Overtired 207

[00:00:00] [00:00:00] Soundtrack: [00:00:00] Tired, so tired, overtired.

[00:00:05]Christina: [00:00:05] Welcome to overtired. Uh, I’m Christina Warren. He’s Brett Terpstra. And, uh, we were just talking before we started recording that we think that this is the first time in the history of the, I don’t know, like five or six years of overtired existence that we are recording an episode early at my request.

[00:00:27] Brett: [00:00:27] And as a result, it’s one of the few times we’ve ever not at least had a bullet list of potential topics. Like we are flying completely blind this episode, and anything could happen.

[00:00:40] Christina: [00:00:40] I mean, we, we, well, anything except we won’t be inviting, um, uh, like, um, weird, uh, people who have museums dedicated to Tonya Harding and Nancy Kerrigan

[00:00:53] Brett: [00:00:53] still sounds like a delightful idea,

[00:00:55] Christina: [00:00:55] it really does.

[00:00:56] Brett: [00:00:56] on paper, it sounded like a great [00:01:00] idea.

[00:01:01] Christina: [00:01:01] Faith. Thank you. Cause I, I felt bad about that over the years. I’m like, man, that was really terrible. But the concept and the reason I backed the Kickstarter was because it seemed awesome. And I was like, Oh, I would love to talk to these people. And then they were just terrible.

[00:01:16] Brett: [00:01:16] Terrible people, but here’s the thing is now we have like a war story

[00:01:21] Christina: [00:01:21] We do,

[00:01:22] Brett: [00:01:22] something we can laugh about for years to come.

[00:01:25] Christina: [00:01:25] Years and years to come. And, and for a, I don’t even know, I don’t, I don’t think that episode survived. Um, one of our migrations, but a long time, like, like cool kid listeners will recall that. Um, in the early days of overtired, we brought on some guests and, uh, it did not go well.

[00:01:46] Brett: [00:01:46] I had a, I had a rough time. I don’t even, I can’t even remember. What was so wrong with it? I just remember eventually just going like silent and watching it unfold. [00:02:00] Yeah. We should start having some guests now. And then though, you know, I would love to have Ashley a Skedda back on.

[00:02:08] Christina: [00:02:08] I would love to have her on too. She’s amazing. I would love to have her on and I actually kind of like threw it at him and half guilted him. But someone was mentioning because a listener was listening to us, talk about keyboards. And they’re talking about how, um, our, our, our pal Mike from really FM has gotten really into them.

[00:02:28] And I was like, yes, let’s get Mike on.

[00:02:31] Brett: [00:02:31] I got a really nice letter from a listener. Um, I probably should have shared it with you, but it turned into a whole like private conversation. Um, but he, he talked about how. Uh, now that he has a daughter who suffers from depression, it’s made him realize that he really doesn’t have depression. Like he has normal ups and downs, like, like people do.

[00:02:54] And, uh, and it’s, it’s helped him realize that it’s nothing like [00:03:00] clinical depression, but then he also is even deeper into the mechanical keyboard thing than well, way deeper than I am. But even deeper than people I’ve known. Having he’s, he he’s a Devora keyboard user he’s

[00:03:15] Christina: [00:03:15] Oh, wow.

[00:03:16] Brett: [00:03:16] He also has an ultimate hacking keyboard.

[00:03:18] So he’s gone through the same trials as I have trying to find custom keys to fit the weird layout, but he has gone through like every type of plastic, every type of a concave and UN UN. And sculpted and different etchings and different switches. Like he’s completely like D soldered and recycled all of his switches and it, like, he’s gone deep into it.

[00:03:44] And he gave me some, some tips on where to find some, some keys and whatnot.

[00:03:49] Christina: [00:03:49] Oh, that’s awesome. Um, well, if you, if you can share that part, uh, some of those

[00:03:54] Brett: [00:03:54] Oh, for sure. Yeah.

[00:03:55] Christina: [00:03:55] obviously don’t need to see together. But also that’s, you know what, like, I, I really [00:04:00] love that he has empathy now that he has a daughter and is able to kind of see that stuff. Cause a lot of people that’s what it takes for all of us, I think is we need to have personal experiences, but I really respect that.

[00:04:10] He’s like talking about that. I think

[00:04:12] Brett: [00:04:12] Yeah, well, and with my, my bipolar posts, I keep getting feedback from people that. I like for me, it’s a foreign idea. I have a, my, my parents, I come from a family that has had a mental illness and it’s background. They understand it, they accept it. I have a community that is very supportive of me and, and enjoys like they thank me for talking about it.

[00:04:41] I don’t have an employer or coworkers to worry about civil. Like I get to talk about this stuff in a very raw, honest way. Without risking really anything like it. I have like zero risk doing it. And I keep hearing from people who feel like [00:05:00] they can’t for all of the reasons I just mentioned, but they have the opposite.

[00:05:05] Uh, and, and when they have tried to speak out about it, uh, people live change the way they act around them. They’ve treated them differently. And so they’ve just gone silent and they don’t tell anyone what they’re struggling with. And I even had one guy who really needed, I mean, his situation, he needed to talk to somebody and I ended up being his only outlet because he felt like he had nowhere else to go.

[00:05:33] And I’ll be honest, like I’m not great with personal connections. I am, I am absolutely. I will listen to anyone in that situation and I will offer what I can, but having like a face to face conversation. Hey, I didn’t realize how exactly how hard it could be for some people.

[00:05:52] Christina: [00:05:52] Yeah, no, I mean, that makes me sad, but also. What makes me two things. One, I’m sad that [00:06:00] all these years post us having like very, very concrete, like scientific medical, like. You know, proof of what happens with the brain and biochemistry and in neuro diversity and all that stuff that there’s still the stigma, but I’m also heartened that at least people have a way to reach out to some others.

[00:06:25] You know, that, that. That like, we always talk about how terrible the internet is because it is, but there’s something to be said. I think that we wouldn’t talk, we wouldn’t feel free or at least I wouldn’t feel free. I don’t want to speak for anybody else, but I wouldn’t feel free to kind of like clown on and make sure.

[00:06:42] Uh, derogatory remarks about the internet. If the internet hadn’t fundamentally changed my life, not just for the better, but like in many ways kind of saved me. You know what I mean? And, and so, and I feel, I feel fortunate to be alive in a time when we have [00:07:00] access to that. If we’re the only reason that we can have those connections with other people and not feel as alone or, um, What or isolated or whatever, regardless of our circumstances.

[00:07:12] So.

[00:07:12] Brett: [00:07:12] If it weren’t for the internet, I would probably. Be around people more like, I, I would probably have to have a job in an office, which, you know, it would suck, but it would just be the way things were. But I am grateful all the time because I really would not voluntarily socialize with people as regularly as I do, if not for Twitter and Facebook and.

[00:07:43] Uh, email and all of these ways that I do connect with people. Yeah. It’s, it’s important. I don’t, I life would be so different in this day and age without the internet. I can’t really [00:08:00] fathom other than having, you know, my childhood took place before the web existed. So I can remember what that was like, but I don’t know what being an adult would be like without it.

[00:08:13] Christina: [00:08:13] Yeah, and for me, it’s, it’s a weird thing that my childhood. Like my young childhood did, but basically from like the age of 12 onward, I had the web. And so. Obviously kids today are born with it and they never don’t know it, but the parents do still do things like trying to, you know, change how old they are before they can interact and do certain things.

[00:08:36] And so they have a concept of what it is and that it’s there, but, um, you know, It still varies. I think in terms of like how old kids are, when they become like actively online, you know, like actually communicating. And so for me, it is still one of those things where like, I feel like I’ve grown up with it to a certain extent, but I know what you mean.

[00:08:54] Like, I can sort of remember what it was like before that, but I don’t know. Otherwise I know that for me, I [00:09:00] don’t, I consider myself a pretty outgoing and social person. Both in, in person and online, but I don’t know if that would be the case, if it weren’t for the internet, because of the things that I was going through in my, in my preteens and teens and things that I experienced, you know, in my real life, during those like important periods, uh, The internet was the thing that was like kind of my rescues and was the thing that, where I could go to, to know, and kind of feel like comforted that there were other people out there like me, even if they weren’t the people I went to school with.

