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[00:00:00] Brett: [00:00:00] Hey, Christina, do you want to do the intro this week?

[00:00:03] Christina: [00:00:03] I do. Okay. You’re listening to overtired with, with me, Christina Warren and him Brett Terpstra. Hey, Brett, how are you?

[00:00:11] Brett: [00:00:11] I’m good. Christina Warren ha ha. I think you get to start with the health corner this week. How, how you doing

[00:00:19] Christina: [00:00:19] Okay, so I’m fine. I can’t iterate that enough. I, I have to be very clear on this because if my mom, for some reason, listens to this podcast, mom do not listen to this podcast. This is not the podcast that you need to

[00:00:32] Brett: [00:00:32] Stop right now.

[00:00:34] Christina: [00:00:34] Right. But, but also just in general, like, I love you mom, but like, this is not the podcast for you, but in case my mom or someone listens to this podcast, I have to be very clear.

[00:00:43] I’m fine. However, I had a little bit of a weird weekend. it is okay. Um, As, as it is, most of the country, and you’re going to laugh at this right now because you’re in [00:01:00] Minnesota where, you know, it, it gets cold and snows and like that’s a normal thing and people know how to deal with it. Uh, in parts of the country, like Texas, where I’m not.

[00:01:11] And, uh, the Pacific Northwest where I am living. It’s pretty rare that we get what we would call, like, I guess, major kind of winter storm alerts or whatever. And, um, for the last three years, I guess this would be the third year. There have been some, you know, snow or ice things that have happened in Seattle.

[00:01:32] I’ve managed to avoid them because I’ve been in an Australia when it’s happened. But this year I was not in Australia because of the pandemic. So, um, it snowed in Seattle over the weekend and it snowed pretty significantly for us. Like we got, you know, I think it peaks, you know, like, Like six or seven inches, eight or nine inches in some places which, um, for Seattle is, is quite a bit right?

[00:01:56] Like this isn’t going to be, you know, like I know that like people in New [00:02:00] York and, and, you know, people like you are like ha seven inches. What, like, that’s cute. But for this part of the country, that’s actually pretty significant. And the infrastructure is not designed to deal with that. They did have plows out in a lot more areas than I was expecting, and they did have more places that were shoveled and were dealt with better than I was expecting, but it was one of those things where I woke up Saturday morning and, you know, I see.

[00:02:30] Like white all over, like the outside. And, you know, the, the building is like sending in, you know, memos that they’re not going to be in that day because they, they kind of can’t get in and places are closed. No one’s delivering food at all. And then it polices were, um, like nobody really wasn’t on Saturday.

[00:02:48] And then it pleases warlike on, on Sunday and, and Monday, it was like much more limited hours and whatnot. Well, I woke up on Saturday morning and I had a bit of a predicament. [00:03:00] Because I wear contact lenses and I was positive. Like it was positive that I still had some extra pairs of contact lenses. And I woke up and, and one of my contact lenses, I sleep in mind.

[00:03:14] You’re not supposed to, but you can. It’s, it’s fine. Whatever. But like, I, I tend to sleep in mine and I woke up and one had fallen out. And, um, the other was kind of at that point where I was just like, all right, I’ll just, I’ll just take it out and put it in a new pair. And that was when I made the realization that I don’t have any contact lenses, which is a problem. So I’m like, shit, what am I going to do? I’m like blind. And I’m like, okay, don’t panic. You’ve got to have another pair that exists somewhere. I do not. So now I really am panicking because. I don’t have a pair of glasses, um, that I have access to. If I do have them, I’m not even sure where they are, but the prescription [00:04:00] is completely so outdated that they would be almost useless.

[00:04:03] I have no contact lenses. I’m like, I can’t see, this is an actual problem. So I start to try to make an appointment someplace, um, on my phone. And then I realized. You’re not gonna be able to get anywhere because everybody is closed and places aren’t gonna be open. What are you going to do? So I did manage to find a pair that were expired and were an older prescription that I put in.

[00:04:29] That were fine for like, you know, temporary. And then I was able to get an appointment at Costco for Monday because, um, my, um, normal, um, Oh, I should back up and say this too. I go to the eye doctor every year, but my optometrist, my ophthalmologist is in Atlanta. And the last time I saw him was on the 26th of December, 2019.

[00:04:51] Obviously didn’t see him in 2020. Um, he writes me a prescription every year. The expression, uh, the prescription has expired. So I can’t [00:05:00] even like order for rush delivery, you know, like a pair, like I’m like, okay, I had to actually go get an appointment somewhere to get an eye exam. The doctor’s office at work didn’t have any appointments until March.

[00:05:11] And so I was like, fine. I’ll I’ll go to Costco, uh, and, and have them do it because they have an optometry clinic. I’ll go there. Fine. So I make an appointment for Monday, go in Monday. I have my eye appointment. Um, I opt not to be dilated, but to pay $30 and have this weird, like, uh, I scan thing, which is not supposed to be a replacement for dilation, but is in effect used for it in most cases.

[00:05:40] And it can take like a 3d picture of all the aspects of your eye. And it’s, it’s interesting. I was like, fine. I’ll do that. And so I go in and I have my exam and she writes me the script and she’s in the middle of telling me how great my eyes look. And she’s looking at the scan that she took telling me how great my eyes look.

[00:05:58] And then she [00:06:00] stops and she, the, her whole demeanor changes, she’s trying, she’s very clearly trying not to freak me out, but I can tell she’s kinda freaked out and she’s like, okay, so there’s this spot on your eye here and this a tear in your retina. And I’m like, okay. And she’s like, yeah, she’s like, this is not good.

[00:06:23] She’s like, you need to get this repaired. Like now. And she’s like in, at this point, it’s almost four o’clock in the afternoon and, and I’m, you know, part of me is thinking I’m like, okay, well I can like go, you know, tomorrow or whatever. She’s like, no, you need to, you need to go. Like now I’m going to make some calls and find a specialist.

[00:06:41] You can see you now. So. I get my prescription for my glasses and contacts. Fortunately, although I didn’t even have a chance to like, look at anything. I’d been all excited about being at Costco because I wanted to get a hot dog. And, um, I was like, very excited about this. That’s all blown out the window and she’s like, okay, there’s [00:07:00] the retinal specialists like this there’s this ophthalmologist in Renton, which is, you know, like a good, like 40 minutes away, but whatever, she’s like, you need to go there now and they can see you.

[00:07:11] So. I get an Uber. I go to rent in, I check in to see this place. They see me right away. I see the dog that I have more scans. I am dilated this time. I have like other things done again. And then they look at it and they’re like, yep, you have a tear in your retina. And don’t worry, it’s not super serious.

[00:07:31] But if this isn’t taken care of, um, the, the concern is that they need this collegiate to a T to a detached retina and that could lead to blindness. And do you have any history of family history of this stuff? And I’m like, yeah, my dad actually is now basically blind in one eye because he had something like, he kind of had like a, uh, equivalent, like a stroke in his eye or something, but he had some sort of, you know, the attachment or whatever, um, fairly recently, and it’s been [00:08:00] pretty scary.

[00:08:00] And so they’re like, yeah, well we, we need to take care of this. And, and, um, so we’re going to put lasers in your eyes and we’re going to take care of this today. I’m like, okay, this is not what I was expecting. And so then, uh, they numbed my eyeball and put lasers in my eye and repaired the tear and repair like another thing.

[00:08:20] And then I’m going to come back and have like a spot in my left eye. This was my right eye and have a spot on my, my left eye watched to see, um, what’s happening, um, scary, but like, not that big of a deal. Well, then I wake up yesterday. Tuesday. And I’m seeing some floaters, which I hadn’t had before. I, I should also say this.

[00:08:42] I was completely asymptomatic. I had no symptoms at all. No, like flashes of light, no flavor, floaters that I was seeing, like there was nothing that was exhibiting itself to me that I would have known that I had a tear in my retina. And, um, so in retrospect, [00:09:00] I’m super glad that I ran out of contact lenses and had to make an, a, an emergency appointment because.

[00:09:05] Real talk. I probably would’ve waited until it would be safe for me to travel again, to go to my ophthalmologist in Atlanta, because I’ve been seeing him since I was a kid. Uh, he did eye surgery that I had, um, uh, uh, you know, over a little over a decade ago.

[00:09:25] Brett: [00:09:25] you are weirdly loyal to your healthcare providers.

[00:09:28] Christina: [00:09:28] I am, I

[00:09:29] Brett: [00:09:29] You’ll travel across the country for them.

[00:09:32] Christina: [00:09:32] I totally will. It’s it’s a weird thing. I’m both weirdly loyal. And also it’s like one of those, like, I just don’t want to find new people things,

[00:09:39] Brett: [00:09:39] Weirdly loyal and lazy.

[00:09:41] Christina: [00:09:41] yeah. So I was going to say it’s both, but, but for things like your eyes, like if you have somebody who’s literally like, been like treating you since you were a kid

[00:09:48] Brett: [00:09:48] Oh, yeah, I have a guy. I know how

[00:09:49] Christina: [00:09:49] yeah.

[00:09:50] And like, if I’m going to see my parents anyway, like I S, like I said, I see him every year. This isn’t one of those things where I put this off. Like I see him every year. Um, and [00:10:00] so, you know, like, like, like, like grant I think was trying to kind of understand. I was like, no, I saw him like 13 months ago.

[00:10:07] Like, this is not one of those things where like this, you know, so, so this is something that’s developed recently, right? Because he clearly didn’t see any signs of it, even when he was looking at me last. Um, so, um, I woke up yesterday morning and I was starting to see some floaters and also my eye was hurting. And so I called and they said, this is normal, but you need to like be off of screens for the day. I’m like, fuck, be off of screens for the day. Like that. That is my nightmare.

[00:10:40]Brett: [00:10:40] now it’s affecting my life.

