208: More Things Not to Talk About at Dinner

The topics in this episode comprise a guide to conversations which should probably be avoided in… most company. I suppose most Overtired episodes do. But this one hits on veganism, religion, politics, and TV. Ok, you can talk about TV at dinner. Be smart about it, though.

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[00:00:00] Brett: [00:00:00] It’s coming. It’s coming. My new stream deck is failing me.

[00:00:04] Soundtrack: [00:00:04] Tired tired, tired.

[00:00:09] Brett: [00:00:09] Welcome to overtired. Uh, I’m Brett Terpstra here with Christina Warren. Hi Christina.

[00:00:14] Christina: [00:00:14] hi, Brett, how are you?

[00:00:16] Brett: [00:00:16] I’m. I’m awesome. I’m better than you. I heard you were, uh, you’re not feeling great.

[00:00:22] Christina: [00:00:22] I’m not feeling great, but I am super happy to be here with you.

[00:00:25] Brett: [00:00:25] Uh, as a result of you not feeling great, we’re actually recording right before we release, which is kind of exciting because we can be super topical and not worry that news is going to change. Well, some of the news we have to talk about honestly, could change between now and tomorrow when I publish. But.

[00:00:46] Christina: [00:00:46] W, but, but, but, but we’re closer. I was going to say like, the thing is, is that if we recorded on Saturday as planned so much of the most topical stuff, they’ve been totally different because every hour it [00:01:00] seems like is, is a, is a new, um, horror slash uh, comedy of errors. I don’t, I don’t know really how to freeze it.

[00:01:08] Brett: [00:01:08] Yeah, that sounds about right. a dumpster on fire floating in a river while the forest around it burns.

[00:01:17] Christina: [00:01:17] And the sky is orange and, uh, yeah. Yeah.

[00:01:22] Brett: [00:01:22] Yeah. Um, so I was going to tell you, just in response to your vegetarian question last time, uh, one thing that did happen. Is after, uh, weeks of intermittent fasting and really not losing much weight at all. Um, going vegetarian had the immediate effect of losing like five pounds.

[00:01:47] Christina: [00:01:47] interesting.

[00:01:48] Brett: [00:01:48] Yeah. Turns out meat is bad.

[00:01:53] No one should eat meat.

[00:01:56] Christina: [00:01:56] Uh, I mean, I don’t think that’s true. Although I think [00:02:00] there are lots of reasons to, to look other sources of protein and whatnot, but I don’t think. I’m not going to take that, like take away from

[00:02:11] Brett: [00:02:11] Chicken. Oh, wait.

[00:02:13] Christina: [00:02:13] see, right. Well, I mean, I did once about meat or beef anyway, because I found out there was like some, a thing called national beef steak month.

[00:02:23] And I was so horrified that like such a thing would exist that I like was like, I’m not eating any beef or whatever for the month. And I became a new mic.

[00:02:33] Brett: [00:02:33] yeah, how’d that go?

[00:02:36] Christina: [00:02:36] uh, I mean, again, not great. Like, I, I, I like had to go to the doctor and like get on pills because I had anemia. Uh, again, that’s probably more of a reflection on my like bad diet in general, but it taught me at the ripe old age of 19 to not be political about my food.

[00:02:56] Brett: [00:02:56] You said I became anemic and I thought you said I became vegan.

[00:03:00] [00:03:00] Christina: [00:03:00] Oh, sorry. Yeah, no, I did not become vegan. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I became anemic and uh, yeah. And, and, but, but I D I did learn a lesson that for me personally, I was like, all right, Christina, just don’t be political about your food

[00:03:14] Brett: [00:03:14] fair enough. Yeah. I’m not, I’m not, yeah, I wouldn’t, I wouldn’t vegetarian for my own health and my own, uh, ecological concerns, but yeah, I’m not, I am of the opinion that. Basically the entire population population of the U S would have to go vegetarian to actually make a real dent. It would have to be enough to get the meat industry itself to change.

[00:03:42] Um, me converting a few of my friends to vegetarian. Isn’t it’s not worth the, uh, it’s like when I was a kid and it was my job to go out and convert all of my friends to Christianity. Uh, ultimately the, the payoff, it doesn’t seem. [00:04:00] You’re not really making a dent in the hoard of people that I was told.

[00:04:03] They’re going to hell like saving one person at a time. Just didn’t really feel like a good return on investment to me.

[00:04:11] Christina: [00:04:11] Well, well, you’re clearly not a good latter day Saint, because

[00:04:15] Brett: [00:04:15] Great way to lose friends though. Have you accepted the Lord? Jesus Christ? Um,

[00:04:22] Christina: [00:04:22] did you seriously do that as a kid? Like,

[00:04:25] Brett: [00:04:25] Oh, yeah. Yeah. I needed to talk to you about something. Have you accepted Jesus as your Lord and savior? It’s really important to me that you do this. Let’s pray. Yeah, that was, that was childhood for me. A lot of stress around that too.

[00:04:39] Christina: [00:04:39] Wow. Yeah. Cause like my, my mom is like religious, but I guess it’s like a personal thing. And like I grew up going to church, but, uh, the whole like, um, missionary thing was never, ever part of like my upbringing, although I wonder if part of it. [00:05:00] It’s interesting. A and I’ve never talked to my mom about this, but I do get the distinct sense that she’s sort of bothered by some missionary practices.

[00:05:08] I don’t want to put words in her mouth because she might disagree with me, but, uh, I always got that sense that that was not something she was down with and be living where I lived and growing up where I grew up, everybody was. Judeo-Christian of some type, right? Like, uh, and I mean, we had not a lot of Muslims, but even then, like it’s Abraham, Abraham ma you know, Abrahamic, whatever.

[00:05:34] Like, so I don’t think that I grew up with a lot of theists or agnostics. Like there might’ve been people who didn’t go to church, but I don’t actually know if I could say that any of the people I grew up with until. You know, like it was in high school or whatever. We’re like, I don’t believe in God.

[00:05:57] Brett: [00:05:57] the thing is when you grow up in [00:06:00] an evangelical church, there’s a very specific criteria for being saved. And for us Catholics were wrong. Catholics. Weren’t going to heaven, Catholics. Weren’t Christians. Like just as an example of, of what evangelical thinking is like.

[00:06:17] Christina: [00:06:17] Oh, no, I know that you okay. You are right. So there were, there were a lot of Southern Baptist, which we were not, and they definitely had that whole saved

[00:06:26] Brett: [00:06:26] Yup. That’s where I started with Southern Baptist.

[00:06:29] Christina: [00:06:29] and that was certainly because I did not grow up that way. I grew up like a Pisco paleon, uh, and, and like Methodist and, uh, Episcopalian, especially is pretty liberal, uh, comparatively

[00:06:44] Brett: [00:06:44] yeah, for sure.

[00:06:45] Christina: [00:06:45] uh, kind of sex, but it was also one of those things that even if I had people.

[00:06:52] Who I was around, who was like, Oh, if you haven’t gone through this, you’re not going to heaven. Like if somebody had said that my Catholic grandmother was not going to [00:07:00] heaven to me, I, as a very small, very religious child would have told them to go fuck themselves. I would have been like, okay, No, you’re not going to have it.

[00:07:09] Like, if you’re going to say that, like, that was just one of those things. Also. I think my mom just, she did because we had these conversations. Cause I was sometimes I think here, like friends of mine have those questions and they’d be like, Oh, if you don’t believe this, you’re not going there. And I would ask her questions and she’d be like, no, like.

[00:07:27] Like God is not going to not let you know someone just because they believe that a slightly different thing into heaven if they’re still a good person. So yeah, I think that, that that’s a, I have to credit my mom for that. Cause I think it could have been very. Different had I had like, just a slightly different familial structure.

[00:07:50] Cause I did grow up religious, but not like that. And then to their immense credit, even though I’m sure it was very painful for them when I was 15. And I was like, I [00:08:00] went from being very religious to being like, you know what? No. I’m not, I’m not, I’m not into this. I don’t believe this. This is not actually something that I’m going to adhere to.

