Christina

[00:00:00] Christina: [00:00:00] You’re listening to overtired. I’m Christina Warren here with Brett Terpstra. Brett, how are you doing?

[00:00:06] Brett: [00:00:06] I am so tired.

[00:00:09] Christina: [00:00:09] This is going to be like a classic overtired episode for, uh, for our long time listeners. Right

[00:00:15] Brett: [00:00:15] I think, I think I’m as tired as the day that we came up with the name over tired in an elevator in San Francisco

[00:00:24] Christina: [00:00:24] at Twitter.

[00:00:26]Brett: [00:00:26] at Twitter.

[00:00:27] Christina: [00:00:27] Yeah, it was in Twitter. It was in Twitter’s offices.

[00:00:30]Brett: [00:00:30] Yeah, I don’t. I was so tired. I don’t remember.

[00:00:34] Christina: [00:00:34] Actually, I don’t remember. It might not have been at Twitter’s offices cause we had lunch at Twitter and I don’t remember if we recorded it Twitter. We recorded it at another startup.

[00:00:43] Brett: [00:00:43] Yeah. Where did we, where did we do that live episode? Like we sat down, I think it was with, with Dave. yeah. Yeah. It’s been how many years? Like eight years.

[00:00:58] Christina: [00:00:58] Well, it’s been like six, [00:01:00] almost seven

[00:01:01] Brett: [00:01:01] Wow. Time flies.

[00:01:04] Christina: [00:01:04] Totally flies.

[00:01:05] Brett: [00:01:05] My, uh, my cats, my older cat, his sister went with my ex-wife and moved to Ohio and she got, uh, she got very sick and I found out yesterday that she was being put down.

[00:01:25] Christina: [00:01:25] Oh, I’m so sorry.

[00:01:27] Brett: [00:01:27] and I was doing okay with it. Like it, it really brings into focus like Yetis mortality,

[00:01:33] Christina: [00:01:33] I was going to say, yeah,

[00:01:35] Brett: [00:01:35] but then a D D posted pictures of like her.

[00:01:40] Have you ever put a pet to sleep when they like wrap them in the towel? And you, you do like the comfort whole list. They go like a D D took a picture of Jessie bell in that towel. And I saw it and I just, just started crying. That was intense.

[00:01:59] Christina: [00:01:59] no, that isn’t [00:02:00] intense. Um, mean I’m not going to judge how many, but he deals with their grief or anything at all, but that’s, that’s a lot, you know, I mean, in terms of taking the photo and like putting it on Facebook, I mean, I do too.

[00:02:10] Brett: [00:02:10] when Emma died, I took a picture of her paw as she laid on the, on the table where she eventually got put to sleep. And I posted it with just the, uh, just the tagline. Uh, you did good, babe. And like, I see that in my, in my history and it still chokes me up every time.

[00:02:33] Christina: [00:02:33] I mean, it chokes me up just like hearing about it, to be honest. And like I said, I’m not judging anything because people deal with grief that way. And like I’m in no way saying like you can’t or shouldn’t do that. I’m just saying that is, you know, impactful. I’m not going to use the word triggering because that word is so loaded with so much bullshit, but you know what I mean?

[00:02:53] Brett: [00:02:53] bullshit.

[00:02:54] Christina: [00:02:54] Honestly, uh, I I’m so mad at both us the libs for [00:03:00] like feeding into it and also, you know, the people who have co-opted it and made it this negative term. Like, honestly, I’m like pissed at everyone for ruining that word.

[00:03:08] Brett: [00:03:08] there is legitimate, uh, and powerful meaning to the word, but it definitely became a divisive, uh, where you make fun of people with

[00:03:18] Christina: [00:03:18] Yes. Yes. So I am saying like impacted, uh, you know, when you see that stuff, like I said, I’m not judging at all because I, I think when my, my grandmother was dying, I, um, took a photo with my phone, which was like a flip phone of my grandfather watching her. And, you know, that was on that phone for, for years.