[00:09:38] And even if they weren’t the people who lived around me and even if they weren’t the people in my community, it was like that there were people like that out there. And I feel like that helped me. Be ready for college, where I met more people, you know, from different backgrounds and other stuff, but also just, you know, with, you know, giving you the confidence to like move across the country or visit people in other States or [00:10:00] take on other things.

[00:10:01] I, I don’t know if I would have had that confidence to do that if I didn’t know that other people were out there who did understand me, if that makes any

[00:10:14] Brett: [00:10:14] Yeah, no, it makes total sense. It would be, it would be a different life for everyone,

[00:10:18] Christina: [00:10:18] Totally. That was a weird, sorry. Go on. Yeah, totally. And, and I think, yeah, it it’s, but it’s a bit, it is weird to think about. And I think it’s, it’s, it’s important. Um, for me to remind myself whenever I’m like, you know, it’s easy to be like, Oh, you know, like Twitter, what was the mistake? And I mean, sure. A social media was a mistake.

[00:10:37] Sure. But there are also things that I take them that I’m like, no, but my life has been fundamentally improved and made better in ways that I can’t even calculate because of the damn internet. I mean, like, I know you to who I consider one of my close friends. Because of the internet, like we never would have met otherwise there’s no way.

[00:10:55] Brett: [00:10:55] Yeah. None of, none of the ways, none of the reasons we met would have [00:11:00] existed at all, unless we both ended up writing for a print magazine. That would probably have been about, I don’t even know, like if the internet doesn’t exist, what else does it exist? Technology wouldn’t progress. Anyway, did you see the Netflix documentary about social network?

[00:11:17] I think it was called the social dilemma.

[00:11:20] Christina: [00:11:20] I did not.

[00:11:21] Brett: [00:11:21] We should both put that on our watch list.

[00:11:24] Christina: [00:11:24] Okay. I’ll add that to my watch list right now, as we’re, as we’re, as we’re talking about this, I wanted to ask you actually, before we get into any mental health corner updates, if you have any, um, also, uh, just once again, your blogs are really good and really inspiring and, and I really appreciate you writing them, but I wanted to ask you, cause I was actually thinking about this.

[00:11:43] Last night slash this morning when I was still awake because of my weird, you know, um, body, um, not being back on the right time zone yet or whatever. Um, you would, we talked like one of our first episodes back about you [00:12:00] wanting to give up meat again or making that decision again. I was wanting to check in with you and see how, how is that going?

[00:12:06] Brett: [00:12:06] It’s going great. I, uh, I have not given up dairy. Um, I I’m making a carbon trade off. My girlfriend has given up dairy, but she eats meat, so I don’t eat meat and she doesn’t consume dairy. So between the two of us, we’re a vegan. Um, but yeah, I’ve, I’ve completely given up meat. Uh, I tried pescatarian for a few days and decided I don’t like fish that much.

[00:12:35] Um, so yeah, I’ve been, I’ve been vegetarian. I’ve been getting vegetarian meals from HelloFresh and the co op and been, yeah, I’m liking it.

[00:12:46] Christina: [00:12:46] That’s that’s good. And how is it working with, uh, with you too, in terms of your separate meals? Like, is she cooking or are you still cooking meat for her? Or how is that working?

[00:12:54] Brett: [00:12:54] She’s cooking her own meals. I’m cooking my own meals. I feel like for a while [00:13:00] there, I was doing a really good job of cooking for both of us. And it was really nice. Cause she’s working days now. Uh, she’s she’s doing like home care and she comes home pretty worn out. And it was really nice to be able to offer her dinner, uh, without her having to expend any more energy.

[00:13:21] But we’re we’re, I don’t know how it’ll play out in the long run, but for the time being we’re cooking separate meals and doing fine with it.

[00:13:30]Christina: [00:13:30] That’s good. That’s really good to know. Um, so yeah, but I just wanted to, to check in and do some follow up on that because I was curious, and that occurred to me last night slash this morning. I don’t know. So. We recorded just listeners might not know. We usually try to record on a certain day and then we release on the same day.

[00:13:49] But this week we actually recorded a couple of days late. And, um, now we’re recording the day we normally record, but a couple of hours early. And [00:14:00] so when we last talked, which feels like. Just a couple of days

[00:14:03] Brett: [00:14:03] It does.

[00:14:04] Christina: [00:14:04] eh, you know, and it was, but, but it’s, it is, uh, it’s further back than it seems. I was talking about how I was having to like set my like circadian rep or whatever, because I was going to have to do these really long night shifts.

[00:14:20] And I did that. So I did that on Tuesday night and Wednesday night. And. Then I had, I slept for a really, really long time on Thursday. Um, and then I had to wake up early yesterday to do stuff, and I thought that I was going to have some other stuff, uh, Friday afternoon that didn’t end up happening. And, and then I was going to try to go to sleep or whatever, and that didn’t really work.

[00:14:43] But then I wound up taking a nap of source, which wasn’t even that long. And then I woke up at around 10 or 11:00 PM and I’ve been up. Since then. So I might just do what I can to stay up all day to day so I can get back on like a normal [00:15:00] rhythm, but, um, yeah.

[00:15:03]Brett: [00:15:03] Um, so how did ignite go?

[00:15:06] Christina: [00:15:06] It went really well. It went really well. Um, it was, it was weird. It was different than what we’ve kind of done before, in terms of the way our live show goes, like our, our, what we call like our, you know, ignite live or build live, which basically is kind of like our ESPN sports center style show. And when the event is in person, we actually have like a really big desk, which was kind of modeled to look like.

[00:15:29] The sports center desk, I guess, massive. Um, you know, it can fit, I think, you know, eight people on it at once. Although usually only two or three of us are up there sometimes only one. And we have like a, a stage and we usually have like an, like an audience. Then we stream that out and then we bring people on and we do, you know, 15 to 30 minute interviews in this context because everything is virtual.

[00:15:49] We were doing things from the studio in terms of the live host. But then our interviews are with people was, was over Microsoft teams. Uh, but it was in the, the Microsoft production studios, [00:16:00] not our channel line studios and channel nine is kind of our scrappy little kind of like. Underground thing like we do, like the team, uh, does unbelievable, amazing work, um, on almost no budget and with very few resources.

[00:16:12] Uh, but the Microsoft production studios is like, I mean, the people who are on the crew, let’s put it this way. Most of them. Well, I think it was a fully union crew, but most of the people who were, uh, crewing had worked in live television, you know, like, like, uh, one of our, uh, stage managers for part of our shift, uh, works on Jimmy Kimmel show and is, is furloughed right now.

[00:16:38] And it’s just kind of waiting for him to bring everybody back on. And, you know, people have worked, you know, in, in television and suffer for years. And, um, even though it’s, it’s a small setup, it is, uh, Very similar to when I used to do like live TV, um, on, on cable networks and whatnot. And so, uh, [00:17:00] obviously what is different is that fat is not, the normal approach will be have for this sort of thing.

[00:17:06] This is a lot more professional in that sense. And then there are additional kind of restrictions and requirements around how social distancing works. So the host and I, uh, my cohost and I like. Even though we weren’t wearing masks on set. We were still having to be six feet apart at all times. Um, you know, from the desk and whatnot, uh, the crew and, uh, everybody else in the production was, was wearing masks.

[00:17:29] You know, there were separate makeup artists for each person and, you know, the cleaners were coming through all the time. So it was really safe and, and I, and that was similar to Microsoft build. But this time, um, there was more, I guess, Some of the program, some of the was just a little bit different. And so that was a kind of interesting getting used to the first day, Seth and I didn’t have as much to do the second day was a little bit busier, but it was just kind of a bunch of like, kind of like [00:18:00] hurry up and go and, and introducing different segments.

[00:18:02] But what was good about it was that when I did Microsoft build in may. And we did a similar thing where it was 72 hours live this time. It was 48 hours, uh, with build, um, I was by myself and so I did, I didn’t have anybody doing the live segments with me. I had, I had remote hosts. Out of the UK, uh, who, who were doing things, but none of us were in the same space together.

[00:18:28] And I was just kind of alone with the crew in the studio. And this time I had Seth Woraz, who was amazing. He is like a, uh, um, he’s practically PhD, but he just hasn’t completed his thesis or whatever. Um, and, um, um, Comp science and AI and machine learning, but he’s one of our advocates and he’s also just amazing on camera, super smart guys, super, uh, like congenial and also very, very relatable on camera.