[00:08:12] And yeah. And, um, I might still have some aspects of spirituality, but I have major qualms with other aspects of this, uh, to, to their immense credit. Even though I know that of it’s painful for them, they have not. Like I didn’t get, even then, like, I, it wasn’t one of those things where I was like forced to go to church or I was yelled at, or I was made to feel bad.

[00:08:35] I’m probably I’m thinking because a, I had like other, like emotional stuff going on, but also I think my parents are smart enough to know that, like, I’m not somebody that they could just kind of. Convince in that way, you know what I mean? Like, like they wouldn’t be able to like me, it will reason with me and they won’t be able to yell at me and they’re like, all right.

[00:08:59] If Christine has made this [00:09:00] decision, we’re not going to change her mind by appealing to authority because she’s pretty anti-authoritarianism and will disagree and go even harder just to spite us, which. Would have actually been the case. Right? Like if they had actually gone like hard, been like, Oh, you have to do this or that, like that would have, like, I would have joined some sort of like atheist movement, even if I didn’t believe everything they said and, and gone like way, way, way to the other side, just to spite them.

[00:09:29] Brett: [00:09:29] you would think that that would have been more common with gen X, but it’s actually millennials that started the trend towards, uh, America being less religious. And we’re still the most religious country among developed worlds. But, uh, But there is a trend towards, uh, not just a less religious, but towards atheism, which is in my opinion, a wonderful step for a supposedly educated country to take, but no offense to, uh, to all the religious people [00:10:00] out there.

[00:10:00] Christina: [00:10:00] Well, yeah. And although I would say, I think that if you look at the numbers, I think it’s really, when people say atheism, they really mean agnosticism

[00:10:08] Brett: [00:10:08] Um,

[00:10:09] Christina: [00:10:09] in the United States. I actually do think so.

[00:10:11] Brett: [00:10:11] I, okay.

[00:10:13] Christina: [00:10:13] No, I actually do think so because there are some people who will say that, but. Because we are such a puritanical, like, look, we were founded by Puritans.

[00:10:22] We are a religious country. Like by the way, we were founded in the way that we’ve been done. And our country is much, much, much, much, much younger than the other developed nations. Like historically we just are. That means, I think that, and we have like this wave of American only religions too, which are very young.

[00:10:41] Um, uh, like historically speaking, I do feel like. It’s much like people conflate the two, but they’re different. I do feel like the, if you were to ask a lot of people and maybe I’m wrong on this, but I have read studies on this. I think people conflate the two and I do feel like it is much more difficult for people [00:11:00] to totally separate, especially millennials to separate themselves from st.

[00:11:04] Don’t at all, except that there could be a higher being or a higher focus or controlling. Um, you know, dad, maybe not even a dad, but, but you know, thing out there versus I don’t believe that there’s anything.

[00:11:21] Brett: [00:11:21] remind me, are you Ignacio or atheist?

[00:11:25] Christina: [00:11:25] I don’t know, to be

[00:11:26] Brett: [00:11:26] So you’re agnostic.

[00:11:29] Christina: [00:11:29] Probably, but, but, well, I don’t know, because there’ve been things in my life that I’ve experienced that I can’t explain other ways. And then there are things where I’m like a rational human. So, uh, and I would like to think of myself as quasi intellectuals. So I don’t know, honestly, like it can go either way and you, it’s also interesting because you do also have this rise of people who are millennials who, uh, you know, consider Buddhist teachings.

[00:11:55] But wouldn’t consider themselves to be Buddhist in the religious sense. So, so, [00:12:00] but, but, but see, but, but the thing is, you say, but sure, but that the, to me, that does kind of dictate that like that’s different from being an atheist, because if you really are an atheist, then why would you want to, you know, adhere or practice anything related to Buddhism?

[00:12:17] Even if you’re not like looking at it as a religion.

[00:12:20] Brett: [00:12:20] Every religion has some teachings that are just good, common sense. Um, I was talking to my, uh, my rabbi and actually went to temple and he told me that, um, there are in his congregation, there are atheists that go to temple every week. And they don’t have to believe in a God to find a Judaism, uh, full of wisdom and just good, common sense.

[00:12:52] It’s for, it’s not that atheist. I don’t have a moral code. Like we, we do, we have strong morals and

[00:13:00] [00:13:00] Christina: [00:13:00] No, no. And I’m not saying that what I am going to say though, is that I would actually question whether those people are actually atheist. And the reason I say that is that, and maybe I’m wrong on this and maybe this isn’t how other atheists feel. And if so, like I would like to hear from them, but I’ve always.

[00:13:16] To me anyway, the way I’ve looked at at faith of any type has been, that it’s been about to a certain degree about comfort and about, you know, like there’s, there’s a feeling involved. And I would, I would genuinely question why, like, if someone didn’t get some sort of comfort or some sort of good feeling or have some other sort of reason, um, why somebody who didn’t believe in those things would attend temple.

[00:13:42] Like

[00:13:43] Brett: [00:13:43] because of a congregation. You can get comfort from being in the presence of people who live a similar code to you. Uh, the fellowship of that, you can get comfort from that without believing in a God atheism just means you [00:14:00] don’t believe in a God. And that, and fellowship is where that comfort for religious people tends to come from.

[00:14:07] Uh, there’s a certain, there’s a certain aspect of believing in something higher than myself. Gives me a sense of wellbeing. I’m sure that exists for a lot of people, but for most people, churches are equally about the, the fellowship, uh,

[00:14:24] Christina: [00:14:24] true. That’s true. And, and I mean, honestly, that’s probably one of the reasons why it was easy for me to not go to church and to reject those aspects of it, because I never felt a fellowship in church ever. Um, which is, which is a total, total different from my parents who did feel a fellowship. I never did.

[00:14:41] I always thought they were, I always thought the people at our church we’re kind of assholes. And I was just going to, like, I don’t want to be with you people.

[00:14:47] Brett: [00:14:47] the whole, the whole zoom church thing was really rough on my parents, because for them, like, Being with like minded people every week, multiple times a week, uh, was a really big part of their [00:15:00] life.

[00:15:00] Christina: [00:15:00] yeah. See, I don’t know. It was just so interesting to me. I’m like, I respect that there could be like atheists who don’t believe in any sort of higher power at all who go to be around people. I think mile, I think the reason I struggle with that, I’m not saying that that’s not a thing because you’re clearly telling me that it is.

[00:15:15] I think the reason that I struggle. I guess to understand that is because I couldn’t imagine like willingly spending time every week with people who have very different, like. Views from me in like what I would consider for many people to be like a deep sense. Having said that I’m assuming this is a reform Judaism.

[00:15:39] And so, so that is very different than say if it were Orthodox or even if it were, were even mainline Judaism, right? Like that it’s going to be, it’s going to be very different. So if it’s performed that, I think actually makes sense. That’s much more of a community sort of feel. Straight up then, if you were to talk about a different sort of [00:16:00] sack, like I wouldn’t see, for instance, an atheist, I would, I would be very surprised if you had a, uh, you know, atheist going to a Southern

[00:16:09] Brett: [00:16:09] Oh, Oh, fuck. No, no, but, but an atheist going to a Unitarian church, you can see.

[00:16:15] Christina: [00:16:15] Yeah, totally. And, and in some ways I could even see weirdly like, Pisco paleon, although that’s, it’s, that’s such a, it’s such a weird sect it’s it’s Catholic light is what it’s called, because you have all of like the, the ritual aspects of Catholicism, which mainline Catholicism doesn’t even do anymore.

[00:16:36] But you have like the, the, you know, the, the masses and Latin and you have the, um, you know, just like the, the, yeah. The community, you have the ritual aspect and it’s, it’s. Very certain thing, but then the actual teachings themselves and the politics are very different. Like the whole reason that the church, the Anglican church was formed was because King George or whatever, wanted to get divorced.

[00:16:58] So he had to [00:17:00] start his own like religion to be able to, to get divorced. And so. You can get divorced. Women can be priests. Uh, you can be gay. They will, you know, they were doing same sex unions, you know, 30 years ago. So it’s, it’s very different. And so it’s this weird kind of hodgepodge and then Anglican and Episcopalian are different too, because angle the Anglican church fully rejects all the left wing, what they consider like heresy of the Episcopalian church.