[00:03:43] I might’ve even transferred it off of that or whatever. And who knows. It was like, you know, sub megapixel quality. So, uh, you know, she wasn’t in the photo, but it was just like him watching her because it was just one of those things and

[00:03:54] Brett: [00:03:54] that’s intense.

[00:03:55] Christina: [00:03:55] it completely right. So like I get it and like, I’m, I’m, you know, I’m [00:04:00] ultimately like a documentarian and sorts.

[00:04:03] So like how I view my life. So I get like, you want to capture those moments.

[00:04:08] Brett: [00:04:08] it’s good for a grieving, like, like you, like, even with Emma’s death, like I went through, it took me like two years to really. I feel like I could like smile at Emma’s life and not feel pain about her death, but it’s still like seeing those images, triggers feelings that I think are important to me.

[00:04:33] Like, I think it’s important to feel them. It’s not like I’m dragging myself through like grief and misery. Uh, like every time I see that picture the feelings a little bit different and a little bit more melancholy. I think documenting that stuff serves a purpose.

[00:04:49] Christina: [00:04:49] I do too.

[00:04:50] Brett: [00:04:50] Of

[00:04:50] Christina: [00:04:50] I do too.

[00:04:51] Brett: [00:04:51] everything. So I have to

[00:04:54] Christina: [00:04:54] No. I th I think that documented, it serves a purpose, all, I mean, is that like, and this is the false of Facebook to [00:05:00] be totally candid. Is that. Um, when you see stuff like that on your feed, or when they remind you, like you take some, like you take a photo or you, you document something like, because you want to get through your grief and then on the anniversary of that or something else, like Facebook wants to remind you a year ago on this date and it’s like, go fuck yourself.

[00:05:19] Facebook. Like, I, I don’t want to be reminded of my aunt and uncle’s death or of something else tragic that happened or, or whatever, you know, um,

[00:05:27] Brett: [00:05:27] when I changed my, uh, my status to single, they stopped showing me memories with my ex-wife,

[00:05:36]Christina: [00:05:36] That’s both.

[00:05:38] Brett: [00:05:38] I

[00:05:39] Christina: [00:05:39] I appreciate that, but I’m also creeped out by that.

[00:05:41] Brett: [00:05:41] Yeah, a little bit. I like I have no, I have, I have great memories with a D D. And like, it’s not terribly painful for me to like, it is what it is. And I kinda fortunately Apple photos in my, like, uh, on this day, photos that are brings [00:06:00] up always has pictures of a D and I, so I get my share.

[00:06:06] Christina: [00:06:06] Yeah, no, I mean, yeah, that’s, that’s the thing. Um, like on the one hand and I can see both, both, both, uh, Well, both like size they’re like on the one hand, I guess either the Apple photo thing that could be depending on your relationship, but depending on how it ended, that could actually be one of those like very ups 100%.

[00:06:24] Like that could be very upsetting for people, honestly, like imagine if you were in an abusive relationship and you just happened and you had them in your, in your, you know, um, uh, photo history.

[00:06:33] Brett: [00:06:33] to go through and delete all those photos.

[00:06:35] Christina: [00:06:35] It would except Apple, like, I’m sorry. Uh, not to like take this away from breast mental health corner, but just to go in a brief aside, um, you know, photos is a, is a terrible, terrible experience.

[00:06:48] And I don’t use anything else. I will not use Google photo or whatever. So I’m stuck with, you know, um, uh, Apple photo library or whatever, but good God, if I had to go through [00:07:00] my. Freaking 12 or 13 gigabytes of photos to try to delete stuff. No, like that. That’s going to be a really intensive, difficult process, you know, like who does that?

[00:07:15] Brett: [00:07:15] I’m making a note. We’re going to come back to this, um, because I have more stuff to say about everything before we talk about computer stuff. But I actually do want to know, like, I’m the same. I only use Apple photos and I really don’t even know what I’m missing because I never tried anything else.

[00:07:36] But anyway, the reason I’m so tired. Aye. So over the last couple of weeks, yeah. As listeners are aware, I’ve had these really short manic episodes, like 24 hours of not sleeping of being like super. Uh, fast thoughts, uh, stay up, write code [00:08:00] and then sleep, and then don’t get the depression. And it’s been on this like one week cycle, like once a week, I’m missing an entire night of sleep.

