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[00:00:00]Christina: [00:00:00] Welcome back to overtired. Uh, I’m Christina and I’m here with Brett. How are you Brett?

[00:00:06] Brett: [00:00:06] You’re you’re way better at intros than I am. I like, I start the intro and then I just blank because I’m used to doing the like systematic intro where it’s just me. And then I’m like, Oh, I have to incorporate another person into this. And then it comes out all awkward and weird. And we just keep it, like I could go back and rerecord that, but I feel like this show is all about.

[00:00:29]Christina: [00:00:29] is I honestly, I think that people that are our loyal listeners, who’ve been listening to our, like, although we’ve actually been like on a very good schedule, uh, but in very consistent, but. Our listeners who have followed us through the last six years of, um, sporadic recordings. They, I feel like they would be bothered if it were too edited and too professional.

[00:00:56] We have other podcasts for that.

[00:00:58] Brett: [00:00:58] I’ll be honest. Like there are [00:01:00] times that we say things that are so wrong or so offensive that I do edit, like, and I’m sure neither of us goes back and listens to the shows. So you’ve probably never noticed the things that I’ve decided were not for public consumption. Um, But now that we’re recording, uh, this is Tuesday morning.

[00:01:19] We’ll be publishing Wednesday at noon. So I don’t really have time anymore. So whatever happens here happens,

[00:01:28] Christina: [00:01:28] shit.

[00:01:28] Brett: [00:01:28] but we are, we are recording in the morning because we decided maybe we’re actually morning people and, uh, and let’s see what happens.

[00:01:36] Christina: [00:01:36] Yeah, no, I mean, here’s what I’m discovering. So we were recording these on Saturdays and that was going okay. It was going better than I thought it would just be totally honest. I think I only played out like twice and, uh, and we had to reschedule and I sleep most weekends. So. That was actually pretty good, but what I found when we’ve had to record earlier for our schedules, for whatever purposes, [00:02:00] if I have to wake up at five 30 and I hate waking up early, uh, but if I wake up, you know, around five 30, six o’clock so that I can be ready to record this.

[00:02:07] Cause we record this seven, my time I am, I come to the show, I’m like full of ideas. I’m ready to go. My sweets on Twitter are really good. Like when I wake up, I’m like, I should be, I should be a morning person, but I’m not a morning person yet. It’s so much more beneficial. I get so much out of it when I actually wake up early.

[00:02:28] But yeah, no.

[00:02:31]Brett: [00:02:31] Aye. Aye. I don’t know, I like to stay up all night, but it happens more often when I’m manic and, uh, but the hours between like, uh, maybe two and five are definitely my most productive. If I get up, if I sleep well and then get up at, say four 30 or five, I, I need like two hours to actually, um, [00:03:00] be social.

[00:03:01] Like, I’m good. If I get right to work, I can send tweets and everything. But if you try to talk to me until I’ve had like an hour, just kind of sit with the news or whatever I decide to occupy my morning with, um, I’m not, uh, I’m not on the ball. It takes me like 30 seconds to respond to anybody who actually says words to me in the morning.

[00:03:24]Christina: [00:03:24] yeah, I’m kind of the same way. And so that’s, I think why, like, if I can wake up. I kind of get my bearings and tweet about video game nostalgia and other bullshit and kind of, you know, catch up on, on the news and whatever terrible things are happening to the world, then it’s like, I’m, I’m better. And I’m like, okay, I’m, I’m ready to go.

[00:03:46] But I’m also like you, other than the manic part. But I really do love staying up late. Like that’s kind of the Genesis of this show to be totally honest, right? Like it’s over tired. That’s sort of our brand, but [00:04:00] I am recognizing, and I’ve, I’ve noticed this before, but it’s really just becoming clear to me that I think I’d be more productive.

[00:04:06] I’d be healthier. I’d probably be happier if I was able to shift my body clock so that I actually was up early every day, but in a perfect world, I would, you know, probably. Sleep from, I don’t know, 6:00 AM to 11 or 12, you know,

[00:04:26] Brett: [00:04:26] I, uh,

[00:04:28] Christina: [00:04:28] six to one. I don’t know.

[00:04:29] Brett: [00:04:29] my, like, because I don’t have a day job and haven’t for years, um, I kind of, even when I did, I was a remote worker and had a bit of a flexible schedule. Um, I’ve always just let my body decide when to sleep. And my sleep schedule shifts very regularly right now. If left to my own devices, I sleep until like eight in the morning, which is unheard of for me in my life.

[00:04:56] Usually my body clock gets me up around six [00:05:00] and something, something shifted now. I’m, I’m actually sleeping, uh, like from 9:00 PM till 8:00 AM. So I’m getting like 11 hours of sleep.

[00:05:10] Christina: [00:05:10] Yeah, I

[00:05:11] Brett: [00:05:11] apparently I need.

[00:05:13]Christina: [00:05:13] either you need it or it becomes too much. I don’t know. Like we were talking last week about how we all have vitamin D deficiencies and I feel like that’s probably part of it. And I also feel like the lack of social interaction and just being around people in general, as well as just like the fear and trauma happening has impacted all of us.

[00:05:33] Cause I also find myself sleeping more, which is, I think at first it was a good thing. And then I’m like, Oh no, this actually isn’t. I don’t, I don’t need this. So

[00:05:42] Brett: [00:05:42] Yeah, I am definitely like if I sleep 11 hours, then I’m tired all day.

[00:05:48] Christina: [00:05:48] exactly. That’s the thing, like, there’s like a, there’s like a balance. It’s kind of like, I know you don’t drink anymore. I don’t know if you remember this. Cause it’s been a really long time since you drank, but there’s

[00:05:57] Brett: [00:05:57] It’s been a year. Let’s be honest. It’s been a [00:06:00] year.

[00:06:00] Christina: [00:06:00] Okay. So. And I don’t even know, we might’ve talked about this on the pod before, but there’s this thing where you get really drunk and you kind of pass out from exhaustion and then you wake up like three hours later because you got to go to work or you got to go to class or you have to give a presentation in a foreign country, whatever the case may be, not speaking from experience of any of these things she says, um, and you wake up and you just feel like completely like.

[00:06:30] Those three hours were like hardcore sleep. You’re like, man, as long as I’m still not drunk when I wake up, which sometimes is the case, I feel like I can take on the world, you

[00:06:41] Brett: [00:06:41] Yeah, well, my alcohol metabolizes to sugar as you, uh, as you sober up. So you get this, um, uh, very, uh, sugar, sugar driven awakeness, which happens even if you don’t have it, even if you don’t have to get up. If you pass out drunk, you will usually wake [00:07:00] up three to four hours later, uh, feeling quite aware, uh, sometimes with a headache, but often, often after just three to four hours, you’re still a little bit drunk too.

[00:07:10] You still have alcohol in your, in your system. So it, it curves the immediate withdrawal symptoms that you get after a heavy night of drinking.

[00:07:19]Christina: [00:07:19] Makes sense.

[00:07:20] Brett: [00:07:20] See if, if you study alcoholism long enough, You get really good at it. So we promised that we promised to talk about this crazy command line utility called N B,

[00:07:33] Christina: [00:07:33] yes.

[00:07:34] Brett: [00:07:34] which I am pretty sure it stands for like no to Ben a, the, like when in, uh, like news articles or our, uh, academic articles, they put NB and then a note, it means like note, well, But they don’t actually say that anywhere on the page.

[00:07:54] So I’m just making an assumption there.

[00:07:56] Christina: [00:07:56] Yeah, I have no idea. I, I found this, I think that I [00:08:00] saw it on, on hacker news to be totally candid. And which is where I find some cool projects, to be honest. Like I, the, the, the site is actually really, really good as a repository for that, uh, comments, whatever I got into a whole thing yesterday with some people because okay.