[00:10:43] Christina: [00:10:43] Right, right. Well, and at this point too, like, cause he told me that I could wear contacts and whatnot, but I hadn’t put them in cause my eye hurt. And I’m like, like the laser is not painful, but it’s not comfortable either. Um, and uh, you know, sadly you don’t get like magic powers, but it is one of those things where like it, [00:11:00] yeah.

[00:11:00] It’s not a super comfortable thing. Um, but, but it’s not like super painful, but it’s also, yeah, it’s not super comfortable to like have, you know, Something hot and sharp and whatever, like on your eyeball, it’s just not. Uh, and so, um, they were like, all right, stay off screens for the day. And if it, if it doesn’t, if it persists or whatever, then they can come in.

[00:11:21] But, but, but take it off. So. Um, on Tuesday, I basically had to, like, I was very, very, very limited, like on any screens, I was listening to a lot of podcasts because I’m now in a position where I have I’m very near-sighted and this is why my retina, I think, like I had the tear, it’s more common in people who are near-sighted.

[00:11:40] Um, like it’s, it’s not something I did it wasn’t, I didn’t have any sort of trauma or whatever. It was just one of those, like, things that just happen. But, um, Like I’m in this position where I can’t see anything more than, I don’t know, five inches in front of my face. Uh, and I [00:12:00] can’t look at screens and I’m just like, this sucks.

[00:12:05] So I was like, I guess I can listen to podcasts and. Taylor Swift music, uh, you know, but it was like one of those things, like it’s, and it’s even one of those things like it, you know, it’s hard to like walk around even like, when you’re like this blind, this is why I was freaking out on Saturday. When I woke up, I was like, Holy shit.

[00:12:21] Like I’m, this is like an unsafe situation. I mean, I’m kind of, I guess, in retrospect, again, like happy that we’re in a situation where, you know, we’re not expected to go into work because I don’t know how I would get into an office or something. You know, um, with, with being able to see the way that I am.

[00:12:40] So now, now we’re like two days later and my eye is still a little sore, but it’s fine. But the floaters seem to have gone away. So

[00:12:50] Brett: [00:12:50] But you

[00:12:50] Christina: [00:12:50] I’m fine.

[00:12:51] Brett: [00:12:51] now.

[00:12:52] Christina: [00:12:52] But yeah, I can look at screens now I’m going to try to be like more limited and like, not be on them, like for [00:13:00] 16 or 17 hours a day. But yeah,

[00:13:03] Brett: [00:13:03] Does your prescription change much?

[00:13:05] Christina: [00:13:05] Not really. Um, and in fact like it, so when I saw him a year ago, he wrote me two prescriptions for my contacts and he was like, here’s a higher one and a lower one, and you can have them both billed.

[00:13:18] But if you feel like you need the higher one, get it filled. And I didn’t, I just had the lower one filled. And then she said the same thing. She was going to give me the higher one. But when she kind of showed both, she was like, well, no, if you can make, do with the lower one, which is still. You know, moderate, uh, Lehigh.

[00:13:33] She was like, then, then do that. Um, don’t, don’t go up. So it doesn’t change very often. Like it has changed over time obviously, but, but you know, it’s every, every two years or so, I would say that I probably go up.

[00:13:48] Brett: [00:13:48] huh? My, I got my first pair of glasses when I was 12 and it like, I, I had been near-sighted for years and didn’t realize that like trees had individual leaves and things like that. [00:14:00] Um, so I got my glasses. I think I was around 12 and my prescription has not changed since. I I’m required to get an eye exam.

[00:14:10] Uh, my, uh, my next layer every two years. And in order to keep getting contacts, I have to get an eye exam, but it’s pointless because my prescription never changes.

[00:14:23] Christina: [00:14:23] what’s your prescription.

[00:14:24] Brett: [00:14:24] Fuck. If I know, why would I know that

[00:14:27] Christina: [00:14:27] I don’t know.

[00:14:28] Brett: [00:14:28] it’s like negative 1.5, but I have no idea. 1.5. What. And my, my left eye is worse than my right eye

[00:14:37] Christina: [00:14:37] That’s no, I mean that’s low. Yeah. My mine is, mine is negative six. Um, which, uh, is not great, but it’s also not like terrible. Like there’s some people who are like negative 12, which was like, for people who have that, like they need, they have to wear hard contact lenses because

[00:14:55] Brett: [00:14:55] or

[00:14:56] Christina: [00:14:56] have to be so thick. Yeah. But like, [00:15:00] So I think we’ve talked about this before. So, so you got glasses when you were 12. Did you get contacts then too? Or how old were you when you got contacts?

[00:15:08] Brett: [00:15:08] remember. I think I didn’t get context until high school.

[00:15:11] Christina: [00:15:11] Okay. Um, yeah, so I got contacts when I was eight. Um, I bet. Yeah. So I basically had glasses for like two days, maybe. So, uh, it started when, like I was in first grade and I found out I had to go, it was needing to sit in the front of the room to be able to see things. And then my vision was, was slowly showing that it was worse.

[00:15:32] And so I went to the doctor and you have to think that in like 1991, um, glasses for kids, well, they still suck, frankly. They still suck, but they really sucked then, like you had very limited number of frames. And they were ugly and I hated how they looked and I cried and I was like, I don’t want to wear these.

[00:15:52] And like, I cried on the way home. I think I wore them all twice for probably 45 minutes. And I was just like, asked my mom was like, [00:16:00] why can’t I just get contact lenses? And she was like, well, I’m not sure she asked the doctor. And he put somebody who I think was as young as maybe nine or 10 in them never, never anybody eight.

[00:16:12] And he was like, well, If she’s responsible enough, if she can, you know, do it in the office, then we’ll, we’ll let her have them. And I was able to do it and it took me, you know, it used to take me a long time to put them in and now I made it, I don’t even need it. I haven’t needed a mirror in years. You know, it was one of those things when like the, um, um, optometrist who was super sweet, um, at the, the Costco clinic, she was asking me, she was like, is there any reason why you sleep in your contacts?

[00:16:40] And I was like, I’ve been wearing contacts for 30 years. I bad habits. She’s like, no, it’s fine. You, you change the more frequently if you do that. But you know, like, because these are rated a certain way or whatever, but she was like, it’s fine. I was like, yeah. I was like, I should probably, you know, take better care of things or whatever, but, you know, I never had any issues.

[00:16:59] And, [00:17:00] and for the record, The terror. My retina had nothing to do with, with my like regime of my contact lenses. Um, because I did ask about that. I was like, did I do anything for this? She was like, no, she was like, you could get like an eye ulcer or some other stuff, which I did have once. And, and that was enough for me to be like, no, I’ll take better care of like my, my, my contact lens health.

[00:17:21] But at this point, like I’ve been wearing them for, you know, like so much of my life that, um, I should get LASIK now that I’ve had like one laser in my eye now I’m kind of like, well, fuck it. I should just get the, get the whole thing done. Um,

[00:17:39]Brett: [00:17:39] we have dedicated 20 minutes of our show to iHealth. We should be sponsored by, uh, maybe, uh, what’s that ma uh, pouch and loam

[00:17:52] Christina: [00:17:52] yeah. Yeah. Bausch and Lomb. Them or, or, um, uh, who is it? Uh, uh, Oasis is, is, uh, [00:18:00] is, is the brand name of whoever I do it, but yeah, Bausch and Lomb or somebody else should definitely sponsor us.

[00:18:05] Brett: [00:18:05] week’s episode brought to you by two people who sleep in their contact. I sleep in mind for. Uh, generally a month at a time. And then I’ll take them out and let them soak for a day or two and I’ll wear glasses. And then I’ll put the same pair back in for another month. And I changed my contacts like every two months.

[00:18:25] And I’m honest with this, about this with my doctor and, and he basically is like, your eyes look fine. Your, your eyes are in great shape. I really, I don’t endorse the way you treat them, but you it’s not causing you any problems. So carry on.

[00:18:42] Christina: [00:18:42] Right. Yeah, exactly. This has been my scenario as well. So, uh, but again, anyone listening, we’re not doctors we’ve made that pretty clear. Uh,

[00:18:51]Brett: [00:18:51] Yes. Yes, we have

[00:18:54]Christina: [00:18:54] but, uh, but who are we really sponsored by this week?

[00:18:57] Brett: [00:18:57] Oh, well, uh, let’s [00:19:00] start with, uh, with some, some cat litter. Um, so I, this morning was yoga. Uh, at home, of course, uh, and, uh, The kitten bod. Uh, she, she was having a very wild morning, like tearing around the house, jumping up on things, attacking toes and just going nuts. And she had started to calm down by the time yoga started and like all through, like we, uh, enforced yoga.

[00:19:31] You do a lot of AB work. Um, so all through abs while I’m on my back, she’s sitting on my chest, just watching me. And then we went straight into bridge and she fell asleep. She’s just like sleeping on my chest all the way through bridge. It was pretty hilarious. Um, but anyway,

[00:19:52] Christina: [00:19:52] is awesome.

[00:19:53] Brett: [00:19:53] she really is so, Oh, w while we’re talking about CA so Valentine’s day [00:20:00] would have been Finnegan’s birthday.

[00:20:03] So that was kind of, uh, uh,

[00:20:05] Christina: [00:20:05] A hard one.

[00:20:06] Brett: [00:20:06] Yeah, it was, it was rough for us, but I, I, it made me fully cognizant that bod has, has brought me joy in a, in a place that would have been really sad. So, uh, rest in peace Finnegan. Uh, we also got bod spade the day before Valentine’s day. So she was groggy and I was seriously concerned.

[00:20:36] That something horrible was going to happen, but it didn’t end. And this morning was proof that she survived. Anyway. One of the great things about cats is that you don’t have to let them out. In the fucking gold or take them for walks in the cold.

[00:20:55] Christina: [00:20:55] cold, right.

[00:20:56] Brett: [00:20:56] But the downside of that is that they poop inside your [00:21:00] house and, uh, and they don’t know how to use a toilet.