[00:08:13] And then, you know, that ruins the next couple of days. Like if I, if the mania ends and I haven’t slept, then I’m a zombie, which is where I’m at right now. Cause I didn’t sleep last night and I don’t know what’s going on. And like I said, the first one of these happened before I started the new, uh, stimulant Focalin, but I can’t.

[00:08:37] Be sure that Focalin isn’t part of why this is continuing on a weekly cycle, which is like, I hate the mystery of it because I would love to know how to get off this train.

[00:08:49]Christina: [00:08:49] Yeah. No, and I don’t know what to say with that, cause yeah. Uh, I mean, I guess you could go off the focal end, but then that’s opens up its own can of like terribleness,

[00:08:58] Brett: [00:08:58] is working so much better than [00:09:00] the Vyvanse for me.

[00:09:01] Christina: [00:09:01] right? That’s what I’m saying.

[00:09:02] Brett: [00:09:02] getting so much more focus and actual work time out of a day now. Uh, choices. I like, I like last night, some nights I write really good code when I stay up all night. Um, like to the point where I’m like impressed looking through my, my commit logs last night was not one of those nights.

[00:09:27] I wrote so much bad code. Tomorrow’s going to be like a whole, like get BiSeq party to try to figure out where I, everything. Fortunately, I did write a lot of tests as I went along kind of knowing kind of knowing that I was breaking shit as I went. So I wrote tests to prove it to myself later.

[00:09:47] Christina: [00:09:47] totally. Or you could just do like a get revert and just.

[00:09:50] Brett: [00:09:50] I could, I could erase the whole night, but so I was working on bunch. I’ve had, I’ve had last few days, I’ve been obsessed with bunch, [00:10:00] um, for listeners who don’t know bunches, uh, uh, I think batch files. You remember batch files? Yeah. It’s batch files for your Mac, but it can do a ton of stuff. Anyway. I added this thing where if you indent is like, it runs off of text files and you basically, you write out all the things you want it to do apps to launch commands, to burn, and it can run snippets.

[00:10:23] So you can load in parts of other files. And I made it so that if you in dentist snippet four spaces or one tab, it will wait until every app in the bunch has finished launching before it runs that snippet. So you can do things like broaden, uh, A moon, Apple script to arrange all the windows after they load.

[00:10:46] Christina: [00:10:46] Right,

[00:10:47] Brett: [00:10:47] was a whole thing of like getting into NS workspace and watching, like observing all the notifications for Apted finished, launching, and then dealing with all the apps that don’t send proper notifications.

[00:11:00] [00:11:00] Christina: [00:11:00] which has probably many of them.

[00:11:01] Brett: [00:11:01] it was a whole thing. It. Yeah, it kept me up all night and I kinda kind of solved some stuff, but broke other stuff and,

[00:11:12] Christina: [00:11:12] Yeah. Yeah, no, I mean, I love that idea. I’m also thinking when you just mentioned like apps that don’t do notifications right away, I’m thinking, Oh wow, you, you can, that’s probably one of those features that you might be able to make work for you, but I would wonder if, if you could ever get out like the edge cases.

[00:11:31] For more people, which will be the interesting thing, I guess, to get deep back on.

[00:11:35] Brett: [00:11:35] Do you, you want to know what app was the weirdest,

[00:11:39] Christina: [00:11:39] Yes, I do.

[00:11:40] Brett: [00:11:40] uh, task paper, task paper. When you get it’s it’s and that’s running application, like it’s kind of entry in the workspace. It has no application name. It reports a bundle identifier, but no application name. Which is annoying because as I’m [00:12:00] like to make this work, I have to make a list of all the apps that are supposed to be launching and then watch for them to finish launching. But I have to, I can’t get a bundle ID from an app that hasn’t launched yet. So the easiest way to do it is to use the application name, but text our T test paper after it launches reports a blank name. So I can’t check it off the list. So I had to do this whole thing where like, I wait for the we’ll launch, a notification grabbed the bundle ID at that point and then store the bundle.

