203: Forced to Watch Cats

Brett works to overcome his Gen-X-ness as he and Christina discuss a Taylor Swift theme park, technical woes, and some classic movies.


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Christina and Brett-1

[00:00:00]Brett: [00:00:00] Welcome to episode two Oh three of over-tired with Brett Terpstra. That’s me and Christina Warren. How’s it going, Christina?

[00:00:08]Christina: [00:00:08] Well, I’ve been having a, I’ve been having some tech issues for the last, like 36 hours. So that’s definitely keeping me up and frustrated at night, but, uh, other than that pretty good. How about you Brett?

[00:00:22]Brett: [00:00:22] Well, I’ve been having my own tech issues, but only for the last like two hours. So we’ll have w w we’ll set aside a section of the show. Because we’re going to start with some Taylor Swift stuff that I, I have a surprising amount to say about it, but I don’t want it to be the whole show.

[00:00:41]Christina: [00:00:41] Yeah, no, let’s start with this. Cause, cause I sent you this. So, so give, give, give people the, the, the backstory, cause I texted you this, I did not know what your response was going to be and I still don’t. So.

[00:00:51] Brett: [00:00:51] Um, okay. So on Wednesday I got a text from Christina that just said must watch for the pod. And it was a link to [00:01:00] a YouTube video titled I designed a Taylor Swift theme park with 60 plus attractions and it was a half hour long video. And I grown, I believe my response was good Lord. And. I, uh, I put off watching it until today until the day we were going to record them, like, Oh shit, I gotta, I gotta do my homework and watch this video.

[00:01:25] And it ended up being a, a very soul searching experience for me because like my first reaction was. This guy is insane. Um, the, there should be like medical and everything engine here. And then over the course of watching it two more times, I realized that I have this very gen X, like I’m not allowed to like anything it’s against the rules for me to be excited about anything.

[00:01:57] It is uncool. To like things [00:02:00] and that’s my whole generation. That’s where, that’s how we approach all new things. And I realized I don’t love that. I, I don’t, I don’t want that to be my legacy. So I’m going to look at this. Let’s pretend this guy is my kid. Let’s pretend I have a kid who’s displaying this amount of creativity, this amount of passion about something.

[00:02:21] There’s no way I wouldn’t love it. And so I kind of, I watched it again with the kind of the perspective of. This kid is like crazy creative, super going like his attention to detail on this is, is it’s frightening, but it’s, it’s impressive. And ultimately, I came out with a bunch of notes about my favorite parts of it.

[00:02:41] So what did you think Christina?

[00:02:45]Christina: [00:02:45] I’m a millennial who was, was told that everything, um, that I feel in do is ballad and that I should be special. Um, even though, uh, I I’ve been telling my shrink since I was 19 years old, that I wanted to write a book called [00:03:00] you are not special. Um, uh, you know, a love letter to my generation. Um, I, uh, I obviously didn’t, I didn’t grow up with that whole perspective of like, you have to hate everything.

[00:03:11] In fact, I think that I’m not the same extent that gen Z, which this kid is, uh, but you know, we, we tend to like things and embrace things a lot. So my, my take was, I was just like, this is so creative. This is so insane. I was with you when I first, when I saw it on Twitter, I was like, Oh, I’m going to watch this.

[00:03:29] And then I saw it was like 30 minutes and I was like, God damn. I love Taylor Swift. I love what this does, but this is 30 minutes. This is going to be a lot, so found time to do it. And then I was like, okay, I’m, I’m here for all of this. This is genius. And I just to, I want somebody to like, make it in like the Sims or rollercoaster tycoon or, you know, something like that.

[00:03:51]Brett: [00:03:51] Okay. So. It starts out with a, well, he goes through the whole, the entrance to the park and everything, but one of the [00:04:00] first things he talks about yeah. Is, uh, the bad blood Swiss cycle. Like it’s a ride where you’re actually on the motorcycles from bad blood. And that immediately, that’s a good idea.

[00:04:12] That is like certain, certain Taylor songs or certain Taylor video, I should say. We’re kind of made for adaptation into theme park rides. It gets way more abstract from there, but there were touches the stay, stay, stay. Hotel was great. Get these little Easter eggs. And, uh, he talked about, this is a thing I didn’t know existed, but Taylor’s inner circle.

[00:04:36] This group of people that apparently have Oliver albums well in advance and all the B sides and everything, whatever. But he hid like a circle. There’s just, it’s just a circle in the

[00:04:49] Christina: [00:04:49] Yeah. It’s just a circle for them. Yeah,

[00:04:51] Brett: [00:04:51] that represents Taylor’s inner circle. Some of it was a bit on the nose, but, um, I had a question.

[00:04:58] At one point, [00:05:00] he, he has an attraction that starts out with a live spelling bee where you learn that spelling is fun. What is that a reference to.

[00:05:08] Christina: [00:05:08] So in the single me that came out in 2019 with Brandon Yuri. The fandom universally hated the song wasn’t that successful. There was initially an interstitial in the song where she was like, Hey, kids, spelling is fun. And, and, and then they go, you know, um, you know, uh, Uh, and then they of like spelling words out because you, you know, uh, cause you can’t spell awesome without me, you know?

[00:05:36] Uh, and so that’s what, that’s our fun, stupid. What was funny is that she clearly heard the feedback from the fans who were very vocal about hating that or making fun of that interstitial because regular people don’t care. It was Stan, Twitter and tumbler. That was like just, you know, an honestly, not even like vocally hating on it so much, just like.

[00:05:58] Like making memes and [00:06:00] making fun of it. Uh, she clearly saw that because when the album came out, the interstitial was removed from the song. Like that one line, Hey, kids spelling is fun, was actually removed from the song. So on the album, you can’t hear that anymore. So that’s

[00:06:13] Brett: [00:06:13] Peer pressure.

[00:06:14] Christina: [00:06:14] great.

[00:06:15] No, totally. But also that was a bad song. I like Brandon URI a whole lot. Uh, and that was, I’ll never forget. I was in, I was, was I in Amsterdam or was I, uh, no, I was in Stockholm. I was in Stockholm when, which is perfect because, you know, I had like Stockholm syndrome, basically. I was in Stockholm when the song was released.

[00:06:34] And honestly, my gut instinct was to be like, what is this? But because it’s Taylor, I had to be, I had to like find a way to convince myself that I was like into it and loved it and was super excited even though like in my deep heart of hearts, I was not feeling it. Um, I want to be liking much of the rest of the album when that came out, but that first song, man, that was, uh, that was a struggle.

[00:07:00] [00:06:59] Uh, and so, uh, yeah, so that’s, that’s the spelling bee.

[00:07:02] Brett: [00:07:02] Okay. Um, he had a lounge set aside for people who hadn’t met Taylor Swift, which there were certain areas of the park that he made sure to let us know. We’re going to have limited capacity like this, this section is for real thrill seekers. That’s why it has a limited capacity. And to me, when you’re planning out a very fantastical theme park planning in advance for like your, the lines and the waiting queues and everything that is that’s kind of genius, but he had a lounge that he didn’t put a capacity limit on.

[00:07:36] That was for people who hadn’t met Taylor Swift, that seemed. Has Taylor Swift met a lot more people than I think.

[00:07:43]Christina: [00:07:43] Well, she does historically, like maybe not as much anymore, but she does do that at least with her diehard fans where she meets them. And I’m like, I think that there was something she did one time where she did like, I don’t know, like 13 hours straight of a meet and greet. [00:08:00] And this was after she was already really famous where, you know, she was in Nashville and like sat someplace and took photos and met people for like 13 hours straight, which, um, you know what, even if you’re really.

[00:08:13] Even if you’re not famous, that’s a lot, but if you’re really famous and even if it is partially just kind of a PR exercise, that’s impressive. Cause I honestly can’t imagine like just the emotional toll of having to be on for that long. Uh, she does meet people, uh, and she does these things that she’s done for the last few years.

[00:08:31] Uh, she obviously didn’t do it with the latest album where she has these secret sessions, where she invites, you know, select bands to her houses where they’ll hear the album in advance. Um, I think what he was probably referring to is I’m guessing here, I don’t know, is that at least, especially with like the diehard Swifties and I’m not one of them.

[00:08:52] I mean, I keep up with their antiques online because it’s interesting to me, but I’m clearly both too old and too like, uh, abused by the [00:09:00] whole thing to actually be part of it where they, they keep track of the same people that get to meet her more than once. And, um, there’s like, Oh, there there’s incredible amounts of, of axed and drama over that.

[00:09:13] So she’s met a lot of people, but I think that this was probably more a reference to, you know, the fact that it seems like there are certain fans that she meets that have like four photos with her and Taylor nation, like her fan site people or whatever, who handle a lot of that. Like apparently there are supposed to be rules where, you know, you can’t have met Taylor.