[00:21:02] So you end up cleaning a litter box. So. Question for you. What if there was a way to have an odor-free litter box? It was easy to clean and automatically replaced every month. And what if it was leak-proof and made from entirely recycled material and itself was recyclable as well. That’s what kitty poo club does.

[00:21:23] Kitty poo club is an all-in-one litter box solution designed to be convenient for you. Every month, kitty poo club delivers an affordable high quality recyclable litter box. That’s prefilled with the litter of your choice. And as I’ve mentioned before, I chose the soy-based litter because hippies and, uh, it has been like I’ve had the same litter out for a full month.

[00:21:50] And it does not smell at all, like at all. So I am really impressed with this particular litter. I haven’t tried the [00:22:00] nontoxic still look a litter, but if it’s anything like this, soy-based litter, it there, their promise of an odor free litter box is valid. Um, and bod, who we were just talking about. She loves it too.

[00:22:15] We you’re supposed to have one more litter box, then you have number of cats. So we have

[00:22:22] Christina: [00:22:22] So, so you’re supposed to have three.

[00:22:23] Brett: [00:22:23] So we have three litter boxes. Only one of them right now is a kitty poo club box. Bod almost always picks the kitty poo club litter. She loves it. Um, I don’t. Yeti Yeti, maybe it’s a territory thing, but Yeti, Yeti likes the one that we have a smallish house.

[00:22:46] And so with three litter boxes, one of them almost has to be in my bedroom and. I didn’t get the kitty poo club box in my bedroom. Elle got that one in [00:23:00] her bedroom. Um, because we have separate bedrooms because you have, it is so nice. I never had that when I was married, we always shared a bed and it turns out I really don’t like sleeping with other people.

[00:23:12] So anyway, side tangent, but.

[00:23:15] Christina: [00:23:15] That is the dream to be totally honest. I have a bedroom. I’m a huge fan of

[00:23:19] Brett: [00:23:19] It is so nice here. It is so nice. The side side, side, tangent, Bob tends to sleep with me and she curls up in the crook of my knee. And one of the beauties of sleeping in your own bed is you can fart, like it’s okay to fart. Bod, however, hates farts. She bites my butt. If I fart like threw the blanket, she will bite me.

[00:23:47] It’s it’s pretty hilarious. And then I crack up, but anyway, these boxes are leak-proof eco-friendly and have a fun design for every season. When the month is up, you just recycled the box in kitty poo [00:24:00] club automatically delivers a brand new one, a no changing use litter, and you might even be able to get away without cleaning the litter at all.

[00:24:08] You can cut. The reason that we do clean our litter is because the dog eats the poop and we don’t want the dog eating the poop. So other than that, honestly, it, it, I, if you don’t have a dog that eats poop yeah. You can get away without cleaning your litter at all. Uh, and you can customize your order based on how many cats you have and what type of litter they prefer.

[00:24:31] And kitty poo club has a no risk guarantee. So you can easily customize or cancel anytime. Right now, kitty poo club is offering you our loyal listeners 20% off your first order when you set up auto-ship by going to kitty poo club.com and entering promo code over tired. So if you love your cat, but you hate the litter.

[00:24:53] That’s kitty poo club.com and promo code overtired. I just made like a five minute [00:25:00] read out of that too.

[00:25:01] Christina: [00:25:01] That’s

[00:25:02] Brett: [00:25:02] we’re moving slowly today. We’re already halfway through the show and we haven’t even talked about Taylor Swift’s new album yet.

[00:25:11] Christina: [00:25:11] I know. Which is important.

[00:25:14] Brett: [00:25:14] I mean, w this is above all else. A Taylor Swift podcast,

[00:25:19] Christina: [00:25:19] It is a Taylor Swift podcast. So.

[00:25:21] Brett: [00:25:21] a Brittany Spears podcast, apparently, but

[00:25:24] Christina: [00:25:24] Yes. Yes, yes. A follow up on that. Uh, Elle sent me a really nice DM this morning that I haven’t had a chance to respond to, but I will because of the eye thing, um, because she had thoughts about it, which were really thoughtful that I’m going to respond to.

[00:25:37] Brett: [00:25:37] I told you

[00:25:38] Christina: [00:25:38] thank you, L definitely is.

[00:25:41] So thank you Al for that, because I appreciate it. Like.

[00:25:46] Brett: [00:25:46] She told me she’s like, I like Christina. It doesn’t have to make good on her. Like, uh, talking about like having an in-depth conversation. With me, but, but she does have thoughts.

[00:25:58] Christina: [00:25:58] I love that. And I’m [00:26:00] very appreciative of that to be totally honest, because I’ve been thinking a lot about it. So Taylor Swift is rerecording all of her old news.

[00:26:09]Brett: [00:26:09] W I thought w I thought Ryan Adams already did that for her.

[00:26:14] Christina: [00:26:14] bump, bump?

[00:26:15]Brett: [00:26:15] Okay. So, so again, this is like second time around.

[00:26:19] Christina: [00:26:19] Yes. Speaking of problematic faves, um,

[00:26:23] Brett: [00:26:23] tell me what I don’t. I don’t know about this.

[00:26:26] Christina: [00:26:26] Oh, Oh you, Oh, he got canceled hard.

[00:26:29] Brett: [00:26:29] Oh, wow.

[00:26:30] Christina: [00:26:30] Uh, so he, um, so, you know, uh, uh, Phoebe Bridgers,

[00:26:36] Brett: [00:26:36] No.

[00:26:37] Christina: [00:26:37] she’s great. She’s you would like her she’s really good. She came forward that he likes, started grooming her when she was like, Really young and like taking advantage of her and like basically kind of like held albums and stuff.

[00:26:49] She was working on hostage and other women came forward about abusive behavior. Mandy Moore, his ex wife came forward and was like, yeah, he was like an emotionally [00:27:00] abusive, like asshole when we were married that also like held some of her albums and art stuff, hostage, like some. Underage girl. It’s, it’s unclear if he knew she was underage or not, like came forward about like their relationship and, and, um, sexting stuff and whatnot.

[00:27:22] Um, yeah. Yeah. He got canceled. Hardcore.

[00:27:26] Brett: [00:27:26] I totally missed that.

[00:27:28] Christina: [00:27:28] Yeah. So, um, It’s a problem. I mean, it’s terrible. Like what he did, obviously. And then he like released some like pseudo apology thing. And then he, it happened right before he was supposed to release like two albums in a year. And those were obviously shelved, although he has his own record label.

[00:27:46] So, you know, he can do his own kind of thing, but you know, his, his touring and all that stuff was out. And then he did actually release. The the album and he was just kind of, it was, it was written beforehand and he [00:28:00] released, you know, an apology, but it’s not clear if that’s going to be enough or not. I don’t know.

[00:28:06] It’s um, he’s always been one of my favorite artists, so

[00:28:10] Brett: [00:28:10] like the kind of thing you can apologize away. That sounds like the kind of thing that I, 100% thinks someone should, should be canceled for.

[00:28:18] Christina: [00:28:18] Yeah, no, I agree in the difficult thing then becomes like, it’s the whole, like, you know, like art versus artists thing. And, and I, I can’t pretend like I don’t still enjoy and have like good emotional memories of his past work, but it is also one of those things where I’m like, yeah, I’m not going to listen to his new stuff, you know?

[00:28:36] And even the past stuff is, unfortunately now tanged with this. With this weird-ass, which is unfortunate, but like, I, you know, obviously don’t condone or support anything that he did, but God it’s really unfortunate. Um, uh, mostly for the, for the women who had to suffer, like yeah.

[00:28:54] Brett: [00:28:54] yeah, I just thought of a perfect segue to our second sponsor. I’m going to hold onto [00:29:00] it because

[00:29:01] Christina: [00:29:01] Wash to wash it

[00:29:02] Brett: [00:29:02] Yes. Oh my God. Yes. But anyway, we’ll get back to that. So Taylor is, is rerecording old stuff because she already put out two albums this year

[00:29:12] Christina: [00:29:12] Right,

[00:29:13] Brett: [00:29:13] you know what? Let’s let’s keep going and just start from the beginning and do it all again.

[00:29:20] Christina: [00:29:20] exactly. It’s that? And um, so her masters have now been sold twice. I think we talked about this before. So she was with a record label called big machine records. That that was, I think she was the first artist they signed that she signed with when she was 15 years old. And she was with them for her first six albums.

[00:29:41] So, uh, or self-titled fearless speak now read 1989 reputation and, uh, And yes, I did just like rattle that off the top of my head without even having to think about it, which is really sad. Um, and so, [00:30:00] um, this is true. So she, uh, those first six albums were with that label and she’d wanted to own her own masters.

[00:30:08] And, and by owning that, like, she’s the song writer on all of her songs. Uh, sometimes she’s the soul song, right. But she’s at least like one of them, like on all of them. And so she owns her publishing, meaning that she. Gets control over who can license the song. And she gets paid every time, like a fee every time, you know, as long as played or covered or whatever, um, as a songwriter, but the mechanical recording of like the song itself, the master recording, the music video, uh, the album art, like all that stuff belongs to belong to the label, which is fairly common.

[00:30:42] She wanted to own her masters and she claims that she was never given an opportunity to own her masters. Um, instead what she was given was kind of an idea, which was okay if you re up and reassign another deal with us, because after her initial deal had expired for each new album, you give [00:31:00] us, we’ll give you the masters back on an old album.

[00:31:05] Um, and. And she was like, but, but, but I don’t want that. I just want to buy them outright. And, and the, the, the CEO, the owner of the record label, he wanted to sell the record label and she knew that was going to happen. Why she didn’t buy the record label outright. I’m not sure she claimed she was not ever given the opportunity to buy her masters outright.

[00:31:24] There’s dispute about that. But he then sold the record label to someone and not just anyone, but someone who Taylor has beef with someone who tailored very much dislikes. And this obviously may Taylor very, very, very upset. So Taylor came forward with a statement. Uh, this was like in, in, in 2019, when, when this was revealed that, you know, how, how, like, you know, like destroyed, she felt by it, how upset she was by it and, and really started advocating for artists rights.

