uh, uh, a whole like over a hundred criteria, but you can also use regular expressions to filter them by name, path or folder, which is for those of us who have real, uh, strong, possibly sexual attraction to regular expressions, this is super exciting.

[00:36:50] A friend, a friend, actually, a friend slash employer asked me today to write a regular expression, to do something. And I’m super giddy about finishing [00:37:00] up this podcast and editing it so I can get around to writing that regular expression, not only me, but a select group of people. We should start a little club

[00:37:11] Christina: [00:37:11] Yeah, I do. I mean, I like regular expressions. I mean, I, I like regular expressions. I don’t know if they make me wet, but like, um, like I, you know what I mean? Like I, like, I don’t, I don’t think I get a wop from, from, from regexes, but I do, I do like them.

[00:37:28] Brett: [00:37:28] Uh, Oh, okay. Um, yeah, so there’s like, I’ll link the release notes for this in the, uh, in the show notes. But if, if you use spotlight or even if you’re like a, a Huda spot five user, the 6.0 releases, super exciting. Check that out. I feel like that was that it did sound like an ad read who to spot is not sponsoring us, but maybe they should.

[00:37:54]Christina: [00:37:54] This is what I was gonna say. I was gonna be like, look, we, these are not ad reads, but. [00:38:00] Maybe they should be like who to spot, like hit us up. Cause, cause clearly like that’s, that’s what you could get. Um, although maybe you just kind of gave it away, but, but I mean, they, they, they, they, they could also get like a call to action.

[00:38:15] You know, they have a coupon, I don’t know. There there’d be,

[00:38:17] Brett: [00:38:17] Well, so. Like on my blog. Um, I handpick the sponsors and occasionally I’ll take someone who contacts me out of the blue that I’ve never worked with and, and run a spot for them after I verified that what they’re selling is legit. Um, but for the most part, I, if I write about someone enough times, I reach out to them and ask for their support.

[00:38:44] And like it’s a complete full disclosure. There’s a clear line between what is, uh, me writing about them and what is them, uh, paying for space. But like it, I’ve, I’ve worked really [00:39:00] hard to maintain a group of sponsors that I really truly do support. And I think that’s entirely possible to pull off.

[00:39:09]Christina: [00:39:09] I think so.

[00:39:10] Brett: [00:39:10] Yeah.

[00:39:11] So you want to hear my latest, big Sur problems.

[00:39:15] Christina: [00:39:15] I do. I’m very excited to, to hear about this because I’ve been kind of waiting to be honest.

[00:39:20] Brett: [00:39:20] There’s this command line utility that comes with Macko S called text utill and it can do all kinds of conversions from like RTF to HTML or HTML to text and a word docs. And. You can do like a bunch of cool conversions with it. And it has always accepted input via standard in, so in the middle of a script, if I have like a whole, the content of a document stored in a variable, I can echo that in a, in a shell statement out to texts util and retrieve the output from standard out.

[00:39:54] You with me so far

[00:39:56]Christina: [00:39:56] I am.

[00:39:57] Brett: [00:39:57] in big Sur text [00:40:00] you till no longer accept standard in input. So I have to actually write the content out to a temporary file, run the conversion on it, and then pull the content back in that is breaking so many of my scripts.

[00:40:14]Christina: [00:40:14] that’s really frustrating and really annoying. And from what I understand, like if I remember correctly, cause I knew about texting until I don’t think I’ve ever used it other than like. People who’ve written it into scripts that I use or whatever, but, but the, the historical way that it has worked since like the beginning of time has been the way that you described, right?

[00:40:32] Like, like before this

[00:40:35] Brett: [00:40:35] Yeah, pipe it in pipe it out.

[00:40:37]Christina: [00:40:37] right, exactly. Like it hasn’t been a, if you’ve needed to create a separate file and then pipe that in and then pipe out a different output. So this is a significant change to how this thing that is presumably been part of the operating system. For 20

[00:40:53] Brett: [00:40:53] and the con the flag is still there. You can still put it. Dash S T D I N N. And it’s [00:41:00] supposedly according to the main page still reads it, but every time you do it, it will say invalid format, or it gave you some error that it does not make sense at all. No matter what, you’re passing it. Even if you explicitly declare the format, it will still give you an error.

[00:41:16] So many of my scripts.