[00:09:34] You know, within the last, however many years, you know, to be able to get a meet and greet opportunity again. Um, but they don’t police that cause how could you police that? Right? So that the fans try to be like the police, like, well, no, she met her drain, you know, this era and dah, dah, dah. I know he has four photos with her and dah, dah, dah, dah.

[00:09:52] And I’m like, dude, Taylor doesn’t know any of these people. Like she smiled and took a photo, honestly. She [00:10:00] took a photo and was like smiled. And honestly the fact that she had to go to court. Because when she did a meet and greet a radio, DJ grabbed her ass and then sued her when he was fired. And she had to like go through that whole thing.

[00:10:13] I think that we should be happy that she meets and takes photos with anyone at all. Because like I tell you what if that happened to me? And I had hundreds of millions of dollars and I had to go to court because someone, some older dude like violated me and then had the nerve to Sue me when he was fired for his actions.

[00:10:29] No way in hell I would ever do any sort of like. You know, public meet and greet ever again.

[00:10:35]Brett: [00:10:35] Yeah, no, I

[00:10:36] Christina: [00:10:36] that’s my own aside

[00:10:38] Brett: [00:10:38] There’s some, you’ve just described a whole bunch of really entitled people.

[00:10:43]Christina: [00:10:43] and teenagers. Yes. Which this guy I think is like 21. So, so I include him in this a little bit, but yeah.

[00:10:51] Brett: [00:10:51] Um, so she, she goes through every album. Like every album has a, uh, a land there’s lover land and [00:11:00] in 1989 land. And, um, he eventually gets to, and he, he says at the beginning that he kind of had to like folklore came out after he had designed this park. So he had to. Uh, revamp the whole thing to fit folklore in a, which feels to me like he’s not planning for the future.

[00:11:19] Cause clearly she’s putting out more albums, but, uh, the folklore river ride is the only place where it got a little bit literal, uh, for my taste. Uh, he had like a movie theater just so that you could see people exiting the side door based on one line of a song. And the piano player is specifically wearing Levi’s jeans again in reference to a single line. His reference for the lakes was a Lake and he a tight rope with mirror balls on it.

[00:11:51] Like all of these very literal or literal interpretations of lines from songs, it was a little worrisome there.

[00:11:58]Christina: [00:11:58] Yeah. See, I have a [00:12:00] feeling that this was, you know, what that felt like to me, it was like, okay, you’ve done this project. You’ve, you’re finished. This, this thing comes out of nowhere. And now you have to like, suddenly. Like, you know, pivot and, and you don’t have time. Like, you don’t have the emotional energy to go back and recreate and redesign things.

[00:12:18] You just need to make it work. So you’re just like, literally I have a feeling, he was probably like had like, you know, rap genius up and was like going through the lyrics. And it was like, all right, what do I need for this? And just, you know, like it was literally, the project is due tomorrow and it’s 11:00

[00:12:34] Brett: [00:12:34] Well, and he had years to work on the rest of it. He clearly had been thinking about it for a long time, and now he’s got like a month to put together, uh, for folklore land.

[00:12:45] Christina: [00:12:45] exactly. So I’m with you. I love that one. Not as best work. Uh, also I agree with you, like, he has not thought about expansion, like, you know, think like Walt Disney think like, uh, think like the, you know, the theme park, people think like, you know, um, the, the Roy’s [00:13:00] in succession, like you have to think about how you’re going to expand your theme park.

[00:13:05] Um, And, uh, and at least at the very least have like areas that you could connect to other plots of land so that you can have the second half of Harry Potter world, or, you know, Disney, California adventure, or whatever the case may be, because yeah, she’s going to need her own Epcot at some point, she’s going to need her own, um, you know, like other, uh, you know, the, the, the, the Simpson’s world and universal studios, like she’s going to need her own, uh, additional areas because.

[00:13:33] I mean, awesome. Awesome. Like, I feel like there could have been an entire dedicated experience just to cats, even though that was terrible. Like, I just feel like that was something that, that, that should have had a thing to like, honestly like the theater. Okay. Actually, that’s what he should have done the theater for folklore, a unit for that thing.

[00:13:49] The thing is the theater. You you’re forced to watch cats. That’s what that is. That’s what that ride is. And that’s why it’s the most terrifying ride in the entire park is you have to sit and watch cats [00:14:00] and that’s it.

[00:14:01] Brett: [00:14:01] He, uh, he had a, you need to calm down trailer park right next to the pop queen pageant with the meet and greet for all of the drag queen pop stars. Yeah, I w w okay. Tell me about Taylor and Katz.

[00:14:17]Christina: [00:14:17] She loves them.

[00:14:18] Brett: [00:14:18] D is this a common topic for her?

[00:14:21] Christina: [00:14:21] Yes.

[00:14:22] Brett: [00:14:22] Cause he had the state of grace performance palace with cat shows. Okay.

[00:14:27] So the, the one that I think at first, I was like, that’s ridiculous and stupid. And then I caught myself and said, wait a second. This is actually kind of genius. Was this speak now snowplow attraction, where you drive a snowplow and your goal is to pile up snow in front of the church, still to delay the man.

[00:14:53] The wedding so that Taylor can tell him how she really feels and, and he had it. So [00:15:00] there there’s only so many different tracks to snowplow can wait or take. And it always, it always has a happy ending, not for the guy, but for Taylor. And, but like this idea that it’s, you it’s interactive. Like you still, you get to make choices in this whole, uh, fantasy, winter Wonderland that he has inside this building.

[00:15:21] No, it was not.

[00:15:22]Christina: [00:15:22] Yeah. Yeah, no, I liked that. I liked that. I really did. Like, as you put it, it’s like, it’s not a happy ending for anybody, but Taylor, you know, uh, the poor girl who thinks that she’s gonna marry the guy, right? Like no one ever, no one ever thinks about bad girl in the, in this speak now song like. No, no one ever thinks about her at like, you know, just, I mean, which makes sense.

[00:15:44] I mean, that, that’s the person that, uh, that we don’t want to think of as similar to, uh, to, to, to friends, which is one of Taylor’s favorite shows where, you know, when, when Rachel, um, W when Ross said, I take the Rachel, uh, at, in the wedding vows and everybody dies. [00:16:00] Uh, you know, nobody really thinks about the poor Emily.

[00:16:02] Everybody’s just like, yeah, we didn’t like her. Just get her out of there. And that was me I’m with them. I’m like, yeah, screw Emily. But then you go back and you watch the show and you’re like, well, Ross really ruined her life. And, and like, it was just entertainment for removal. Like Ross really ruined her life.

[00:16:17] Like, you know, she was going to like, yeah, anyway,

[00:16:21] Brett: [00:16:21] Yeah, you gotta, you gotta know who you’re cheering for, ultimately. Um, so in short to summarize. This, uh, this very, uh, savant video, um, that I’m, I’m not diagnosing anything. Like he seems like a very nice kid. Uh, I, it, it leads to some questions for me, but I learned more about Taylor Swift through this, uh, theme park visitation of her albums.

[00:16:52] Then I did, uh, talking to you for how many years now.

[00:16:58] Christina: [00:16:58] Exactly six. [00:17:00] Yeah, no I I’m with you. And like, I’m not going to diagnose anybody either, because it’s not fair. I, but savant, like, I definitely think like if there was a spectrum thing would not be surprised. Uh, uh, very impressed though. This is one of I, I saw it and I was like, This is insane. And we have to talk about this because I didn’t think that you would take it this seriously.

[00:17:21] And I loved it. Like you got this into it, because my whole thing, I was just like I would there’s I try to think I’m like, okay, Christina, is this ever anything you would have spent this much time on? And I don’t know. I think maybe if I were really into theme parks and I were like 13 or

[00:17:39] Brett: [00:17:39] Yeah, that’s exactly it. I would have absolutely done this when I was 10.

[00:17:44] Christina: [00:17:44] Yeah. Yeah. Like, especially if like the, with the pandemic, when like you can’t go anywhere and you have nothing to do, like, this is the sort of thing that I would have done. Right. Uh, he’s a little bit older, which is also why it’s better. But I do honestly have to say, like, by the time I was his age, [00:18:00] no, we would not have done it.

[00:18:02] Having said that very glad that he did, because it’s fun to think about. And now I’m hoping that other people who have more time. And passions in this than me genuinely do like make a digital version of this in rollercoaster tycoon or the Sims or, or something grant that Datto, um, you know, any of the open world kind of moddable games, because I feel like that would be really cool.

[00:18:25]Brett: [00:18:25] Yeah. So,

[00:18:27] Christina: [00:18:27] I definitely, I definitely want to like be, I definitely want like some sort of mod at least of the bad, bad blood, you know, motorcycles.

[00:18:34] Brett: [00:18:34] yeah, I would play that, that video is fun. That was the tailor. That was the tailor I can most easily appreciate. Always.