[00:31:55] And then was basically kind of like, okay. And starting, you know, next year I [00:32:00] can rerecord. All of my music because, um, you know, you have to like the clause in, in, in her contract basically said, uh, you know, you can rerecord after if it’s been, you know, at least five years or whatever. So for her first five albums, she was like, I, you know, enough time over the past that I, that I can rerecord, you know?

[00:32:21] Um, but my first five albums or whatever, and I, and I’m going to do that because I don’t want this, this guy, scooter Braun to get money. And own my work. He’s still gonna own the masters, know my music, videos and things that are really personal to me, but I don’t want them profiting off of this. Well, that kicked off a back and forth and people were, you know, people on both sides were, were, were saying stuff.

[00:32:43] And then over the summer, Um, right before she released folklore, it came out that scooter Braun sold her masters. So not the whole label, but her masters to Shamrock holdings, which is like, uh, [00:33:00] uh, um, Private equity firm for $335 million, which was like the same amount that he paid for the entire record label.

[00:33:08] So he he’d gotten funders cause he doesn’t have that kind of cash to buy the record label for over $300 billion. And then he sold just her masters for more than that, um, to this the Shamrock whole lanes. And at first she was like, I talked to the Shamrock. They were really supportive. I liked working with them, but he still going to get a cut up some stuff for as period of time.

[00:33:29] And I don’t want him getting anything from anything that I do. So I’m still gonna go forward and rerecord everything. So she announced last week as kind of surprise the, the first. Uh, the release date for her first, like kind of fully rerecorded album, which is her second album fearless that she won album of the year for and a re-released, um, version of love story Taylor’s version, which was her first international number one.

[00:33:58] And, uh, [00:34:00] it’s good.

[00:34:02] Brett: [00:34:02] all right.

[00:34:02] Christina: [00:34:02] good.

[00:34:03] Brett: [00:34:03] All right.

[00:34:05] Christina: [00:34:05] Um,

[00:34:05] Brett: [00:34:05] I, Frank Frank, our friend grumpy, Frank, he, uh, he, he, he DMD me to let me know there was, uh, there was new stuff that I, I should, I should check out. And I didn’t because I, I got other stuff to do. Um, but, uh, but yeah, I didn’t realize what it was at all until just now that, that, that was what was going on.

[00:34:31] That’s that’s interesting. Yeah,

[00:34:33] Christina: [00:34:33] Yeah. And, and, um, the, the way that she’s doing it, I mean, obviously she wants them to sound as close to the originals as possible because, um, that’s the whole point, right? Cause it’s really, the whole point of this is I think to is to, to lessen the value of the originals, which will always have value.

[00:34:50] I think that her goal would be long-term would be okay. Make this so that she can sell the sync rights, which would be like, meaning like the. The, the rights to be [00:35:00] used in, in, in TV or movies or whatever, um, uh, for these new ones. Cause she’ll, she’ll approve that she won’t approve the old version. She’ll approve the new ones.

[00:35:08] Um, make it valuable enough for the new ones. De-value the originals to the point where maybe Shamrock will be willing to sell them to her for. I don’t know, a hundred million dollars in a few years or whatever, right? Like that they’ll, they won’t see it as an appreciating asset, but as, as depreciating because she is doing this other stuff.

[00:35:26] Um, so it sounds really similar, but also her voices has gotten a lot better. So you, it sounds. It’s actually interesting to listen to the two side by side, because the instrumentation is richer, although it’s, you know, similar, um, she got many of the same people who, who were on the original to record with her on the new one.

[00:35:48] Um, but her voice sounds better. And, uh, it’s just like a more full sound. Um, it’s really interesting it’s to, to listen to it, how it like sounds exactly like the old song, but also different. [00:36:00] Uh, it it’s it’s, it’s good. I’m super, super excited to hear the rest of her catalog as that comes out and what she’s going to do when she releases.

[00:36:10] Fearless it’ll be out in April 9th, um, is that she has, uh, six additional songs that were from her vault that she’d never recorded before. Exactly, exactly. And so, um, the, the, the music video, or I guess I should say like lyric video, she did was actually really sweet because like love stories, like probably.

[00:36:31] Like it, it was her first really, really big head. And, and it’s, it’s the one that like, she always performs and has updated a couple of times make more like a more modern twist, like for 1989, like she made like kind of a synth pop kind of variant of it and whatnot. And, um, she didn’t do that for this rerecording.

[00:36:48] Like she very much kept like the banjo and like the, the, the, um, uh, You know, um, slide, um, a guitar and stuff like that, uh, in it, but, uh, the fiddles [00:37:00] and violins and whatnot. But, um, she, um, made a lyric video that because it’s one of her most iconic music videos, and one of the sad things about this, I’m going to have to imagine it makes her like, feel.

[00:37:13] Violated is that, you know, okay. So you’re like 18 years old or whatever. When, when this album comes out, when you start to work on this stuff for it, you’re your first, her first album is like, they are in essence kind of like her photo albums and like her, her memories. Right. And all of that belongs to somebody else.

[00:37:32] So. That has to be kind of shitty to be like, okay, all this stuff. That was my work. That was my art or whatever, belongs to someone else. I don’t have any ownership of it. And beyond that, like, because my songs are my diaries, this does feel like my life, which is now, you know, under someone else’s control.

[00:37:49] So the lyric video, I know I’m a PSAP and I’m a huge Taylor Swift, Stan. We all know this, but I did actually kind of like tear up because it’s all photos of her. With [00:38:00] fans, like from the very early part of her career, which was, was really sweet. So she was like, kind of saying like, the love story, you know, is, is her and her fans, which is really sweet.

[00:38:12] Um, and I thought it was a nice way for them to. Address the music video thing. Cause it’s like, how do you can’t recreate that music video? It’s one of those iconic things where, you know, she like, you know, was in this, you know, corset and did this, like this kid’s thing. And like, you know, meets this dreamy looking guy and in the, um, you know, woods or whatever.

[00:38:33] And. You know, it’s, it’s, it’s this very romantic fairy tale, like, like an 18 year olds idea of romance sort of thing, right? Like it’s, it’s like not a realistic thing, but it’s, you know, very much like a, of that era. Like you can’t recreate that. You wouldn’t want to recreate that, but to have, you know, the, the photographs and like some video footage of home movies and stuff, you know, of, of her from that era was really sweet to see.

[00:38:57] Um, and, uh, [00:39:00] What’s also great for her because she’s freaking genius is that she gets to resell this now. So people like me are going to buy an album that they bought 12 years ago. Like multiple copies of, cause she’s releasing it on vinyl, on gold vinyl, which obviously I’m getting, and then I went ahead and I’m going to get like the CD or the iTunes or whatever.

[00:39:23] And you know, also, you know, they can rerelease the songs to radio. They can put it on Spotify playlist, like. She gets to double dip the same way, you know, artists like do like remastered box sets or whatever, except this, this feels better than that because it’s like, Oh no, these are rerecorded and it’s for a purpose.

[00:39:42] Right? So like that the fans like me are like, Oh no, but see, we need to buy this. And we don’t feel taken advantage of the way you sometimes do when like an artist, we release the box set of stuff. Cause you’re like, Oh no, see, cause this is now really Taylor’s now she gets a hundred percent of the money instead of just 70%.

[00:39:59] Brett: [00:39:59] it’s like [00:40:00] when you take an application and you rewrite it with modern underpinnings and then add a couple of new features and then you can sell it all over again with an upgrade price.

[00:40:11] Christina: [00:40:11] Yes or

[00:40:12] Brett: [00:40:12] I made this make sense to me.

[00:40:14] Christina: [00:40:14] you did. You did anyway. So that’s the Taylor Swift news. I, I encourage you to listen to the new version at some point it’s actually, I would be interested in your perspective, like. And love story is not going to be one of your favorite songs when 1989 is redone. Like, that’ll be the interesting one.

[00:40:30] I, cause I would love to like, hear like how she’s able to compare that. But I would like from you from like somebody who’s a musician, like for you to like listen to the two versions side by side, I’d be interested in your like analytical take from that because I do actually think that’s interesting now too, to be able to, like, I was listening to the two versions side by side and I was like, this is actually really interesting to.

[00:40:51] Here, the subtle differences in instrumentation, as well as just how our voice has changed and improved.

[00:40:58] Brett: [00:40:58] all right. Aye. Aye. [00:41:00] Aye. Solomnly swear that I will, I will do that. And I will offer thoughtful, thoughtful analysis as a, uh, an appreciator, but not a fan. Uh, someone who can look at it without any emotional

[00:41:17] Christina: [00:41:17] I was going to say, I was going to say no, that this is why I’m asking you, because like, I think that would be like good. Cause I can’t pretend that I, I am like, not a fan. Like I can try to be objective, but I’m not objective. So I would be interested in, in your perspective, uh, before we go into our next sponsor read, I just want to know from you, what artists of yours would you like to hear them?

[00:41:38] Like maybe you rerecord their catalog, like, you know, with the, with avid of time, you know, like maybe with like their. Uh, more, you know, like if their voice has gotten better or their, or their skills have gotten better, is there an artist that you would like to hear them rerecord or, or reattempt a classic album?

[00:41:55] Brett: [00:41:55] Is it okay. If it would be impossible to do

[00:41:58] Christina: [00:41:58] Yeah, of course.

[00:41:59] Brett: [00:41:59] Elliot [00:42:00] Smith,

[00:42:00] Christina: [00:42:00] Yeah. Yeah.

[00:42:03] Brett: [00:42:03] like most of, most of them music I liked that is old enough to be worth rerecording. I wouldn’t want them to, because I love the classic sound and there’s a, you know, I pull up these old albums because I want to hear the way they used to

[00:42:18] Christina: [00:42:18] Yes, totally.