[00:41:18]Christina: [00:41:18] And the thing is, is that in theory and like there’s a time when I think that some of us could have been like, this seems like there was a time when we could have expected it.

[00:41:27] This was actually a bug that this would be fixed, right? Like that this be something that you could submit a radar for, and that this would get fixed. I don’t have that same confidence now at all. Even if this is actually like an unintended bug,

[00:41:39] Brett: [00:41:39] no, I do not. Um, and, and especially not for a command line utility that wasn’t new with this OSTP, like they don’t seem to be doing a great job handling deprecations and things that, that broke. That aren’t, uh, that are kind of educated, which I would consider tax utility kind of [00:42:00] an uneducated, but no, I don’t have any faith that it will ever be fixed.

[00:42:05]Christina: [00:42:05] Yeah. Yeah. Which is really disappointing, to be honest. And I think that to me is probably the most disappointing thing is that there was a time when we could be like, okay, this thing that we’ve relied on and that, you know, our ships are written around, there was an error, but it’s going to be fixed. And now it’s like, Nope.

[00:42:21] Now it’s just not.

[00:42:22] Brett: [00:42:22] And that’s kinda what happened to Mark. Like Mark is using a version of web kit that is deprecated and they, they made that very clear, but, uh, like it, it, it could not use the new version of WebKit and still maintain functionality. So I continued using it, but for whatever reason, it, it breaks. And we’ve talked about this, but it breaks the PDF output.

[00:42:50] Only only on big Sur and it’s the kind of thing like, Whoa, I don’t even understand how it broke, like how it’s almost [00:43:00] intentional that they crippled it. And I don’t understand why. And they haven’t responded to any of my forum posts. I haven’t directly submitted a developer request about this, but I’ve gone through all the forums radars and all I’ve been told is that it’s deprecated.

[00:43:18]Christina: [00:43:18] right. And you’re like, I know it’s deprecated, but it’s, it’s still, you know, giving me this thing. Like, is there something to work around it? And I mean, the thing is, is that what’s frustrating about that to me, is that like, okay. It’s deprecated, but like, let’s say you wanted to maintain your own fork of WebKit and include that in your own.

[00:43:39] You know, within

[00:43:39] Brett: [00:43:39] Yeah. Like people did this with like quick time versions and stuff. Yeah.

[00:43:44] Christina: [00:43:44] exactly. So, so let’s say like you wanted to, to do that, like, The fact that you can’t even get insight into like, okay, what did you change with however courts or whatever is, is dealing with PDFs? Like what changes did you make there so that if you needed to, cause you know, web kid [00:44:00] is open source extensively.

[00:44:01] Like you could pay a bright, I mean, I, I. I realized, but you know, in, in theory, I’m not saying you would do this because that this would be a lot of work, but in theory, you could take the source of the old version of WebKit and make a patch to it to try to make it work. If you even knew, like, what was changed.

[00:44:16] But, but I

[00:44:18] Brett: [00:44:18] honestly, that’s outside of my,

[00:44:20] Christina: [00:44:20] than to be like it’s deprecated.

[00:44:21] Brett: [00:44:21] it’s like beyond my skills to actually hack the WebKit source and figure out for this particular problem to figure out how to fix it. Um,

[00:44:31] Christina: [00:44:31] No totally fair enough. I’m just saying like, you’re not even getting that information. Let’s say it was within your skillset, right. It gets not in this case. So it’s a much bigger issue, but let’s say that it wasn’t like the fact that, that the only response you’re getting is it’s deprecated. It’s like, okay.

[00:44:46] That’s, that’s not really my question. My question is what change was made, you know, like what’s going on here. Um, and then you’re left to feel like, okay, well, you know, this, this feels purposeful. Which [00:45:00] is weird.

[00:45:01] Brett: [00:45:01] so have you, are you currently on big Sur or were you still holding off?

[00:45:07] Christina: [00:45:07] No. Oh, I’m still holding off. I mean, I’ve got it on a VM, uh, like I’ve got it in a container or whatever. Um, AP Fest container, like on an external drive, but hell no.

[00:45:16] Brett: [00:45:16] you know how, when you get notifications, they often have, like, let’s say you get a, a calendar invite. It’ll have two big buttons on it and say like decline and except in big Sur, that’s a dropdown that you have to open to perform the actions on it.