[00:08:16] You know, um, YouTube, um, dash DL. Utility. Okay, well, get up, received a DMCA, take down.

[00:08:23] Brett: [00:08:23] Kind of, he was a DMC on the surface, but yes.

[00:08:27] Christina: [00:08:27] yes. I mean, it is, it was about it wasn’t maybe issued correctly or whatever, but, but the, the, the, the TLDR for, you know, listeners who don’t want to get into the nitty gritty of how that whole thing happened was that the repository has been taken down, uh, down, at least for the time being.

[00:08:44] And, um, and frankly, like I love the project, but I was also kind of like you idiots, you, you put the links in the stuff in the test file and I realized you needed this to be there, but could you not have stored the test file [00:09:00] someplace else? Like seriously, like this, this, this just cause honestly this does ruin right?

[00:09:05] Uh, love the arguments for all the reasons why it could be used for non-infringement purposes. Uh, which there are many, however, as I said, like on hacker news, I was like, okay. I get that there not infringing use cases. We can all do that. It’s a really important tool having said all that, it seems really disingenuous to me for everybody to be claiming, Oh, I’ve only used this to download things that I already own, or that are in the public domain or that are, you know, um, you know, creative commons license.

[00:09:34] And I’m like, okay, you’re fucking liars. No, we all use this to infringe. On copyright, we might not be distributed in it. W I might personally think that the laws around that stuff are completely bogus and messed up. I might think the terms of service are complete bullshit, but I know what I’m doing and I’m not distributing it, but I’m like I’m using this to download content that in many cases, explicitly is not meant for me to [00:10:00] download.

[00:10:00] In many cases is not owned by the uploader. And in many cases, like would not, uh, you know, the, the creator wouldn’t be comfortable making available to download and that the service like doesn’t allow you to download easily if they wanted you to do it, they would. So I just made this comment being like, can we all just protect, stop, pretending, like we don’t use this program called YouTube DL to download YouTube videos.

[00:10:27] Like, can we just like. Get rid of that. And of course, everybody in the comments is like, well, no, actually I do only use it for these purposes. And I live in this country. So I’m not beholding to these rules. I’m like, actually you kind of are like that, that doesn’t really mean that you’re still not infringing, just because you live in Russia or wherever.

[00:10:44] Like it’s still a, uh, a us company that it’s, that the stuff is being hosted on. And you’re accessing Khan from a us website. So like, I’m not saying like, nobody’s going to get arrested for any of this anyway, like at most you’d be fine and you’ll be fine for [00:11:00] distribution. Uh, not for, for simply downloading.

[00:11:02] They’re not going to go after anybody. They just want to, you know, try to make this harder to get off the internet. But anyway, that’s my hacker news. Tangent, the comments are terrible, but I find really good projects. So in B

[00:11:13] Brett: [00:11:13] as an aside, as an aside to that tangent as a tangent on that tangent, there’s an app and it’s in set up called Downey. Yeah. Downy is quite good for, uh, we’ll say, gathering video content, um, from just about any.

[00:11:31] Christina: [00:11:31] it, it it’s, it’s, it’s a really good Mac GUI on top of YouTube. DL is basically what it is. Um, and there, there are a couple of other like programs that try to do that. Downey is probably the best that I’ve seen. And I don’t know if he exclusively uses YouTube DL. I think he does. Um, or if he. Add his own stuff to it, but it’s a really, really good app.

[00:11:49] What I like about that one too, is that it has like a, uh, uh, a web browser kind of built in if you need to use, like, do like a Salinium style kind of [00:12:00] like scraping thing for different sites. Yeah.

[00:12:02] Brett: [00:12:02] Yeah. Do you think the, you think the YouTube DL down will affect Downey?

[00:12:07] Christina: [00:12:07] Um, yes. Uh, if, if they, if updates. Okay. It will in the insofar, as it depends on if the YouTube DL dev team like the contributors, if they can find another place to either collaborate privately or on a service that is not hosted in the United States, like some people have mentioned get tea, which I believe is Chinese and, um, uh, some other, uh, services then as long as the binary can be.

[00:12:37] You know, like found it. I think Downey would be fine. The issue is, is the reason that YouTube is updated frequently is that YouTube changes stuff works and that’s what they have to adjust for. So if there are no updates to YouTube DL, then yeah, I do think Downey will be impacted unless Sam, I believe that’s the guy’s name, unless he has been doing his own work and contributions and [00:13:00] understands the intricacies enough that he could patch.

[00:13:02]I kind of doubt that. Um, but I, I don’t know my thought though, is that this is going to be one of those situations. Like we’ve seen with other, you know, uh, tools that are designed for valid reasons. And frankly, even if it’s invalid, I’m still in favor of it where it’s going to be a game of whack-a-mole to try to get it off the internet.

[00:13:24] But as long as the people who are the core contributors, aren’t scared off of contributing. I, I, this isn’t, I mean, get is, is just, you know, by, by nature, it’s, it’s, um, you know, de-centralized and distributed and so it can move to someplace else. Like they’ve already updated their website to have the binaries be directly available to download.

[00:13:45] Um, but obviously any of the issues and the documentation and all that stuff has gone. But, um, yeah, I, and, and who knows maybe, maybe they’ll fight the, the, the take-down notice. I’m not really sure, but.

[00:13:58] Brett: [00:13:58] Well, based on, uh, [00:14:00] some of the lawyer and, and paralegal input on, on, uh, Twitter. I think they have a case for, uh, making an appeal to this, but.

[00:14:11] Christina: [00:14:11] I think, I think they do my fear though. Genuinely is it? It’s the fact that they had the infringing URLs in the test suite. Like that’s the thing that’s going to be. Almost impossible to overcome. And that is a thing that has successfully gotten like sites and companies and other stuff shut down before, because it shows any sort of lack of faith.

[00:14:34] Like you could make these kinds of tenuous kind of arguments. Otherwise when it’s in the test file, that’s. In that repo, that’s really tough. Uh, that said even if GitHub doesn’t host it and doesn’t want to be like, look, we don’t want to take on this liability. We don’t care. And, and get lab would be the same way.

[00:14:51] And like, get lab is basically owned by Google. I, I love it. People try to pretend like they’re independent. It’s like, uh, no. Google [00:15:00] gave them a shitload of money and host all their infrastructure. Uh, so that hardly seems like Google would, would want, you know, to host this thing, that circumvents, um, one of their, their products.

[00:15:14] Uh, but, but get lab also has a as basically the identical DMC, uh, process as GitHub, but they could self hosted on either a self hosted get, um, get lab instance or. Another thing somewhere. Um, and again, like as long as the core developers, aren’t afraid of people going after them. And I don’t actually think there’d be anything that they could be charged with or whatever.

[00:15:39] Then I think it’s just a game of whack-a-mole, but we will wait and see, but sorry, that was, that was a

[00:15:46] Brett: [00:15:46] Yeah, no, I, I extended it. That was partly my fault.

[00:15:50]Christina: [00:15:50] but, but, but, uh, uh, although I’m glad we talked about this because I did actually want to mention the YouTube DL thing. Um, yeah. So in B, when I saw this and [00:16:00] I was like, Holy shit, did Brett make this?

[00:16:05] Because it looked so much like something that you would make.

[00:16:10] Brett: [00:16:10] Here’s here’s the summary and B as a command line, note-taking bookmarking, archiving, and knowledge based application with plain text data storage encryption. Filtering and search, get back versioning and sinking pan doc back conversion global and local notebooks. Excuse me, customizable color themes and sensibility through plugins and more all in a single portable user-friendly script.

[00:16:34] And as I mentioned previously, the whole thing’s a bash script, which is insane to me.