[00:18:42] Christina: [00:18:42] well that’s peak Taylor.

[00:18:44]Brett: [00:18:44] Um, so I’m getting all these notifications from Slack right now because my friend, uh, Harold Chris Harold, his name’s Christopher, but he goes by Harold. So we just call him Harold, Chris, Harold.

[00:18:56] Um, Uh, you may know him as Harold Dena on [00:19:00] Twitter. Anyway, he’s telling me that, uh, listening to our last overtired, he says, the more I listened to the two of you, the more I’m convinced I have ADHD. And I have to say, uh, if there’s one thing that this show exists for is to very casually and unprofessionally allow people to self diagnose themselves with mental conditions.

[00:19:21]Christina: [00:19:21] That’s exactly it, it is, it is absolutely. I will Sue, I will Sue. Um, and also, you know, like Harold, Chris, Harold, I don’t know if you have ADHD or not only a doctor can tell you that, but, uh, but you probably do. Cause I think most people do so, uh, welcome to the family.

[00:19:39]Brett: [00:19:39] Oh, we’re, we’re not good for the mental health community. Apparently. get up, get a lot of people to pay that $800 for the test though.

[00:19:47]Christina: [00:19:47] Mean, see if only we got like residuals off of that.

[00:19:51]Brett: [00:19:51] Right. Um, I, I, I’m afraid that’s how too much of the medical industry works already.

[00:19:57] Christina: [00:19:57] I agree with you. And I think technically [00:20:00] that’s supposed to be illegal, but it exists anyway. Unfortunately it would be, for some reason, we wouldn’t be able to do that, but yeah.

[00:20:06]Brett: [00:20:06] Yeah. So. As I was taking these notes on, on this, uh, Taylor Swift theme park, my phone started move it, touching the screen on its own. Like it, like the back button would be hit when I was in the middle of typing or the app would exit in the middle of typing and not quit. Like you would actually, it would look like I had swiped up from the bottom.

[00:20:32] The screen had shrunk a little and then it had shrunk down and then the icons on the springboard would start wobbling. Like I had pressed and held them. And meanwhile, I’m not touching the screen at all. And it’s just moving around, uh, opening folders, closing folders, like ghosts and. Like a really clumsy ghost, I guess, but, uh, but have

[00:20:53] Christina: [00:20:53] Or a drunk ghost?

[00:20:55] Brett: [00:20:55] ever seen this happen before?

[00:20:56]Christina: [00:20:56] No,

[00:20:57] Brett: [00:20:57] Cause I rebooted twice and it’s still [00:21:00] happening. I’m hoping it’s just something to do with the beta that I’m stupidly on

[00:21:05]Christina: [00:21:05] yeah, let’s talk about that. I’m on the beta two. Are you on the dev beta or are you on the developer beta or were you on the user? Beta.

[00:21:11] Brett: [00:21:11] dev beta.

[00:21:13] Christina: [00:21:13] Okay. Same. And you’re on, you’re on, you’re on an iPhone 11, right?

[00:21:18] Brett: [00:21:18] Yeah, no 10.

[00:21:21] Christina: [00:21:21] Okay. I’m on an 11, uh, pro and, uh, I’m not having that issue, but I have had at least with the latest way of the one that came out this week, I’ve had a bunch of springboard crashes, like, like more than I’ve had in a while. Um, this beta for the most part has actually been pretty stable, especially compared to last year.

[00:21:43] Uh, because I stupidly even after last year’s debacle decided to do it this year. Um, but, and that was, I think in part, because iOS 13 in general has just not been a good release, but, uh, so I’ve had things where like, I’ll be in an app, [00:22:00] everything will be fine. And then all of a sudden the screen will go black and you know, the little spinny thing will happen because the springboard has hard crashed, and then it’ll take like 30 seconds.

[00:22:09] The phone will come back and I can go back to the app. And interestingly, the app saved state will be exactly where I left it. So I won’t lose anything. Uh, but springboard is hard crash, but I haven’t had this Phantom touch thing. That is interesting. That could be a hardware thing,

[00:22:27] Brett: [00:22:27] Like just, just to be clear. So I took the case off. I rebooted it, I cleaned the screen, so it feels like a hardware thing. And the touches seemed to happen at specific places on the screen. Like somehow it frequently is able, you know, when you go into an app from another app and it gives you the little back button and the very upper left, it’s somehow manages to hit that all the time.

[00:22:51] But if I try to hit it manually, I can’t, which makes me think there’s something going on with this screen.

[00:22:57] Christina: [00:22:57] Yeah, that makes, that sounds like the digitizer. Perhaps [00:23:00] it could be a beta thing. I mean, maybe software’s making it worse, but the fact that it happens consistently and you know, certain parts of the screen does make me think, like it might be a digitizer thing. Um,

[00:23:13] Brett: [00:23:13] My girlfriend, my girlfriend cracked the screen of her iPhone eight and, uh, she had a Syrian protection on it. And so she sent, they sent her a loner. She sent in her, her smashed screen. And a week later she gets a box in the mail and she opens it up and it’s her smashed screen phone, but with a glass plate over it. Well, and that was our reaction, but also the glass plate didn’t have a hole to get to the button. And it wasn’t touch sensitive. So not only was it, it wasn’t just a screen protector. It was actually like, it looked like it was, it was put on there to keep the glass in place while they sent it for actual screen replacement, but they sent it back to her instead. [00:24:00] So I think we have that all taken care of. Now, she spent like three more hours on the phone trying to get this figured out, but I don’t, that’s why I’m hoping it’s a beta thing and not a hardware thing. Cause I don’t want to deal with replacements.

[00:24:13]Christina: [00:24:13] Yeah, no, I don’t blame you. And like, in, in a typical thing, like, especially cause it’s an iPhone 10, so it’s older. I feel again, just take it to anybody who is kind of reputable and has the parts, but I don’t know how open stuff is in your areas. Even get repairs.

[00:24:30] Brett: [00:24:30] Oh, yeah, we don’t really have, I guess there’s one guy like that’s authorized about half hour from here, but.

[00:24:36]Christina: [00:24:36] best buy is authorized now, but you know, that’s, uh, your mileage may vary with that, but at least they are authorized to do, you know, phone repairs and stuff. Um, but yeah, uh, yeah, th that complicates things. I don’t blame you. I hope it’s, uh, I hope it’s a software thing too. Um, Other than that, other than the screen moving, like, have you had other [00:25:00] issues with the, with the beta.

[00:25:01] Brett: [00:25:01] Um, mostly aesthetic stuff like, um, The Twitter app is it’s still messed up, uh, ever since I installed the beta. Uh, but that’s more, uh, I would say Twitter’s fault at this point. Um, but just little quirks on the screen that seemed to get it. They seem to improve with every beta release. Uh, so I haven’t been filing reports like a good boy.

[00:25:26] I’ve been just kind of patiently waiting.

[00:25:29]Christina: [00:25:29] Yeah. I, uh, the only thing that I’ve like obsessively filed things over and they have at least fixed it a little. But was the changes they made to the alarms app, um, are bad and make it more difficult for you to set the alarm. At least now they have, re-introduced the kind of slider mechanism to set the time.

[00:25:48] Um, you know, like in the old app. So I haven’t weirdly, I haven’t updated it on my iPad pro I’ve only put the beta on my iPhone, but yeah. You know, like for the end of, you know, [00:26:00] since the beginning of time how the alarm app has worked is that you get. You know, like three or like, I guess, um, yeah, like, like, like three different areas where you have, you can kind of cycle through by scrolling your finger.

[00:26:11] And it’s kind of like a, um, like a wheel sort of motif to set the time of your alarm. And it’s, it’s really consistent and, um, works real well for me. Um, and, and I’m, I’m used to it. It’s fast. What they’ve done though, is that now I guess they’re like, Oh, well, wouldn’t it just be easier if you could type in.

[00:26:30] You know, the time that you want. And sure. I guess the problem is, is that in the early betas where you would need to type would, uh, not correspond with what you were trying to change. If I was trying to add 15 minutes to, you know, a time probably trying to like increase the hour by something, it would, you know, take me to a different thing.

[00:26:52] And I, and I’ve, I’ve got a, you know, it was just a pain. So now they have at least re-introduced, um, a smaller. Um, [00:27:00] kind of a wheel sort of mechanism to set the line. So that’s better. So I can stop filing bug reports on that now. But, uh, that was like the one that they were probably really tired of seeing them from me.

[00:27:12] Cause I was filing one, like every single thing, I was like this, but I was like, this is bad. This is a regression. Like, this is not good. Uh, other than that, yeah, the, the widgets keep improving, but there are little bugs and UI things with that. But other than that, I have to say I’ve been, I’ve been largely impressed, but that also feels like Stockholm syndrome

[00:27:34] Brett: [00:27:34] Yeah.