[00:12:32] Yeah, it was. Yeah. And you can tell I’m tired because I’m babbling about this stuff.

[00:12:40] Christina: [00:12:40] So other than, um, uh, staying up all night, writing bad code, um, because of it. Like your like weekly kind of manic episodes, um, and being reminded of, um, you know, deaths and, and, and have seen, um, you know, one of your, your cats, uh, put down, how else are you [00:13:00] doing? How you know, other, other, other than, uh, other than that, how is the play Mr.

[00:13:04] Lincoln?

[00:13:05] Brett: [00:13:05] so it’s super good. Super good. Um, here’s the, here’s the cool thing. We finally, uh, got our kitten out of isolation.

[00:13:15] Christina: [00:13:15] Yay.

[00:13:16] Brett: [00:13:16] introduce them and she is getting along great with Yeti. She antagonizes him a little bit. She wants to play and he’s

[00:13:23] Christina: [00:13:23] Of course.

[00:13:24] Brett: [00:13:24] to give any fucks. So he, he like beat her down once in a while, but then she’ll just be like, Oh, okay.

[00:13:30] And then curl up next to him. And like, it’s so cute.

[00:13:34] Christina: [00:13:34] That’s adorable.

[00:13:35] Brett: [00:13:35] with Finnegan, we introduced them to fast and yet he felt like the need to just move into the basement.

[00:13:42] Christina: [00:13:42] No, I remember that.

[00:13:43] Brett: [00:13:43] And, and, and I felt really bad, you know, having my, my like favorite cat, that’s been mine for like almost 18 years, he relegated to the basement.

[00:13:54] So I’m super happy that this is going so well and that they, uh, that they’re so comfortable with each other.

[00:14:00] [00:14:00] Christina: [00:14:00] That’s awesome.

[00:14:01] Brett: [00:14:01] have pheromones

[00:14:02] Christina: [00:14:02] Yeti, and bod Yeti, and God. I love it.

[00:14:05] Brett: [00:14:05] Yeah. Um, speaking of kittens, you want to hear about something cool. It’s a sponsor.

[00:14:14] Christina: [00:14:14] Hell. Yeah.

[00:14:15] Brett: [00:14:15] it’s a perfect segue. Like we should document our segways because sometimes they’re perfect and sometimes they’re hilariously bad.

[00:14:24] I just want a super cut of all of the speaking of of kittens.

[00:14:30] Christina: [00:14:30] Speaking of kittens.

[00:14:32] Brett: [00:14:32] One of the great things about cats is that you don’t have to let them out or walk them. Uh it’s it’s probably my favorite thing about cats. The downside of that is that that means the cat is pooping in your house. Uh, and except in very rare cases, they don’t know how to use the toilet.

[00:14:48] I have seen a cat use the toilet. I have even seen a cat flush a toilet, but it was like one cat out of millions. Uh, so you end up cleaning a litter box. [00:15:00] So what if there was a way to have an odor free litter box that was easy to clean and automatically replaced every month. And what if it was leak-proof but still made from an entirely recycled material and itself was recyclable as well.

[00:15:15] That’s what kitty poo club does. Kitty poo club is an all-in-one litter box solution designed to be convenient for you. So every month they deliver, uh, an affordable high quality recyclable litter box, and it comes pre-filled with the litter of your choice. He gets to choose from silica base litters or organic soy litter.

[00:15:38] And I went with the organic soil litter cause I’m a fucking hippie these days. I live with a hippie. I it’s a, it’s a whole thing. Granola co-op and soy based litter. So, uh, the silica non-toxic and also odor preventing, um, even the hippie stuff is making it easier to love [00:16:00] my kitten controlling all smells, and it is super easy to clean.

[00:16:04] They say that you don’t have to clean your little litter box at all for a whole month. Um, I, I joke. Maybe you can get away with that, but I still clean it regularly, but you don’t have to change your litter every month that you just recycle it and put a new box in. And bod actually loves it too. Uh, I tested it out by putting her usual litter box next to the kitty poo club box and she picked the pity kitty.