[00:16:39] Christina: [00:16:39] amazing. It’s so good. Like it’s. It’s it’s, it’s really, really nice. And it has like, you know, command line support for visual studio code and VIM and Emacs and, and text made and Mac down and a bunch of other things. Um,

[00:16:54] Brett: [00:16:54] What, and it, it hooks a bunch of well-known command line utilities, uh, [00:17:00] uh, to, to do what it does, but it brings them together in a way that actually makes. A really complete, uh, kind of note-taking and bookmarking system. And it can work with, you can put like MP3 files into your notebook and it will use an appropriate player to preview and, uh, and, and search them by file name and everything.

[00:17:25] So it’s really, it’s Evernote for the command line.

[00:17:29] Christina: [00:17:29] Yeah, exactly. But it kind of made me think about, and I’ve never used org mode. I have to be totally honest here, but I’ve seen like videos and, and we’ve talked before. Like I’ve always been intrigued by it, but I’ve never used it, but it kind of looks like org mode. If it was designed by someone who had good design and since

[00:17:45]Brett: [00:17:45] Yeah. Yeah.

[00:17:48] Christina: [00:17:48] You know, cause that’s the thing it’s, it’s command line, but it’s elegant.

[00:17:52] Like it’s really well done, which is rare. And that’s why I thought of you. Cause I was like, this is the sort of shit that you do. Like you make really [00:18:00] elegant solutions, whether they’re command line or Apple script or, you know, gooey or like whatever, like you’re really thoughtful about the stuff that you build.

[00:18:07]Brett: [00:18:07] And with the help of Penn doc, it can, you can export your, uh, uh, markdown notes as word documents. And like the get versioning is awesome. Like every time you add a note, it’s automatically versioning and, and, uh, keeping repos and your notebooks can be in different locations. So you can sync via Dropbox or whatever you want.

[00:18:32] It’s nuts though. The read me is like a hundred pages long. It’s pretty well written.

[00:18:39] Christina: [00:18:39] It is really well written. Actually. It’s very well written, like, and I think that it’s, I mean, it’s, you know, one person, uh, primarily from what I can tell, and I don’t know, I just, I just saw this and I was just like really, really impressed. I was like, You know what, like, well done, this is awesome.

[00:18:56] There there’s like, you know, plugin support for, for themes and for [00:19:00] some other, you know, um, stuff like, I don’t know, I was excited to show this to you and I’m really glad that you’ve played with it.

[00:19:08]Brett: [00:19:08] Do you want to aside recommendation,

[00:19:11] Christina: [00:19:11] I do

[00:19:12] Brett: [00:19:12] um, have you seen Octa tree, the plugin for Chrome and Firefox?

[00:19:18]Christina: [00:19:18] know.

[00:19:19] Brett: [00:19:19] It gives you a sidebar on any good hub repo that gives you, uh, like tree based navigation. So you can jump between any file in any subdirectory.

[00:19:29] Christina: [00:19:29] Oh, I am adding this to edge right now. Nice.

[00:19:35] Brett: [00:19:35] Oh yeah. It’ll work on edge too. Um, yeah, it is super handy if you’re exploring a GitHub repo and just want to jump from plugin slash Rubo cop YML to. To your test suite or whatever? Um, yeah, this, Oh my God. This, uh, NB has, uh, like 50 test suites in it.

[00:19:58] Christina: [00:19:58] Yeah, no, I’m looking at this now. I just [00:20:00] installed that extension. That’s crazy. And also like looking at like how big, like the, the gym file is even just for, for the, for the documentation.

[00:20:09] Brett: [00:20:09] Okay.

[00:20:09] Christina: [00:20:09] Like it’s actually like it’s, it’s, uh, that’s interesting. Um, that’s cool.

[00:20:15]Brett: [00:20:15] Yeah, the optional dependencies.

[00:20:17] Christina: [00:20:17] Oh my God, that the tests.

[00:20:19]Brett: [00:20:19] But the recommended dependencies are pretty short bat pan dock RG, which is rip grip, a TIG, which is, uh, a good extension. And w 3m. And then there’s a whole list of like also supported ones, but it’s actually a pretty considering everything it does. It’s a pretty small dependency list and it actually works if they’re not really dependencies their recommended, uh, dependencies let’s see required, dependencies are just bash and get an, a text editor.

[00:20:54]Christina: [00:20:54] I love it so much. Like well done too. I think that the main person does is his name [00:21:00] is William melody and a big fan William like nice, nice work. Um, yeah.

[00:21:08] Brett: [00:21:08] Yeah, I guess, I guess that’s enough. Um, uh, raving about it. Anyone who has developed a sudden curiosity or to whom this would be of interest. Uh, check the show notes for a link, uh, to the get hub repo for this it’s, uh, it’s worth checking. Even if you want to use an amazing app like NV ultra for your notes, uh, this is still absolutely worth seeing, uh, worth, worth being in all over.

[00:21:39] Christina: [00:21:39] and, and I mean, it can conceivably, you could set like NV ultra to be like the note app that you would use, like as your text editor in place of the other ones they have. Right.

[00:21:49] Brett: [00:21:49] Um, yes, it would take a little work because envy ultra doesn’t accept. It’s not a text editor. Uh, it, it opens [00:22:00] folders.

[00:22:01] Christina: [00:22:01] okay.

[00:22:01] Brett: [00:22:01] And then at files within folders. So you could have a notebook where NBA ultra was pointed at the same folder, and you could use it to edit your notes, but you can’t, uh, there’s no command line like NBA ultra this file.

[00:22:15] It opens folders

[00:22:17] Christina: [00:22:17] he’s opening a folder and then you’re creating the file from there. So you can’t just like create a file

[00:22:21] Brett: [00:22:21] that that said it does have a URL handler that you can invoke on, uh, directly on files. Within any given notebook. So you could write a CLI to incorporate it. In fact, now that we’ve said this, I probably will.

[00:22:40] Christina: [00:22:40] Yeah. Okay.

[00:22:42] Brett: [00:22:42] So we talked last week about, uh, a charming little show called Ted lasso,

[00:22:49] Christina: [00:22:49] We did.

[00:22:50] Brett: [00:22:50] and I believe you’ve finally, finally caught up with the rest of the world and finished the series.

[00:22:57] Christina: [00:22:57] I have, and in fairness to me, because we [00:23:00] recorded last week’s episode, like four or five days, like before, like went out or whatever. So it was one of those things where I had some, some other time anyway, I watched and I think it was actually two episodes. We talked about it. I watched the first episode. I really liked it.

[00:23:13] Binge watched the whole thing. Right. You could not have been more correct. Best show on TV. I think I even tweeted like that. It was like the only good thing to happen in 2020 best show of the year. Wow. Like I, uh, I like watched it a second time. Like it, it feels that good place hole in my heart.

[00:23:37]Brett: [00:23:37] Yeah. So. Um, the overall, uh, the overall plot, I, I feel like it left a huge opening for a season two, which I’m really hoping for. Uh, I don’t know.

[00:23:51] Christina: [00:23:51] it. They’ve already

[00:23:52] Brett: [00:23:52] Sure. But I’m worried about production, uh, unless you, unless TV shows start creating [00:24:00] a sports league style bubbles, uh, production’s going to be pretty slow.

[00:24:05] There’s a show. There are a couple of shows now that are like zoom based shows. Um, there’s one called staging that did not hook me after the first couple episodes, but there’s another one and I’m forgetting the name of it and I’m forgetting what network it was on. I’ll find it later, but it was basically, uh, a soap, not a soap, like a sitcom, I guess.

[00:24:30] Where all of the characters are connecting over zoom and it’s kind of, they’re like quarantine life in quarantine, which is appropriate. Like we can all relate to that right now. Um,

[00:24:42] Christina: [00:24:42] didn’t. Totally can. It’s just, I don’t know. It’s like, that was a fun episode of modern family when they did that whole thing on, you know, FaceTime and it was fun. I think that when they did do a zoom thing of, of, um, you know, Blackish or whatever like that, it, you know, that’s like fun as a one-off.