[00:27:34]Christina: [00:27:34] 13 was so bad that, you know, I’m kind of like, well, if it’s not crashing and making my life miserable and taking everything with me and, uh, you know, drain my battery, then like I’m, I’m amazed.

[00:27:49] So

[00:27:50] Brett: [00:27:50] I do. I love the idea of having widgets on my home screen, like in, with all my folders and icons, but I have not found a good use for [00:28:00] it yet.

[00:28:00]Christina: [00:28:00] Yeah, same. I’m the exact same position. So I have them on like one screen and I don’t do anything else. I do like the app library a lot. I like that a lot. I, I do. Um, but I have tons of apps and I have way too many pages. And so this has been a good way to just sort of. You know, get rid of all of that. And then I can just choose certain apps that I want.

[00:28:22] The only thing that’s frustrating is, and they got rid of this years ago and it still annoys me is that there was a time when you could use iTunes on your Mac to organize your home screen. And that was so much faster because if I had a keyboard and a mouse, you know, and I could drag things or I could search from things and I could just kind of put it aside, it made it way easier to organize, but now it’s still like, You know, even though the app library is really nice and I like how it auto organizes stuff, there are certain things that I’m going to want to organize and have myself, but it’s really difficult still to like search, find where the app is, [00:29:00] what screen is on awareness and the app library located, you know, breast and hold and then drag it to the screen.

[00:29:06] You want it on? Like, it’s just, it’s really not ideal. So I, that still annoys

[00:29:12] Brett: [00:29:12] you know about the two finger thing? If you press and hold till it jiggles and then use another finger, you don’t have to drag to the edge of the screen to move between pages. I guess that’s

[00:29:25] Christina: [00:29:25] know what I think

[00:29:25] Brett: [00:29:25] to most people, it was new to me.

[00:29:28] Christina: [00:29:28] no, I think I did know that, but I think I’ve forgotten that. So I appreciate that reminder because that will likely make things easier. Uh, I know, I

[00:29:36] Brett: [00:29:36] helps a little, but still organizing with your fingers is not fun. I do do it obsessive really though. My all, I have hundreds of apps, all organized into folders by verb, like for what they do. I have folders like consume control, explore, filter, learn, and everything is sorted. And therefore. The app library is unintuitive to me because I [00:30:00] already, I already have a very similar system set up per finding the apps I use.

[00:30:05] I even have one that is recent. He added that is stuff that if I, if I use, if it’s in reading recently added and I start using it a bunch, then it gets moved into a real folder.

[00:30:16] Christina: [00:30:16] See see, that’s good. Okay. So on my iPad, I have that done, right. Um, but on my phone, because I have, I guess, done like the, the clean, you know, install less recently. On my phone. That’s not the case. So on my phone, I, you know, it wasn’t a place where I was like, there were, you know, just dozens, maybe even hundreds.

[00:30:39] I don’t even know how many apps that were not organized. I used to obsessively organize them and then I stopped. And if you don’t keep up with it, at least I’ve found, it becomes very, very difficult to go back. And to the point that usually my solution is to just the next time I get a new phone. Set it up as a new device [00:31:00] and then re-install apps manually and put them in those folders the way that I want, which is what I had to do with my iPad actually.

[00:31:06] And that’s why my iPad and I had the same way. Like I don’t have burbs, but I have similar things. I’ve code, you know, browsers, streaming, Google, you know, stylists, remotes, you know, news, you know, like finance, like I have all that type of stuff set up. And so I’m a similar situation with you where at least in my iPad, it’s super fluid.

[00:31:27] But on my phone where I haven’t been able to do that, it, it can be kind of useful. Um,

[00:31:34]Brett: [00:31:34] Thing frequently where they clearly want to get away from the idea of like a file system. Or, or even a desktop full of icons. And I mean, spotlight has always had the goal of, um, making it easy to find files without having to go through thousands of folders. And I feel like they’re constantly improving spotlight on iOS and the app library feels like they’re [00:32:00] when they did remember launchpad.

[00:32:02] Do you ever use launchpad?

[00:32:03]Christina: [00:32:03] No, but I remember it.

[00:32:05] Brett: [00:32:05] Um, it’s still there for

[00:32:07] Christina: [00:32:07] Yeah. I know.

[00:32:08] Brett: [00:32:08] actually use it, but it feels like they’re trying that same tact on the iPhone and maybe it’ll work better. Like if, if it impresses people like you, who, who have that many apps and it’s helpful, maybe they’re getting it right this time, I guess, launchpad didn’t do didn’t bother organizing things for you, but it did give you a type ahead.

[00:32:32] Search for launching apps. So I got it

[00:32:37] Christina: [00:32:37] Yeah. Yeah. Launchpad was weird because launchpad was that came out in Lyon, I believe. And it was such a clear, like this isn’t, this is something that we’ve taken from iOS and, uh, you know, This is the sort of thing that would be good on a touchscreen device, more than it is with, you know, a mouse cursor.

[00:32:57] The only thing I’ve ever used launchpad [00:33:00] for has been Ben to delete something from the Mac app store, because it’s much easier to find the app that way and then click and hold and click on the X button to do that on the so like that’s literally the only thing I use. Yeah. Launch pad for. Um, my fear with app library is that.

[00:33:20] It might be one of those things that’s useful, but unintuitive to the regular people that could actually get use out of it, meaning that like their discovery of it might like if it’s because it’s by default at the very end of your screens, you might not know it exists and they might not make it clear to be like, Hey, you can delete these other app screens and your apps.

[00:33:44] Aren’t going to go away. Um, You know, I think, I think that’s going to be the challenge they’re going to have is like, how do you get regular people to kind of know that this, this can be another option, like in a weird way, it would almost be beneficial if they had a launch pad type of button, [00:34:00] um, or at least like big folder launcher that you could put on one of your other home screens that would take you into that view.

[00:34:07] Uh, you know, which is what Android does.

[00:34:11] Brett: [00:34:11] Oh, this is cool. It gives me a test flight folder. All of my test flight apps are automatically corralled together. That, uh, I’ll I’ll, I’ll give it that that’s handy.

[00:34:22] Christina: [00:34:22] Yeah, I do. I do have to say, like, I wouldn’t necessarily pick all the organizations the way that they do, but I have noticed in the last few beta updates that it’s gotten smarter and better, uh, similar to the way that, uh, the photos app does a pretty good job with kind of its automatic collections. Like, you know, when they introduced the screenshots one.

[00:34:42] I was like, because I’d had my own screenshots folder and like I’d had like a, a mechanism that I would go through for years where I would find screenshots and put them into a specific place, um, using some Python or whatever. And I was like, Oh, cool. Don’t have to do that anymore. That’s real nice.

[00:34:57] Brett: [00:34:57] Yeah. Yeah, they get it [00:35:00] right once in a while. So what you were saying, you had some, uh, some Catalina stuff going on

[00:35:06]Christina: [00:35:06] yeah, so I hate Catalina. It is, it is the worst. It is the worst Mac operating system, I think that I’ve ever used. Um, yeah. Yeah. Uh, I, you know, when it came out because of all the different permission stuff, people were comparing it to the Microsoft Vista to windows Vista rather. And, and I thought that that was after the time, but I actually think that that’s unfair to Vista because Vista was bad.

[00:35:33] Vista Vista was bad. Uh, but Vista was bad primarily because a, the stupid, you know, like, um, you know, permission system, but also it, it required more horsepower than the machines that people were using it on. And even some of the machines that was sold on and, you know, like you needed a really good graphics card from the Aero glass and it just, you know, it was a mess in that way, but.

[00:35:58] You know, within a few years, [00:36:00] once computers got more powerful and whatnot, like it was, it was OK. And, and they, they, you know, cut down on some of the most egregious stuff with windows seven, which I think, you know, most people have kind of considered like the, the like ideal, um, windows release at least of a certain type.

[00:36:17] You know, it was, it was, uh, maybe not like as good as. Maca West, but it certainly was like, if you’re going to use windows, like this is like the platonic ideal of, of, um, you know, windows from kind of the, the XP, uh, era. And like, I guess that, that version of the kernel era or whatever. Um, so yeah, I think that it’s, but, but, but Vista, you know, had some decent things.

[00:36:41] I, uh, I think the Catalina, the, the better analogy frankly, is, uh, the, the windows millennium edition windows, Emmy. Uh, which is, I still have, like, this is now coming on 20 years. I have significant [00:37:00] anger issues about from being like a high school student who bought the upgrade for cheap and installed it and watched it do terrible things to my system, to the point that I had to re-install windows 98.

[00:37:12] Second edition. And when I did that, I was trying to back up my email and I backed up the wrong folder because outlook change where they, you know, sort of database too. And I lost four years of email, which I’m still mad about. So, uh, and, and what does it mean was so bad that it came pre-installed on the machines that.