[00:42:20] Brett: [00:42:20] Elliot Smith though, his music was so brilliant and his evolution was just beginning

[00:42:27] Christina: [00:42:27] It

[00:42:27] Brett: [00:42:27] and, and, you know, whatever the circumstances around his death, it seems a little murky, but,

[00:42:35] Christina: [00:42:35] does. It does. But regardless.

[00:42:37] Brett: [00:42:37] yeah, like it, it, I would be very curious to see if he rerecorded some of his best music now, what that would be like.

[00:42:47] Speaking of dead musicians. Um, I, so I was talking with my friend, Jeff Severns Gunzel the other day, actually yesterday. And, and we were talking about throwing away old [00:43:00] records and like, I basically my entire vinyl collection I let go of except for two records, uh, two seven inch records, one of my band and one of a band called man frayed.

[00:43:13] That I just loved. And the lead singer had committed suicide, uh, while I was still living in Minneapolis and it was a sad story and I still listen to this album with like a tinge of, of melancholy and. And sadness, but turned out. I mentioned it to Jeff and he was like the lead singer of that band actually introduced two of the most important people in my life.

[00:43:43] Uh, and like this, this band, the members of this band had been pivotal to his life and his career. And it was this weird. Weird correlation, I guess, like we both lived in Minneapolis [00:44:00] around the same time. And uh, yeah. Anyway, let’s get back to female musicians. Cause I have something to say, but first say Ryan Adam’s name,

[00:44:11] Christina: [00:44:11] Ryan

[00:44:12] Brett: [00:44:12] speaking of Ryan Adams and things you need to wash off

[00:44:15] Christina: [00:44:15] Yes.

[00:44:16] Brett: [00:44:16] or, or alternative segue, you know what the best way to shake it off is.

[00:44:22] Christina: [00:44:22] Put the shower

[00:44:23] Brett: [00:44:23] Yes. Um, so w this week’s episode is also sponsored by Nebia, by Mowen, and they make this shower that it uses 45% less water than even a low-flow shower heads, but provides twice the coverage. And they were kind enough to send both Christina and I, a shower heads. And, uh, I installed mine. I used to be a plumber.

[00:44:54] Okay. I was a plumber’s apprentice, but the installation was super easy for me. But I’m [00:45:00] curious, you, Christina, did you find it pretty simple to install?

[00:45:05] Christina: [00:45:05] Yes, and I should be very clear. I am not a plumber. I am not good with tools. I am not somebody who like likes that sort of thing. Um, you know, grant has tools. Uh, but, uh, I, I tried to do it as much myself as I could. And, um, honestly it was, it was remarkably easy to install.

[00:45:25] Brett: [00:45:25] And, uh, as, uh, so the cool thing about it for me is that the it’s it’s on this like twenty-five inch, uh, up and down arm. And you can just slide the head up and down and tilt it. Up and down like angled ahead. So you can get it exactly where you wanted it, any point in your shower. And I love that, but I’m curious as a woman with hair, does that, is that like, is that convenient for you?

[00:45:56] Christina: [00:45:56] Yeah, no, it was really, it’s really nice because sometimes you [00:46:00] do want it to be a little bit higher or lower. It also has a wand, which is really great for like shaving your legs or your arms, or, or, you know, like other parts of your body, which like, it makes it really convenient. But being able to like, you know, adjust the head so that as you said, yeah, because I have a lot of hair and I haven’t had a haircut in a year and I need to get a haircut desperately, but my hair is now like, Incredibly long.

[00:46:21] And so, um, being able to kind of adjust the flow, you know, so that I, it both feels good. Um, and, and is also able to like wash, you know, I have like, uh, uh, enough of a flow to, you know, like get enough suds and stuff in my hair so that I’m not like, you know, gonna try, no, I’m not starting to see if that can make a gorilla glue girl, uh, the girlfriends and I can’t can’t do it.

[00:46:46] Brett: [00:46:46] it seems to me like getting the suds in is the easy part, rinsing them out would be the part I would be concerned about.

[00:46:53] Christina: [00:46:53] That’s the thing, right? Like you want to be able to like you yeah, exactly. Like you want to be able to like wash it out and like, you want to be able to have that angle, but it’s [00:47:00] great because it’s this, it’s this, um, you know, like, um, like rain shower kind of, um, uh, like motif, which uses less water, but is incredibly, incredibly comfortable.

[00:47:11] It’s one of those things. Like, I love how it feels. It’s, um, a huge upgrade from the shower head that I, you know, I had that came with my apartment. And, um, in grant shower, we don’t have two bedrooms. We have two bathrooms. He has like, he has the upgraded. Uh, he like a number of years ago we bought like a better shower head.

[00:47:33] And like, he has that one and I was like, all right, fine. You can have that one. I’m getting this one. He’s very jealous. And I’m like, Nope, this is my bathroom. You have your own bike. You don’t get this

[00:47:44] Brett: [00:47:44] Like I’m super picky about shower heads. And the shower head that I replaced was I really liked it. Like I had very intentionally picked it out and installed it, and it wa it had like eight different settings and, and a wand and everything. [00:48:00] And I was a little concerned that I wouldn’t like this one as much, but it turns out and I say this despite being paid.

[00:48:09]It’s better. I like it. And, and L likes it too. Uh, that, that’s always the other concern. When I upgrade things in our houses, will I just make it worse for someone else? And L L loves it and it’s been, it’s been good all around. Um, tip I installed the wand at waist level. So it like has this magnetic kind of ball that attaches to the shower wall and then it pivot and you can like rotate it all around on that ball at the point in any direction.

[00:48:42] So I found like at waist level, it gives me like extra, uh, like the shower diffuses. That’s how it saves water. So by the time it gets down to about your knees, it’s a little more, uh, diffused. Then it [00:49:00] is up around your shoulders. So putting the wand halfway down makes it a perfect full body shower. Um, I shouldn’t mention.

[00:49:08] This shower head was designed by former Tesla, NASA and Apple engineers who spent years researching and developing a superior shower experience. And D the superior shower experience is, is true, but the fact that it saves like half of your water bill, you can take showers twice as long, or take this same shower for half as much money.

[00:49:34] And that’s, that’s kind of amazing.

[00:49:36] Christina: [00:49:36] also like using less water is an important thing.

[00:49:40] Brett: [00:49:40] Sure. Like from an ecological standpoint.

[00:49:43]Christina: [00:49:43] Yeah.

[00:49:44] Brett: [00:49:44] Yes. For sure. Like, I have well water, which I love, like it is, I did a water test on our water just to see if there were any like contaminants or, or, uh, high alkaline or anything like that. And we have perfect [00:50:00] water, like perfect water. I love it. Um, so we don’t also have a water bill.

[00:50:05] But we pay an electrical bill to run the pump.

[00:50:09] Christina: [00:50:09] right.

[00:50:09] Brett: [00:50:09] we’re seeing savings on the electrical bill, which is cool.

[00:50:15] Christina: [00:50:15] Yeah. Yeah. So our water, like, because I’m in an apartment and I’m not sure like how it’s allocated, because like we have like a water bill, but it’s, it’s, it’s like, you know, I think that is allocated fairly evenly across the units. I’m not really quite sure if it’s a usage thing or not. So, and I haven’t had a Cinsault long enough to know like what the impact on you, my bills would be on, but as you said, yeah, you can have a, twice as long shower or like, you know, if you.

[00:50:43] Don’t want to, cause you use a lot of water, you know, when, when taking a shower and if you are thinking about it from a cultural perspective, I like that a lot, but I just honestly, like I’m going to be real, even aside from like the saving and water thing, I just, I find it a really nice experience. [00:51:00] Like they call it spa-like and I kind of rolled back.

[00:51:02] I was like, yeah, sure. And I was like, Oh no, this actually is very much a spa-like experience. Like it very much reminds me of, you know, when you go to. I got a spa and have, you know, uh, the shower afterwards or whatever, and, you know, or you’re at like a high-end hotel. And like, it very much reminds me of, of, um, certain hotels that I’ve stayed at where I’m like, Oh, I really like that shower.

[00:51:27] I’m like, Oh, okay. I can have this at home now. And you’re right. The, the, um, The wand, which can be, you know, detached and you can use that for, you know, other stuff, but like it,

[00:51:40] Brett: [00:51:40] Let’s be honest. That’s what wands are for.

[00:51:44] Christina: [00:51:44] yeah, sure. Uh, I mean, honestly, uh, for, for, for, for me, it really is mostly like for shaving your legs. Um, but, uh, it does make for a nice full body experience, as you said, like it really does. Um, [00:52:00] So I like mine a lot and it took me about half an hour to install. I think they say like 18 minutes on the website.

[00:52:07] It took me about half an hour because I was wanting to be really careful cause I’ve never installed anything like this ever, but, uh, I could have done it faster and I was actually impressed. Like if, if I can do this, you can. And I’m one of those people who like it can put together a computer. But like wrenches, you know what I mean?

[00:52:26] Like that’s the

[00:52:27] Brett: [00:52:27] Yeah,

[00:52:27] Christina: [00:52:27] I’m like, like freaks me out. I’m like, I I’m, like, I don’t even know what to do. I’m calling someone.

[00:52:31]Brett: [00:52:31] Oh, you want to hear the deal we got for our listeners? Uh, the Nebia by Mowen shower spot. It starts at one 99. Uh, but for overtired listeners, the first 100 people to use the code over-tired at nebia.com will get 15% off all Nebia products. Nebia rarely does deals like this. So you should jump on this, uh, Only the first hundred people go to [00:53:00] nebia.com/overtired that’s N E B I a.com/overtired and check out what they have to offer.

[00:53:07] And, uh, first a hundred people save 15%.

[00:53:11] Christina: [00:53:11] Yeah. And that’s awesome. And I have to say like, it’s, it’s really, really good shower heads. So if you’ve been looking at upgrading your shower head, uh, this is definitely one you want to check out because I’ve very, very much enjoyed it.