[00:24:57] I feel like it is hard to [00:25:00] carry that as a concert, do a whole show because part of the point of television is that you have multiple angles. And, you know what I mean? Like, even if you’re doing just the typical, sit-com where you have like three swing sets and four cameras, you know, you still can cut between those shots.

[00:25:18] So

[00:25:18] Brett: [00:25:18] And I don’t know about everyone else, but while I can heavily relate. To life happening over zoom. I really wandering to escape from life happening over zoom. I w I want to see life as normal.

[00:25:32] Christina: [00:25:32] I was going to say, that’s the secondary thing, right? Is that like, it was fun at first. Maybe not fun, but you’re like, Oh yeah, it’s just like us. And now I’m like, yeah, I don’t want to be reminded of this reality anymore. So yeah. I mean, that’s a good point.

[00:25:44] They have renewed Ted lasso. I have a feeling that it’s been successful enough and that, um, as long as, I mean, what are people going to do? Like. I get it, as long as they’re paying out their contracts and this doesn’t, if this isn’t go on like [00:26:00] indefinitely, I don’t feel like it should be at risk, especially since they film in a country that well, not doing super great is doing better than we are in the United States.

[00:26:11] So that’s at least, you know, kind of a heads-up. I think the other thing is I feel like they held it back because the show clearly was filmed before the iPhone. Um, 10 S max, it even came out because, because of the phones they were using, they were not using like the latest phones. So I like the iPhone 11.

[00:26:33] They weren’t using those. So I feel like, so it was filmed sometime in 2019, but before the new phones came out, so. I felt it felt to me like maybe they decided to hold it back, knowing that, okay. It might be another year before we can release more episodes. So I mean, if that’s the case, like, you know, they released it in August, 2020, if they’re able to get back in production before August of [00:27:00] 2021.

[00:27:01]Then that would, that would align with what they want to do. But yeah, no, I, I, I know we’d talked about it before, but I just, I watched the whole thing. I watched it again. It’s a really, really good show. And one of the, I read some stuff about it and it was really interesting. No, because it was based on these, these NBC commercials, which we talked about and.

[00:27:26] There’s no reason why the show should have worked and should be as good as it was. Cause like, you know, I read something that compared they’re like talking about how there was a sitcom and it’s true. It was called caveman based on those, those Geico caveman ads, like so easy, a caveman could do it like ABC, actually, I believe it was ABC.

[00:27:44] Maybe it was Fox, you know? Commissioned a sitcom. They only aired two episodes. I think it was terrible. And it was like, why would you, you know, because you’re like, why would you make a TV show based on an ad? Like, why would you do that? And, [00:28:00] and Ted lasso is so easily could have been, that is so easily could have been like, okay, there’s kind of one-off joke thing.

[00:28:06] And just, there’s no way that this can be sustainable. Right. But it pivoted, it, it like went to the left when you were expecting it to go in another way, by making the character really earnest and good and making the characters really complex in ways that you didn’t expect. And I don’t know, it’s one of the few bright spots that, uh, that I think has happened this year.

[00:28:31] And so I thank you for introducing me to it. And, uh, for any of the listeners who haven’t seen it. It’s definitely worth it. I mean, I would spend the $5 just for a month of Apple TV, plus just to binge it, uh, if you can’t find it other ways, but I mean, to me, it’s like shows like that. Like if Apple TV plus can continue to have enough shows like that in the morning show and some other things, I think that they like will [00:29:00] be able to make the case that it’s worth what they’re charging for it.

[00:29:03]Brett: [00:29:03] Well, and that was our new segment. Uh Christina’s must watch TV. Do you do, you know, do, Oh, first of all, uh, my filler TV show for the last week has been Frazier. Like the w the one that I watched when I just need a half hour show and then off to bed, Frasier has held up surprisingly well, like, like for a while I was trying how I met your mother.

[00:29:28] That show did not hold up.

[00:29:30] Christina: [00:29:30] we were talking about that. It is problematic. It

[00:29:33] Brett: [00:29:33] altogether, too much rape in that show. Um, but, but Frazier it’s, as funny as it ever was, I’m still laughing out loud and, uh, it’s, it’s a little bit hilarious to see all the in the coffee house, all the nineties, like grunge aesthetic, but no, it’s still, it’s still stupid, funny, but.

[00:29:54] Do you know what the most effective, this is? Personal opinion. The most effective [00:30:00] ad campaign on TV right now is

[00:30:02]Christina: [00:30:02] uh, no

[00:30:04]Brett: [00:30:04] mutual. They they’re they’re stupid ads like they’re stupid ads. Yes. But you get this song stuck in your head. So you remember you remember this stupid ad? Uh, that they’re, they’re funny.

[00:30:18] I’m not gonna lie. I, I, they crack me up a little bit. But, uh, but then they make you shake your head because you laughed at something so dumb, but then the jingle is perfect. Like the most addictive jingle since like state farm. Um,

[00:30:35] Christina: [00:30:35] ha ha. Well, okay. Have you ever heard the Seleno and Barnes a jingle?

[00:30:40] Brett: [00:30:40] have not.

[00:30:42] Christina: [00:30:42] Okay. I guess it’s just like a, a tri-state area thing, but there are these lawyers, um, SNL even did it. They they’ve, uh, since their partnership broke up and actually one of the guys just died, like in a plane crash, I was really sad, but they had this, this as Lino and Barnes injury attorneys, [00:31:00] 108, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight. And, and, but they like run those ads in New York, like all the time. And so, but it’s, but it’s, it’s, it’s just kinda like the Liberty thing, like you’re exactly right. It’s it’s like, or the state farm ads, you know, like a good neighbor state farm, like it’s just one of those jingles that we’ll never, uh, get out of your head.

[00:31:19] And like the fact that they, like, you know, Seleno and Barnes in Jovia tourneys 188, eight, eight, eight, eight. And it’s just like,

[00:31:28] Brett: [00:31:28] Well, first of all, they got the, they got the perfect phone number.

[00:31:31] Christina: [00:31:31] Oh, yeah, no, they paid, I think, cause they eventually got one eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight. And they spent like, I spent like a couple million dollars on it.

[00:31:39] Brett: [00:31:39] Your ad campaign could be like, just dial eight.

[00:31:42] Christina: [00:31:42] basically I think that’s what they were really kind of wanting to do. Um, I’m going to have a link, uh, we’ll put in the show notes that New York magazine wrote this incredible story about. The breakup of, um, the new York’s, uh, it’s called, um, injured, bruised egos, gobs of money, and the [00:32:00] bitter feud that took down Seleno and Barnes new York’s absurdly ubiquitous accident law firm.

[00:32:05] And this was written like, I don’t know, a week or two before. Uh, one of the guys died in, uh, in, in, uh, a plane crash that he was like piloting, which is really sad. Um, but because when they announced that they were breaking up, like, New York people. Like we freaked out because we were like, Oh my God, how Selena and Barnes can’t break.

[00:32:26] It was, it was like when, uh, um, you know, um, uh Hoefler and, and freer Jones broke up. It was like one of those types of moments. And, um, anyway, but the article. In New York mag, it’s fantastic. Uh, highly recommended for anybody to read. Also I will once again, give the shout out to my favorite service that I have no affiliation with.

[00:32:46] Well, I wish I did called autumn, which the New York times now owns, but, uh, I was a subscriber of long before that, which does long form. And now some shorter form, like, like news articles and from magazines and [00:33:00] newspapers read by professional narrators. So it’s, uh, like you have the best. Like audio book readers, reading the articles and they read the, um, this particular piece and it’s like an hour long.

[00:33:13] Listen. It’s really good.

[00:33:15] Brett: [00:33:15] All right.

[00:33:15] Christina: [00:33:15] Um, so

[00:33:17]Brett: [00:33:17] Awesome. Um, yeah, we should have a segment on our favorite commercials because I feel like when our least favorite I’m so sick of progressive ads.