[00:37:29] We used when we went to college, which like happened right when XP came out and, uh, I, I booted that computer, uh, that came with windows and me, and it came with, uh, like a free, you know, future release of XP. They’re like, okay, we’ll mail you, you know, XP, um, in the future so that you can upgrade. Uh, and, um, I literally booted that computer with, with windows me on at one time.

[00:37:54] And that one time was just so I could insert the burned. Uh, like windows XP, [00:38:00] like a leak that had the, the, um, serial key that everybody used on the internet like that, once somebody, somebody found it, this was like the first week of school before the classes even started somebody. Um, one of my friends had that burned it on.

[00:38:15] A CDR wrote the cereal on the, um, you know, the paper sleeve gave that to me. And that was the only time I ever booted that operating system on that machine. And then I used that CDR to upgrade all of my roommates computers and about half the other people in the dorms. And that was how I met friends.

[00:38:33] Like my first week of college was putting XP on people’s computers. Well, it was, it was that, and it was awesome either net ports, because people, not every computer you bought would automatically have an ethernet port at that time. Like it should have, but they didn’t. So many of them still came with modems instead, and kids didn’t realize that.

[00:38:51] And I was like, Oh, okay, well you need to spend $30. And get this card and they’re like, well, how do I open up my machines? How do I open up my Dell or whatever? And I’m like, I got you. [00:39:00] Um, and so, you know, and I worked at best buy, so I could even get a discount, you know, on either net card. So I would just go and I was just like load up, you know, on ethernet cars.

[00:39:09] And then just, and that was how I met people, you know? So I was just like, I was just like the girl that was going to fix their computers. Um, but yeah, so I think that this is Catalina has been the windows Amy of, of Mac. Operating systems for me. And I hate saying that, but we’re almost a year into it and I’ve never had a worse operating system experience on a mat in my life.

[00:39:31]Brett: [00:39:31] I I’ve. Other than the permissions issues you mentioned, which were frequent and annoying, um, uh, I don’t know, honestly, I’ve really loved Catalina.

[00:39:42]Christina: [00:39:42] Yeah, I don’t, you know, and I’ve heard that from, from a number of people, people who haven’t had my issues, but then I’ve talked to people who have had the issues where I don’t know, there’s weird stuff that happens with audio. This is like the third time I’ve had to do a complete reformat on this laptop and it’s a 2017 Mac book pro.

[00:39:56] So it’s not, you know, the latest and greatest, but it’s, [00:40:00] it’s not like I’m on a 2014 or something. You know what I mean? Like. Well, I mean, I’m just saying like, which I think is that way, is that what you’re on? Are you

[00:40:09] Brett: [00:40:09] No, I’m on a I’m on a 2019.

[00:40:12] Christina: [00:40:12] okay. That’s what I thought I was like. Yeah. So, but right. But I mean, I’m not like trying, but this isn’t a situation where I’m trying to, where you could make the argument.

[00:40:19] Oh, well, you’re, you’re just trying to put too much on this and I’m like, no, I’m, I’m, I’m really not like this machine has, has a 16 gigs of Ram and. You know, um, should be capable of doing whatever Catalina wants. Like it’s not a hardware thing. Um, there’s just something with either my setup or the apps that I use, where just with audio, I get issues.

[00:40:43] I get crashes. Uh, I still run into stuff with home brew sometimes. But that’s mostly, uh, figure things out, but, um, what’ll happen is I’ll just start getting kernel panics and the kernel panics. And maybe this is a hardware thing. I don’t know. Maybe I’m maybe I’m unfairly blaming Catalina, [00:41:00] but you know, if it wasn’t happening in Mojave is all I know.

[00:41:04] And, and I get like curl panics. Um, but there’s not really kind of a discernible, uh, you know, like thing that I can find why it’s happening. And then I wind up having to. Uh, just kind of do a full re-install and it winds up happening at very inopportune times. So like I never even put it on my iMac. I kept Mojave on my iMac.

[00:41:25] Brett: [00:41:25] I do have this thing where if I unplug my Mac book pro from my Thunderbolt doc, uh, the screen, doesn’t always flip back over and about 90% of the time with the screen, doesn’t flip back over within the first 30 seconds after I unplug it, it just shuts down. And, and boots back up with a, your computer was restarted due to a problem.

[00:41:51] Um, but I’ve always assumed that was a hardware thing. Um,

[00:41:55] Christina: [00:41:55] I think that, I think that’s a, what, what doc are you

[00:41:58] Brett: [00:41:58] the Cal digit, [00:42:00] the

[00:42:00] Christina: [00:42:00] Ts three plus,

[00:42:02] Brett: [00:42:02] something I don’t dunno, it’s

[00:42:03] Christina: [00:42:03] yeah, I have the same doc.

[00:42:05] Brett: [00:42:05] digit one.

[00:42:06]Christina: [00:42:06] It’s the best one. So if they’ve done a good job, like I would check to make sure you have the latest firmware on that, but they’ve, they’ve done a good job. There’s something weird with Thunderbolt. Um, from what I can gather, Apple is very, very like precise on the specifications that it uses for anything involving video.

[00:42:29] And, and this has always been the case. So, uh, I remember when the Mac pro came out, the trashcan Mac pro came out, you know, the, one of the big things was the biggest support for K displays. And so when I got my review unit Apple, um, they got me, they, they allowed me to have her review unit of a cinema display, which was very nice of them, but I wanted to test out four K displays.

[00:42:48] So I called in a couple of 4k displays from some other manufacturers. And the first one, just flat out didn’t work. And they even kind of had to acknowledge that we’ve got to wait for some performer thing. And then the second [00:43:00] one did, but I had to find a very specific type of display port cable because of the way that the display port specification worked.

[00:43:10] Um, To do 4k on macro Wes. What, you know, typically what it does, what it’s doing is it is doing to it’s um, within windows or other things. It does basically a thing where it’s, uh, kind of, I guess, uh, attaching two screens together. And so you can sometimes have tearing issues and macro West says something.

[00:43:32] A little bit of better, I think, to prevent some of those tearing issues. But because of that, if your cable, and if the firmware on your monitor are not of like the exact, like display port standards, then stuff will not work. And so there was a thing where I had to like add to be on like a beta version of Mac iOS, and I had to have like a very specific type of cable that was absolutely rated, you know, to the right thing.

[00:43:56] And, um, that was. Fixed years ago, but I’ve even [00:44:00] found now, like with any sort of USBC monitor or even a non USBC monitor, if it’s of a certain resolution, um, like I have to like, make sure it’s like, okay, is the cable exactly the right type? Is the display port exactly. You know, updated to the latest version or whatever, because.

[00:44:20] I find the same thing with you, like unplugging or disconnecting, the screen might not come back. Other, there might be other issues. It’s an approval. I understand it’s because I guess other manufacturers don’t have the same tolerances and can have a little more wiggle room about stuff, whereas is very specific about what it

[00:44:43] Brett: [00:44:43] I will, uh, I will look into firmware and cables and I hope big, sir, is, uh, I hope it’s a break for you.

[00:44:49]Christina: [00:44:49] Yeah. Um, I am too. I hope, I hope so as well. And I’m not going to have a choice, uh, you know, like I’m going to have to go there. So, cause I don’t have it. Well, I mean, I guess I could downgrade [00:45:00] this, I guess I could keep the macro pro I could put it back on CA on Mohabi, but. I, I, that doesn’t feel smart and more and more apps don’t even support it anymore.

[00:45:11] So, uh, my iMac, I mean, I’m, I’m only keeping Catalina on that as long as required. So as soon as big surf is released goodbye. Um, but

[00:45:23]Brett: [00:45:23] How many megabytes of Ram does your, your new iMac have,

[00:45:27]Christina: [00:45:27] uh, megabytes.

[00:45:29] Brett: [00:45:29] how many gigabytes you got? Hundred and 28 gigabytes of Ram

[00:45:33]Christina: [00:45:33] That was not intentional.

[00:45:34] Brett: [00:45:34] still that’s a, I remember when 16 megabytes of Ram was top notch, like that’s where I grew up.

[00:45:42]Christina: [00:45:42] Yeah, me too. When I, when I w my first real computer had eight megabytes of Ram, which seemed massive. And the first upgrade I ever did to it of my own was to add another eight megabytes and. I had my second computer, that the computer I got when, um, for, for Christmas in 1998, the one that [00:46:00] my parents spoiled me with and let me have my bedroom, that one had 102 28 megabytes of Ram, which you know, was like baller, you know?

[00:46:09] Brett: [00:46:09] at that point.

[00:46:10]Christina: [00:46:10] Basically. Yeah, it was a Pentium two, four 50, it had a DVD drive. It had 128 gigs of megs of Ram. It had an eight Meg graphics card, um, that also could do like video capture, like that machine ruled. But, um, yeah, 128 gigabytes, which was not intentional. I was going to go 64. And what happened was Amazon lost my package, which was fine.