[00:18:55] Just a terrific guy. And so he, and I just had a blast together [00:19:00] from, you know, our on air time was like, I think from like 11:00 PM until 7:00 AM the first day. And then it was like 11:00 PM until like, like 8:00 AM, um, the second day. And, uh, We had it. We had a really good time. So that was fun.

[00:19:16] Brett: [00:19:16] I, uh, I didn’t, I didn’t see any of it. I’m not, but I did see your outfits on

[00:19:22] Christina: [00:19:22] Yes. Well, thank you. That’s the most important part. Thank you very much. Yeah, I know. Honestly, the outfits are the best part. Yeah, no, I have to say like the content and it’s really fun when I get to interview people. Like I did a session on Microsoft edge coming to Lennox, which was cool. And, and there were some other interviews I did with some kind of amazing women in the community who were, were really, really outstanding.

[00:19:43] Yeah. But I’m going to be honest, whether it’s the live show or like what we are now doing in studios, for me, the best part of these things is always the fact that I get to, I know I’m going to get to dress up and do something cool with my clothes and bring [00:20:00] my style into it a little bit, which I appreciate that Microsoft doesn’t like.

[00:20:06] Make me stick to, not that anything that I, that I wear would in any way be inappropriate, but you know, I’m not like I’m not like wearing corporate, like, you know, dress stuff like it’s it’s right. I’m not doing that. I mean, I could, but like I w I was wearing, like, I wore like a, a hoodie dress the first day.

[00:20:23] And the second day I had like a jumpsuit, which was just

[00:20:25] Brett: [00:20:25] That was my favorite was the

[00:20:27] Christina: [00:20:27] Yeah. Mine too, which is just fantastic. Uh, and.

[00:20:30] Brett: [00:20:30] goth, Debo.

[00:20:31] Christina: [00:20:31] Yes, completely, completely. It was like retro futurism. It was just really, it was really good. Um, and like, uh, for build one year, um, the live event I had like this amazing dress that I got from diesel when I was in Dubai.

[00:20:44] And the dress was so good. It was just it’s, um, sleepless and it’s really form-fitting and it’s just awesome. And that it has kind of like these futuristic kind of looks Japanese. Like it just, it has just, it’s just an amazing looking dress [00:21:00] and. People were, and then the woman, uh, Joseph who’s one of our senior managers and she also did my makeup and hair and she’s just fantastic.

[00:21:08] She did, she made me look just incredible and people were coming up to me. I had like people asking to get photos with me. Not because they knew me, but because they wanted it because of the dress, because they like wanted to show people that somebody, I guess, was at a developer conference, like. Dress like that.

[00:21:26] I’m like, yeah, I am hi. Welcome to build. Uh, so yeah. Sorry. I’ll stop rambling now.

[00:21:33] Brett: [00:21:33] No, that’s all right. I used to get really into dressing up. Like I owned so many suits and, and nice shirts and matching ties and cuff links and socks and a rack of belts. Like I used to be, it used to really make me happy to get dressed up. And then I gained weight and. And didn’t buy new clothes and then I lost a bunch of weight.

[00:21:59] So the [00:22:00] clothes I did have didn’t fit anymore, and I’ve never really built my dressy wardrobe back up. I basically had a drawer full of t-shirts, um, and, uh, maybe five pairs of jeans that I kind of rotate between, but I just, if, if a formal occasion were to come up right now, Or if I had to be on screen for something other than some video cast, I don’t think I would have to go clothes shopping, which also might be fun.

[00:22:30] I kinda miss it.

[00:22:32] Christina: [00:22:32] Yeah. Yeah, I honestly, I had, so I bought both of the things that I got. I bought them both online and I was worried about how they were going to fit and both fit. Well, I actually could have gone a size smaller in the jumpsuit. It was an extra small, I could have it probably should have done the extra, extra small, but, uh, I know.

[00:22:49] Um, but, um, But that’s actually not a good thing. That’s a whole other topic, but, uh, but yeah, I, I had to buy them online and that’s always hard. [00:23:00] Uh, I miss clothes shopping, but I also know what you mean in terms of, you know, like we’ve talked about this before. Like when I gained weight, um, I didn’t get rid of all my other clothes and I got some other clothes, you know, I had to fit into which then I got rid of those when I lost weight, but it, it has made me weirdly.

[00:23:17] Like since I’ve lost the weight again. And it’s been several years now, like not that I was ever ungrateful or not that I was ever took it for granted, but it’s made me just that much more like, okay. Um, if I ha if I have the ability to, to look nice and, and, you know, get the stuff like, I’m not, I’m not taking that for granted and I’m going to.

[00:23:39] Going to do that and try to embrace that, which when I was a kid clothes shopping was the worst thing in the entire world. It was like the most horrific know, but like, it was just, it was, um, for me because of the size that I was and how it was different from my peers and how like my puberty was like, and all that stuff, like it was genuinely like a traumatic experience [00:24:00] going clothes shopping when I was like, you know, uh, early teens and even in high school, it wasn’t great.

[00:24:06] And, um, then I went through a period where I really liked it and like, I’m never gonna take it for granted because I know that I could change. So I, when I have the excuse to, to go all out and shop, I do,

[00:24:22] Brett: [00:24:22] Yeah. I, I used to have an Oscar dealer renter tux from my wedding and it, after I lost all the weight, I was able to fit back into it. And so in the back of my mind, at least if the occasion came up, I own my own tux and I wouldn’t have to rent some ill fitting shitty tux. Um, and then we had a cat that, yeah, I don’t know what problems were going on, but it started spraying and it sprayed the pants [00:25:00] of the tux.

[00:25:01] And I think, I don’t think I had it say in the matter, I think L threw them out. Uh, I don’t think she realized how much they were worth. But, but I’m not sure even if she hadn’t that I would have been able to make them wearable. I don’t know if you’ve ever tried to get cat pee out of something. It’s, it’s very difficult.

[00:25:23] So even

[00:25:25] Christina: [00:25:25] not, but you know what, like I know that that’s, that’s the smell that lingers.

[00:25:32] Brett: [00:25:32] I woke up to skunk smell last night. It is some, we don’t have great well-insulated windows. And I think a skunk either got hit or, or just sprayed near our house because last night I could not, could not sleep through the smell. It was awful and it lasts forever. You probably don’t have a lot of skunks in your big city life.

[00:25:56] Christina: [00:25:56] No, no, we don’t. I mean, um, at least not where I [00:26:00] live, it’s I’m sure that people who live like, cause the suburbs are real close. I’m sure that many of them do, but, uh, we sure don’t we have a, we have plenty of other things that smell real bad, but yeah.

[00:26:14] Brett: [00:26:14] This conversation has been so random. I’m not sure it’s been more random than our usual conversations, but it feels more random because we don’t have a bullet list.

[00:26:23] Christina: [00:26:23] Yeah, this is true. This is true. Um, okay. So on our billet list, now that we’ve done, we’ve, we’ve talked about some stuff I’ve rambled for a bit. Uh, do we have any mental health corner updates? How are you feeling? How’s the depression

[00:26:35] Brett: [00:26:35] I actually, I actually don’t have anything to add this week. It’s been like a totally stable, totally normal healthy week for me. I I’m I’m I’m doing well. How about you?

[00:26:48] Christina: [00:26:48] Uh, yeah, I mean, I’m pretty good. It’s it’s again, like, it’s been a weird thing just because I, you get the adrenaline and the high from like the live stuff, at least I do, but then it was also, you know, just the weird [00:27:00] time zone of it all. Like, um, I, my body. Has been used to and has been really good at switching, you know, like what cadence it’s awakened asleep at because I traveled so much, but it’s been now eight months since I’ve traveled.

[00:27:14] So, uh, that, that was a weird thing to kind of get used to. So

[00:27:21] Brett: [00:27:21] If, uh,

[00:27:21] Christina: [00:27:21] otherwise I’m good.

[00:27:22] Brett: [00:27:22] if the world changes and you start traveling again, what, what are we going to do with this show? Are you going to find a way to make it work?