[00:33:26] Christina: [00:33:26] Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I, I, I, okay. Here’s the thing though, like, I cause I’ve noticed this over the years, like the insurance industry is kind of what keeps is like sort of what

[00:33:36] Brett: [00:33:36] Totally, totally. Yep.

[00:33:38] Christina: [00:33:38] Like, like, like, cause we were talking about

[00:33:40] Brett: [00:33:40] Everything we’ve mentioned and farmer’s insurance and progress it. Yeah,

[00:33:44] Christina: [00:33:44] We are farmers. Don’t also agree. Shingle,

[00:33:47] Brett: [00:33:47] it is. It is. But it’s got one too many debt does for me to ever really remember it.

[00:33:54]Christina: [00:33:54] yeah, you’re right. But, but it’s still, we are farmers. Yeah. But, but like that’s good. Uh, what [00:34:00] was the, what was the one that had, uh, that had ma that had mayhem? Um,

[00:34:05] Brett: [00:34:05] who was that?

[00:34:06] Christina: [00:34:06] that’s Ryan, um, uh,

[00:34:08] Brett: [00:34:08] I love that actor.

[00:34:10] Christina: [00:34:10] Yeah. Yeah. Meet you. Uh, Dean winter, Dean winter is his name

[00:34:13] Brett: [00:34:13] Yeah. I don’t remember which, but it was again insurance

[00:34:17] Christina: [00:34:17] Yeah. Uh, yeah, Dean winter mayhem. I’m

[00:34:20] Brett: [00:34:20] and then Aflac.

[00:34:22] Christina: [00:34:22] yeah, Aflac, the duck, um, Allstate was,

[00:34:26] Brett: [00:34:26] Yeah. Yeah. And what’s in your wallet. Like that was, that was a great campaign. Anyway.

[00:34:33] Christina: [00:34:33] yeah. It is. It is, it is interesting, right? Like, Oh, in flow, we can’t, we can’t like talk about these things without like,

[00:34:40] Brett: [00:34:40] Has run her course. She was amazing. She was possibly the most iconic

[00:34:46] Christina: [00:34:46] a great, she has totally run her, her course. I could not agree with you more, but I do still have to give her a shout out because like she gave us many, many years of good ads, like way more ads than, than she ever should have. [00:35:00] To be totally honest, like at this point we’re, we’re like 15 years in like, okay. She’s, it’s, it’s it’s bad, but it was very good for way longer than it

[00:35:11] Brett: [00:35:11] Well, it’s funny that a lot, these campaigns are at a point where they’re almost becoming meadow. Like they are referencing. How old their characters are the Aflac duck, the Geico gecko, uh, flow, uh, the what’s in your wallet guy. Like they’re making references to their own, uh, kind of ubiquity in their commercials now.

[00:35:35] And very few of them are really like progressive is trying to expand their cast, but it’s not, they’re not coming up with another flow. It’s not happening yet.

[00:35:48] Christina: [00:35:48] Yeah, no, I, I think that’s interesting and I wonder why. Well,

[00:35:52] Brett: [00:35:52] I do like this, go ahead. Sorry.

[00:35:54] Christina: [00:35:54] no going,

[00:35:55] Brett: [00:35:55] I was going to say, I do like the new at and T girl.

[00:35:58] Christina: [00:35:58] I like the new at and T [00:36:00] girl as well. She’s really good. She’s been like the first person in a long time. That’s been a thing. Although the way that she gets harassed online is disturbing. Uh, she, she’s not online. To be clear, which is incredibly smart of her. Like stay off the internet at and T girl, like do not go online, but no, but I like her quite a bit.

[00:36:19] No, but I was thinking like, why are people not doing this? And I have to think is the same reason why we keep seeing the same franchises rebooted over and over again. And we don’t really see much original content. I think that, uh, creatives are just really risk averse and I can understand it. To some degree, although I don’t agree with it, like with movies and television, especially as the economics of those things become like, the pressure becomes so high that you’re like, okay, I have to have this return.

[00:36:48] I have to do this and that. So just go with the known quantity rather than trying something new that could fail. But with advertisements, you would think that that would give you some [00:37:00] slight. Amount of, of more like leeway to at least experiment. But I guess not, I guess they’re going, they’re dealing with the same kind of struggles.

[00:37:07] And so you just see that the same campaigns continuing on and on, but I would like to see new blood, you know, happening. Cause we know we have good creative people out there. Like people are doing funny shit all the time,

[00:37:21] Brett: [00:37:21] this is what I love about the emo and the Liberty ads is it is it’s a brand new, fresh campaign. Granted, they’re not as old as well. I don’t know how old Liberty is, but I don’t recall seeing their ads previously. Um,

[00:37:36] Christina: [00:37:36] Well, yeah. Well, that’s a good point. They, um, there’s are definitely much more like. Uh, fresh right now. And they’ve had that, that theme for a long time, but this is like a totally different approach for them. Like this seemed, I would, I would need to research this because I don’t want to say definitively, but I feel like whatever ad agency they work on with this campaign and going back to, however long they’ve been working with them [00:38:00] is distinctly different than whoever was handling their ads beforehand.

[00:38:03] Brett: [00:38:03] well, and they’ve branded yellow to the point where. When I see yellow in my head, it goes Liberty, Liberty, Liberty, Liberty, um, like in the, in the commercials, there’s just, everything is yellow too, to an extent that it’s almost so ubiquitous. You don’t notice it, but like the car will be yellow. The hat will be yellow or the there’ll be yellow in the, uh, street crosswalk.

[00:38:29] And just, and then it ends with a solid yellow screen. And even though even the ones that they shoot. On the like pier in New York, it it’s, everything in your memory becomes yellow. And that is that’s like H and R block green, like to really own a color like that is

[00:38:48] Christina: [00:38:48] or totally, or, or a magenta T-Mobile magenta, which they have trademarked, uh, But, yeah. And now, now you’re seeing yellow all it. Can I just have the Coldplay song,

[00:38:59][00:39:00] Brett: [00:38:59] It’s all yellow.

[00:39:01] Christina: [00:39:01] Exactly. Actually that would be C they should license that they should like, well, they wouldn’t pump actually, you know what?

[00:39:08] Coldplay might license that to them. They might, they might be like, yeah, we’ll take the money, but, but Coldplay wouldn’t, they could get a cover.

[00:39:14] Brett: [00:39:14] If they ever do a documentary on the P tapes for Trump? I know the perfect soundtrack.

[00:39:22]Christina: [00:39:22] Okay. Yeah. And actually that, I think Chris, uh, Chris Martin would totally be like, yeah, it’s cool.

[00:39:27] Brett: [00:39:27] Yup. That’s that’s fair use.

[00:39:30] Christina: [00:39:30] Yeah. I think, I think he’d be like, Oh yeah, I will. I will absolutely let you license this. No problem. I’ll waive my fee.

[00:39:37] Brett: [00:39:37] so speaking of TV, but without commercials, uh, HBO has a series called raised by wolves, and I know you haven’t seen it yet.

[00:39:49] Christina: [00:39:49] No, I haven’t. But you told me you were going to tell me about

[00:39:51] Brett: [00:39:51] But it is some good Saifai it’s uh, the premise is, uh, it’s it’s the end of the world. Uh, it’s a [00:40:00] war that the earth has devolved into a war between the theist and the atheist. Uh, the division is, is religious and the atheist, the theist send off an arc, uh, to find a new world.

[00:40:15] That they can settle and, and, uh, escape the quickly, uh, devolving hellscape of earth. And it’s gonna take, take a long time because it’s huge and full of people. And can only go so fast that the atheist take two Androids and like eight embryos and put them in a small, fast shuttle craft and shoot it off to this planet.