[00:45:32] Christina: [00:45:32] Are you

[00:45:33] Brett: [00:45:33] I’m serious. Like they added a click to it and I don’t understand why, because most of the time there were only two options and they could easily, still have been two big buttons on it, like why?

[00:45:44] Christina: [00:45:44] pray, I pray. Yeah. Like that. That’s really annoying, especially, that’s just, I’m not, I’m not a big fan of this

[00:45:51] Brett: [00:45:51] And they did this thing with toolbars. Like if you open up the preferences for an app, unless the app. You can, you can [00:46:00] update this and add, uh, uh, toolbar style preference to a toolbar, but by default it puts the label. Like if you’re on the general tab of preferences, it takes up like two inches. And I’m going to say like, 450 pixels of space to put the word general on the left and then cramps all of the icons to the right, with an overflow menu.

[00:46:25] Like it serves no purpose. It does nothing. It doesn’t even look good. Like there are so many choices here that I don’t understand. And this is our, this is our bitching about big search section of the show.

[00:46:39]Christina: [00:46:39] Which, which I think is so, which I think is totally fair. Um,

[00:46:43] Brett: [00:46:43] you know, what else they broke while I’m on while I’m on a tear here. Um,

[00:46:47] Christina: [00:46:47] it. Yeah. Let’s just, let’s just continue talking about

[00:46:49] Brett: [00:46:49] I have this app called bunch that, uh, does like batch, uh, application launching. Like you can have a, uh, uh, a text file that makes it launch your [00:47:00] podcasting apps, uh, change your sound input and output. Turn on, do not disturb.

[00:47:04]Christina: [00:47:04] It’s like your automator on

[00:47:07] Brett: [00:47:07] Yeah.

[00:47:07] Yeah. And all text-based super fun and big servers broke the do not disturb. I can no longer programmatically access do not disturb, uh, because they moved it into the control center and I can no longer find where the preference is in the global preferences to turn it on. And, uh, it, it doesn’t seem to be.

[00:47:30] Accessible any way other than maybe I can figure out using accessibility scripting to actually like fake a mouse, click on it. But even that has alluded me thus far and it like that, that I get why they moved. Do not disturb into this like new, uh, kind of utility pop-up, that’s very much like iOS where you have like your wifi, Bluetooth airdrop, like it’s all in one little pop-up panel.

[00:47:58] That’s cool. I [00:48:00] appreciate. Um, but removing the ability to at all, and to be fair to do it before or required some like core foundation, uh, hacking. It wasn’t, there was no API to do it, but it was possible to change the, the global preference P list and then force a reload of it. And it worked and now it doesn’t and it’s driving me nuts.

[00:48:25]Christina: [00:48:25] that’s annoying too. And I also see you kind of in our notes that there’s, they just have something like Ruby

[00:48:29] Brett: [00:48:29] Wow. Yeah. So I haven’t figured out what happened there. Uh, like slight, slight Ruby version bump, but every time I, I do like pristine installs of my hundreds of gyms to update them. And every time I get it and it, like, I can run a script and it gives me no warnings. The next time I log in, I get 20 to 30, uh, gem warnings.

[00:48:53] They don’t stop my scripts from running, but they, they require that I run gem pristine [00:49:00] to, uh, kind of rebuild all of the gyms from source. And I have not figured out how to actually make it stick. And I. Like there’s no, no explanation for it. And I don’t, it could be something with my own Ruby environment.

[00:49:16] I use RVM. I have like four different versions of Ruby running, but if I switched to use the system Ruby, I still have this problem and I, I can’t track it down.

[00:49:26]Christina: [00:49:26] yeah, I was going to say to me that the, the, I mean, you’re using RPM, so that. You know, it seems like you’re doing the right thing, but like, to me at this point, I kind of shifted a while ago. I don’t know about you. I stopped using the system libraries and I just moved to Homebrew for everything because I, I got the point that I was like, I can’t rely on any of

[00:49:47] Brett: [00:49:47] but because I write, I write so many scripts that I want to share. And I want to share them with people who have no other reason to run a version manager. Uh, so I always try to make it system [00:50:00] compatible.