[00:17:28] And you see a lot of stupid for like deeply like. Uh, intolerant views from people who adhere strictly to the Anglican tradition. Um, often in places like Africa, uh, which I, that’s not Africa’s fault. That is the fault of the colonizers. The, you know, people who have gone there to, you know, um, be missionaries and whatnot.

[00:17:51] But anyway, we’re going off on a whole tangent about religion, which is, which is a terrible topic to have a podcast about, to be totally

[00:17:59] Brett: [00:17:59] We’re a [00:18:00] third of the way into our show and religion was not on our bullet list at all. This, this has been fun though.

[00:18:06] Christina: [00:18:06] this has been fun. Okay. So let, let’s talk about things that are on our list because, um, we, we were getting into this because of, of the, the things that are happening right now in the world, which is, uh, you put a great definition, um, from, from Webster’s in, uh, in our show notes. Um, for, uh, for, I think like every everybody’s favorite German phrase, I would say, say Sean Frieda.

[00:18:32] Brett: [00:18:32] yeah. Um, there were, there was a 30000% increase in, uh, searches for the definition of shouting Freida

[00:18:44] Christina: [00:18:44] Oh my God. Okay. That, that actually really depresses me.

[00:18:48] Brett: [00:18:48] and for anyone who still hasn’t Googled it yet, it, uh, it means taking delight in the, um, the misfortune of others and, uh, [00:19:00] enjoyment obtained from the troubles of others. The English word was borrowed from German in the middle of the 19th century in German. It comes from Shodan damage and Freida joy. Um, and no, I, I don’t speak German, so that was probably slaughtered.

[00:19:14] But, uh, but yeah. Uh, so Trump, who, who downplayed coronavirus intentionally the whole time got Corona virus. And, uh, and America, uh, by and large said, well, yeah, yeah, obviously. Yeah. And some people are all thoughts and prayers and some of us don’t have the common decency to give a shit. Um, What happens to him at this point?

[00:19:44] Although I, I shutter to think what would happen to our government in its current state. If, if the president was a 25th amendment or, or, or worse died, um,

[00:19:56] Christina: [00:19:56] right? Yeah, no, I mean, I, I genuinely just [00:20:00] because. It’s funny to be like, Oh, I don’t care. Like what happens? Something like genuinely don’t wish like death or harm on, on anyone. Um, at least. Not maybe if I knew someone or knew of something that personally happened, like that would be a different thing.

[00:20:17] But I do try to, when we talk about moral codes, like, I, I, that is something that I try to like live my life or not, because I think that I’m like in any way, like morally superior better, but just cause I don’t think it’s healthy to have that type of anger, uh, which is growth for me because there have definitely been times in my life when that has not been the case.

[00:20:34] Brett: [00:20:34] See for me, it’s not anger though for me, I consider Trump to be such a dangerous human being that it’s not that I wish death upon him. It’s that I wouldn’t cry if he died.

[00:20:46] Christina: [00:20:46] I mean, look, I’m going to be totally honest. I would not cry either. I’m just saying I’m not going to be tweeting or making public comments to be like, you know, celebrating

[00:20:55] Brett: [00:20:55] just because those are going to come back and bite you eventually

[00:20:59] Christina: [00:20:59] only that, but it’s [00:21:00] just, uh, you

[00:21:00] Brett: [00:21:00] that in common decency.

[00:21:02] Christina: [00:21:02] It’s mostly the common decency thing, but yeah, they could come back and bite you.

[00:21:05] But I mean, there, there certainly been figures and things where I’ve, you know, when I was younger said things and now the reason is it’s like, It’s been through therapy and it’s like a growth thing where for me personally, I’m like, you know what, like this is, this is not healthy. And this doesn’t help me.

[00:21:21] Like this gives that thing more power that said, yeah, we’ll have shot and Freud about it because of course, I think Joe Biden even said, we’re recording this on Tuesday. He said at, uh, with Lester Holt, uh, last night, Uh, he said that he, you know, he was kind of like, yeah, he is responsible for if, like, if you don’t take precautions and if you don’t believe it’s real, if you’re not doing those things, then you’re responsible with what happens, which I think is very true.

[00:21:49] And, and by NASSA said that he wasn’t surprised that that Trump got coronavirus, which is exactly how I feel. And I’m like, yeah, I’m. I mean, if anything, to a certain extent, [00:22:00] it’s almost surprising that it took this long, right? Like I think that the surprising aspect, the, the shot in the reason that there’s the shot in Florida is the timing of all of this.

[00:22:11] Uh, I don’t, you know, I think that some of the conspiracy theories and some of that stuff was disappointing to see, especially on the left, but, uh, I do understand why the initial response from some people was, is this even real? Just because the timing. You know, to be so close to the election to be right after the first debate to be, you know, where we are like just a month before, um, you know, uh, voting, you know, well, some voting has already started in some places

[00:22:40] Brett: [00:22:40] already voted.

[00:22:41] Christina: [00:22:41] um, yeah, my ballot hasn’t come in yet, but like that, you know, that sort of level and that thing, the timing of it is just. It’s so narratively perfect. That if you saw it on a TV show, you would be like, all right, I’m going to buy into this and watch

[00:22:58] Brett: [00:22:58] What, but it would [00:23:00] feel, yeah. I feel like the most obvious, predictable plot twist, it would feel, it would feel lazy on the part of the writers.

[00:23:08] Christina: [00:23:08] Exactly. Exactly. Like you’re like, all right, I’ll buy into this because I want to continue this story, but this, this doesn’t ring true. Although I think everything that’s happened this year does kind of show that truth is stranger than fiction sometimes. And, uh,

[00:23:23] Brett: [00:23:23] it actually is a good cliffhanger though. I have been checking the news more often in the last few days than I have in a long time.

[00:23:32] Christina: [00:23:32] I was going to say, like, so I listened to the New York times podcast, the daily, like they had to do a special edition on Friday after he was diagnosed. Like they had to do a whole special thing. Yeah. Like upending, I think some of their prerecord stuff and, and adding more information, just cause so much news was breaking.

[00:23:49] Brett: [00:23:49] Yeah.

[00:23:50] Christina: [00:23:50] and it’s one of those things where I bet that if you know, the, and they were doing so much reporting through the weekend, um, if it wouldn’t have been an undue burden, you know, on the audio editors, I bet that that’s one [00:24:00] of those things where they probably were, I have no knowledge of this, but there’s a part of me thinks it was like, I bet that there were discussions at some level where they were like, do we, do we do like make a twice a day update on this?

[00:24:12] Cause like, if you go to their website, like they have like, almost like, like it’s breaking news, you know, following the, the trail of how many people have been infected and, and what the status is. And yeah, I was really sick this weekend. But I was still waking up and I was like reading and catching up on like every time I would like kind of fall asleep and I’d wake up and I would see even more like stuff that had broken out.

[00:24:37] I was like, Oh my God.

[00:24:39] Brett: [00:24:39] The, uh, the, the news. If we had recorded Saturday, we would have missed, this is, um, the, the next overly predictable, uh, uh, plot element was he was released from the hospital and on his way out, he tweeted feeling really good. Don’t be afraid of COVID. Don’t let it dominate your [00:25:00] life. We have developed under the Trump administration, some really great drugs and knowledge.

[00:25:05] I feel better than I did 20 years ago. What the fuck is that? He, he he’s completely ignoring that he got millions of dollars worth of the best treatment available. He’s writing to the gills right now.

[00:25:22] Christina: [00:25:22] Yes, he’s weighted to the guilt. Of course he feels great. He’s, he’s, he’s high on, on a dexamethazone and, um, you know, and they’re probably, they probably given him other stuff. I mean, yeah. I have to say, like, this is the thing where I got I’m like angry and I don’t want to turn this into a politics show or whatever, but I get like, Viscerally angry, because first of all, how fucking dare you?

[00:25:44] How fucking dare you. You are president of the United States. And I’m not saying that he shouldn’t receive the best care and the entire

[00:25:51] Brett: [00:25:51] Yeah, that’s fine. We expect that

[00:25:53] Christina: [00:25:53] because of course he should any leader of a developed nation. Absolutely. But to pretend as if the [00:26:00] care that he gets is equivalent of the care that I would get, or the care that you would get is ridiculous and insulting.