[00:16:32] This is a tongue twister, pick the kitty poo club box almost a hundred percent of the time. And I can’t fully explain why cats are weird, but it’s good

[00:16:42] Christina: [00:16:42] I like it. I like it. I’m I’m looking at the website now and I’m, I am looking at the box, which is recyclable and it’s cute. Like it’s, it’s, it’s a nice looking box. I never had a cat, so I’ve never had a litter box,

[00:16:55] Brett: [00:16:55] That’s why I’m doing this

[00:16:57] Christina: [00:16:57] 100%, [00:17:00] 100%. So tell us, well we’re where can people learn more about kitty poo club?

[00:17:03] Brett: [00:17:03] Well, let’s see, you can go to, to kitty poo club.com and you can enter the promo code overtired and you’ll get 20% off your first order. Uh, when you set up auto ship and you just, you get your first box in the mail, you can get a refund if you hate it. And, uh, you just start getting your, your kitty litter changed for you every month.

[00:17:29] It’s kind of beautiful. The weird stuff about the soy-based litter, is that, have you ever had like, um, I don’t know if they have them outside of the Midwest, but like these desserts where it’s like, uh, pretzels covered in like white chocolate

[00:17:46] Christina: [00:17:46] Oh yeah. I’ve had that.

[00:17:48] Brett: [00:17:48] and it like, yeah. And so it’s flat on the bottom, cause it like.

[00:17:52] Melts onto the whatever flat surface the tongue. That’s what this soy based litter does. Uh, when you pulled [00:18:00] the, the pea balls out, they look like desserts. It’s really kind of weird. I guess that’s kind of pleasant, but it’s effective. It works well. It clumps really well.

[00:18:13] Christina: [00:18:13] That’s good. That’s good. Well, that has to make it easier for the cleaning. Right. Even though you don’t have to clean it, like if it close well like that, that’s an important aspect of, of litter.

[00:18:21] Brett: [00:18:21] I don’t think it, I don’t think I had any problem with it smelling. Like I cleaned it out of habit more than anything. Um, and our kitten poops a lot. Like, I feel like if I let it go for a whole month, it would be a minefield of poop balls and peat balls. But anyway, thanks to kitty poo club for sponsoring this episode of tired.

[00:18:46] Christina: [00:18:46] Thank you. Pity. Thank you. Kitty poo club. Yes. Also great name.

[00:18:51] Brett: [00:18:51] say kitty poo. Kitty. Yeah. If you’re really tired, it’s a tongue twister. Maybe if I were more awake, it would be perfectly reasonable.

[00:19:00] [00:18:59] Christina: [00:18:59] I’m not that tired and it was a tongue twister. So thank you, kitty poo club. Appreciate you.

[00:19:06] Brett: [00:19:06] Sure. Um, so, uh, do you want to talk more about photos?

[00:19:10] Christina: [00:19:10] Yes.

[00:19:11] Brett: [00:19:11] Tell me, so I actually kind of like photos. It’s, I’ve never tried to delete a bunch of stuff, but when I want to find a photo, it’s not terribly difficult. Plus it’s got like cool searches for like, you can search for pets or search for cats. And it like automatically is indexed, not just faces, but actual like image types and everything been it’s it’s pretty.

[00:19:39] I like it. I don’t

[00:19:41] Christina: [00:19:41] I mean, I don’t.

[00:19:41] Brett: [00:19:41] with photos.

[00:19:42] Christina: [00:19:42] mean, I don’t, I don’t hate it. I just don’t. Okay. Here’s the thing. They finally added features like the pet detection and face detection and, and some of the search stuff. They added that like five years after Google photos did. And I’m not even exaggerating when I say that, like it was super late and I’m happy [00:20:00] that they have it.

[00:20:00] And I understand why there are the trade-offs right. Like Google photos is better. And, and again, I don’t use Google photos, uh, for lots of reasons, but, um, you know, uh, One of the things about it that would be attractive would be that it has. All of these AI features, that’s also makes it a little bit of a, kind of a privacy and you want, you know, Google machine learning, you know, and applying that to your stuff or, or, or not.