[00:27:31] Christina: [00:27:31] Yeah, that’s absolutely. That’s what I did with what I did with rocket. Yeah. Rocket, we never missed an episode. If anything, there were a couple of weeks that I missed, but for the most part, what would happen would be even if like the only thing that would make it weird would be if I was going to be on stage during a recording time, then there would need to be an adjustment.

[00:27:48] But there were plenty of times when I was up at ridiculous times of. The night in Europe where, um, it’s like nine or 10 hours ahead of Pacific time. [00:28:00] And so, you know, um, like, you know, uh, seven or, or, um, uh, six or seven hours ahead of, uh, Eastern time. And I would still, you know, it was like, you know, it’s like, I have to get up at two or 3:00 AM or whatever I’ll be like, okay, that’s fine.

[00:28:17] I’ll do the, I’ll do the recording. So yeah,

[00:28:19] Brett: [00:28:19] if, if that happens and we have a sponsor and we just can’t miss a week, I’m gonna, I’ll beg Ashley to, uh, to come in and cohost in your, in your absence for a week.

[00:28:32] Christina: [00:28:32] I think that would be completely fine. I think that’d be completely fine, but yeah, no, I mean, if we, um, but no, I mean, I was pretty good about like making that work also. There’s the work travel stuff. That’s such an interesting, at least for this sort of travel that I was doing, there would be, you know, speaking to the conferences and doing all that stuff, which takes a lot out of you, but then there would be additional things in, in night activities and other stuff.

[00:28:58] And so having to stay up later or [00:29:00] whatever, wouldn’t be a big deal, you know what I mean? Like, or get up earlier or whatever. Um, yeah, I mean, there, there are parts of me that, I mean, well, no, there’s a lot of me that misses travel. I miss travel a lot, but. Um, it’s, it’s just weird how much my body has, like ha has to reacclimate to that kind of stuff.

[00:29:22] And, and, but, but to be totally honest, I don’t know when I’m going to be able to do that again. Like I have a feeling at least for work stuff. It’ll probably be a very long time before that’s gonna be the case, which is a shame, but it is what it is because, you know,

[00:29:36] Brett: [00:29:36] Well, because you were traveling for conferences, right?

[00:29:39] Christina: [00:29:39] exactly.

[00:29:40] Brett: [00:29:40] Conferences. Aren’t going to be a thing for the foreseeable future.

[00:29:44] Christina: [00:29:44] Exactly. It’s all this online stuff and that’s fine, but yeah, exactly. Yeah, no, I was traveling for conferences and usually like, you know, fairly deep international travel at bat and that’s probably going to take even more time to come back or at least to the point [00:30:00] where people would want to bring people from the United States in like, I, I, I would, if I buy we’re in another country right now and we were like, yeah, you’ve got the clearance to open up.

[00:30:10] Not real sure that I would be like, yes, let’s invite speakers from the United States of America.

[00:30:16] Brett: [00:30:16] Yeah.

[00:30:16] Christina: [00:30:16] real sure I do that.

[00:30:17] Brett: [00:30:17] Yeah. I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t. So did you watch woke?

[00:30:23] Christina: [00:30:23] No, I didn’t. I had no time.

[00:30:25] Brett: [00:30:25] I gave you homework and

[00:30:27] Christina: [00:30:27] know you gave me, I know you did. I know you did. Yes. I completely failed. I’m very sorry. I did not watch woke. I haven’t watched. Anything really, except for the newest episode of the vowel, which is the show about Nexium on HBO.

[00:30:41] Brett: [00:30:41] Okay.

[00:30:42] Christina: [00:30:42] Are you familiar with

[00:30:44] Brett: [00:30:44] I am not,

[00:30:45] Christina: [00:30:45] Okay.

[00:30:46] Brett: [00:30:46] I did just get HBO though. So if there’s a show I need to watch, I can do it.

[00:30:51] Christina: [00:30:51] amazing. Okay. So succession is one that you need to watch, which I told you last week. Okay. But the vow is, I think it’s an eight part documentary series and [00:31:00] it is about this. Cult frankly called Nexium INAX. Um, I V M and it was, was it ensnared, a lot of women and a lot of people kind of presented itself as like a self health sort of thing.

[00:31:16] And then turned into, like, there was like within the organization, there was a sub-organization where. Women basically became sex slaves to the male

[00:31:26] Brett: [00:31:26] I am

[00:31:26] Christina: [00:31:26] of the whole thing. Yeah, this is, this is the thing with Alison Mack, the girl from one of the girls from Smallville, who she was like big wig on it, big wick in it.

[00:31:35] Anyway, uh, the, the documentary is really, really good. It’s I think five parts have been released so far. I’m not sure how many more left, but it’s really, really good. Um, Some of the people have been in other projects, Sarah Edmondson, who’s a Canadian actress who was like a huge recruiter in the organization.

[00:31:56] She’s the one who is pretty [00:32:00] much responsible for bringing it to the public attention and kind of getting it shut down. There had been a lot of expos A’s over the years about them and what they were doing and people are kind of complained about stuff, but she was in this women’s only organizational though.

[00:32:13] She never slept with the. The big white guy and she was branded like they branded women. Like they like, you know, like branded their skin. And when she realized that the branding was this dudes initials and that he was involved, she was just horrified. And so she got really upset and she left and she also found out more information and she left and she went to the press and ended up being a big part of a New York times story.

[00:32:38] That was that led basically to the FBI, getting involved and investigating and then getting them for, um, you know, uh, not just, uh, like tax evasion and all kinds of other kinds of things, but also like, Sex trafficking. And so she’s, uh, she was in a podcast that the CBC did [00:33:00] called, um, escaping Nexium. And that was really good, but this is a different sort of thing.

[00:33:07] What I like about the series is that, and I read one of the reviews mentioned this, so I’m stealing this from someone, but it was a really pertinent point. Most like documentaries about cults, really focus on the cult leaders themselves. And this one, doesn’t, it focuses on the victims and the people who’ve left and it kind of Chronicles the period of, of them leaving up through I’m.

[00:33:31] I’m guessing it’ll go through the trial and, and other stuff. But, um, I appreciate that that perspective is very much focused on the members. Like the individuals, the people who left the people who are the victims, rather than building behavioral graphy. Of the, the cult leader and how people could be, you know what I mean?

[00:33:50] Like it’s not really about him at all. And it’s, it’s, it’s about their experiences, which is really good. So.

[00:33:58] Brett: [00:33:58] I will, I will check it out. [00:34:00] I, uh, my, I watch blow the man down on Amazon, which was okay. But I, I indulged in one of my favorite types of movies and I’m almost embarrassed to admit how much I like heist movies, but

[00:34:15] Christina: [00:34:15] love heist movies.

[00:34:17] Brett: [00:34:17] It’s the same formula every time, but every time I have fun, um, I watched the, uh, now you see me do Oh, uh, number one is still a lot of fun.

[00:34:29] Number two does not. If you watch number one and number two in succession, number two is an awful movie. You ever watched those? Have you seen

[00:34:39] Christina: [00:34:39] know. I haven’t, I’ve never seen him at all.

[00:34:41] Brett: [00:34:41] Oh, they’re fun. Well, the first one’s fun.

[00:34:44] Christina: [00:34:44] Okay. All right. I’ll watch the first one. No, I love a good height. I kept saying, uh, to, to the crew, I was like, I would kept quoting them love and I was like, it’s nice to be working with proper villains again. Um, yeah, no, I love a good heist movie. I love, uh, the [00:35:00] Italian job.

[00:35:00] Like even the remake, you know?

[00:35:03] Brett: [00:35:03] Yeah. The remake stood on its own. It was really good.

[00:35:06] Christina: [00:35:06] good. And honestly, that was the first one. Like it took him a few more years to figure it out, but that was the first one where Shirley’s thrawn was like a badass action star. And it took a few more years for them to really like cast her in those roles. But she held her own and like, she did a lot of her own stunts driving and stuff, even though.

[00:35:23] Some of the, like, she was underestimated because I think when she was cast in that, that was before she won the Oscar for monster. And, you know, she’s like super hot and like tall and Charlie’s throng. And so, you know, they, weren’t probably treating her with respect that they should have, but, you know, um, yeah, I, um,

[00:35:45] Brett: [00:35:45] I like that Shirley’s has become an action hero.