[00:26:07] Brett: [00:26:07] And to tell people not to be afraid.

[00:26:10] Christina: [00:26:10] Yes. And also you’re talking about people who don’t have access to healthcare, this, which is most of his base. Like this is the most fucked up thing. Like the, like his base is the, is the base that by and large is, has less healthcare. Like if you actually look at

[00:26:25] Brett: [00:26:25] And, and he’s working on making it even less and, and COVID will count as a preexisting condition. For these people, he wants to remove preexisting condition coverage from

[00:26:36] Christina: [00:26:36] Absolutely. I mean, that’s the thing it’s like, you literally are. Are telling people who don’t have the ability to go to Walter Reed and have, you know, um, the best doctors in the country consulted and the best thing have direct access to all kinds of experimental therapies, whether that’s a good idea. for his health or not like that, that that’s [00:27:00] that’s beside the point fact is that he can call any of those places and get these drugs that are only in trial and get access to them. You and I can’t do that. Even very wealthy people would struggle at some points. I’m guessing like they would need, you need to make a call.

[00:27:15] It wouldn’t be something that their doctor would probably just be able to, to do. It’d be something where it’s like, all right. I’m going to now have to call in a favor with somebody who knows somebody so I can get access to this. You know what I

[00:27:26] Brett: [00:27:26] Yeah, totally.

[00:27:27] Christina: [00:27:27] so, so to me, like how fucking dare you, like, it’s good to just say this and, um, And he’s not even out of the woods yet.

[00:27:36] Like that’s the thing it’s like, people have felt like they’ve been doing better and then it’s turned around. Like the one good thing is that his blood oxygen levels seem to have improved. And that is usually the big indicator with, you know, like. If you’re going to die from it or not, but yeah, congratulations.

[00:27:55] They were able to save him because she’s the president. Like that doesn’t mean that other people [00:28:00] are going to be able to get that same care or any care or that they would be able to afford their treatments. If they did have to go into the hospital for this and that it wouldn’t be devastating in that sense.

[00:28:09] Like, it’s just, it really, really angers me. For, for that rhetoric to then become the, especially, especially when you look at the number of people that were exposed to the virus, uh, at his events and because of him and because of the people on his staff and, and they’re not even doing contact tracing, it’s like, and the reason they’re not doing contact tracing is because they don’t want more people who got the virus.

[00:28:36] They don’t want that to happen. It’s the same. Thing is his whole thing has been, which is if we don’t test the numbers will be lower and it will look better. Meanwhile, people are fucking dying and no one cares. And we don’t have stimulus packages passed to protect people who are struggling and the economy still isn’t back on track.

[00:28:55] And you know what. Part of that reason is because of him. It’s like, if we take [00:29:00] in this shit seriously, like other countries have, right. We could maybe be in a phase where we could do some real, um, like Australia is, is a lot more together than we are. New Zealand is a lot more together than we are. And they still have periods where people will come in and where they’ll be exposed to stuff.

[00:29:17] And they have to clamp things down again. But meanwhile, like, I don’t know, I just, I’m going to go off my soap box

[00:29:23] Brett: [00:29:23] Did you the, uh, there’s a roller Derby association that came up with, I think it was a 12, 12 level, like a 12 tier code we’d plan so that they could start holding events at first, like. I don’t remember all the levels, but they, they worked out this system that was so complete and so good that other organizations began calling about it.

[00:29:50] And even, uh, uh, local governments began implementing this roller Derby league’s covert protocols. And I [00:30:00] wish I’ll find a link. It’ll be in the show notes to this. It’s kind of amazing that because on this roller Derby team, There were nurses and healthcare workers who actually thought through all of this and implemented something that apparently government can’t like, even on a local level.

[00:30:20] So interesting side, side story to all of this.

[00:30:26] Christina: [00:30:26] Yeah, well, no, I mean, it’s sort of interesting when you have like people, I actually kind of like working together. Um, I don’t want to turn this whole into a whole, like, you know, COVID politics show, but there’ve been, there’s been a lot of really interesting reporting in vanity fair about how, uh, you know, Jareds brain trust.

[00:30:42] I’m re I’m being sarcastic here. Rolling my eyes, how they like their work, but there actually was a team team of people who were smart, like very smart. People who were gathered together and were trying to work on a plan. And, um, a lot of their ideas, I mean, it was better [00:31:00] than, than what we’ve had. Um, only for the whole thing to basically be thrown out because they figured that politically well, most of the States there that are showing the highest number of infections are blue States.

[00:31:11] So what do we care? Which honestly,

[00:31:14] Brett: [00:31:14] They’re also the most populated anyway. Yeah.

[00:31:17] Christina: [00:31:17] know, but, but, but to me like, and th th becomes an apolitical thing actually, like what type of evil do you have to be where you will not implement a plan or even look at a plan based on how you believe that electorate votes like, like, honestly, like that is, that is totalitarian

[00:31:35] Brett: [00:31:35] cool. That’s fascism right there.

[00:31:37] Christina: [00:31:37] is fascism. That is absolutely fascist. And, and, and to me, it’s just, it’s really. Really horrifying just to see. And you know, what happens is that those stories are reported and people aren’t horrified that horrifies me even more like those, those things come out and the collective response I think is, yeah, it makes sense.

[00:31:55] Brett: [00:31:55] Yeah, right.

[00:31:55] Christina: [00:31:55] be that shouldn’t be our response. Yeah. And for years we’ve become so [00:32:00] desensitized and so accepting if we’re being totally honest, To the fact that this is how things go. No, we should be horrified. We should be calling it out. Like I don’t want to like, and I feel myself with this where I feel myself, like, like not being surprised.

[00:32:13] And, and that bothers me because when that happens, we are losing our bits of humanity when we become accepting of that type of behavior. And when we become like, almost like ambivalent to it, because that’s not

[00:32:27] Brett: [00:32:27] That’s how fascism rises.

[00:32:29] Christina: [00:32:29] It absolutely is you just say, well, that’s just the way the world works. No, you know what, like, I’m sorry.

[00:32:35] That is not the way that the world works and it’s not the way that the world should work. And, and we don’t, you know, like, like. W, you know, we are supposed to be living in a Republic and, and this is not supposed to be what we stand for. And yes, our country has historically committed many atrocities as have, has every other country, but that doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t aspire to not commit more.

[00:32:58] And so when it just becomes [00:33:00] well, yeah, it makes total sense that, that, of course they made these decisions on political grounds, like I’m horrified and I’m even more horrified that. It just becomes status quo and, and that, that happened only four years. And that is how you get the rise of like totalitarian regimes.

[00:33:19] And that is how really terrible things happen. Yeah. And, and people. Who cause you asked me, how do people let this happen? This is how you become so desensitized to it. That as it gets worse and worse, you don’t realize until you take in the, the totalitarian like that, the totality of what’s actually happened anyway.

[00:33:40] Brett: [00:33:40] Yup. All right. That feels like a good place to wrap the politics segment up. Yeah. Cause, cause I’m about to go off on like some extreme leftist shit right now. So, um, I’ll reign it in.

[00:33:53] Christina: [00:33:53] you’ll bring it in. Let’s talk about your new stream doc, actually.

[00:33:56] Brett: [00:33:56] Okay. So I originally I had the stream deck [00:34:00] mini, uh, and I had a lot of fun programming the buttons and I push it, I think as far as it can go, um, I had like certain scenes that would come up when certain apps were, were, uh, in the foreground. And that I made pretty good use of six buttons, but eventually I found myself wanting more.

[00:34:21] So I ordered the one with, what is it? 16. 15, yeah. 15 buttons on it. Yeah, not the XL. It’s kinda, it’s like the medium one.

[00:34:32] Christina: [00:34:32] Yeah. So, so that’s the original stream deck. So that’s what you, what you ordered. That’s the one that originally came out and was out for a couple of years, then they came out with the XL and then I think they came out with a

[00:34:41] Brett: [00:34:41] that, that, that sounds, that sounds correct, because I watched, I watched them for a long time and, and, and thought I could have fun with that, but it doesn’t seem worth it. And then I had to get the money for a job and, and now I’m hooked, but I’m having trouble with it. When I, when I plugged [00:35:00] in the new one, it asked if I wanted to, uh, Move my, my settings from my mini to the new one and I did, but I keep like the folders are messed up.