[00:53:23] Brett: [00:53:23] So we’ve, we’ve spent. Uh, equal amounts of time on eyes and Taylor Swift and sponsors. I feel like w w that’s like our show is in three parts basically. Um, and I actually, I think we should skip talking about tech at all this week. Well, not entirely because we do have a third sponsor that. It’s tech. So we can’t entirely skip it, but I did want to say, like, I, uh, I’ve been watching, uh, discovery of witches, uh, which has a new season out.

[00:53:57] Uh, I don’t know if you ever got into that show, but.

[00:54:00] [00:53:59] Christina: [00:53:59] No, but I, but I, I, I, what, what’s it about like, maybe I should check it out,

[00:54:04] Brett: [00:54:04] was book. Uh, it’s about, uh, it’s a love story between a witch and a vampire. And it’s that whole like fantasy genre that I typically don’t get into.

[00:54:16]Christina: [00:54:16] but you kind of love.

[00:54:18] Brett: [00:54:18] Well, no, like I will never lie like a Twilight or any of that shit, but this,

[00:54:25] Christina: [00:54:25] I was about to say, I was like, you’re a secret Twilight fan. Aren’t you

[00:54:28] Brett: [00:54:28] Um, and I never got like a, what was that one? That’s it’s not Highlander. It’s. Some Scottish time traveler, like there’s some stuff that w it was just clearly made for people with more feminine persuasions than I have.

[00:54:44] Uh, but this isn’t that I really, I, I enjoy it. Like, I’m, I’m kind of hooked on it, but anyway, at the end of one of the episodes during the credit roll, they had someone covering a Tory AEMO’s like old little earthquakes era, [00:55:00] Tori AEMO’s. And it got me back into this whole kick I made, I made a playlist that every other song alternates between K Flay and Toria AEMO’s it’s like a totally bipolar playlist.

[00:55:16] Christina: [00:55:16] No. Okay. Please have to share this because after you’d mentioned, this was like months ago now. K Flay. I have, I have listened and really enjoyed K Flay. So, and Tori Amos is one of my top five female artists of all time.

[00:55:29] Brett: [00:55:29] Yeah, I I’ve even seen her live, which

[00:55:32] Christina: [00:55:32] I have to, I’ve

[00:55:32] Brett: [00:55:32] for most. Like I’ve seen Tory MOS and I’ve seen Florence and the machine live. Um, and I don’t usually go to that kind of show. I

[00:55:42] Christina: [00:55:42] No, Tori’s insane. I’ve seen her a couple of times. She placed two pianos at

[00:55:47] Brett: [00:55:47] Yeah, she’s awesome. But like little earthquakes though is like a formative album for me. Like that was high

[00:55:54] Christina: [00:55:54] Me too. So I was in elementary school.

[00:55:57] Brett: [00:55:57] Oh, geez. Okay.

[00:56:00] [00:55:59] Christina: [00:55:59] But, but. We’ll see, this is the weird thing about our ages. Like we’re, we’re not that that many years apart, but, um, like this is like the era where, when you’re that young, like where you see like the differences or whatever. Um, but yeah, I was older when I discovered her.

[00:56:16] I like, I’d heard some of her stuff on the radio. Uh, and then, but then I was actually in high school when I discovered little earthquakes, little earthquakes, and I heard some of her, some of her later stuff at that point too. And yeah, little earthquakes is one of those, just like. Stunning stunning albums like unreal.

[00:56:34] Brett: [00:56:34] I was into, at that point in my life, I was into like the cure and nine inch nails and some like some punk rock, like, but like all of this at the same Sinead, O’Connor like all at the same time and yeah, little earthquakes. Like I realized when I, when I put this playlist together and I was listening to it, that I still knew all the words to all the songs and it [00:57:00] was, it was, it was pretty cool.

[00:57:02] It was

[00:57:02] Christina: [00:57:02] She’s unreal. Um, she has, uh, released a series of, she calls them like bootlegs or whatever from some of her tours, uh, her last tour, unfortunately, she didn’t have the bootlegs for, but, um, they’re like official recordings of the tours. But at each one of her shows, what she does is she will do covers like from audience requests.

[00:57:21] And so people write, sit down and she’ll pick something out and she’s like, Such a genuine music Virtuo so that she can cover almost any song. And it’s just incredible.

[00:57:32] Brett: [00:57:32] like there’s parts on little earthquake where she like little earthquake where she like transitions from like sad melody into like honky-tonk piano and she makes it work. And it’s kind of amazing.

[00:57:46] Christina: [00:57:46] No it is. I mean, so she was like an actual child, prodigy musician. Like she, I think she was like five or six years old. Like went to some very, very, very prestigious like music Academy. [00:58:00] And they wound up, I think, kicking her out when she was 13 or 14, because she didn’t want to play classical music. Um, but like people recognized from the time she was.

[00:58:13] You know, I guess like basically, you know, could, could play that she is one of those, like once in a, in a generational talents. Right. Uh, and, um, she was in a band and they had more kind of a punk thing. And then she did the earthquakes. It was just as her debut, uh, I guess why Tori can’t read or whatever it was technically first, but, but literal with quakes is like the one everybody knows and, um, When you think about how young she was when she wrote a lot of that and how good it is.

[00:58:44] And as you said, like the switching of genres is truly incredible. Have you ever seen the live show that she did from the, uh, well, I think it was LA mantra. I can’t, I can’t think of the name of it, but there’s like, there’s like, okay, well there’s [00:59:00] cause they’ve released the album, but like there there’s this performance that she has from like 91.

[00:59:04] I think of a per performing a lot of that stuff. Um, I’ll find it and we’ll put it in the show notes because it is well worth a watch or listen to anyone, even if you think you’re like not a Tory Amos person, if you like are a fan of just musicianship and craftsmanship is incredible to watch, um, her like work, especially like at that stage in her life.

[00:59:26] And, um, you know, she. In arguably kicked off that whole kind of like that era of like women’s like women led like singer songwriters with like the nineties, you know, that led into like the little fair thing or whatever. It was like, it was like her Anita Franco, you know, Sarah

[00:59:43] Brett: [00:59:43] like there, that was a weird time because like, this is boy band era and like female, female stars much like Brittany at the same time.

[00:59:55] Christina: [00:59:55] Well, no, this was before Brittany.

[00:59:58] Brett: [00:59:58] okay, wait. Cause these both [01:00:00] happened while I was in high school. So it wasn’t before Brittany by much.

[01:00:03] Christina: [01:00:03] Well, it wasn’t, it wasn’t like they, they had different areas. Like Tori started in like 91 and then Brittany was 99. So yeah.

[01:00:13] Brett: [01:00:13] Brittany was, while I was in college,

[01:00:15] Christina: [01:00:15] Yeah,

[01:00:17] Brett: [01:00:17] that doesn’t feel right.

[01:00:19] Christina: [01:00:19] it’s correct. Cause I was in high school.

[01:00:21] Brett: [01:00:21] Oh man. I did way too many drugs. It’s like a nine year gap right there.

[01:00:26]Christina: [01:00:26] Uh, yeah, so, um, but

[01:00:31] Brett: [01:00:31] Wait. So when was, when was in sync?

[01:00:35] Christina: [01:00:35] 98 99.

[01:00:36] Brett: [01:00:36] What, what, Oh, you just blew my mind. Like I have, uh, I I’m worried lately that my, my meds are affecting my memory, but those memories should be pretty stable. I, I hope you’re wrong. I hope you’re lying. Of

[01:00:58] Christina: [01:00:58] I’m not, no, I’m not.

[01:01:00] [01:00:59] Brett: [01:00:59] Christine. You’re never wrong about

[01:01:01] Christina: [01:01:01] No, no, no, no, no, no, but he, but I will give you, I think kind of a bit, a bit of a excuse. This is why I think you might have some confusion. Lilith fair did take off the same time. That like the boy band movement was happening. Those artists existed before that, but like the concert series and like that whole thing was also the late nineties

[01:01:24] Brett: [01:01:24] wow. Wow.

[01:01:28] Christina: [01:01:28] Lomis Morissette who was later stage that she was arguably she and Fiona Apple, arguably the end of, kind of that era, if we’re being honest, like, um, w th that was 95 for Atlanta in 96 for Fiona.

[01:01:41] Brett: [01:01:41] I, so if I had to choose between Fiona, Apple and Alanis Morissette, like now Fiona wins.

[01:01:48] Christina: [01:01:48] Is Fiona of course, but if we’re being completely real jagged, little pill is one of the greatest albums of all time.

[01:01:55] Brett: [01:01:55] Really, I didn’t like it then. And I like it less now.

[01:02:00] [01:02:00] Christina: [01:02:00] Interesting. I see that I think might be the product of time thing. Cause I was like 12 and that was like the perfect 12 year old girl, like an angst on we like everything

[01:02:10] Brett: [01:02:10] that was one of the things for me. One of the things that shaped my opinions of certain music was who was into it. And I certainly wasn’t going to be into music that 12 year old girls liked.

[01:02:22] Christina: [01:02:22] 100%, 100%. I

[01:02:24] Brett: [01:02:24] anything, anything that was too popular with people that I didn’t think were cool. I just automatically Penn didn’t even give it a chance.

[01:02:33] Christina: [01:02:33] No. I mean it, which is, which is why. Yeah, I can totally see that. And, and we’ve all had those phases and, and, um, that was like why I was like a very like hidden max Martin fan for such a long time. And of course he’s the, uh, songwriter behind all the boy band and Brittany Spears and, and songs and whatnot.

[01:02:54] And like, I liked those pop songs, but I was never going to admit that, like I wanted to. To like, you know, in [01:03:00] high school, like, feel like I liked the, you know, more artsy and, and, um, although it was still mainstream, so it’s hardly, uh, whatever, but, you know, I was in my kind of more indie kind of, I don’t know, it wasn’t in my indie lo-fi phase yet.