[00:50:01] Christina: [00:50:01] No. And I, and I, and I agree with that. I was just, unfortunately, I think that increasingly that’s going to become difficult for people who don’t have some of that insight, because

[00:50:10] Brett: [00:50:10] going to stop bundling, like they

[00:50:12] Christina: [00:50:12] I was going to say they announced that. Yup. That’s what I was saying. There, they, they announced they’re not going to be bundling that Stephanie Moore, and I’m assuming you’re going to have to run the similar thing that you do with like X code, you know, tools now.

[00:50:24] Brett: [00:50:24] Yeah, you’ll have to do the command line, install, command line tools, installer

[00:50:28]Christina: [00:50:28] Exactly. And so like, which is, I think we even talked about this on, on, uh, on a long ago, episode of, of over tired. Like there’s a certain irony there that like windows. Now, if you type in like a Python three in like, like the windows command line, like it takes you to like, there’s a Shem and it takes you to the app store and installs like an official version of Python.

[00:50:54] For you, which, which is like, we, it’s weird to me, that windows is, is going in the [00:51:00] opposite direction. Whereas like Mac is, you know, making it harder for some of those things to be installed and to use, you know, like they’re really kind of going out of their way to be like now where we don’t care about built-in system libraries anymore.

[00:51:15] Um, whereas like windows is weirdly for non-Windows libraries. Like things like Python, like they’re like, no, we’re, we’re going to make it even easier for you to. Have this installed in a good

[00:51:25] Brett: [00:51:25] speaking of windows command line, we promised to talk about windows terminal, but, but. First, we’re going to nerd out about, uh, um, remote HQ. Cause we have two sponsors today. Cause that’s how popular this show has become. We are a two sponsor show now. So. We talked about remote eight HQ, uh, previously, uh, they empower teams to work together as if they were in the same room and they do this with stuff like, uh, you can load up a shared web browser [00:52:00] and it, it like runs in a VM and everyone can.

[00:52:03] Take turns controlling it, or, you know, you could try all controlling it at once. Uh, I have not had enough people to make that go disastrously wrong yet, but the idea is that you can take turns going through whatever kind of web based application or if you’re sharing a web design even, um, Any website becomes instantly collaborative and multiple people can click, scroll and type.

[00:52:26] If I were to do the actual read, um, you can mix and match a bunch of different apps on the screen at any given time, and you can minimize them off to the sidebar. So you can have, uh, like Google docs, Dropbox share Trello board all while still being able to see video of your teammates. Um, you can customize every room by adding more apps to it.

[00:52:47] And the layout is super flexible for every meeting’s unique needs. Emphasize an important document, focus on faces, or just keep, watch over it all. Um, they just added session recording. So when you [00:53:00] set up your meeting room and you have all your apps ready and you’re ready to start a presentation, uh, you can record that and all of your.

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[00:54:42]Christina: [00:54:42] for sure.

[00:54:44] Brett: [00:54:44] I didn’t involve you in that reader at all.

[00:54:46]Christina: [00:54:46] That’s

[00:54:47] Brett: [00:54:47] We’re we’re, we’re almost at time and I really wanted to hear you talk about windows terminal.

[00:54:52]Christina: [00:54:52] Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, so what does terminal it launched at, or as officially announced at Microsoft build [00:55:00] 2018, I guess, ended officially launched at, um, build, I guess, um, 2019, I wanna say anyway, it’s been out for. Um, it, it was kind of in beta, I think it’s version 1.5 now, but it’s, it’s been out for a couple of years now and it’s really, really good.

[00:55:20] Like, it’s one of those where I think the original trailer Simone to gross for like called it the sexy terminal and was actually really into it. And like, it was one of those things where I knew instantly that it was going to be like the hit of the conference, but I don’t think the marketing people knew, like, I think that

[00:55:37] Brett: [00:55:37] who would assume that? Yeah.

[00:55:39] Christina: [00:55:39] Right.

[00:55:39] Well, because exactly I’m like it’s a developer conference. This is going to be a big breakout thing. Uh, but the, the team has worked behind it. I think I talked about this last week when I, you know, trolled the team with my pull request. Um, Oh, by feature requests rather, uh, w adding stories to it. The, uh, the impetus was really to kind of create an [00:56:00] item to, for windows.

[00:56:02] And, and that’s really kind of been their goal. And what it basically is is that it’s, you know, a brand new, um, shell that brings all the windows shelves together. So you have your WSL or windows subsystem for Linux, um, or, you know, um, uh, shell. So like your bass sheller is Z a Z shell or whatever show you’re using, um, with your, your WSL.