[00:35:47] Christina: [00:35:47] I do too. I do too. Have you seen, what is it, uh, the, uh, the old guard or what is it

[00:35:52] Brett: [00:35:52] No, that’s on my list. It’s

[00:35:54] Christina: [00:35:54] It’s really

[00:35:54] Brett: [00:35:54] next up on my list actually. That’s Netflix, right?

[00:35:57] Christina: [00:35:57] Yeah. That’s Netflix. Yeah, that’s fantastic. That’s [00:36:00] really, really good.

[00:36:01] Brett: [00:36:01] Yeah. It looked good. Um, I did enjoy her in the movie she did with what’s his name? The stoner guy. Um, funny, funny guy. He did the night before. Um, you got nothing. Um, Oh man. She did a movie where she was a politician and he was, uh, okay, I’m going to lose it now.

[00:36:30] I’m going to look it up while we’re talking here so that I don’t

[00:36:35] Christina: [00:36:35] Right. Are you sooner guys? So are we talking like Seth

[00:36:37] Brett: [00:36:37] yes, yes. That’s the one Seth Rogan. And Shirley’s the Rhone. Um, um, I’m headed to, I am DB. We’re going to find this. It’s called

[00:36:52]a filmography. I love IMD be on the phone,

[00:36:57] Christina: [00:36:57] I know,

[00:36:57] Brett: [00:36:57] but it’s not, not as good on the [00:37:00] web. Um, man. I don’t see it. I hope I hope I didn’t mix up actresses. Oh, wait. This is her producer credits. Why would I want to see

[00:37:12] Christina: [00:37:12] No, it’s, it’s called it’s called long

[00:37:14] Brett: [00:37:14] Yes. That’s the one that I enjoyed that I, I’m not a stoner. Like I haven’t smoked weed since my teens, but I do enjoy Seth.

[00:37:26] And just about everything he does.

[00:37:28] Christina: [00:37:28] No, he’s great. I enjoy him too. Um, he’s he’s great. And yeah, I actually, now that I’m looking at the, uh, uh, uh, I guess poster for it, I remember this, this was fun.

[00:37:39] Brett: [00:37:39] Yeah.

[00:37:40] Christina: [00:37:40] movie. Uh, she’s, she’s very funny. That’s the thing about her, Julie. She’s a great action star, but she’s very funny. Um, I, my late uncle always, he was very right about this.

[00:37:50] We would, you know, I loved the TV show, arrested development and people really, I think a Fox, a hard time about it canceling the show. They’re like, Oh, [00:38:00] you didn’t give it a chance and whatnot. And like, That’s actually completely not true. Like Fox gave it very good time slots. Like for a period of time, it was after American idol, like American idol was its lead in.

[00:38:10] They couldn’t have done it any better. And then the third season, when yeah, they did kind of mess with the schedule, but this was after they had like a six or seven episode arc with Cheryl. The Iran

[00:38:20] Brett: [00:38:20] As the mentally

[00:38:21] Christina: [00:38:21] the ratings.

[00:38:22] Brett: [00:38:22] school

[00:38:22] Christina: [00:38:22] Yes completely. Yes. Mr. F, but, but, um, but it’s like when Charlie’s thrawn, can’t bring in viewers, like, what else are you wanting to network to do?

[00:38:32] Like, they gave it three seasons, like honestly, uh, at a certain point, you know, the way they burned it off was kind of sad or whatever, but it was like, you know, like they still. They still did air them and, and, you know, the show eventually came back to Netflix or whatever, but at a certain point, I was like, look, I love this show more than probably most people.

[00:38:51] But if Shirley, like my uncle said, he was like, if Shirley’s throwing us, I’m going to get people to watch. Like the is just not, it’s just [00:39:00] not going to work on this format and it didn’t. So, yeah. But she’s very funny. Yeah. I love that show.

[00:39:06] Brett: [00:39:06] I still quote it. Uh, and half the time I quote it and I, it takes me a while to even remember what I’m quoting from. Like, I’ll just remember the lines and there’ll be so mundane that I won’t be able to place them. And then it’ll come back to me. And then half the time, I can’t remember the name of the show.

[00:39:23] I’ll be like, Oh, it’s from, it’s from it’s from, uh, and then yeah. Then people have gotten used to that enough that they’ll just assume that I’m talking about arrested development. When I can’t remember the name of a show, even though they’ve never seen it. It’s weird. How many people never saw arrested development

[00:39:42] Christina: [00:39:42] Really I, at this point I figured out almost everybody had, but I guess it’s just kinda my own life, little

[00:39:47] Brett: [00:39:47] you’re in so insular little world. Yeah. Out in the real world, people and people may have heard of it, but they didn’t watch it. But I mean, like you said, it had basically primetime [00:40:00] slotting on box. It’s so weird that people didn’t get into it. I don’t know.

[00:40:05] Christina: [00:40:05] Well, I feel like it was especially the era when it came out, it was such a different sort of show like that was at that point. Single camera comedies were still fairly new. And the humor on it, especially how integrated the jokes were. I really feel like that was the sort of show that you got it, the more you watched it.

[00:40:26] It was one of those things that if you watch, it’s like if you got it on DVD and you watched it over and over again, and you could pick up on the little things, then you would pick up on the jokes who would pick up on the tells you would pick up on the signs. And so it was really, it was made for the streaming age it was made for binge-watching.

[00:40:42] Brett: [00:40:42] it had a lot of running jokes that wouldn’t be funny. If you didn’t have this long history there, they become like inside jokes for

[00:40:51] Christina: [00:40:51] Exactly. Well, and then they even had setups set up things like, you know, like Buster losing his hand, um, with, basically from the first episode of the second [00:41:00] season. And there were certain setups and certain jokes that even went from like somewhere in the first season that didn’t pay off until like the end of this series.

[00:41:06] But it was clear that they had. Thought about this. Like it wasn’t just a, Oh, this’ll be a funny thing. Like there were clearly like set ups for this and, and it was really smart that way, but these were things you would only know if you watched over and over again. And I remember I didn’t watch the, like, I guess like the first few episodes.

[00:41:23] But at some point I caught it. It’s first season Erin on box, and then they, they rerun it and FX ran it, I believe, um, concurrently and I was able to catch up and I then got it on DVD as soon as the first season came out on DVD. And I remember I was dating this guy who lived in another state and he was visiting me.

[00:41:40] This was when I was in college and he was Zimmy and showing him the show and us spending like a big part of his visit, just. Binge watching the entire thing and just loving him. He became a huge fan and that was the case with a lot of my friends. It’s like they would have to borrow the DVDs or buy the DVDs and people would, would see it on DVD.

[00:41:59] And [00:42:00] then when it got on streaming now on Netflix or Hulu or whatever, I think it was Netflix who had it. It was for a long time, like one of Netflix’s most popular shows. And that was why all those years later Netflix was able to make the deal and say, okay, we will help fund and bring this back. And, and, um, You know, and that didn’t work as well.

[00:42:20] Everybody had kind of moved on. They weren’t able to get people in the same rooms and, um, the way that they kind of did the setup like it, you know, they try, but you can’t, you kind of can’t re you know, capture kind of the magic. Although there were some funny things, I think, leader in that first series of episodes and then the second group, um, I think was a little bit better, but, um, yeah, I feel like that was a show where.

[00:42:43] It was both too, just slightly, just slightly ahead of it time. And then streaming was really where it would thrive. I think a similar corollary modern wise would be the good place,

[00:42:57] Brett: [00:42:57] Yeah.

[00:42:59] Christina: [00:42:59] the good place. [00:43:00] Like really, I think the reason that NBC renewed it so often, you know, we got four seasons. I don’t think NBC would have renewed it.

[00:43:06] If it hadn’t been so successful on streaming. But because it w but it’s the same thing where like, you watch it over and over again, and you catch little things and you catch the setups and, and that’s the sort of thing that’ll keep you intrigued.

[00:43:18] Brett: [00:43:18] I always kind of amazed that they managed to pull off four seasons off that premise for the good place. Uh, they

[00:43:26] Christina: [00:43:26] they did a great job with it.

[00:43:27] Brett: [00:43:27] Yeah, it was great.