[01:03:14] I guess it was more alternative rock, but yeah, you know, that’s a very common thing, but, um, I mean, a lot of this was, was 19 when jagged little pill came out. I think Fiona was 18 when, um, Um, her first album came out, so they were young. Right. But it’s interesting because a lot of times I do kind of compare little earthquakes to jagged little pill.

[01:03:35] Cause they’re both angry, but in different ways and. Although, um, jagged little pill is the far more commercial record, which is evidenced by the fact that it’s sold something like 27 million copies or whatever, you know, it’s, it’s indisputable that little earthquake and in Toria was only a few years older.

[01:03:53] Um, when, when that came out, um, it’s like indisputable that, that [01:04:00] is like the much more artistic like

[01:04:03]Brett: [01:04:03] do you remember Boris, the sprinkler? Do you remember, do you remember the Quincy punks? These, these, these were the bands that I eat a bowl of fuck by the Quincy punks. That was, that was like 1999 for me. Uh, drugs and masturbation by Boris the sprinkler. This is what, this is what I understood. Uh, I, I don’t know anything about any of the, the pop music from that era.

[01:04:32] Christina: [01:04:32] Yeah. Yeah, no, I mean, well, it was the pop of that era was all the boy bands. Uh, the rock of that era was like, cause alternative rock was, was pretty big and, and harder rock was, it was slightly bigger. So you had like, you had good the bands like corn and um,

[01:04:47] Brett: [01:04:47] I was too cool for a corn.

[01:04:49] Christina: [01:04:49] Of course you were, of course you were going to, but I’m just, but yet things like that.

[01:04:52] I recently, I found it on an old playlist because I was going through old mini disks, which is a whole other thing. And I found like buck Cherie. And I was like, Oh [01:05:00] yeah, I remember Bookshare.

[01:05:02] Brett: [01:05:02] Um, do you, do you ever get into underworld? Uh, like dark and long and cowgirl, like those that was as close to pop. There was an album. Uh, I don’t remember what year, but it w it was, I’m pretty sure it came out somewhere between 96 and 2000 called, uh, it was, uh, a group called the eighteens

[01:05:24] Christina: [01:05:24] Oh, yeah. Yeah, they would be Swedish.

[01:05:26] Brett: [01:05:26] It was an album of entirely Abba covers

[01:05:30] Christina: [01:05:30] Yeah.

[01:05:30] Brett: [01:05:30] or Abba.

[01:05:31] Christina: [01:05:31] yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, no, no. I’m, I’m we’re 18 because they had a TV show. Um, they were like an Abbott tribute band or whatever. Um,

[01:05:39] Brett: [01:05:39] loved that shit. I had, I, my girlfriend and I had this whole like synchronized dance

[01:05:45] Christina: [01:05:45] Oh, that’s awesome.

[01:05:46] Brett: [01:05:46] to like, I don’t know, mama Mia or, or Boulay VU or something. And like that stuff was fun. I used to go there’s this club in Minneapolis, you may be familiar with from purple rain called, uh, Oh my God. [01:06:00] W, well, I just blanked on the name of the club first Avenue.

[01:06:03] Um, I used to go to first Avenue for their two for one dance nights. Uh, it was the numbers two 41, but the drinks were also two for one. Um, and they would play underworld and, and occasionally just as a, as a joke, they would throw in a covers and like, I love to dance. Uh, like that was

[01:06:25] Christina: [01:06:25] w well, here’s, what’s hilarious about that to me. Okay. So, and I was wrong. The 18th didn’t have, um, a TV show that was S club seven, but I remember, but I remember the eighteens very well, cause they were like the cover thing. And like you had Aqua who did like the Barbie girl song and stuff like that, but like, okay.

[01:06:41] But that Swedish pop, right. And, and the, all the boy band stuff. Is all the product of, um, um, Shannon, uh, records, which was max Martin. And, um, I can’t think of the guy’s name right now. He died of cancer, um, fairly, um, early into like the rise [01:07:00] of the boy band thing, but that was all their stuff. And they got their start with what was our generation’s ABA to a lesser extent, which was, um, ACE of base.

[01:07:10] Brett: [01:07:10] I remember as a base.

[01:07:12] Christina: [01:07:12] Yeah. Well, EISA base was huge, but, but it’s just funny. There’s a great book, uh, genuinely that you should listen to because the audio book is really good. But there’s also a Kindle version. So this is a free suggestion for anybody out there. And it’s called the song machine and it’s by John Seabrook, who is a staff writer at the new Yorker.

[01:07:32] And it is it’s, um, it’s about seven years old now. But, um, and so some of the stuff isn’t completely up-to-date in terms of how modern songs are written, but it’s kind of a, a look at like the machine of like how. The same kind of group of people have been responsible for making and, and teams have been responsible in different areas of making, like being responsible for popular music.

[01:07:58] And it’s really interesting [01:08:00] to kind of look at like the, the Swedish influence. On pop in general because it’s massive. Like it’s massive. Uh, and, uh, but it’s, it’s an, it’s amazing to me. I love this about you. Like you reject any of the boy band stuff and I understand why it’s not cool. It’s, it’s definitely, you know, like the dance moves, whatever horrible.

[01:08:20] Like I get all that, but yet you loved the eighteens and I think you loved it cause you like to dance. And also you’d like the kitchen element and you’re like, Oh, this is, and you’re like, this is an ironic kind of thing. Right?

[01:08:31] Brett: [01:08:31] Yeah. It’s almost anti-pop.

[01:08:33] Christina: [01:08:33] 100% and I get it cause like I like to Aqua who did the, the Barbie girl song for the same reason, like a, I thought the music video was great.

[01:08:41] B the song was really clever. Like I totally get it. Like it wasn’t Ernest and its thing, but it’s just good. It’s kind of like a, what was the, what was movie that, uh, Rachel McAdams and welfare or in the, um, Euro? Um,

[01:08:55] Brett: [01:08:55] Oh, yeah.

[01:08:56] Christina: [01:08:56] yeah.

[01:08:57] Brett: [01:08:57] I forget what that was called, but that was [01:09:00] hilarious. I

[01:09:00] Christina: [01:09:00] But it was great and the music was good. Right. And like, Eurovision is awesome. Cause it’s kitschy, like it’s 100% kitsch. Uh, but it’s always the Nordic countries that two really well, um, in that. Right. Like always because that’s,

[01:09:15] Brett: [01:09:15] Why is that though?

[01:09:18] Christina: [01:09:18] it’s really interesting.

[01:09:18] Brett: [01:09:18] They also make some of the best metal comes out of Nordic countries.

[01:09:24] Christina: [01:09:24] yeah.

[01:09:24] Brett: [01:09:24] How, how do, how does the same place produce like really good pop and really good metal?

[01:09:32] Christina: [01:09:32] well, and here’s, what’s really messed up. A lot of them are connected. So the guy who started the record label or the studio or whatever were max Martin and in his whole ilk came up was like a long haired, like heavy metal guy. And it just turned out that he had a real ear for being able to do. These kinds of catchy pop tune melodies, which is, it’s such a weird dichotomy.

[01:09:59] Right. But you’re right. [01:10:00] It is like they have the great, like incredibly heavy metal, but also this pop stuff. And I have no idea why. Um, but, uh, maybe there’s something in the water. I don’t know. Like there has to be right

[01:10:12] Brett: [01:10:12] fresh Nordic water. Speaking

[01:10:14] Christina: [01:10:14] Has

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[01:10:37] Christina: [01:10:37] And there’s a web version.

[01:10:38] Brett: [01:10:38] is there really. Good to know, um, it’s called text expander and it, it lets you, uh, it prevents you from repeating yourself and typing things over and over by storing snippets of text as long as they need to be and triggering them with just short, uh, [01:11:00] abbreviations.

[01:11:00] So like for me, if I T if I, and you can get like complicated with it and you can write scripts.

[01:11:07] Christina: [01:11:07] Scripts, which are awesome. Yep.

[01:11:09] Brett: [01:11:09] So for me, if someone needs a cross-grade license for Mark, if they’re using the Mac app store version and sandboxing is preventing them from doing something advanced with it, I can type in an email response.

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[01:11:44] Okay. Five minutes, but still I use it pretty frequently. I like I could not live without TextExpander.

[01:11:51] Christina: [01:11:51] no, I couldn’t either. And I, um, so obviously this, isn’t the thing that I have to do super regularly now all the way do you still have to do when I do [01:12:00] presentations and conferences, we’re doing it remotely. I still use it, but one of the ways. I really love to use like the scripting ability and other stuff would be.

[01:12:07] So when I was doing Microsoft ignite the tour, um, one of the demos that I would do, cause I would do like the first year, it was an hour, the second year, it was 45 minutes. It was doing like this jam packed presentation on Azure fundamentals. And like there’s so much stuff that you’re going through there.

[01:12:23] And one of the things that I would be doing would be kind of like a CLI demo and um, Although I like know the commands. It’s one of those things where, when you’re typing it into a box live, uh, you know, you could get something wrong. You don’t want to like run into an issue where you might create a VM the wrong way or whatever.

[01:12:40] And so I like had a text expander snippet to just insert in not just the commands I needed, but the more important thing was I had a dummy SSH key created so that when I was going through the portal of creating my SSH key, it would insert it. Every time and, and it was great. It saved a ton of time. I ran into an [01:13:00] issue, but I was sort of saved cause there’s a Chrome version.

[01:13:02] Um, uh, that had unfortunately come out by the time I needed this, where my main laptop was not working. And so I had to use someone else’s and then the issue is I’m like, well, shit. Like, what am I going to do? Cause I don’t have my snippets. Like if I don’t have that, like I don’t have. Like my SSH key and you know, like, what am I going to do?