[00:35:10] Yeah. I have to, I’m going to wipe it and reprogram it from scratch. I wanted to have it to a point where I had a better soundboard. Um, I was gonna surprise you with a bunch of bunch of, bunch of fun sound effects. We’ll get there. It’ll happen. Uh, and there will at bare minimum be like an applause track.

[00:35:30] So when you finish one of your like five minute long rants, we can just have like a round of applause. Cause that’s what people are here for. They’re here for the Christina rant, for sure.

[00:35:42] Christina: [00:35:42] for sure. They’re, they’re definitely here for that now. They’re we’re here for you. Um, I’m I’m, I’m just, I’m just,

[00:35:46] Brett: [00:35:46] Don’t be ridiculous.

[00:35:48] Christina: [00:35:48] but, uh, no, that’s awesome. I’m glad you got the, the regular one. Yeah. So when I first used the stream deck and I guess it was. God, I guess it was about two years ago now.

[00:35:58] Um, [00:36:00] I two or three, I don’t even know. Um, I, um, I was like a huge fan of seeing kind of the stuff that we could do with it because. At Microsoft, like with my job within channel nine, like we have like a production studio and it’s not as fully featured as the Microsoft production studios, which is genuinely like a TV station, but it is like a very nice production studio.

[00:36:24] And we have, you know, um, uh, self-serve room, uh, where people can kind of record themselves where there’s like, I’m like, You know, uh, fake wood back paneling and there’s like a chair or a sofa and a camera set up and, and, uh, for, for screen sharing and, um, people can kind of record themselves. And, you know, a microphone or whatever, with a high end camera.

[00:36:46] And the way that that is controlled is through a stream deck. And that was something that, uh, somebody ran across and, and told us about. And then we got, and this was, yeah, this was probably close to three years ago now. Um, and, uh, So [00:37:00] that was my first kind of experience playing with one and I have needed one myself.

[00:37:06] Um, although I don’t have it set up yet. So I was especially like the beginning of COVID. I was actually using the phone app. I actually paid the $30 or whatever for the phone app. Um, which. Is great. And I will say again, I think I said to people, if you are curious about trying one of these out, um, if you don’t, if you’re not like Brett and you don’t need to buy one, like for a job, um, I would say rather than, you know, spending the money, if you don’t want to go through the returns or whatever, get the app because the app.

[00:37:39] It’s it’s, it’s a subscription you can cancel, you know, after the year or whatever, but it has like a, a three day trial or seven day trial or something, but get the app because the app works with, um, you know, the, the, the application on Mac or PC, and it has the same features. It just doesn’t have the, you know, the physical feel of the buttons.

[00:37:55] And it’s a, it’s a really good way to get a sense of it. Um, but El Gato [00:38:00] came out with the, uh, ring light, um, of like, Two weeks ago. And when I bought the ring light, I went ahead and bought, uh, the stream deck Xcel. So the giant one.

[00:38:12] Brett: [00:38:12] Yeah. It’s like 30, 32 buttons. Is that.

[00:38:15] Christina: [00:38:15] yeah, yeah. Which is probably overkill, but

[00:38:19] Brett: [00:38:19] Like I would spend as much time hunting for the right button on the screen as I would just running like a keyboard Maestro, shortcut.

[00:38:28] Christina: [00:38:28] more than likely the, what, what I’m kind of anticipating doing with it is. I might not use all the buttons or whatever, but maybe I will is having like different scenes set up for different purposes. So I could say, okay, when I do this sort of recording, these are the things that I want when I do this one.

[00:38:44] It’s this one, I, I believe it is overkill. I would have been fine with the other one, but, um, I’ve been dealing with COVID by just buying a bunch of stuff, stuff. So. Also, there was a period of time when they were harder to get, um, in [00:39:00] stock. And so it was just one of those things when I was like, all right, if I’m, if I’m buying this light, I might as well just go ahead and get the XLS and stock fine.

[00:39:08] I’ll get it. Um, I think it’s overkill. I was supposed to actually have like a normal one was supposed to be provided to me to be owned by the company, but I would have it at home and that hasn’t happened yet. And so, which is fine. And I was just like, I’ll just, I’ll just, I’ll just get the giant one. Um, But, uh,

[00:39:26] Brett: [00:39:26] You know, the screen saver that shows up on the background when it’s, when your computer’s not active, you can change that. Talk about fun.

[00:39:38] Christina: [00:39:38] cause we had one, I think actually when we had a studio, I think we had one where we, uh, we had it like looked like fish or something, which was kinda cool,

[00:39:44] Brett: [00:39:44] Yeah.

[00:39:45] Christina: [00:39:45] but yeah. Um, what’s interesting is that, is that the stream deck mobile, like it’s great. Cause it’s on your phone. But where it would be perfect and it doesn’t, it’s not optimized.

[00:39:55] It’d be perfect if it were for the iPad. And I think that the reason [00:40:00] they don’t optimize it for iPad is because that would completely obviate the need for a whole bunch of people of buying a physical one. Because imagine like, if you were able to use like, like, you know, a full size iPad, let alone like the 12.9 inch, like, but let’s just talk about like the normal size or the 11 inch iPad pro that would be.

[00:40:20] Obviate many, many people are like, yeah. You know what? I don’t need to spend $200 on the physical device. I’m just going to use the software.

[00:40:29] Brett: [00:40:29] be an app, a non El Gato solution that does that with iPad. And there’s gotta be some companion app for Mac.

[00:40:37] Christina: [00:40:37] Yeah, there is, it won’t work with the El Gato software, but there is like, somebody has come up with like, I guess, alternatives. It’s not as good, but I’ve looked into this because that was, that was kinda my thing. I was like, Oh, can I find a way to do this? And, um, I went down that rabbit hole, which is not surprising.

[00:40:54] Um, And, um, yeah, but yeah, so yeah, cause the, the, the regular stream deck has 15 [00:41:00] keys, then there’s the mini with six, and then there’s the XL with 32, which again, complete overkill. But, um, I, uh, I, again, I just, I’m, I’m, I’m the way I’m dealing with my stress is just by buying things. So

[00:41:18] Brett: [00:41:18] we have like 15 minutes left and so much TV to talk about.

[00:41:22] Christina: [00:41:22] let’s get into it.

[00:41:23] Brett: [00:41:23] R D did you watch utopia?

[00:41:27] Christina: [00:41:27] Uh, yes, I did.

[00:41:28] Brett: [00:41:28] Speaking of pandemics, um, did you finish utopia?

[00:41:33] Christina: [00:41:33] I did.

[00:41:34] Brett: [00:41:34] How, how long did it take you to watch it? How many days did you spend,

[00:41:39] Christina: [00:41:39] Uh, I don’t know. I, I watched it pretty quickly.

[00:41:44] Brett: [00:41:44] man? I, I started and finished it in three days.

[00:41:47] Christina: [00:41:47] yeah, I was going to say that seems about right for me.

[00:41:50] Brett: [00:41:50] It was so. It, it had everything I wanted. It was okay. It was not a brand new plot idea. The idea of a pandemic where the, uh, [00:42:00] the, what, I guess I won’t spoil the plot because it’s relatively new, but it was not yeah. New idea, but the way they developed it and the actors, they got, they had Rainn Wilson.

[00:42:14] Christina: [00:42:14] John Cusak.

[00:42:15] Brett: [00:42:15] it was great cast, great story writing it.

[00:42:19] It starts off at a Comicon. So it appeals to the nerds right away. The whole thing is based around a comic book or a graphic novel and yeah, no, it was so good. I loved

[00:42:30] Christina: [00:42:30] No, I loved it too. And, um, so it was based on like, uh, uh, originally it was a British show, which I haven’t

[00:42:36] Brett: [00:42:36] Oh, really?

[00:42:37] Christina: [00:42:37] want to, yeah. And I want to go back and watch it, but it was based on, on a British show that came out in 2013. And, um, it was adapted by Gillian Flynn and Gillian Flynn. I don’t know if you know who she is, but she.