[00:43:28] Christina: [00:43:28] They did an amazing job. Michael shore, uh, is one of my favorites. I love parks and recreation. I love to stuff on the office. Um, he’s, he’s awesome. Um, the office is another one, right? Like that it is, this is no longer what we’re just talking about TV now, but no, but this is actually sort of interesting.

[00:43:45] So you’re, the office obviously was successful still at NBC and it aired for nine seasons and it won Emmys and, um, it kind of revitalized their, you know, comedy kind of thing that had been there in the nineties, but it [00:44:00] was never the success that it is now. Like, The first season, that show was almost canceled and that’s very public.

[00:44:07] They only did like six episodes. And then the second season when they rebooted it and they made some very, very important changes to the characters and some of the other things, it started to build an audience. But what’s interesting is that then it kind of died off at a certain point, you know, and like they still aired it because it was a hit and had won Emmys and, and had, you know, um, you know, it was just kind of a thing.

[00:44:29] Fill their schedule. But it wasn’t like people were still watching it and talking about it all the time, then it goes to streaming and it was, I mean, this is public now, but I actually knew this before it was public because I have friends who used to work at Netflix and had access to this data. It was the most popular television show on Netflix.

[00:44:48] Like it was the most popular program on Netflix. Yes. By a pretty substantial margin.

[00:44:53] Brett: [00:44:53] I talked to so many people that hated that show.

[00:44:57] Christina: [00:44:57] What bright, but this is the interesting thing is that it became this [00:45:00] massive, massive second life on Netflix to the point that, you know, um, when Netflix lost friends, that was a big deal. And that was obviously painful for them.

[00:45:11] And, and, um, Warner brothers paid, you know, a billion dollars or some something. Something stupid. They paid some stupid amount of money to get the exclusive rights on HBO max, but the office, which is on peacock. And I believe it’s still on, on, um, Hulu right now, but it’s going to be like leaving, um, or no, it, it, uh, no it’s left that to it.

[00:45:33] It is now exclusively on, um, uh, peacock or whatever. Uh, No, I think that they have like some sort of exclusive period, but that was like a hard thing probably for them to even get like, in some ways I think losing that was probably a bigger loss for Netflix than losing friends. Just because a, I guarantee you that Netflix paid a lot more for friends.

[00:45:58] We know that they did for the final year. They [00:46:00] agree to some ridiculous, like. You know, like amount of money to pay for, for getting it for an additional year of streaming, but B I think the, just the syndication package all up, just because friends is like the most successful sitcom of all time. Like that was gonna be more expensive than the office was.

[00:46:14] And yet the office was like this not high budget shows like, like the, the cast of friends, they were making like 2 million episodes, an episode, the final season, right? Like nobody on the office ever made a million dollars an episode like Steve Carell probably got 500,000 at his peak. And, and he probably could have asked for more, but didn’t, uh, but, but certainly like, you know, uh, the next highest paid person would’ve been Rainn Wilson and, and he, he wasn’t making that kind of money.

[00:46:42] You know, this was not, no, it would be Rainn Wilson. I mean, I think Jim like was, was next in line, but, um, in terms of like, uh, Rainn Wilson got top billing after Steve Carell left.

[00:46:54] Brett: [00:46:54] Huh? I didn’t realize that I binged that show this year,

[00:46:59] Christina: [00:46:59] I love [00:47:00] that show

[00:47:00] Brett: [00:47:00] the entire thing. And I, it, it as a, as a very, if you watch the whole thing over a couple of weeks, It is really amazing. The character development that they go through and Michael, especially like, cause you don’t just develop Michael as a character, you actually watch him grow as a person and, and become an actual person because in the beginning, he’s very much, um, stunted, both in character development and as his personality. the end, you, you have this like deep feelings for Michael and really kind of a.

[00:47:43]Christina: [00:47:43] Yeah, no. And that’s the case with a lot of them. And I think that, I think that was actually what was key to making the show work because the British version was, you know, David Brent was not. A character like you, you didn’t want to sit with eyes with him. Right? Like he wasn’t that kind of guy [00:48:00] and never really evolved.

[00:48:01] Um, and that was fine. His character on extras for future based on extras is a little bit different. Right. But, but on the office, he didn’t have that and that doesn’t work on American TB. And I think that that’s what they figured out for the first six episodes is that they were trying too hard and they’re like, okay, we need to make, they, they, they made a very key change and that the change went.

[00:48:22] She made the, made him like David Brent was never competent in the first few episodes of the show. Michael, Scott’s really not competent. And you really don’t know why he’s the boss and he’s just kind of full of himself. And then it switched into this thing where it’s like, okay, he was this really amazing sales guy.

[00:48:40] And they just kept promoting him, even though he had no business being in management. And then his thing went into being like he just desperately wanted to be liked. And that’s relatable and that’s something that works and that I think is why that character grew and evolved. And like you rooted for him.

[00:48:57] And we’re like happy to see him get his happy [00:49:00] ending.

[00:49:00] Brett: [00:49:00] Yeah. I ended up seeing a lot of myself in Michael. Uh, not, it’s kind of like when I was watching that, uh, the dating show for autistic people. Um, this, uh, they were on the outside. What I always felt like on the inside and, and Michael was much like that, like the way that he would react to people, the, the thin skin that he had, um, the obtuseness he had to social cues.

[00:49:28] Who’s like, I, all of that was related to me. So I did become like emotionally invested in his, his growth and his development as a character.

[00:49:39] Christina: [00:49:39] Totally. Totally. I mean, and there were some episodes, I don’t know. It’s hard for me to watch sometimes. Cause the cringe is too much, but like the, the, the, the, the Scott’s tots episode

[00:49:46] Brett: [00:49:46] Yeah,

[00:49:48] Christina: [00:49:48] is like hard to watch

[00:49:50] Brett: [00:49:50] it is. Oh my God. Um, for anyone who hasn’t seen it, he, he basically promises a classroom of kids that if they [00:50:00] graduate high school, I think he’ll buy them or to pay for their

[00:50:04] Christina: [00:50:04] their tuition. Yeah.

[00:50:05] Brett: [00:50:05] And, and then it happens and he realizes there’s no way he could ever afford to do that. And so he has to go in and listen to their, their heart warming stories and then tell them, Oh, just kidding. It’s harsh. It’s

[00:50:21] Christina: [00:50:21] Honestly, honestly, even you talking about it, like, I feel like shills, like it’s one of those things that’s like, and, and, and what’s, that was, uh, also though, like there there’s like a song, like, like, Hey, mr. Scott, what’s she gonna do? You know, what’s you got to do, what are your dreams come true? And, um, the character Aaron that, um, uh, uh, Ellie, um, Kimball, Kemper played, uh, like, is it she’s and I loved her character.

[00:50:47] I really did like the way that she is with him. When they’re in that school. Wow. Yeah, that that’s good TV. Um, one of my favorite moments from earlier in quarantine [00:51:00] was the, it was the anniversary of the airing of the episode, the dinner party. That’s the one where we’re we’re we’re Jan and Michael had the dinner party.

[00:51:09] Brett: [00:51:09] Yeah. And they have the big fight and everyone. Yeah.

[00:51:13] Christina: [00:51:13] Yeah. And so, um, the office Twitter account and, and some of the people like live tweeted it and there was like a live viewing of it. It was pretty great. Uh, yeah. Um, yeah, no. So, so it is still on Netflix, but it will be going to officially a peacock exclusively in January, but yeah. Um, it’s one of those shows that like, whenever it goes on sales, on iTunes, I use this app called cheap charts and I get alerts and I always like tell my friends who I know are really into it.

[00:51:40] I’m like, okay, the whole series is $30. Buy it, you know? So you can watch it when it leaves Netflix or whatever. Um, because yeah, it’s just one of those things. Like I. I have, I have the iTunes version. I also have it on blue Ray. I have various things on DVDs. I’ve I’ve gotten a lot of enjoyment out of that show.

[00:51:57] Brett: [00:51:57] So speaking of quarantine and going back [00:52:00] to Sharley surrounds filmography, have you watched any of the, uh, the princess bride, TB shorts

[00:52:08] Christina: [00:52:08] I have not.

[00:52:10] Brett: [00:52:10] like,

[00:52:10] Christina: [00:52:10] I know they’re doing like readings.