[01:13:22] So, but because there’s, it works in Chrome. Like I was able to, you know, bring that in and kind of sync it over, uh, and do it, which is really nice. But like you said, on Mac iOS, you know, you can use it with Apple scripts. You can have it call other scripts too, but it’s also cross-platform. And so the same, um, like plain tax stuff, or, uh, I guess if you were using JavaScript or something, sort of scripting will work

[01:13:45] Brett: [01:13:45] JavaScript for automation stuff does work on iOS as well, which is awesome. Um, you can also, uh, in addition to just having, you know, uh, your, your repetitive text taking care of, uh, and, and [01:14:00] taking care of consistently without spelling errors, you can also personalize it by sticking in, uh, fill-ins.

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[01:14:53] Christina: [01:14:53] yeah, w plus one on this, like genuinely, uh, we thank thank them for sponsoring our show, but also this is one of those apps that I’ve paid for [01:15:00] four years and, uh, that I love and.

[01:15:03] Brett: [01:15:03] would talk about them, even if they weren’t paying me.

[01:15:06] Christina: [01:15:06] So what I, so what I genuinely like when people are always wanting to know, like one of my top five Mac apps, like this is always in my list because it’s one of those that I don’t know what to do without it, to the point that, like I said, I was installing that Chrome extension so that I could like use it in a demo.

[01:15:24] Cause I was like, I don’t know, like what my commands are for certain things. Cause I just have it so highly automated, you know?

[01:15:31] Brett: [01:15:31] Speaking of top five Mac apps, we don’t have time to get to it, but we’re definitely next week going to talk about how weird it is that GQ magazine put out like their list of indispensable Mac apps. And

[01:15:44] Christina: [01:15:44] it’s good. No, I was looking at this now. Now I think, I think in fairness, this, this is, this is slightly important to say this was GQ UK. And the reason I say that is that I don’t know, like

[01:15:56] Brett: [01:15:56] That’s like the difference between teen Vogue and Vogue.

[01:15:59] Christina: [01:15:59] Yeah, I [01:16:00] kind of, I’m kind of feeling like the UK people are better. Maybe. I don’t know. Although it’s still Connie Nass actually.

[01:16:04] So they didn’t license it.

[01:16:06] Brett: [01:16:06] but I mean like PC magazine has put out lists like this that were

[01:16:11] Christina: [01:16:11] Are so much worse. No.

[01:16:13] Brett: [01:16:13] they picked the wrong apps.

[01:16:15] Christina: [01:16:15] No. Well, this is what was shocking to me. I was like looking through this list and I was like, there is nothing on this list that I disagree with for having an inclusion. Like maybe there would be some apps that I would like put in place of others, but there’s

[01:16:29] Brett: [01:16:29] included moon. Like moon is awesome for window management and no one ever mentions it in the larger publications. Like that’s

[01:16:36] Christina: [01:16:36] I agree. I think they mentioned solver, um, which is like a solver solvers, like not an app people know, uh, net Newswire, which is back in which again, like the major publications don’t even mention. Um, yeah, no, this is like a fantastic list. Uh, Hazel also not

[01:16:54] Brett: [01:16:54] Better touch tool.

[01:16:57] Christina: [01:16:57] like the whole list.

[01:16:58] This is genuinely like we [01:17:00] could have written this list and, and no one would have blinked and I they’ve have been like, yeah, that’s that’s what actual Mac

[01:17:06] Brett: [01:17:06] Actually I think I have written that list. Maybe they read my blog.

[01:17:10] Christina: [01:17:10] Clearly we’ll know. I mean, this is what was impressive to me about it. Cause like I’ve been in the long, but I’ll, I’ll go on a tangent here.

[01:17:16] Like I’ve been in, you know, the content creation game asks of you. But I worked at like mainstream publications and especially at a place like Mashable, which is very mainstream. And although I’m incredibly proud of the work that I did there. And I look back in retrospect and I’m like, Holy shit, I got some nerdy, nerdy ass.

[01:17:34] Shit and Mashable and I did, and I’m like shocked, like in retrospect, I look back I’m like, how in the hell did I convince people to let me do that? And then I think back I’m like, Oh yeah, there were battles. And, and it was hard for sometimes, but like I, and I’m, you know, nothing, if not persistent, but like, you know, we would have stuff that was, um, and this is how I personally gained credit.

[01:17:58] Gained credibility, if not the whole [01:18:00] publication itself. Um, cause it didn’t continue after I left, but like, you know, I would, you know, really try to have really good stuff, but it was not the sort of content you would expect if you’re thinking like a Mashable. And so I look at something like this and I’m like, I know how these games work.

[01:18:15] And like, this is something that somebody is assigned. Because it’s going to rank well on SEO, somebody is going to be searching, you know, best Mac apps and they want to show up in the results. They want to like juice it. I get it. So it’s, it’s one of those evergreen sort of utility posts, nothing wrong with it.

[01:18:30] The thing is how most of the time it works is that you assign something like this and the writer usually doesn’t know a lot about. The subject area, because they’re usually an intern or they’re a junior writer. And so they just start Googling other lists and they rewrite from those lists. And usually you see the same kind of hodgepodge of let’s be honest, like not great applications listed.

[01:18:57] And that’s because the list that rank well [01:19:00] are usually designed by companies who are trying to sell those apps, uh,

[01:19:03] Brett: [01:19:03] that can afford, can afford all the SEO tricks.

[01:19:07] Christina: [01:19:07] Exactly right. Rather than people who’ve actually used it. So I look at this list and I’m like, this is not that right. Like, like solver and moon are not part of those things.

[01:19:17] Better touch tool. Like fantastic ally. This is, this is definitely from somebody who I like it reads reads to me is like somebody who’s actually used these. And it was like, this is my own workflow, which I appreciate, but was just shocked by because it’s in GQ. Which who knew?

[01:19:34]Brett: [01:19:34] It’s cool stuff. All right. So we did talk about it.

[01:19:38] Christina: [01:19:38] we did talk about it.

[01:19:39] Brett: [01:19:39] fit it in, and now we’re, we’re still a tech show.

[01:19:42] Christina: [01:19:42] We are still a tech

[01:19:43] Brett: [01:19:43] can talk about Taylor Swift and Tori ammos and still be a tech show. That’s why we’ve proved. We have proved that we can be both. Yeah,

[01:19:52] Christina: [01:19:52] we have multitudes. Also make sure you put your playlist in for

[01:19:56] Brett: [01:19:56] my BPD playlist. That’s what it’s called BPD.

[01:20:00] [01:20:00] Christina: [01:20:00] Yeah. I mean, if you’re, if you’re willing to, you can copy it and share it to another thing. If that’s what you, if you don’t want to share the actual one, but I want to listen

[01:20:06] Brett: [01:20:06] I would be curious if you made a playlist called OCD, what would be on it? Make a playlist called OCD and

[01:20:13] Christina: [01:20:13] I will.

[01:20:15] Brett: [01:20:15] that fits your own personal disorder.

[01:20:17]Christina: [01:20:17] Oh yeah, no, totally. Well, mine would just be like depressed depression. Um, it would be good, but no, actually that’s not a bad, that’s a good idea. I love playlists. I love making playlists so much. I’ve been working on one for my friend, Ricky for months and, um, I owe it to them and, and, uh, Ricky, I’m sorry that it’s delayed, but I will get it to you.

[01:20:37] Uh, but, um, cause I made like a really good one after folklore came out. Uh, but before evermore dead where it was all songs that like were that mood because somebody wanted. Somebody who was like not a Taylor Swift fan who became a Taylor Swift fan after folklore. It was like, I want to listen to more stuff like this.

[01:20:52] And so it’s really Taylor Swift heavy, but it also has some other things on it. It actually has some Elliot Smith on it. Uh, and, uh, Anson Tori [01:21:00] Amos, actually. So,

[01:21:02] Brett: [01:21:02] you should share that one.

[01:21:03] Christina: [01:21:03] actually I will, I was going to say, I’m going to pull that up right

[01:21:06] Brett: [01:21:06] me a link.

[01:21:07] Christina: [01:21:07] I will, I will put that in the Quip document, but uh, I’ll, I’ll have it an Apple music and on, um, Spotify, uh, because I’m one of those people are your Spotify person, right?

[01:21:18] Yeah. Um, so, but yeah, I, I love making playlists. That’s one of my favorite things. So weirdly I don’t know if I have an OCD playlist except the art and making a playlist itself for me is a very OCD

[01:21:32] Brett: [01:21:32] Yeah, they’re all OCD.

[01:21:35] Christina: [01:21:35] totally will know. Cause the whole thing is like, I want sup usually to fit like a mood and a progression.

[01:21:41] And like, when I, I used to make lists for my playlist, my mom and CDs for her all the time for like mother’s day or her birthday or whatever. And, you know, would often try to like, like a meet her, like at one, one year, which was one of my better ones, actually, all of music. I knew that she would like, but like was new music stuff that she would never [01:22:00] hear on the radio or anything.

[01:22:01] And like I opened and closed it with the same song, but it was performed like. By different people. Um, you know, that’s the sort of OCD shit that I’ll do, you know, to try to like, have like the, the, you know, bookends of something. Yeah.

[01:22:16] Brett: [01:22:16] All right. Well, I hope your, your eye fully recovers and it continues to be healthy after that.

[01:22:24] Christina: [01:22:24] Yeah. Thank you. And, and honestly, I’m just glad, like I never thought that my laziness and not. Getting my like, cause, cause here’s the thing my prescription and I had ordered conducts beforehand, but I clearly hadn’t ordered enough if I had say ordered like six months worth of contacts in December, which I should have, I would have been, um, another year before I went to the eye doctor. And Hey, maybe nothing would have happened, but, um, in the, in retrospect I’m like super glad that my, uh, like laziness [01:23:00] forced me to have an emergency appointment at a Costco.

[01:23:02] Brett: [01:23:02] yet another tale of laziness Pang off.

[01:23:07] Christina: [01:23:07] Right.

[01:23:07] Brett: [01:23:07] It’s a long list.

[01:23:09] Christina: [01:23:09] It is

[01:23:11] Brett: [01:23:11] well, Christina, get some sleep.

[01:23:13] Christina: [01:23:13] get some sleep, Brett.