[00:46:36] Cause I didn’t even have the iMac yet. And then I still hadn’t seen it. And so I wanted to check the status and the app was like, your package has been lost. Please contact us for a refund. I was like, Oh, okay, well fine. So I do that. And I’m like, yeah, I haven’t received my package. They’re like, yeah, we can’t find any, you know, um, evidence of it in the tracking system.

[00:46:59] So we’ll [00:47:00] just go ahead and refund you. Okay, cool. Thank you. So I reorder the exact same Ram. From the same, like, you know, seller whatever. And two days later that Ram arrives and then three days after that, another package arrives if the original package with the original 64 gigs of Ram. So I had like a weird existential thing where I was like, all right, what’s the ethical move here?

[00:47:26] Like, do I have to return this up to call? Can I keep it like, what’s, what’s the situation. And I was conflicted and a lot of people told me they were like, you don’t have to do anything, just keep it. And, and I was like, that seems fair. But then I was like, well, even though this was fulfilled by Amazon, this wasn’t sold by Amazon.

[00:47:44] And I was like, concerned about the buyer or the seller or whatever. Like I was like, I don’t want them to be, you know, jipped $270 or whatever. So I reached out to Amazon. I was like, Hey, um, I got this stuff that you’d refunded before. It actually did wind up showing up. Um, what do you want me to do? [00:48:00] And they were like, just keep it.

[00:48:01]Brett: [00:48:01] I’ve had that happen with, uh, with double shipped orders before. And they’re just it’s I guess it’s more trouble for them to deal with shipping and returns than it is to just write it off.

[00:48:11]Christina: [00:48:11] Yeah, that’s what I’m guessing. I’m also thinking that there’s probably some sort of insurance thing going on and because they couldn’t, they didn’t have tracking on the package and they. Guests don’t see that it was actually delivered. I don’t know. So really like the insurance companies are the ones that are paying for this, which, you know what fine.

[00:48:31] Um, the net result is I have 128 gigs of

[00:48:34] Brett: [00:48:34] Fantastic. I have 64, I think, in this machine. Yeah. It’s, it’s outstanding. I love it. But, uh, I can only imagine how, how, how fun my life would be if I could, if I had a machine that could even handle 128 gigs, which I’m pretty sure this one can not.

[00:48:52]Christina: [00:48:52] Yeah, no, I, um, I’ve never obviously had a machine that can come even anywhere close to that. And so what I’m hoping to do once I [00:49:00] get my desk set up and my office and all that is I’m going to do some strip livestream where I would like to, if people are interested in this sort of thing, Where I, I try to see like how many containers, how many VMs, like, I would like to, I want to like figure out like what it would be like, what kind of fuckery do I need to do to, um,

[00:49:17] Brett: [00:49:17] it out.

[00:49:18] Christina: [00:49:18] you know, exactly.

[00:49:20] Cause I don’t know. Cause I don’t even know to be totally honest. Like I know there are workloads and things you could do. I mean, I guess I could just open up logic and keep opening up like new, you know, um, tracks over and over again. But I still, I

[00:49:33] Brett: [00:49:33] a drinking game, make it like a, every app that, that Christina launches or every new logic audio project she opens you. Take another drink and you just keep going until either. The computer beach balls or someone gets alcohol poisoning.

[00:49:52]Christina: [00:49:52] Yeah. I was going to say, I was like, I think that’s a real good way for, uh, for me to get alcohol poisoning, but,

[00:49:57] Brett: [00:49:57] of drinking games though? Isn’t [00:50:00] somebody supposed to die. I’ve never understood how those work.

[00:50:02]Christina: [00:50:02] Yeah, I think so. I think that’s probably, that is probably the, the actual point is that someone’s supposed to die. It’s kind of like a, you know, like those, uh, like those teen horror movies from the, from the late nineties, you know, like, that’s just like, I know what you did last summer. You know, you had a drinking game and ran over someone and covered up the murder.

[00:50:21] Brett: [00:50:21] I’m thinking of going vegetarian.

[00:50:23]Christina: [00:50:23] All right, you’ve done that before. Haven’t

[00:50:25] Brett: [00:50:25] was vegetarian for 17 years. And then I wasn’t, and now I’m suddenly like every time I eat meat, I’m feeling very bad about it. And it is, um, take it’s having, it’s wearing me down mentally to the point where I can’t justify eating meat anymore. So I’m switching my HelloFresh deliveries over to the vegetarian options, which is a pain because.

[00:50:55] I’ve been cooking for both ELL and I, but Elle has her own dietary [00:51:00] requirements, which include a gluten and dairy free and it’s and rice. She has, she reacts to rice, which means vegetarian options, uh, that don’t include rice are. Rice and, or gluten are, are few and far between, and you’re not going to get them from a prepackaged place, like hello, fresh.

[00:51:25] So for the time being, we are cooking separate meals again. Um, but I, I don’t know. I just, something switched in my brain. I, I originally went vegetarian after, well, I had, I worked, I’d done some farm work in high school and. Uh, had slaughtered chickens and felt a little conflicted that whole whole time, but it wasn’t until like my first year of college, I ate some lamb and I, it was more that I didn’t like the meal, then I felt bad about [00:52:00] the, the sheep, but it all kind of came together and I just never ate meat again.

[00:52:06] After that day for another 17 years. Um, when pescatarian at the end there for awhile, but it it’s it’s happening again though. I saw, I watched this pretty, I don’t want to call it a bad movie. Um, now I can’t remember what it was called. It had a, uh, Owen Owen, what’s his name? Blonde guy, Owen Wilson, and Zach Galifianakis in it.

[00:52:32]And. There’s a scene where Owen has to kill a chicken to cook for dinner. And my, my line has always kind of been, if, if I can, if I could kill it to eat it, then I’m okay with eating it. If I know in my heart that I could have killed this animal, but I watched that scene and realized I don’t, I don’t think I, even [00:53:00] if it were a survival situation, And, and I had to come up with some rationalization about the animal, making a sacrifice for me and being thankful and all of that.

[00:53:11] I could probably probably rationalize my way through a slaughter and, and a meal, but to kill an animal, just to have a good burger, I don’t think I’m there anymore. I think, I think some, some something. Some line got crossed somewhere. I don’t know. I’m still conflicted.

[00:53:33]Christina: [00:53:33] Yeah, no. I mean, I think that other than the complications for, you know, maybe having to cook separately, I mean, do you need to do what feels right to you and. I think everybody has their own lines for that

[00:53:45] Brett: [00:53:45] If I go vegan, I promise not to talk about it.

[00:53:48]Christina: [00:53:48] I mean, you can talk about it. I’m just not going to just like, I’m not going to, I look, I’m not, I respect people who were vegan.

[00:53:55] I respect people who are vegetarian. I’m not,

[00:53:57] Brett: [00:53:57] What if I make that

[00:53:59] Christina: [00:53:59] I will not,

[00:54:00] [00:54:00] Brett: [00:54:00] your homework is to go vegan?

[00:54:01]Christina: [00:54:01] I’m not going to do that.

[00:54:03] Brett: [00:54:03] Fuck it. No, come out

[00:54:05] Christina: [00:54:05] Absolutely not. Absolutely not. No, no. Not even, um, this is just, doing that,

[00:54:12] Brett: [00:54:12] very, very

[00:54:13] Christina: [00:54:13] process people who are under no circumstances. I mean, like there would have to be like a, you’re going to die if you don’t have this sort of diet and it happens to be vegan. Um, I just, I, I can understand the arguments at least for vegetarianism, and I can understand both for animals and also for the environment.

[00:54:35] Uh, I have a lot more trouble with the full vegan arguments, to be honest.

[00:54:41] Brett: [00:54:41] I, yeah, I don’t like, especially from the environmental standpoint, uh, I, I fully relate to vegans. I’ve just never, it’s never been important enough to me to make the sacrifices involved. Um, and, and [00:55:00] for me, vegetarianism was always more about the, the environment than it was about animal rights. Uh, that shift it did for me.

[00:55:09] I think actually it’s more about animal rights now than it is about the environment. It’s definitely both, but yeah, no, I, I really, I, I, I, I listened to two people talk about why they’re vegan and I cannot, I agree with most of what they say.

[00:55:26]Christina: [00:55:26] Yeah. I mean, I might be able to agree in the abstracts, but.

[00:55:30] Brett: [00:55:30] But then taco bell calls.

[00:55:32]Christina: [00:55:32] Well, that’s just that, I mean, I think it’s that I, I try to like take, I guess my, my, I have like a more holistic view, which is, I’m not saying that the things that you’re claiming are incorrect or wrong, but there are all these other things that, that we do and that we partake in and that are, you know, a part of functioning in a modern society that equally have detrimental impacts on.