[00:52:12] Brett: [00:52:12] Right. And it’s basically, they’re acting it out. And every scene is different actors playing the characters and they do like a live reading of it and they act it out, but all in like, uh, like iPhone photography and from their homes.

[00:52:32] And if you have nostalgia for the princess bride, which most of my generation seems to have like. Severe enoughness solid jet for the princess bride. Um, it’s, it’s kind of a delight to watch.

[00:52:44] Christina: [00:52:44] Yeah. Okay. So this is where I have to admit, um, and I’m going to lose my, all my nerd cred. Well, nah, I don’t think all of it cause I’m I have enough to get back in other ways. I’m not a big fan.

[00:52:55] Brett: [00:52:55] no, it’s a very select like it was, [00:53:00] I think my sister liked it even more than I did, but it was very much like this. Kind of, I think maybe eight year span of people age wise, who just found it to be like the pinnacle of the fairy tale that we needed at the time. And it became like a lifelong obsession of sorts.

[00:53:26] And you can just say, as you, as you wish, and people within that eight year span of time, Will immediately know what you’re talking about and, and like start reminiscing about all their favorite lines from the movie. But yeah, it’s not, it’s not that amazing of a movie, but I, I love it.

[00:53:51] Christina: [00:53:51] Yeah, I don’t have it’s it’s yeah, it’s a weird thing. I, um, Like my sister wasn’t into it at all. And that wouldn’t have been her type of humor. [00:54:00] And, but she she’s in the outright right age range. And then, I mean, I guess I technically am, I’m like, I’m on like the bottom end of it or whatever. But then my cousin Cole, who’s three years older than me.

[00:54:10] Really liked it. And his younger sister, Alison who’s 40 is older than me was like obsessed with anything that her brother wanted. So she really liked it. And so they would watch it all the time and they lived down the street. So they would watch that all the time they would watch, uh, what was like top secret.

[00:54:28] Um, and, and, and there was like, Other other movies with, with, uh, with Val Kilmer, like there was just, there was like a, there were other Carrie Juelz movies. Like they were just really into that stuff. Like, they’re really like Robin hood men in tights,

[00:54:41] Brett: [00:54:41] Real

[00:54:41] Christina: [00:54:41] like this. Yeah. Real genius. That’s thank you.

[00:54:44] That, that, that one loved real genius. The watch that all the time. And I just, like, I don’t know when they were really, really, really into it, which was when I was in elementary school. I was just like, I don’t care. Um, and so, um, I think that a lot of [00:55:00] people like loved it from like rewatching it over and over again as kids.

[00:55:04] And, um, I know why people like it, and I think it’s funny, it’s just for whatever reason, it’s one of those weird movies that I don’t have a lot of personal kind of association with. And so it has always been one of those weird movies for me to be like, Oh yeah. Um, love the princess bride. Cause like, I don’t like I don’t dislike it.

[00:55:24] I just don’t really. I don’t know, I just don’t really care, but I have, but I haven’t really

[00:55:29] Brett: [00:55:29] you’re not alone in that.

[00:55:31]Christina: [00:55:31] but I have been really excited to see how excited other people have been with the various readings. I just haven’t watched any of them, which is I don’t care enough, but like, I think that’s actually pretty awesome.

[00:55:40] And I like that people are bringing that sort of nostalgia and we’ve seen some other things like that too. Like there was a, a reading of, um, uh, fast times at Ridgemont high, uh, if the screenplay and that was pretty cool. So, and

[00:55:53] Brett: [00:55:53] I never got into that movie.

[00:55:55] Christina: [00:55:55] Yeah, me either. I mean, that movie is way, way. I mean, that movie came out, I think before I was born, but, [00:56:00] um, but I’m a huge Cameron Crowe fan and I’ve watched that movie and like that was Amy Heckerling, first film that she directed and she directed clueless, which is one of my favorite movies ever, ever, ever.

[00:56:11] And Fast Times is a movie that could not be made today in any way. Uh, the abortion would never be allowed. The abortion it’s amazing was allowed in, in 1982 or whatever, but, um, but it’s a great teen comedy. And, um, so yeah, I, I’ve enjoyed seeing some of these types of things. The West wing is doing some stuff right now to, to try to encourage people to vote.

[00:56:33] They’re doing like West wing reunions and, and, and readings. And, um, I mean, that’s one of the upsides of everybody kind of being stuck at home and bored. Oh, yeah. Oh yeah. I love to the West wing though. My only issue with the West wing was that it interfered with Dawson’s Creek for a period of time. And so I obviously watched Dawson’s Creek and then would record and like watch the West wing, like later. But yeah.

[00:56:58] Brett: [00:56:58] Yeah. I never got into [00:57:00] either of those shows.

[00:57:01]Christina: [00:57:01] Yeah. I,

[00:57:02] um,

[00:57:03] Brett: [00:57:03] I’m told, I’m told, I would appreciate the West wing. Now, just the idea of a reminiscing about having a. A sane, competent president.

[00:57:14] Christina: [00:57:14] Yeah. Yeah. I um, of the two, you definitely like the West wing more, although I think that you would appreciate the West wing. I don’t think that that’s like one of your shows though.

[00:57:25] Brett: [00:57:25] Yeah. I appreciate that. We like, I just, I had breakfast with my parents this morning. And as we’ve talked about in the past, my parents and I disagree on just about anything political. Um, and so I’m in that mode where I talk about anything, but, and we managed to get through an hour of this show without really talking about the horrible situation that politics is in right now.

[00:57:57] And, and we don’t need to change that [00:58:00] because

[00:58:00] Christina: [00:58:00] no, I don’t want to that’s. That was by design. I was going to say, this is kind of by design for me. If I’m being completely honest with you, I can’t, it upsets me so much. That I like, I don’t want it to be part of the stuff that I output to people. If that makes any sense.

[00:58:19] Brett: [00:58:19] Yeah. Yeah. I feel

[00:58:21] Christina: [00:58:21] not that it’s, it’s not that I don’t care it’s that I care so deeply.

[00:58:25] And it’s so depressing to me that I don’t want to turn something that I enjoy and that I look forward to doing, which is the show with you. I don’t want to turn it into. A discourse on that stuff, at least from my effective, if you want to go off on it, I’m more than happy to listen to you do it. I just I’m like emotionally exhausted.

[00:58:41] I don’t want to, I don’t want to do that.

[00:58:43] Brett: [00:58:43] no, I have had to stop every day. I have to put a limit on how much news I can read. Uh, and how many tweets about American fascism I’m allowed to send out before I have to put a cap on it? It’s back [00:59:00] to cute kitty photos. Cause it is mentally draining and you’re in an abusive relationship with our country that is leading to PTSD people.

[00:59:12] And it’s good. Be long lasting ramifications. Well, beyond the current president. Yeah. See, and it is it’s. It is mentally, uh, not just draining, but seriously stress inducing and yeah, no, we can avoid that for now. That’s fine.

[00:59:31] Christina: [00:59:31] Yeah, no. The only thing I was going to say is while we were talking, actually I got a text from vote.org is like election day is coming up. Would you like to verify your voter registration, reply, why to check now? And I am registered and the state of Washington, this is very interesting given the whole thing is strictly vote by mail.

[00:59:49] Like that is the only way you vote. We that, and that’s been the case for quite some time. And so, uh, I will be, I will be voting by mail. Um, The same way every other citizen [01:00:00] will, but, uh, just a reminder, I, I’m not sure when the deadlines are in some States they might have already passed, but you know, if you aren’t registered register and regardless of your, I thought like vote is it’s so important to vote.

[01:00:16] Brett: [01:00:16] My ballot was received on Wednesday.

[01:00:20] Christina: [01:00:20] Amazing. Yeah, I haven’t received ours haven’t because the whole state is we haven’t received them yet, but as soon as they come in, I will be voting. And, um, yeah, I just

[01:00:31]Brett: [01:00:31] I voted for the legalized marijuana party for president. I’m just kidding. I’m just kidding.

[01:00:38] Christina: [01:00:38] don’t even, don’t even see now I’m going to have PTSD thinking about all the assholes I worked with at Gawker who were like. Because we lived in New York and they were just so sure that that Hillary was gonna win. Did they like made a big deal out of themselves being like, yeah. You know, we didn’t have to, um, Uh, we didn’t like, they wrote articles about [01:01:00] either why they didn’t vote or who they voted for or whatever.