[00:56:25] Install, uh, PowerShell and, uh, the traditional command line all in one place. There’s also, if you want it to use like Azure’s, uh, cloud shell to remote access Azure stuff, like that’s there too, which is also, uh, a bash, um, instance in most cases, but it’s all lives in one place and you can have different, you can have multiple tabs, you can have different environments, um, you know, Per thing.

[00:56:48] Um, there are a lot of different settings you can kind of, uh, you know, get in on. Um, and, and they’ve really kind of going out of their way to do, to make it. As flexible as [00:57:00] possible. And it’s really awesome. I have to say, like, it’s become my favorite way to do with anything from the command line, from a windows perspective, because you don’t have to, because with WSL, you don’t have to deal with Cygwin or anything like that.

[00:57:12] You know, you, you can have like your bash utilities and all of your, you know, Linux stuff, but also interface with. Um, you know, your windows step two. So if you’re in a, uh, a windows app, like, like a visual studio code, you can use the remote extension to be accessing everything from the WSL side and actually be using the native windows app, but be using, you know, bash commands to, um, and utilities to, um, you know, deal with, with any of your, you know, Linux server stuff, um, all, all in like the same interface.

[00:57:44] So. I don’t know, I’m a huge fan of, of when it was terminal. It’s really kind of opened up my eyes to, um, like you can tell that people are, I mean, I don’t know if I could ever make windows, my, my full-time operating system, but this is one [00:58:00] of those things that definitely. I think makes it a lot more palatable for a lot more people.

[00:58:04] And they have, you know, various modes where if you want to have tiled mode, for instance, to, you know, and different themes for, for different shelves or different profiles, you can do that. You can have custom actions if you want to. Um, you know, so you have like, If you want a specific keyboard shortcut, you can change it to whatever you prefer.

[00:58:22] Uh, you know, ABI there, they use like GPU accelerated text rendering. So the tech stuff looks really good. Uh, background image support. If you want to make things look really sexy and really like pimp things out. I’m a big

[00:58:36] Brett: [00:58:36] Hmm. Nice. I remember. But the terminals I used to run in Linux back in the nineties, uh, those background images were a big deal.

[00:58:46]Christina: [00:58:46] no, that’s exactly it. And that’s kind of coming back again. I actually did a session at Microsoft ignite 2019 called temp, uh, put my terminal, which was all about how you can, and I believe I use like a Taylor Swift image as my

[00:58:59] Brett: [00:58:59] Of course you did. [00:59:00] Hey, we, we like, we have minutes left in the show and you managed to get Taylor Swift in.

[00:59:05] Christina: [00:59:05] I know, I know,

[00:59:08] Brett: [00:59:08] I don’t know.

[00:59:09] Christina: [00:59:09] the pain support is really

[00:59:10] Brett: [00:59:10] I don’t know when the last time you used I term too, was, um, it’s gotten, yeah. Okay. It’s gotten insane with the number of options and, and tools and customization. It has. So I would guess not having used it.

[00:59:24] I would guess windows terminal has some catching up to do, but also like I term two is almost so, so insane now that like I would say I use actively maybe 20% of its total feature set these days.

[00:59:41]Christina: [00:59:41] right. I’m I’m the same way. And it’s true. It does have some catching up to do for some of that stuff. But the fact that it is like, again, like that’s their goal, right? Like, it’s not, like they’re saying we’re going to be, you know, as good as this. They’re more like, this is, this is what we’re aspiring towards.

[00:59:57] I think. Is is a good thing. [01:00:00] Um

[01:00:00] Brett: [01:00:00] have I term to switch my. Uh, like color theme and change background color when it detects that I’ve, uh, SSH into different servers. So I can have a different color for every server I’m currently SSH into. And that’s nuts.

[01:00:18]Christina: [01:00:18] yeah. Yeah. I agree. I agree. Um, there’s also, I think we might’ve talked about this at one point, but they, they did create a new font. That’s open source, but specifically for the terminal called Cascadia code, which is, which is really, which is a really, really good motto space spot.

[01:00:33] Brett: [01:00:33] I do love a good monospace font.

[01:00:36] Christina: [01:00:36] and they have, they have a version with both, uh, ligatures and without, and, um, yeah, and, and that’s, that’s pretty cool.