[00:42:50] Okay. So she was, uh, for many, many years, she was a entertainment writer for entertainment weekly. And I used to love reading her stuff and she wrote a novel, uh, that did okay. But [00:43:00] didn’t get at the time kind of a lot of traction. And then she was laid off and she wrote a book while she was after she was laid off from entertainment weekly called gone girl.

[00:43:11] Brett: [00:43:11] I remember it gone, girl.

[00:43:12] Christina: [00:43:12] Yeah. And then, and then her, her first novel was, was adapted as a, uh, into a, a HBO show. Halt HBO show called sharp objects.

[00:43:23] Brett: [00:43:23] I saw, I remember seeing the, uh, listing for that, but I never watched it.

[00:43:29] Christina: [00:43:29] It’s fantastic. Amy Adams was robbed as she is always robbed of awards. She’s been nominated for God knows how many, um, uh, Oscars and, uh, yeah, she, she was robbed, but, um, yeah, no, it’s, uh, uh, at this point, um, So, yeah, so she, she, she adapted a utopia for TV and, um, I don’t know. I, I, I thought it was fantastic.

[00:43:56] I also thought that, uh, but, but I love Julian Flint and I thought [00:44:00] that this is, I think the first time that she’s adapted someone else’s work because she works on sharp objects. And I believe that she worked on the script for, um, gone girl as well. But, uh, I, um, I really, really. And dark places is another one of hers.

[00:44:15] But I think that, um, yeah, this is one of the first times that she’s adapted somebody else’s work and I thought utopia was great and really, really good.

[00:44:25] Brett: [00:44:25] Um, I’m, I’m looking this up right now because I got the impression watching the credits that. A lot of the production and writing and, uh, direction was, uh, from females. It seemed like a very, a very female heavy cast or female heavy, uh, crew. So let’s see full cast and crew directed by. It appears that two [00:45:00] out of four of the directors were female series writing credits.

[00:45:05] Oh, only Gillian Flynn was the only, only female writer on there. All right. I may have gotten an inflated perception of that.

[00:45:13] Christina: [00:45:13] Yeah, it was originally supposed to be on HBO and she’d worked on it with the, with, with David Fincher. Um, but, um, there was some sort of a dispute. And so then, um, Amazon, um, ordered it. Um, and, uh, what’s so interesting about this because it is so timely is a, you know, the original stop. The original show is from 2013 and then they filmed it, um, in 2018.

[00:45:38] And. Which, you know, it’s just, there’s a certain amount of just like perfect timing with the whole plot, you know?

[00:45:46] Brett: [00:45:46] Yeah.

[00:45:48] Christina: [00:45:48] weird.

[00:45:49] Brett: [00:45:49] Although I, I worry that it may, it may affect people’s willingness to take. Uh, to get a vaccine when the vaccine does come out.

[00:45:58] Christina: [00:45:58] Fair enough. Fair enough. [00:46:00] But it’s just, it’s just interesting how there’ve been a number of things like the Handmaid’s tale was the same

[00:46:03] Brett: [00:46:03] Yeah. Oh, for sure.

[00:46:05] Christina: [00:46:05] in production for a far before the, the, the 2016 election and then like, became that much more. Uh, like it was clear like, Oh, this is really precious.

[00:46:17] And this is really timely. It’s I don’t know. I like when that happens, but yeah. Yeah. Utopia is fantastic. It’s one of the, um, I I’ve been really hit or miss on Amazon’s, uh, shows, but this was a really good one. And, and, um, I didn’t know until I was just looking this up while we were talking that it had been set up at HBO and that makes total sense because, you know, she had sharper objects there, but, uh, I, but also this seems to me, like this would be.

[00:46:43] An HBO project, you

[00:46:45] Brett: [00:46:45] Yeah.

[00:46:45] Christina: [00:46:45] and the fact that they were able to get it for, for Amazon. I’m good on Amazon.

[00:46:52] Brett: [00:46:52] Amazon also did modern love, which was an excellent, a

[00:46:57] Christina: [00:46:57] modern love.

[00:46:58] Brett: [00:46:58] of bottle [00:47:00] episodes where

[00:47:00] Christina: [00:47:00] Anthology, I think is what they’d call

[00:47:02] Brett: [00:47:02] yeah, it was very, uh, especially episode three. I don’t know if we already talked about this, but episode three, uh, start what’s her name? Uh, And Hathaway as a bipolar woman, uh, kind of dealing with, I guess you would say, uh, dating and bipolar.

[00:47:26] It was kind of, well, it was the, her whole life around coming to accept and, and getting treatment for bipolar. It was very touching to me as a, a bipolar person, but they were all good. All of them.

[00:47:40] Christina: [00:47:40] were, they’re all really good. I, I, and that’s, uh, that was one that I was actually really surprised about how good it was, because when I first read that they were adapting the column into kind of an anthology series at that, that I was like, all right, well, that’s interesting, but how are you going to do that?

[00:47:55] And my fear was that it was going to be schmaltzy. My fear was that it was going to be either schmaltzy [00:48:00] or really on the nose. And that wasn’t the

[00:48:02] Brett: [00:48:02] Yeah.

[00:48:03] Christina: [00:48:03] And, uh, it, it really did, I think capture the best parts of that column, which for, for anyone who is listening, who’s not familiar. Modern love is a column in the New York times where, uh, people send in letters and they attach their real names.

[00:48:17] Maybe they use pseudonyms or maybe they were allowed, but I don’t think that I actually don’t think you’re allowed to do that where they share very real and kind of raw. Sometimes uplifting sometimes not kind of perspectives on love and relationships. And it’s, it’s a, it’s a great column. Um, but I didn’t know how they were going to adapt that.

[00:48:35] And, uh, I thought that they, it was a really good adaptation.

[00:48:39] Brett: [00:48:39] Uh, so last, last episode, we talked about Shirley’s throne and you mentioned that I should watch old guard. So I did.

[00:48:47] Christina: [00:48:47] And your

[00:48:48] Brett: [00:48:48] Oh my God. I, it, I think that’s like a Netflix original, right?

[00:48:53] Christina: [00:48:53] It sure

[00:48:53] Brett: [00:48:53] And for, for a Netflix movie, which I shouldn’t, they’ve done some really good work, but [00:49:00] a foreign Netflix movie, I thought it was outstanding.

[00:49:02] They created this, the idea of an immortal army, but with like all this gray area and heart, and, uh, it was spectacular. I really enjoyed it.

[00:49:17] Christina: [00:49:17] Yeah, I thought it was, I thought it was amazing. And I don’t know if this was the case where I don’t know when Netflix got involved because Netflix has, you know, like purchased kind of like, like they, they, uh, um, um, uh, the guy who directed, um, um, Parasite, uh, they, they distributed his first film and obviously like Martin Scorsese’s last film, they distributed, but I believe that they were more heavily involved in this one.

[00:49:43] And you got your right. Like, it’s just, it’s so good.

[00:49:47] Brett: [00:49:47] so yeah, if you’re looking for an action movie and you liked, for least the Rhone as a, as an action hero, it, I highly recommend it.

[00:49:54] Christina: [00:49:54] Yeah, it’s based on a comic book, which I’ve never read. Um, but, but people say that it’s a really good [00:50:00] adaptation and yeah, but it just continues to kind of further and cement her as she has turned into, I think the leading female action star at this point.

[00:50:10] Brett: [00:50:10] yeah.

[00:50:11] Christina: [00:50:11] Like, I’m trying to think. I honestly, maybe I’m wrong on this, but I’m trying to think, like, I don’t, I think a it’s kind of sad cause we don’t have a whole lot of them, but she’s not in the Marvel universe.

[00:50:22] Uh, thank God. Um, and I say, thank God, because she’s better than that. And, and I will

[00:50:26] Brett: [00:50:26] yeah, for sure. For sure.

[00:50:27] Christina: [00:50:27] she’s, she’s better than that. And, and like scholarship, Hanson’s a great actress and whatnot, but like surely throwing us on another level. And so I’m happy to see her in things like mad max and,

[00:50:37] Brett: [00:50:37] Furiosa was just like, for me, it was a turning point. In my opinion of her as action hero was a as Furiosa and mad max fury road. She was, I mean, that movie amazed me. That was like the most it’s like doing speed. The entire movie, it like never stops. [00:51:00] It’s like the chase scene from a good action film, but for two hours it was, that was amazing.