[00:55:56] Other environments or other species, uh, and, and, you know, [00:56:00] ecologically and, and whatnot. And so like where do you draw the line? Right. Like for me it becomes like a, a question of, okay, you’re not wrong about this, but this is also the same case for if you’re going to drive or consume any sort of transportation or electricity or.

[00:56:16] You know, use a computer. Like, you know what I mean? Like where do I draw the line? Like, if, if I’m going to, if I’m going to say that I’m going to be vegan because of all those things, then should I be using a phone or computer? Because the minerals in it have been mined in ways

[00:56:29] Brett: [00:56:29] Right. And I,

[00:56:30] Christina: [00:56:30] and that are problematic.

[00:56:31] Like I,

[00:56:32] Brett: [00:56:32] I do think it comes down to doing what feels okay to you because most, most of the problems happening to our environment right now are not in the hands of consumers. Uh, we’re not the ones causing the problem and we’re not the ones who through individual action are going to cause any significant amount of change.

[00:56:54] Only through political action. Do we have any chance of actually affecting the environment for the [00:57:00] better? So ultimately it comes down to what’s what feels okay to you? Yeah. There’s not a lot of point in like a, in preaching at people because even, even if you did make a difference in that person’s life, that person ultimately, isn’t going to make a difference in and.

[00:57:19] Glo, uh, climate change and all of the major environmental catastrophes we have going on.

[00:57:25]Christina: [00:57:25] Right, right. I mean, exactly. I know that that’s part of the, that people are able, that’s the problem. Nobody does anything. And you know, it it’s collective, it takes a lot of people to do stuff. And yeah, I guess so if, if you were able to start a genuine movement where people genuinely in mass start to effect the economics so that the industry isn’t as profitable and doesn’t make the money, it is then I guess you could do something.

[00:57:46] But short of that, I mean, I’m with you. I think that it takes political and legislation change and it is the why I do like, um, you know, some of the different like meatless, um, uh, startups, um, I [00:58:00] actually think that that is the sort of thing that could potentially move the needle. Um, although they have their own problems.

[00:58:06] I mean, you have to look into like how much energy are those things, you know, uh, taking and creating and, and how, how viable are they? But getting aside from that, like beyond burger and, and what’s the other one, um,

[00:58:19] Brett: [00:58:19] was the first one that came to mind. I can’t think of the other one.

[00:58:22] Christina: [00:58:22] Yeah. Yeah. So, so there’s beyond, and then there, there there’s another one. Uh, but you know, if those things like they’re starting to be, um, uh, impossible. Uh, so you know, those are, are, those are starting to be sold, you know, in fast food restaurants and grocery stores and having name brands. I think that’s actually really powerful because that could become a viable business.

[00:58:42] Then that’s the sort of thing that could potentially shift people away from saying. Okay. We are going to be investing this much in traditional agriculture and, um, you know, like, um, whatever the term is for, um, uh, cattle or whatever, whatever the term is for raising animals life. [00:59:00] Thank you. So, yeah, we’re, we’re, we’re going to change our, our agriculture and livestock, um, do investments accordingly that I think could have real impact, but.

[00:59:09] Yeah. So I’m, I’m in favor of that, even if I’m not personally like going to make the decision to be a vegan,

[00:59:16] Brett: [00:59:16] Those beyond burgers are

[00:59:18] Christina: [00:59:18] and you can, they are, they are, I have to say, like, I’ve tried a lot of the different meatless things and most of them are terrible beyond burgers though. Are, are good. Um, you know, I prefer beef, but.

[00:59:29]Brett: [00:59:29] I’m really good at cooking meat, which is, I think a disappointment to L that I’m not going to be cooking meat anymore. I have a real knack for tender juicy meat dishes. Um, this is sounding dirtier than I meant for it to, but man, whether it’s a grill or a stove or even a beef Wellington and the oven, I I’m, I’m good at it.

[00:59:51] Like I, I rarely mess up. Meet. I have a strong appreciation for meat and we’ve spent years now [01:00:00] buying local, uh, local farms and local slaughterhouses, uh, that have, you know, free range, cattle and chickens. And we’ve been very careful about where we get our meat from. And that has felt okay to me up to this point, suddenly it’s not good enough anymore.

[01:00:21]Christina: [01:00:21] Yeah. I mean, you, you have to do what you’re comfortable with and if you’re not comfortable with it, you’re not, I, I do kind of love that irony though of the fact that like the guy who was the vegetarian for so many years is really good at, at, um, cooking meat. Like that’s.

[01:00:37] Brett: [01:00:37] Yeah. Yeah. There’s a,

[01:00:40] Christina: [01:00:40] There, there there’s, there’s an O Henry aspect of that, that I quite enjoy.

[01:00:44] Brett: [01:00:44] um, do you have, have you seen how to build a girl? Um, it is, uh, it’s the movie of the week on iTunes right now. It’s a 99 cent rental. I would, I would recommend rent it and watch it sometime in the next 29 days. [01:01:00] Uh, we can, we can have a chat about it. It’s uh, it’s pretty good. It won’t blow you away, but.

[01:01:05] It’s a, it’s the story of, uh, uh, based on semi based on true events. I can’t remember how they phrase it, but it was basically loosely based on some true events, but a young girl in high school who gets a job writing for a rock and roll magazine. And she is suddenly thrust into the world of interviewing rock stars and reviewing bands.

[01:01:29] And it goes from there it’s, it’s fun.

[01:01:33]Christina: [01:01:33] So it’s kind of a girl version of

[01:01:35] Brett: [01:01:35] Yeah. Uh, the, I guess the big thing is the story of, um, it’s a female empowerment story. It’s she’s, she’s, uh, uh, not great looking very plain looking overweight, high school girl with no friends who finds a way to create a persona that works for her. [01:02:00] And really, really succeed at it and at some points too much.

[01:02:06] You’ll see. You’ll see. I’d love to talk about it. Um,

[01:02:10] Christina: [01:02:10] Yeah. Okay. I’m I’m, I’m, I’m putting that, uh, on my, uh, on my, like, I’m literally like opening up the iTunes app now to find this so I can rent this.

[01:02:19] Brett: [01:02:19] yeah. Oh, bring it on is on it’s the what?

[01:02:24] Christina: [01:02:24] it’s 20th anniversary edition. I just saw that and I feel so old.

[01:02:27] Brett: [01:02:27] buy it to own for like two 99 right now. And every time I see it, I’m so close, but I’ve seen it so many times that I don’t feel like I need to own it.

[01:02:36]Christina: [01:02:36] Oh, but

[01:02:36] Brett: [01:02:36] Okay. That’s all I needed to hear. I’m going to go buy it.

[01:02:39]Christina: [01:02:39] Yeah, you have to, I would have bought it, but I already have, so, uh, I, uh, Oh, you do. It’s so good. I love that movie so much. God is also, I love pitch. Perfect. Cause pitch perfect is the exact same movie as bring it on.

[01:02:52] Brett: [01:02:52] I agree.

[01:02:53] Christina: [01:02:53] Uh, it’s the exact same movie, but they both worked

[01:02:56] Brett: [01:02:56] not say the same for the sequels pitch. [01:03:00] Perfect. Two was actually pretty good.

[01:03:02]Christina: [01:03:02] It had its moments. I thought that magic Mike too was how you do that movie correctly.

[01:03:07]Brett: [01:03:07] Fair. Fair. Okay.

[01:03:09] Christina: [01:03:09] No, it means genuinely, they were both Roadtrip movies. They were both sequels. Like they, it was the same plot, but magic Mike too, I think actually work to whereas pitch perfect two and then pitch perfect three, you know what? I enjoyed watching it with my, with my girlfriends. Um, and, and I enjoyed like the final scene, but.

[01:03:28]Whoever tried to put like an action movie into that was, that was just, that was, yeah. I mean, I, I get it. Rebel Wilson is now a lot more famous than when you started and you have to give her more to do and what not, but I am not watching an acapella movie to see people jumping from

[01:03:47] Brett: [01:03:47] Aren’t there like 10, bring it on SQLs now.

[01:03:49]Christina: [01:03:49] I think so, but I’ve never watched any of them because to me they’re all straight to

[01:03:53] Brett: [01:03:53] Yeah. Well, and they are there. I think I saw one on cable TV at one [01:04:00] point and it was just a hallow. Echo of the genius that was bringing it on.

[01:04:06]Christina: [01:04:06] Yeah, I think what they did, it was, they did a similar thing with, um, the American pie series. Obviously there were, uh, I think for, uh, American pie films that were in theaters, um, but they had a. Huge number of directivity SQLs. And that, that I think Eugene Levy was the only person that was part of any of it.

[01:04:30] Um, and so to me, I’m like, all right, this, this is not in any way related. Like this is, this is not part of Canon. And I think we bring it on. They didn’t even have, there was no one who was from the first film in any of the sequels is kind of like the mean girls sequel. It’s like this literally. Does not have anything to do with it and is just the studio trying to expand on the licensing and, and there’s nothing else.