[01:00:44] They also like basically, you know, made it easy so that if you want to add like the power line, you know, stuff to it, you can. Um, so like the code ligature, the code variant has like ushers and then the motto variant, um, doesn’t have them, but, but it’s open source and it’s, it’s really nice. I also [01:01:00] love a good monospace font, but they created a, a font specifically for the terminal.

[01:01:03] Brett: [01:01:03] it called again?

[01:01:04] Christina: [01:01:04] open Cascadia.

[01:01:07]Brett: [01:01:07] All right. I will, uh, I will both link that and download it. That sounds exciting. Um, have you ever seen a font called Atkinson hyper legible

[01:01:17]Christina: [01:01:17] No, I

[01:01:18] Brett: [01:01:18] it out? I’ll link that one as well. It is, uh, a very kind of basic looking font designed like with a dyslexia in mind, but not like, like, uh, W what is that? There’s a open dyslexic like that one.

[01:01:35] It’s a, that one’s a funny looking font designed to like, keep your eye weighted to the, the line itself. But this one is just a super, like the way they shaped all the letters and everything is designed to be what, like it says hyper legible. We’ve embedded it in NBA, ultra as a default font now. Cause we like it so much.

[01:01:56]Christina: [01:01:56] that’s awesome. That’s awesome. Um, I will, I [01:02:00] love good. I mean, we could talk about programming fonts all day. Honestly, that could be a whole

[01:02:04] Brett: [01:02:04] I’m still into, uh, I’m still into, uh, uh, JetBrains, JetBrains, mano. That’s my,

[01:02:10] Christina: [01:02:10] His motto was really good. I liked JetBrains Mondo. I like Cascadia a lot. I obviously like operator the, the, uh, the Hoefler font, uh, that I paid way too much money for. Um, but I liked that one a lot.

[01:02:23] Brett: [01:02:23] yeah. Yeah. That one. That one costs some money.

[01:02:26]Christina: [01:02:26] yeah, it does. I actually, this is, I probably shouldn’t admit this. I think I split the cost with someone.

[01:02:31] I think that would be like, Like split the license

[01:02:34] Brett: [01:02:34] Yeah, I think that’s

[01:02:35] Christina: [01:02:35] Uh, I mean, like I’m not using it in like creating anything, you know what I mean? Like, I’m not like I’m not using it in any of my graphic designs or anything. It’s like, it’s like I’m using this in my, in my text editor or my terminal. Come on.

[01:02:50] Brett: [01:02:50] I can’t see them complaining about that.

[01:02:53] Christina: [01:02:53] Yeah. There’s another good one called dank mano, which I think also costs money, but it’s like $9. So it’s not a lot.

[01:02:59] Brett: [01:02:59] Um, [01:03:00] yeah. All right. Well, it looks like our show notes are going to be half, uh, half mano fonts. So

[01:03:07] Christina: [01:03:07] again, it could be a whole episode of a

[01:03:08] Brett: [01:03:08] it could be, maybe we should avoid that because talking about mano space fonts probably doesn’t make great radio. Unless you can have like really flowery descriptions of monospace fonts,

[01:03:22]Christina: [01:03:22] Yeah, no, it doesn’t really make good radio. You’re right. You’re right. Uh, I mean, I bet somebody could make it work. Like IRA glass could make it work,

[01:03:30] Brett: [01:03:30] if you could do it like wine snaps style and talk about like, it has notes of this and, and the aftertaste and

[01:03:37] Christina: [01:03:37] Uh huh. And enhance of this. Yeah.

[01:03:39] Brett: [01:03:39] yeah. Well, I’ll, I’ll, I’ll see what I can do. I’ll see what I can do.

[01:03:43] Christina: [01:03:43] Okay. Okay.

[01:03:45] Brett: [01:03:45] right. Well, thanks to, uh, to our sponsors this week. And Christina, I’m really sorry about your, your robbery.

[01:03:53]Christina: [01:03:53] Thank you. And I’m very happy about, about bod. Um, that, that makes me really happy.

[01:03:59] Brett: [01:03:59] yeah, [01:04:00] stay tuned for more pictures,

[01:04:01]Christina: [01:04:01] I definitely will. I definitely will. All right, Brett, we’ll get

[01:04:04] Brett: [01:04:04] get some sleep, Christina.