[00:51:06] And she was an amazing lead character for that.

[00:51:09] Christina: [00:51:09] Yeah, she was amazing in that she was great in atomic blonde, which I really liked too. And, um, yeah. Um, and, and then old guard, you know, like, but she’s, she’s been doing action stuff for the better part of, of, you know, since, I guess, I guess going back as far as these hellion job, which, which we talked about before, which I like, but she’s really, um, and it’s an interesting evolution because, um, she’s, you know, she’s in her forties now and she has kind of become.

[00:51:42] That I guess, kind of Sigourney Weaver, you know, Linda Hamilton type of role accepts. And I say this with no disrespect to either Linda Hamilton or Sigourney Weaver, but she’s. Both a better actress and significantly like she’s, she’s actually like one of the most beautiful woman in the world. And it’s, and so [00:52:00] those three things, the fact that she’s got like the action aspect, she’s such a great actress and, um, you know, I’m sorry, but it is, it is, does make things different, maybe not better, but definitely different.

[00:52:11] She is just this ridiculously attractive person who. Right. Like, like she, you know, it was one of the most beautiful women in the world that when they aren’t, you know, doing hours and hours of makeup on her to make her look ugly, like in monster, um, you know, like it’s this, this thing that it’s like, what I like Angelina Jolie, he could have gone this way.

[00:52:34] She decided to focus on other things. But I think that Shirley’s thrawn has fulfilled the promise of that. What Angelina Jolie was doing in the. Earlier part of her career in the two thousands. And then, you know, she shifted and went into other things. Um, although obviously Angelina, Julia was younger when she was doing that, but I think that’s sort of interesting that she’s kind of fulfilled that, that role.

[00:52:58] Um, it’s [00:53:00] interesting.

[00:53:01] Brett: [00:53:01] Sure. Um, um,

[00:53:04] Christina: [00:53:04] you’re going to tell me about the unicorn while we have a

[00:53:06] Brett: [00:53:06] well actually, I’d rather talk about Ted lasso.

[00:53:10] Christina: [00:53:10] Okay. Ted last. So tell me about that.

[00:53:11] Brett: [00:53:11] You haven’t watched Ted last, so, and now I feel bad because we’re podcasting. When you could be watching Ted lasso. It’s so good. It is the, it’s a charming, uh, comedy.

[00:53:25] Christina: [00:53:25] I’ve been meaning to watch this. Okay. Tell me about this. Cause this is, this is bill Lawrence.

[00:53:29] Brett: [00:53:29] Yeah. Jason Sudeikis gets a, a job. He’s an American football coach who gets hired to be, uh, uh, a soccer, uh, British football coach.

[00:53:41] Um, And it turns out he was hired under the pretense. Like there was a divorce and the woman wanted to drive her team into the ground. So she thought the way to do that would be to hire an American football coach and just make a laughing stock of the team. But it’s kind of, you know, the, [00:54:00] you would expect the, a, there to be a surprise, a surprise, good result from that, uh, would make a good TV show.

[00:54:09] Um, I, I. I don’t know what I need to tell you to get you to watch it, but I guarantee you, you get two episodes and you’ll be hooked.

[00:54:19] Christina: [00:54:19] No, no, no, no. I’ll I’ll I’ll you need to do all I need to, to realize was that it was created by bill Lawrence. Who is my favorite comedy television person. So he created scrubs and, um, he also did a clone high and, um, he was, he did spin city and, uh, he’s just Cougar town. Like, he’s just one of my favorites.

[00:54:39] So now that I know that this is the bill Lawrence thing, right. Um, which I was not aware of. Uh, and I remember reading about this and then there’s just so much TV. I just forget. So this is an Apple TV, plus I will watch this. I will watch this, uh, probably this weekend and, uh, I will do my best. Watch this before we do our next recording.

[00:55:00] [00:55:00] So.

[00:55:01] Brett: [00:55:01] okay. Deal. Um, and we don’t, it won’t be an in depth conversation. I just, I just need to, I need you to have seen it for me to feel, uh, to feel whole

[00:55:13] Christina: [00:55:13] Yeah, no, I mean, now I’m actually really excited to watch this because, um, I love bill Lawrence so much, so.

[00:55:19] Brett: [00:55:19] the other, the other touching show you’re right. Was the unicorn, which I just kind of, I was looking, I was looking for, we like to have half hour shows, uh, to just kind of watch. Uh, when we, we want to stay up for another half an hour, but we don’t have like the, the fortitude to say for a full hour show. So it’s nice to have some half hour shows and in our pocket.

[00:55:41] Um, and so we gave the unicorn a shot and it stars, I can’t remember the actor’s name. He was in eastbound and down. Um, but not the main character anyway, uh, uh, it, it does star, um, Rob Corddry, who [00:56:00] I’m a big fan of.

[00:56:01] Christina: [00:56:01] I’m a big fan of, and you’re friends with Rob.

[00:56:03] Brett: [00:56:03] Yeah. You could say that he, he, he responds to my texts. So I’ll call him a friend. Um,

[00:56:09] Christina: [00:56:09] you’ve had them on your podcast. Like you have his phone number. Like you’re like, you can say it like, like you’re not like maybe like close friends. You’re not like, you know, it’s not like you and I are friends, but yeah. You have like a friend of yours. You, you can say that.

[00:56:20] Brett: [00:56:20] And, and I’ve seen him in some really shitty stuff lately. Uh, I watched yeah. Operation end game and he played like a drunk assassin and, and it was, it was good for what it was, but it was not watch a w was not a role that really showcased his abilities. And the unicorn is, I love him in the unicorn.

[00:56:41] Um, it’s, uh,

[00:56:43] Christina: [00:56:43] um, I, I, I loved, um, Oh, and I see, I see I’m looking at some of the other actors. Um, this looks good, but we’ve talked about this in like probably OGE episodes of the show, but, uh, animal or children’s hospital is one of my favorite, uh, TV

[00:56:58] Brett: [00:56:58] Wait, children’s hospital is a [00:57:00] perfect showcase of Rob Rob sense of humor. Like he wrote that show so you can really get a feel for what he finds funny. Uh, he did not write as far as I know on the unicorn. Uh, so it’s someone else’s humor, but his acting and he pulls it off really well. Um,

[00:57:19] Christina: [00:57:19] a network show, which is interesting. Um, you usually don’t recommend network shows is, is the first season on

[00:57:25] Brett: [00:57:25] Yes, Netflix. Um, So any quick synopsis, it is about a guy whose wife died a year ago and he is just now in the first episode, they finally run out of frozen meals, left over from the week. And. Uh, and eat decides it’s time to move on and start dating again. And he is informed by his friends that he is a unicorn, uh, a mature man with, uh, whose wife has died.

[00:57:57] And therefore he’s not, [00:58:00] he’s, he’s, he’s good for a commitment. He is well, he’s experienced and mature and. Uh, also single and that combination makes him very popular on like dating apps, but he has a lot of bad luck with dating apps. So it’s kind of, it’s his romantic life and I’m about five episodes in on it.

[00:58:18] But I love the show. I really do. It’s not even a premise that I would normally assume I would be into. Oh, wow. It works.

[00:58:29] Christina: [00:58:29] Yeah, no for sure. I’m I’m I’m. Yeah. If you’re saying you’re into this, cause this doesn’t seem like this doesn’t seem like a show that you would, and the setup is very pure. Like Thursday night, CBS comedy, like this is very much like, like I’m actually surprised that that Chuck Lorre didn’t do this, although I’m happy Chuck Lorre didn’t do this because if Chuck Lorre did this, I’d be like, all right, I will begrudgingly watch this and probably laugh at times, but I’m going to hate myself because it’s Chuck Lorre.

[00:58:57] Uh, cause that’s how I feel about all of his shows, but the fact that he’s [00:59:00] not part of it. Um, is, um, uh, like makes me feel better, but also the synopsis and kinda what you’re talking about totally makes me feel like I was like, yeah, this is a CBS show. So, uh, I will, I will check this out for sure,

[00:59:15] Brett: [00:59:15] yeah, I laugh out loud at every episode. It’s really good writing.