[01:04:56] Brett: [01:04:56] Someone should make a

[01:04:57] Christina: [01:04:57] yeah, I think there,

[01:04:59] Brett: [01:04:59] that’s not mean [01:05:00] girls. Although me

[01:05:01] Christina: [01:05:01] And actually

[01:05:02] Brett: [01:05:02] the SQL to Heather’s.

[01:05:04]Christina: [01:05:04] it’s the nicer version of Heathers. I mean, it’s so much, I mean, the, the thing is, and I’ve said this probably on this podcast before. You could not make Heathers today and release period. No, you couldn’t do it. Um, uh, you couldn’t have done it probably five or six years after Heather’s came out to be totally honest, like honestly, the way that they deal with suicide and, you know, murder and I mean the whole Plaza nature of it, especially once school students started to happen.

[01:05:33] There’s no way you could have made that film. So like, Certainly not post Columbine, but I think probably post whatever the Arkansas one was, was probably when you wouldn’t have been able to make Heathers anymore. Um, they did try to do it as a TV show. That was horrible. Did you see this? Okay, so the paramount network, um, which used to be spike TV, and then it became, I don’t know, it’s had a bunch [01:06:00] of iterations, but now it’s the paramount network.

[01:06:02] They. Bought and decided to basically do kind of like a remake of Heathers, except all the Heathers. Instead of being like beautiful, popular girls were still these, you know, bitchy, you know, like people ran the school, but like one was, um, you know, non-binary one was like a queer. I’m a person of color. One was like, you know, really like Bush, like, like that, you know, a girl, like, you know, they’re all like these kind of like different types of things, which I guess on its space is sort of interesting.

[01:06:33] But again, the same time, it’s kind of not like the same time. I kind of don’t know. Like I get the point of like, feeling like you’re empowering people by being like, Oh, these people who don’t look, you know, the series of like white plastic thing can be the people in power. But I also don’t know if we’re quite there yet to essentially vilify those types of people too.

[01:06:57] You know what I mean? Um, so [01:07:00] it didn’t work. Um, also it tried too hard. They had to completely change obviously the language and, you know, some of the, uh, the, the content, but even with all the changes they made that watered it down completely after, um, I think it was the, the New Zealand, um, uh, uh, mass murder and terrorism act.

[01:07:22]They were, that was when they were airing the show and they had to burn it off and they had to basically stop airing it and edit things significantly. And so even. The very poor attempt at doing a woke version of Heathers. And let’s just say this right now. You don’t need a workforce competitors. You don’t need any sort of remake of Heathers.

[01:07:40] It does not need to exist, but the woke version was especially bad. And especially I think just poorly done. Um, even the though version of Heathers was too controversial. For them to continue doing so they had to edit it and it was just a complete disaster. So, uh, yeah. Uh, Heather’s could never be made again.

[01:07:58] What’s interesting Wynonna [01:08:00] writer for many, many years. I really wanted to seek well because, um, uh, Daniel Waters who wrote it or direct wrote directly like that, the first film, uh, he, um, I guess I’ve been working on something and she was really, really interested in having something come together, but I just don’t think there’s, you know, there’s any way you, you can do.

[01:08:19] Anything that would even do it justice, you know, it’s

[01:08:21] Brett: [01:08:21] How do you know all this stuff?

[01:08:23]Christina: [01:08:23] I, I read

[01:08:25]Brett: [01:08:25] He like, you know, you know, stuff about everything. Like, I don’t understand the breadth, the depth of knowledge you have about a breadth of topics. It’s crazy. You’re brilliant. You’re a brilliant woman.

[01:08:39]Christina: [01:08:39] Well, thank you very much. I, I just have a good memory. I honestly that’s. That’s just it. I just

[01:08:44] Brett: [01:08:44] Yeah. But you, you remember things that I wouldn’t be interested enough in, and I’m not saying that to be mean, but. Like you, you obviously are interested enough to pick up the information to begin with, and then you remember it. [01:09:00] Me, I would never even consider, uh, like finding that information, let alone forgetting it.

[01:09:06]Christina: [01:09:06] Right. Yeah, no, I, um, if I can find an interest in something and that’s the key, if I can find like a genuine interest in it, then I will usually go overboard and learning everything I can about it. And then I’m lucky enough to usually have a good memory for being able to retain and understand it. And, uh, Heather’s is like one of my favorite movies ever.

[01:09:29] So

[01:09:31] Brett: [01:09:31] So it was an area. It’s not that you know that much about every movie you just happen to know that much about Heather’s. Okay. Although we’ve proven time. And again, that, that you have that kind of knowledge about things I wouldn’t

[01:09:45] Christina: [01:09:45] Lots of things I look, can I say I’m, I’m an eclectic person. I do have a wide range of interests. Um, that’s that? That’s

[01:09:53] Brett: [01:09:53] do? And me I’m the gen X or just complains about everything.

[01:09:57]Christina: [01:09:57] Well, you don’t complain about everything. You just [01:10:00] like,

[01:10:00] Brett: [01:10:00] I don’t though. That’s the thing is I

[01:10:02] Christina: [01:10:02] I know you don’t. I know you

[01:10:04] Brett: [01:10:04] lot of stuff. I just, I grew up in an environment where. It was super uncool to care about anything.

[01:10:13] Christina: [01:10:13] take care. Yeah. Apathy was what you had to, you had to pretend to be apathetic, but you’re not empathetic.

[01:10:18] Brett: [01:10:18] generation of foodies and beer snobs could not have happened in gen X. Like it just wasn’t cool

[01:10:25] Christina: [01:10:25] Oh, no.

[01:10:26] Brett: [01:10:26] much about anything.

[01:10:28]Christina: [01:10:28] Okay. PR homework for us, both because I haven’t watched this movie in a long time, but I have historically loved it and, but I’m not gen X. And so my love of it was. From the person who grew up in some ways aspiring to be gen X, because they were cool when I was young. And then when I saw it, when I was older, in some ways like having a different appreciation of it and actually kind of rooting for the different characters, but we should watch reality bites.

[01:10:55]Brett: [01:10:55] But yeah, no, I could use the refresh around reality bites.

[01:10:58]Christina: [01:10:58] That’s it, [01:11:00] you know, I remember really enjoying it. Um, Ben Stiller directed that, which is really interesting because most people obviously just think of him as, you know, an actor, but he actually is a pretty accomplished

[01:11:11] Brett: [01:11:11] that the one that had screaming trees on the soundtrack?

[01:11:13]Christina: [01:11:13] I’m pretty sure the soundtrack was really good.

[01:11:17]Brett: [01:11:17] Um, I just remembered

[01:11:19] Christina: [01:11:19] I mean, it’s, it’s

[01:11:20] Brett: [01:11:20] literally all I remember.

[01:11:22]Christina: [01:11:22] Oh, you had the Lisa Loeb song stay

[01:11:24]Brett: [01:11:24] Yeah.

[01:11:26] Christina: [01:11:26] because, because Ethan Hawke discovered her or whatever. Um,

[01:11:30] Brett: [01:11:30] glasses

[01:11:31]Christina: [01:11:31] yeah. Oh yeah. I mean, she was like, she was the it girl. I mean, she was super cute in that video. Uh, yeah. So, um, Yeah, we should watch reality bites if you don’t have it, if you don’t have it, I have it on my Plex and I’ll L I should invite you to have

[01:11:47] Brett: [01:11:47] Yeah, we should do that. Sounds good. Should we call it here and save some of these topics for next week?

[01:11:54]Christina: [01:11:54] Yeah, I think we should. I think we

[01:11:56] Brett: [01:11:56] good. Um, and yeah, I’m [01:12:00] glad we got to do this. We recorded late, uh, due to all of your, uh, Catalina woes, but, um, I’m, I’m glad we pulled it off.

[01:12:08]Christina: [01:12:08] I am Sue I’m am. This was a, this is a can talk and I’m actually now really excited about watching, um, how to

[01:12:13] Brett: [01:12:13] I hope you enjoy it

[01:12:15]Christina: [01:12:15] yeah. Uh, I’m, I’m looking

[01:12:17] Brett: [01:12:17] and then get some sleep.

[01:12:18]Christina: [01:12:18] Thank you. I will, especially if you know. Computers are stressful, but you also get some sleep. And I hope that I hope that like, while you’re sleeping that your phone doesn’t do weird things.

[01:12:30] Cause that would be odd also since this is, I want you to keep a note of this. I don’t know if you dream or not, but since you spent so much time on the Taylor Swift theme park, I am curious if you have dreams about Taylor Swift and or theme

[01:12:43] Brett: [01:12:43] I will let you know, I’ll let you know how that goes.

[01:12:45]Christina: [01:12:45] All right.