[00:40:43] Uh, with the intention of the Androids, being the parents and raising these eight human embryos and recreating the human race from these embryos. And so the story is about, uh, [00:41:00] well, that’s what this story is about. It’s about these two Androids doing their best to recreate humanity. Meanwhile, the theist do show up.

[00:41:10] They eventually make it to this planet. And, uh, it is bizarre. It is not a, a plot that has been beaten to death, uh, as far as, uh, apocalyptic, uh, themes go and it, yeah, no, it kept me, it kept me hooked the whole time. It’s definitely worth a watch.

[00:41:35] Christina: [00:41:35] okay. I will watch it. Um, I’m looking this up right now. Uh, Ridley Scott actually directed the first two

[00:41:40] Brett: [00:41:40] Which makes perfect sense when you see it.

[00:41:42] Christina: [00:41:42] totally, and that’s actually really impressive that they were able to get him for, cause this is an HBO max show, which is not the same as an

[00:41:49] Brett: [00:41:49] Yes. Correct.

[00:41:50] Christina: [00:41:50] So I’m actually impressed that really Scott would direct like the two episodes of an HBO max show.

[00:41:55] And then it stars the guy from biking’s who is super hot. [00:42:00] So, um, cool. All right. I will, I will watch this, but that sounds good,

[00:42:05] Brett: [00:42:05] Oh the, yeah, the, the leader of the, uh, theist group, uh, or he becomes the leader is the guy from Vikings.

[00:42:14] Christina: [00:42:14] nice. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Uh, Marcus, um, Or Kayla or whatever. I don’t know. I’m just reading off the Wikipedia page right now, but I’m trying not to read too much either because you know, Wikipedia will spoil every freaking detail for you. Um, okay. So I will watch that. Uh, I, I like the idea of that the Val, uh, ended last week

[00:42:36] Brett: [00:42:36] Oh, I didn’t catch the last episode yet.

[00:42:38] Christina: [00:42:38] it’s really good, but here’s the best part.

[00:42:40] We’re going to get more.

[00:42:42] Brett: [00:42:42] Oh, sweet. I mean also, also that’s scary that there’s more to tell, but.

[00:42:47] Christina: [00:42:47] Yeah, well, that’s the thing, I guess, that what happened is that they were filming people. I get the sentencing and I guess they have some stuff, you know, like there it ends. And then like they have a preview, I guess, for coming in 2021 where they have like [00:43:00] a jailhouse phone call with Keith. And I just, it was like, after you’d watched like this really emotional ending. I was just like, Holy shit. I was excited. I was like, Holy shit. There’s more, um, they’re saying like, you know, part two or something like that. And, uh, so that’s, that’s exciting. Um, so that’ll be coming sometime in 2021,

[00:43:18] Brett: [00:43:18] Did she,

[00:43:19]Christina: [00:43:19] started going.

[00:43:20] Brett: [00:43:20] no, you go ahead. Cause I’m

[00:43:22] Christina: [00:43:22] I was done.

[00:43:23] Brett: [00:43:23] uh, did you watch the staircase?

[00:43:25] Christina: [00:43:25] Yes. I loved the staircase.

[00:43:26] Brett: [00:43:26] haven’t finished it yet, but I’m, it’s one of those shows. If anyone hasn’t seen it and you were a fan of like making a murderer, uh,

[00:43:36] Christina: [00:43:36] OGE of that. It’s like the OGE cereal. It actually came out a channel four in, in the UK, I believe. And it was IFC in the United States. Did it in 2004, I believe, which was when I first saw it and then Netflix and in a bind the rights and producing additional episodes. But the case is from 2001. [00:44:00] Yeah, it’s, it’s, it’s a, it’s a Scott Peterson, but a different, or, uh, first name isn’t Scott, but his last name is Pearson, but it’s, you know, not related to Scott Peterson, that was the case that took over everybody’s imagination. But it, yeah, it’s like the OG serial or making a murderer. Sorry, go on

[00:44:15] Brett: [00:44:15] Well, it’s, it’s frustrating in that way that like every episode, which is true of all of the like serial and making him, or every episode flips you’re. Your guests. You’re like, Oh, he totally did it. Oh, no, there’s no way he could have done it. Oh no, I think he did do it. And it’s this, like, it’s the kind of thing that makes me want to just read the ending.

[00:44:39] Like I get tired of being flipped back and forth, but at the same time, it’s entertaining and, and it makes for a good serial production.

[00:44:48] Christina: [00:44:48] Yeah, no, totally. Well, so the interesting thing with this one, cause, uh, is Michael Peterson was the guy. Um, and, and what was interesting is that it was a, it was a French television mini series. Uh, it was, uh, although might’ve been on channel [00:45:00] four in the U S but it was, it was made by, by a French, uh, uh, director who documented the trial and then IFC bought it in the U S and that was, that was when I first saw it.

[00:45:09] So I was in college when I first saw it and I was really taken with it because exactly, as you said, like, you don’t know what to believe, and what’s also interesting in the case, and it’s interesting to see because, you know, it took place about 20 years ago at this point. How differently, um, like some of the prejudices and the arguments that the prosecution made about him

[00:45:31] Brett: [00:45:31] About how, how his bisexuality was like a criminal point of view. Yeah.

[00:45:36] Christina: [00:45:36] Yeah, absolutely. I mean, which even then I’m or being enraged and like incense, remember like watching this as like, you know, a sophomore in college and being like really angry that this was something that happened. And this was like on the record and was like part of the discourse and, and was completely fine by this, you know, district attorney.

[00:45:54] And I believe that, that it was like the main da who prosecuted the case. [00:46:00] Um, but now. I, I do wonder even in the South, because I think this was like in North Carolina or something. I do wonder if this would have been this sort of thing, like where if they would have been that willing to, um, Go that hard on, you know, he’s bisexual, therefore he must’ve killed his wife because she, she must not have been able, she must not have been able to deal with that aspect of his personality, even though there was no proof that he’d had any sort of affairs or that she had problems with that, or was unaware of it or any of that, you know, like it’s, it’s standing as his motive was, was really, um, Grotesque and homophobic.

[00:46:45] And at which, you know, to me initially also just, you know, the, the police and I w I will say this, the one thing that is that you have to note when you talk about the staircase, is that the filmmakers, although they try to be, he tried to be objective. [00:47:00] He also had full access to the defense attorney and to the defendant and to his family.

[00:47:06] And. Did crafted in a way that would make you ask the question. But ultimately the director was very sympathetic to the defendant, like very sympathetic. And so that’s really the perspective that you’ve see as much doubt as he tries to bring in from other areas, this isn’t going, it is still going to kind of sway you and other things cause it’s like, okay, who do you have access to?

[00:47:27] Who’s going to talk to you. Who’s who are you embedded with? Right. So that has kind of changed stuff, but, um, Yeah, that when serial came out in 2013 or 2014 or whatever year, it was, the serial came out. Uh, it was one of those things that, um, I kept telling people, cause everybody was obsessed with cereal and I was like, you have to watch the staircase.

[00:47:45] You have to watch the staircase. And I don’t even think it was available for streaming then. And then they finally did like another, um, kind of update. Um, and then they. Later developed new episodes for [00:48:00] Netflix after Netflix bought all the rights. But I believe I even subscribed to like Sundance or something Sundance now or something originally.

[00:48:07] So I could get the staircase on streaming. Although I believe I have a DVD set somewhere. I don’t know. Uh, yeah, but that’s, that’s a good stuff, but I agree with you sometimes. You’re just like, all right, can you just tell me what happened? Like, and you just cut to the end.

[00:48:21]Brett: [00:48:21] Yeah. But you know, the journey, you know,

[00:48:25]Christina: [00:48:25] No, I think the hard thing with stuff like, uh, th the staircase is a little bit easier because that has been like adjudicated. And, and the things that happen have happened. And, and I don’t want to like ruin it for anybody, although you can obviously look it up on Wikipedia because it’s all public record and whatnot, but, you know, that’s all been adjudicated, whereas making a murder and, um, um, add-on, uh, say age, you know, from serial, that was also a really good, uh, HBO, like two part, two or three part series, um, about him.