[01:01:02] And a lot of the women like this before the results came out, like we were chastising them, especially like the decibel, uh, reporters were like, this is really gross. And this is really like elitist and, and, you know, you’re really like publicly taking a position is making you look like a jackass. And then we were all together as we were watching.

[01:01:21] The results come in, feeling sicker and sicker. And I left, you know, after midnight and it was just like this horrible thing. And the next day, you know, it rain, it was just, I don’t know, I’m just having flashbacks to that. So yeah. Vote and don’t vote for Gary Johnson or Jill Stein or

[01:01:38] Brett: [01:01:38] whoever the fuck it is here.

[01:01:40] Christina: [01:01:40] Yeah. And I don’t fucking care. Like just like, like vote out this guy, like period, like.

[01:01:45] Brett: [01:01:45] I am no fan of Biden. I have a lot of problems with Biden. I am not a fan of the corporate duopoly of our political system, but the damage done by the GOP and the potential damage that could do in the next [01:02:00] four years is not worth taking some kind of a principled stand on it. Uh, just.

[01:02:06] Christina: [01:02:06] frankly. Yeah. And I would actually argue that it is not a principled stand. I would say that, that if you actually care about getting to a point where you can hold those principles, like. It’s not a principle stand to let fascism takeover, like, honestly, like I think that is actually incredibly unprincipled to see fascism and say, well, I’m not going to do my part to stop this because the alternative is not as good as I would like, like, sorry.

[01:02:35] Fuck that. No

[01:02:36] Brett: [01:02:36] Yup. Agreed. Agreed.

[01:02:39] Christina: [01:02:39] all right. And now, now, now we can be done on the, on the topic. Cause otherwise we’ll both go on, but yeah.

[01:02:43] Brett: [01:02:43] Plus, or w w we hit our hour with, with no notes and we, we, we covered a lot of TV and a very shallow dive into politics. I, we, we pulled off we’ll call it, not like peek over tired. [01:03:00] It’s not, not, not one of our classic episodes and you didn’t get to have any really amazing rants about nineties, teen, uh, soap stuff.

[01:03:12] But I feel like we pulled off a classic episode of overtired.

[01:03:16] Christina: [01:03:16] I feel like, I feel like we did too. Like, this is this good, like middle of the road. This is like a very good like standard episode. Um, so all right. I still need to watch woke. You need to watch succession or the bow or something else. Do we, do I have any other homework from you?

[01:03:30] Brett: [01:03:30] Um, remind me, I think I asked you last time, but did you see modern love? Okay. I would like to discuss at least episode three, um, at some point,

[01:03:42] Christina: [01:03:42] Yes. Okay. Put that. We’ll, we’ll put that on, on our list because I would very much like to talk about that too. I need to go back and remind myself what episode three was, but yeah, I really liked modern love.

[01:03:52] Brett: [01:03:52] Woke isn’t of like high importance. I thought it was a great show and they did a really good job of [01:04:00] talking about it’s about like a black guy in San Francisco actually played by Winston from the new girl and he kind of goes through, he’s a cartoonist writing, very inoffensive milk toast cartoons, literally about toast.

[01:04:18] And. Uh, it goes through kind of an awakening after he’s, uh, uh, attacked by police and kind of begins to see the black plate from the inside. And he goes through a hole it’s, it’s interesting and relevant, but it wasn’t like, uh, it wasn’t so earth shattering that you have to watch this. So if you get a chance and you

[01:04:42] Christina: [01:04:42] I’ll I’ll I’ll check it out. I’ll check it out. Also. Have you seen penis, uh, on, um, uh,

[01:04:47] Brett: [01:04:47] 10 15. I watched a couple episodes. It didn’t, it didn’t hook me.

[01:04:53] Christina: [01:04:53] Okay. Cause the second season just came out. But at that, and honestly that kind of makes sense. Like that is completely my shit because it is [01:05:00] girls who are my age recreating, like their teenage hoods, like from what I like, it’s great. But yeah. Pin 15 or, or penis is, uh, is, is really good. And, or at least I think is really good, but I can understand why without wouldn’t be your thing.

[01:05:14] Brett: [01:05:14] I will admit it wasn’t until after I saw those two episodes that I realized what Penn 15 was that it, that it was peanuts. Yes.

[01:05:24] Christina: [01:05:24] How dude,

[01:05:25] Brett: [01:05:25] Just, I wasn’t tuned in, in that way.

[01:05:29] Christina: [01:05:29] but like you didn’t spell boobs on your calculator.

[01:05:31]Brett: [01:05:31] Yes, boobs, but yeah. Yeah. I just, if a show came out right now named eight Oh Oh eight, five, I don’t know that I would see it as boom. It’s like, I’m kind of removed from the, the TEI. Uh,

[01:05:48] Christina: [01:05:48] Well, congratulations on being an adult. Not all of a sudden have gotten there. Congratulations. Spread for being, for being mature.

[01:05:55] Brett: [01:05:55] yeah. Rub it in. All right. Well, I [01:06:00] hope you have a good week. We didn’t even talk about what you’re headed off to do.

[01:06:04] Christina: [01:06:04] Oh, yeah, a real quickly, just people know there’s a great podcast called again with this, uh, Beverly Hills and, and also actually now Melrose place. Cause they got through and I have to winnow and Tara, Ariana and Sarah bunting who created the website television without pity. Um, Recap, every single episode of Beverly Hills.

[01:06:23] I know she went, Oh, and they skewer it and they just released a book about like the a hundred greatest nine to two and two episodes. And there is an Austin television festival zoom thing today. Uh, around their book that, uh, one of their former colleagues who now hosts the pop culture happy hour or whatever on MPR is hosting.

[01:06:45] And I got an invite to be an audience member, whatever the hell that means in a virtual context.

[01:06:51] Brett: [01:06:51] You should be a panel member.

[01:06:53] Christina: [01:06:53] I should be a panel member. This is completely correct. You are 1000% correct, but I am not, they have no [01:07:00] idea I exist, but I’m a big fan of their podcasts. And funny story, you will appreciate this. Brett I’ve made grant listened to it.

[01:07:06] I don’t know how many years ago, but I made him listen to it when we were doing drives and whatnot, it would be like on my, on my podcast. And then it got to the point, he was like, Hey. Let’s what was that podcast? Let’s listen to that. And then he started listening to it on its own. And he’s still several years behind because they go through like every single episode, but he he’s, you know, relisting to old things.

[01:07:26] And, uh, it’s hilarious that like, he became like a fan, like independent. Of like, it went from being a thing that he was like rolling his eyes about being forced to listen to she being something that he like actively seeks out. And when he saw that there was a book which came out this week and I saw the same thing.

[01:07:44] Like I immediately ordered the, um, like the, the hard cover books so that we could have it. And then I also got it on audible so we could listen to it. So, yeah.

[01:07:54] Brett: [01:07:54] If you ever apply to be a guest or a cohost on a show like that, I will be your character [01:08:00] witness.

[01:08:00] Christina: [01:08:00] Okay, thank you. I appreciate that. Um, yeah, I think that, uh, yeah, again, they have no idea who I am, but I’m a big fan of theirs. So that’s what I’m going to do. I’m going to, this is, this is my pop culture nineties ramp for the week. Cause I’m literally going off to listen to people who got paid to do a podcast.

[01:08:18] And now write a book about my favorite TV show from childhood.

[01:08:25] Brett: [01:08:25] Well, I hope you have fun.

[01:08:27] Christina: [01:08:27] Thank you. Thank you. And hope that you have a good week. And, uh, I will, I will put, woke on my list and, uh, next week will be a more normal episode. We’ll both, hopefully be well rested and back on our normal schedule.

[01:08:41] Brett: [01:08:41] Well, rested to record over tired.

[01:08:44] Christina: [01:08:44] Well, I mean, yeah, I mean, as well, rested as we can be, like, we have insomnia that is sort of the thesis of the show.

[01:08:51] Brett: [01:08:51] You know what you need to be well, rested. Get some sleep Christiana.

[01:08:56] Christina: [01:08:56] Thank you. Right? You get some sleep.