[00:59:20] Christina: [00:59:20] All right. Well, I will check it out. It’s also been renewed for a second season, which I don’t know if that, uh, when that will be taking place because of, you know, everything being shut down. Yeah. But that’s, uh, uh, or, I mean, hopefully they will still get a second season. Um, I don’t know if you saw this or not.

[00:59:35] This was very upsetting. Uh, Glo was, was given a fourth season. They actually shot a couple of episodes and Netflix has come back and has canceled. Glow

[00:59:45] Brett: [00:59:45] right? Cause they got their three Netflix seasons and then they’re done.

[00:59:50] Christina: [00:59:50] But like they’d already gone into production on the fourth. Like that’s the thing that really galls me is like, they’d already like, so they’d broken the episodes. I’m sure. You know, they’d [01:00:00] like, and look, I get it. You don’t want to have maybe people under contract for, for, for however long or whatever, but also that’s a really shit move from Netflix.

[01:00:07] I have to say like, so I’m very upset that glow has ended because I thought glow was one of the best shows.

[01:00:13] Brett: [01:00:13] really was.

[01:00:14] Christina: [01:00:14] And, um, and so, uh, I doubt CBS will do that, but you never know, like these things are weird, so, but at least as of right now, it’s been renewed for a second season, so

[01:00:25] Brett: [01:00:25] All right. Alison Brie, uh, post, post community. I mean, she was great and community, I loved her character, but yeah, her, uh, her kind of, uh, she has this, uh, I would, uh, would you agree? It’s a bit of an Anne Hathaway personality. Kind of a high maintenance neurotic.

[01:00:45] Christina: [01:00:45] 100%. Like she’s okay. I’m sorry. And this is not in any way denigration, but she always came across as like TB and Hathaway.

[01:00:55] Brett: [01:00:55] Yeah. No, that makes sense. Like she’s someone I’m not sure I would get along with as a, as [01:01:00] a, uh, a beer drinking friend, although I bet she’s a lot of fun after a couple beers.

[01:01:06] Christina: [01:01:06] No, here’s the thing. I think that’s just the character she plays because she’s married to, um, um, uh, what’s his face. Um, James, um, fuck. You know what I’m talking

[01:01:19] Brett: [01:01:19] Yeah, James. Fuck. Oh, Franco.

[01:01:21] Christina: [01:01:21] no. Yeah, James Franco. She she’s married to James Franco’s younger brother, Dave.

[01:01:25] Brett: [01:01:25] Okay. Okay.

[01:01:26] Christina: [01:01:26] And they’ve been together for a really long time.

[01:01:28] And I think they, she said that they got together when they were both stoned or something. So I actually think that she is totally

[01:01:35] Brett: [01:01:35] she get typecast?

[01:01:36] Christina: [01:01:36] Yeah, I think so. I think that because of Annie and I think she also was, you know, Trudy on mad men. So I have a feeling we’ve we don’t actually know her personality.

[01:01:47] Brett: [01:01:47] look forward to, I look forward to her getting more full fledged roles then.

[01:01:51] Christina: [01:01:51] And I think she will, because glow was so good and Ruth was such an interesting character and that whole show is just really, really good. Mark Baron was great [01:02:00] in it. Um, but yeah, I’m,

[01:02:02] Brett: [01:02:02] Mark Marin Merck Marin on the other hand actually, is that character.

[01:02:07] Christina: [01:02:07] Mark Marin is that character. Uh, I interviewed him once and it was one of the most. Okay. So. One of the worst interviews I ever had was with David Cross, who just could not give a shit and it’s, and, and that’s fine. I understand. He was just, somebody told me I had to do the phone call. He didn’t care. I was trying to kind of, and I’m such a big fan that I was, I was trying to like, maybe find a common ground.

[01:02:30] It, it didn’t work and that’s as much on me, you know, as is on him. And I actually don’t hold it against him. That’s just one of those things. Uh, Mark Marin was an interest one because the show that he, uh, was on, on IFC was coming out and they were promoting it with. So if his actual tweets and I had an interview with him and it was, he was sort of distracted and it was, it was going really poorly throughout the first half.

[01:02:55] And he was like, he was like, I’m sorry, can you just give me a second? I’m dealing with simple shit. And, [01:03:00] and so I, I was like, all right, well, the interview is going really poorly and I’m about 15 seconds seconds from him hanging up on me, almost nothing to work with. So I had nothing to lose. So I’m like, okay.

[01:03:11] Do you want to talk about it? And then he just kind of unloads and he’s talking about all this. Like genuinely stupid Twitter drama, where people were mad that he appeared on the Howard stern show because he’s been, he’d been at that point, like a long time, um, frequent guests on Oprah and Anthony. And, uh, he was obviously super excited to be on the stern show, but was now like literally like Twitter, random, like.

[01:03:37] Eggs like people who do not matter, we’re like calling him a trader and he was like, actually really impacted by this, which was perfect for the whole story I was writing. So I kind of let him unload. Let him kind of was his therapist. And then we had a great conversation. But he is completely that character and his podcast, obviously you, you know, his personality, but, um, [01:04:00] that I believe was one of the first times that the word bullshit without being in any way, censored was published in Mashable because I quoted it directly.

[01:04:10] And I, it was like in the first sentence or two of my article, uh, which, uh, Which the network incidentally loved. They thought it was funny, but yeah, that’s my only Mark Marin’s story, which is, it was probably one of the only times I’ve ever had, like, I mean, that interview was so I was so close to being hung up on.

[01:04:29] I was so close to having him hang up on me and having nothing. And I had like nothing to lose and I was like, want to talk about it and then yes, exactly. As you said, he is that character 100%, but I also did love that. Like he was an. This is the most human thing about him. Cause I think all of us can relate to this, but he was like really actively like upset about dealing with like some Twitter bullshit with some like randos, like calling him like a sellout or a trader, because he wanted to [01:05:00] appear on the most iconic radio show of all time, which especially for someone of his age, like it was just one of those things where, uh, I, it endeared me to him very much.

[01:05:11] I was like, yeah. You sir are all right. You were very much you and will not put on a front. Um, so, anyway,

[01:05:19] Brett: [01:05:19] Um, the, uh, we should save a full long discussion about this for the next episode, but I do want to let everyone know, cause this is important that a carabiner elements came out with an update yesterday that officially supports big Sur and silicone. So that, that was like a, uh, I would not upgrade my primary machine to big Sur until that happened.

[01:05:50] So that’s one less barrier. Like I’ll, I’ll run big Sur on a partition for testing, but it, I’m not [01:06:00] terribly excited about putting it on my primary machine, but that makes a big difference right there.

[01:06:05] Christina: [01:06:05] That’s awesome. And this is a keyword customizer. Um, I actually, cause I’m not running Catalina. I am not running it. So I actually am ex actually, no, I’m running Catalina on one of my machine, so I need to, to install it. But yeah, we’ll talk about this in depth on our next show, which we will be recording huh.

[01:06:22] In a few days. So, um, That that excites me, that that is now available. Cause I also on our next show and then we’ve got to go cause I have another meeting. Um, I, uh, I want to talk about, um, Apple Silicon in general. I want to get an update from you from what you can say on your experiences, developing on it and uh, and, and whatnot.

[01:06:43] Brett: [01:06:43] We’ll see if I, uh, yeah. I’ll make some confessions at the time we do that then.

[01:06:49] Christina: [01:06:49] Okay.

[01:06:50] Brett: [01:06:50] Alright, well, uh, have fun at your next meeting

[01:06:54] Christina: [01:06:54] Thank

[01:06:55] Brett: [01:06:55] and. I hope you continue to feel better.

[01:07:01] [01:07:00] Christina: [01:07:01] I appreciate that. Yeah. Um, honestly, this conversation has lifted my energy quite substantially. So

[01:07:07] Brett: [01:07:07] Nothing like a little bit of rage and then some TV talk to get one going in the morning.

[01:07:12] Christina: [01:07:12] honestly, this is true.

[01:07:14] Brett: [01:07:14] All right. Get some sleep, Christina.

[01:07:16] Christina: [01:07:16] Get some sleep, Brett.