[00:48:57] Like there are these ambiguous questions in [00:49:00] your mind that are not really resolved. And the ultimate resolution of did he, or did he not do it is not answered because, you know, uh, he’s going to, he, he still claims he didn’t, unless something like that changes, you know what I mean? But at least like the legal aspect has been, um, uh, resolved.

[00:49:21] Whereas some of these other cases, I think the fact that they. Aren’t like leaves, not only are there these open questions, but also Abe appeals are pending or whatever. Like you have to like wait for time. And sometimes the, the trials, you know, the trials, the documentaries don’t catch up with that stuff, which is another reason actually, why the staircase is interesting because the filmmaker came back a decade later and shot more stuff to add updates because interesting things that happened on appeal. Uh, which, uh, I think, you know, that was, that, that was certainly more common now, but it, it wasn’t common then for that type of show, I mean, especially something that [00:50:00] was like a French mini series that I believe they did air it on, uh, like. ABC or something at one point, like maybe edited things, but it was a primarily air in the U S on an obscure cable channel.

[00:50:14] That was at least at that time, IFC might be part of basic cable now, but it was, it wasn’t part of basic cable. It wasn’t part of extended cable. It was like, you had to get premium cable. Like you had to like, like, you know what I mean? Like basic, like, you know, premium cable might include HBO. You had to like pay for the other tier to get IFC.

[00:50:31] So very few people it’s like me and a few of my friends. Uh, and like a handful of other people out there probably

[00:50:38] Brett: [00:50:38] Didn’t AMC used to be that way too. I remember having a lot of trouble getting AMC in the past.

[00:50:45] Christina: [00:50:45] Yeah. And a fun fact, AMC, uh, IFC, Sundance, uh, all the same, uh, company,

[00:50:51] Brett: [00:50:51] Yeah, that makes sense. All this CS. So, um, we have, we have more TV we can talk about, but, [00:51:00] uh, we’re coming up to time. So I’m moving some topics to, uh, to next week, including including Queen’s gambit, which if you haven’t watched, you should check out. Um, but we spoke about Casey night things crazy as keyboard, couple of weeks ago.

[00:51:17] And we both assumed because the layout wasn’t Cordy that it must be divorced and we were both wrong. Uh, we were, we were informed in discord, uh, that the layout is actually called the one T H E dash one. And it is a layout design to, uh, put the most commonly used letters and letter combinations, uh, closer to the home row.

[00:51:45] So the word the, which is the most common word in the English language, and I will note this is very specific to English. Um, but the is, is the home road, uh, First three fingers type, uh, [00:52:00] and then everything else is kind of designed around that. Uh, it is not, it is not a layout that you will find. I don’t think a, a ready-made keyboard for, so this is very much a layout for people packing their own keyboard.

[00:52:15] And as another side note, we talked extensively about the, uh, the kind of dials that he had at the pinky location. The location was picked because there were only really two options, uh, for the location on the keyboard that he was building. And, uh, he may have made, uh, other choices given the, uh, the option, but that’s that’s, that was the, uh, the most, uh, beneficial of the choices that they had.

[00:52:48]Christina: [00:52:48] very, very nice. Um, That’s okay. That makes sense. So he didn’t have a lot of options. I had to do that. And then the one keyboard, like custom layout. Well, Casey, [00:53:00] like hardcore props to you for not just learning like a different layout, but what, it sounds like a non-standardized very customized layout that will not exist unless you customize it purposely, like in your settings like this, isn’t going to be one of those things where you can go onto someone else’s system and very easily change the layout.

[00:53:19] Like Dvorak exists, like as a, as a layout option

[00:53:21] Brett: [00:53:21] Say though they say though that they have no trouble switching back to QWERTY, even after learning this, this completely custom layout.

[00:53:32] Christina: [00:53:32] okay. Well,

[00:53:34] Brett: [00:53:34] Which is, which is impressive in and of itself.

[00:53:37] Christina: [00:53:37] I was going to say I’m really impressed by that. And I would like to think that I would have that ability because. I will say this, the, the end of this is nothing in comparison to that. When I go on a windows machine, I am at this point able to at least like use control in place of command, uh, instinctively, um, [00:54:00] and like instinctually.

[00:54:00] Like I can do that, but I do still, like if I use it, uh, an ANSI keyboard or whatever, the, the, the, you know, um, uh, internationally out of

[00:54:10] Brett: [00:54:10] All right. So yeah.

[00:54:12] Christina: [00:54:12] I S I, there you go. Uh, that fucks me up. So I don’t, I would like to think that I would be able to adjust. I kind of doubt it. I mean,

[00:54:22] Brett: [00:54:22] Does it make you curious to try? Does it make you curious to, to sit down with a completely foreign keyboard layout, run a few like typing tutor programs until you get the hang of it and then try switching around?

[00:54:34] Christina: [00:54:34] Yes.

[00:54:35] Brett: [00:54:35] does, it does make me curious, uh, if my, if my brain has room for that, but I use so many keyboard shortcuts.

[00:54:42] Like when I design a keyboard, I always have to set the layout of the little command cluster, uh, like function control, option, and command. I have to change whatever keyboard I’m working on. So that those match what you would find on like the original [00:55:00] Mac keyboard layout I always have because all of my kind of chords, all of the, uh, Multiple command keys or modifier keys, and a letter.

[00:55:12] All of those chords that I’ve taught myself require those keys to be in the location they’re in. Otherwise it is totally hunting pack. I have to look down at the keyboard and it takes multiple hands to hit command control option as a I don’t do well with, uh, with moving even the modifier keys. I don’t even know if I’d be able to switch to a windows machine and, and substitute control.

[00:55:37] Without at least moving it under my thumb.

[00:55:40] Christina: [00:55:40] Yeah, no, I mean, I, and honestly, that’s what I often do is that I swap like, or I’ve done that before. Anyways, I’ve, I’ve, I’ve like moved where the control key is, um, that creates its own set of problems. But, uh, there’s a program called auto hot key, which is pretty remarkable. Uh it’s it’s kind of the Holden of keyboard Maestro, to be honest, it’s kind of a [00:56:00] mashup of it’s like keyboard Maestro meets, uh, basically.

[00:56:04] Yeah. Um, I just pasted into our cause we’re going to talk about this next week. Cause it will arrive by then. But I ordered my friend, Victoria. I Gizmodo. Reviewed a mechanical keyboard called the key Cron, which, uh, apparently this was like the most funded were one of theirs was like the most funded Kickstarter keyboard ever.

[00:56:23] Uh, they’re Chinese made, but apparently they’re very good quality. This is, I got the key Chron K2 version two, which, and I got the one that is, um, hot swappable, meaning that you can actually swap out the switches if you don’t like there. Brand of switches, uh, and it is Bluetooth. It is also wired and it has Mac keys. Yeah. And a function Rose. So it’s, it’s like, it might be like 60, it might be like 70%. I’m not sure, but it’s small. So it’s not like the 60% size, which we’re going to talk about this more. In-depth in like our thoughts on that. [00:57:00] That’s too small for me. I can’t deal with that. Um, I need arrow keys to be totally honest.

[00:57:05] And I don’t like to, I don’t want to substitute my arrow keys, some other place. I know some people love it. I do not think I could do it. I would love your thoughts on

[00:57:13] Brett: [00:57:13] That’s actually, that’s actually a doubt. Like I almost ordered it. This keyboard and I’m like, Oh, but it has arrow keys.

[00:57:20]Christina: [00:57:20] Oh, it was funny. Okay. So, so if you looked at the K four that we’re, no, the keyboard is bigger. They have other options. It might be like the, the case six, um, Let me see, no, the K six also is Eric keys, but they have some models that don’t. So there are, uh, they, they have, uh, they have, they have a lot of different, um, option, uh, keyboards, but I ordered one of these Victoria really liked it.

[00:57:43] It was cheap enough that I was like, you know what? Um, cause mechanical keyboards can be, can get really, really expensive people have given this one good reviews. So I’m, uh, I’m excited to try it out and see. Um, what I think about it. And so I’ll [00:58:00] have a review next episode.

[00:58:02] Brett: [00:58:02] Are they, I think it only shows that one of the, one of the caves is hot swappable only, only the K2.

[00:58:10]Christina: [00:58:10] uh, yeah, only the case actually I think from all future versions are going to be a hot swappable. So I don’t know which ones they have now. Their Reddit is actually really responsive as is apparently their Facebook group, but they ha they’re really responsive in their Reddit. And they’ve told people that their all their future models will be hot swappable.

[00:58:28] Um, and so like the, the K three, which is available for pre-order, I believe that that is automatically hot swappable. Um, yeah. Cause yeah, that, that one is just, it’s basically the same number of keys, but it’s, it’s a slim line. Um, and that one, like you can get the low profile key con optical, which is hot swappable, uh, or you could get one with their gantry on mechanical, um, you know, uh, switches, uh, Gator on, sorry.

[00:58:54] And, uh, clearly I am not like into the whole keyboard thing, but I’m trying.

[00:58:59] Brett: [00:58:59] Yeah.

[00:59:00] [00:58:59] Christina: [00:58:59] one of the, one of the, one of the things I got to, I think you’ll appreciate this. I got these key caps because they make this retro Mac, uh, key cap set that is like with the correct, you know, font and stuff. So I’m going to, I’m going to use those, which will be fun.

[00:59:17] Brett: [00:59:17] All right. Well, when you get this keyboard, we will discuss in more depth and I will explain my aversion to arrow keys and. Uh, it’s funny to me that on the, uh, the images they have, the space bar has printed. It has a, just a horizontal line on it where like, where you would put the like key, uh, letter instead of a letter.

[00:59:41] It just has a space. That’s that’s cute. Um, yes, I look forward to, and, and I am, uh, I’m tempted. Like this looks like a great keyboard and I’m tempted to buy one. I’m going to keep watching it for a while. Uh, the RGB backlight is sold out right now. So I [01:00:00] might wait for that because I’ve never owned an RGB backlit keyboard.

[01:00:05] And as much as I think it would annoy me to death, um, I’m very curious to know, uh, what I would do with, uh, with multiple colors in a backlight.

[01:00:16] Christina: [01:00:16] Yeah, I know that was kind of my thoughts too. Um, I, uh, I got the RGB backlight aluminum one and, uh, all of the white backlight looks good too. So yeah, I’m, I’m curious to play with that. And I got the, I got the Brown switches. Um, that one is sold out right now, but they have the red and the blue ones are available,

[01:00:35] Brett: [01:00:35] I would, I would choose blue. My current keyboard is Brown switches and I just, I wish they were cliquey here, which I never would have said before.

[01:00:43] Christina: [01:00:43] Yeah, that was kinda, my concern is that’s why I got the hot swappable one too. Cause I was like, I don’t know how good these switches will be. And I do have like some really nice switches that I could replace. So, um, yeah, so I’m excited, but uh, the, the review has been good and [01:01:00] people who had the first-generation one really, really liked it.

[01:01:02] And people, the reviews have been really positive, so we’ll see. But it, uh, yeah, it, it arrives later today. So I’m excited about it.

[01:01:10]Brett: [01:01:10] Yo, that was for a hardcore command line, uh, keyboard using nerds who also love television. We nailed it. We hit that Venn diagram perfectly.

[01:01:24] Christina: [01:01:24] Perfectly dead ass center, like perfect place in the middle, like right there.

[01:01:29] Brett: [01:01:29] I’ll, I’ll all a hundred people that, that applies to are going to be super psyched by this episode,

[01:01:35] Christina: [01:01:35] Honestly, honestly, and you know what, but those hundred people, Brett are our people.

[01:01:40] Brett: [01:01:40] truly. And if they’re not in the discord, they should be.

[01:01:43] Christina: [01:01:43] Okay? Yes, yes, yes, yes. And, and we’d love, love your thoughts in the discourse. You like give, give us more, uh, recommendations of keyboards or other stuff. Um, I’m always looking to waste the money on things, although you’ll be proud of me, Brett. I did not spend $300 on a Taylor Swift to guitar.

[01:01:59] Brett: [01:01:59] I [01:02:00] am. Uh, yeah, I I’m, I don’t know if proud of you is the word. I mean, hero hero might be a strong word, but congratulations on your restraint.

[01:02:12] Christina: [01:02:12] Yeah, no, here’s the thing. If it had been a good guitar, I would have, well, you know, just as the novelty, but it was like a really crappy, it’s like $150 guitar that basically has a sticker on it, like a decal. And I’m like, I’m like, no,

[01:02:25] Brett: [01:02:25] Do you play guitar

[01:02:26] Christina: [01:02:26] no,

[01:02:27] Brett: [01:02:27] then, then the restraint is less admirable. If you played guitar and you resisted buying a guitar, that would be one thing. But if you don’t even play guitar, And you resisted buying a guitar unless you’re, unless you were like, you know what? I want to learn guitar, but I only want to learn on something endorsed by Taylor Swift.

[01:02:47] Christina: [01:02:47] See, and that I was kind of a thing. So grant is taking a guitar lessons right now, and I’ve spent, um, pandemic by being bad with my money by buying lots of shoes and streetwear and gadgets. And he’s [01:03:00] been buying guitars. And although I think he stopped now because we don’t have room for them anymore.

[01:03:04] Like I think we have like 10 of them now we have too many. So he’s been taking guitar lessons. Um, and I’ve kind of been like, I would like to play guitar. I mean, maybe this would be something that would encourage me. Uh, and then I looked and I was like, no. And, and also like, She worked with a much better like real guitar company to make like a, a three-quarter like size kind of like baby guitar, like for this, you know, from the, the Taylor guitars temp company or whatever, which, which she’s used for years, which is apparently very high quality.

[01:03:39] And you’d get one of those for like $370 versus this. Really cheap, like my first guitar kind of thing. That’s literally, it’s, it’s the same as like their $150 version, but there’s like a vinyl decal, like all over the cover that looks like the album artwork. Like it’s, it’s it, it was one of those things. I was like, I piss money away, but this just strikes me as cheap [01:04:00] and it doesn’t even look good enough to be like, okay, if I didn’t play this, I just hung this somewhere.

[01:04:04] I was like, but this doesn’t look that cool. Like, so anyway, I was proud of myself though, because you know what. Six weeks ago, I was in the place where I was just like, I’m so stressed out by everything. I’m just going to buy this for the temporary, you know, endorphins that it will give me, but now I feel like I’m in a healthier place and I didn’t do that.

[01:04:28] Brett: [01:04:28] So I just flipped the coin in discord and it said, we’re not talking about Taylor Swift this week, which, uh, Which Dean Johnson, one of our, uh, one of our listeners who does not appreciate our Taylor Swift, uh, our tangents, he will, he will appreciate, uh, that we somehow managed to both talk about Taylor Swift and avoid talking about Taylor Swift.

[01:04:54] Christina: [01:04:54] we did, honestly, it was, it was like a very, very brief aside. It was like 90 seconds.

[01:04:58] Brett: [01:04:58] yeah, you’re welcome, [01:05:00] Dean. Um, All right. Well, that’s, that’s our show for the week. Folks.

[01:05:05]Christina: [01:05:05] that’s it. That’s it. Uh, all right, Brett. Well, get some sleep, buddy.

[01:05:09] Brett: [01:05:09] You too.