[00:20:24] And, you know, whereas Apple doesn’t do that. And so that’s always the trade-off with Apple, right? Like one of the reasons that Siri is so terrible is that, you know, they don’t do. A lot of the, the better machine learning stuff that, that, um, Alexa and Google assistant and, and whatnot use. But I guess for me, so I, I I’m with you on that for me, the search is okay, but like, it’s not one of those things where I like it’s okay.

[00:20:52] Maybe this is just a personal niggle. I have a ton of screenshots. And it’s not like I can ever search specifically to get [00:21:00] screenshots, you know, it’s like of a certain app or anything like that. And I, and I’m not saying that I don’t think Google photos or anything could do that any better. I’m not saying that.

[00:21:07] I’m just saying that like photos, isn’t one of those things. Um, I’ve never tried to delete a bunch of stuff either. I’m just in a place where if I try to, um, um, ah,

[00:21:20] Brett: [00:21:20] aye.

[00:21:20] Christina: [00:21:20] the photo that you just sent, I love that.

[00:21:22] Brett: [00:21:22] to interrupt, but

[00:21:23] Christina: [00:21:23] No, that’s fine.

[00:21:24] Brett: [00:21:24] out that it can differentiate between kitten and adult cat. And it does a pretty accurate job. So it popped up, it surfaced a photo of Yeti from like 18 years ago. Uh, and that is, that is Yeti in his first couple months of life. Yeah.

[00:21:44] Christina: [00:21:44] That’s amazing. And, and was that a photo that you then added an Instagram filter too? Or was that actually how the, okay. I was going to say, I was like, cause that’d be pretty amazing. If the photo you took 18 years ago, you then like, ha

[00:21:56] Brett: [00:21:56] paper. It was printed out. Like the photo [00:22:00] in my album is a photo of a piece of paper. So, you know, that.

[00:22:06] Christina: [00:22:06] totally. I do. Yeah. Um, I can kind of tell, I was like, Oh, that’s such an early Instagram filter a moment, but it’s perfect. And Oh little Yeti. That’s the most adorable photo of ever seen. I’m sorry, where you have to put this in the show notes so that

[00:22:20] Brett: [00:22:20] Yep. It

[00:22:21] Christina: [00:22:21] everyone can see posted in the discord. Um, because this is, this is honestly too cute for words.

[00:22:28] Uh, wow. Yeah, no, I mean, so I don’t want to like totally shit on, on Apple photos. I just feel like it is one of those things where if I’m trying to find a photo in Australia or something, it can get me the general vicinity, but then I’ve got to like cycle through a ton of them. Um,

[00:22:52] Brett: [00:22:52] sure.

[00:22:53] Christina: [00:22:53] I don’t know. I mean, it’s fine.

[00:22:54] I just don’t think it’s anything like groundbreaking, I guess for me, the big thing is like, [00:23:00] And I think this is probably true for a lot of people. I take a lot of photos and I do very little to actually ever go through them again or call them down and it’s weird.

[00:23:10] Brett: [00:23:10] super handy.

[00:23:11] Christina: [00:23:11] Right, right. And it used to be, and that is one thing that I do think that like, Apple’s things of like trying to find the best shot.

[00:23:17] I usually, um, I sometimes agree with that. I sometimes absolutely do not. It’s not one of the things I really like to trust. Um, but this is one of those things that I think it’s weird. And I wonder if people do this and I’d be curious to hear from listeners, like back in the day, I used to use like iPhoto and aperture to, you know, go through and really kind of Cole my photos and really sort of, you know, be conscientious about like all the ones that I took and really try to organize them now.

[00:23:46]No, like. I, I take them. I carry them from phone to phone, to phone. Um, my, my iCloud, I think I go all the way back to like an iPhone five is, is where the first, um, at least for my uploads go, I’ve got like [00:24:00] Prius up close to that somewhere. But like in my, my, but they’re, they’re not in the I photo library or photos library, they’re like in a different place, but I, you know, whenever they introduced, you know, That kind of iteration or thing of, of iCloud, like literally going back to like the iPhone five is where I kind of start.

[00:24:18] And I’m like, yep. Every photo that I’ve taken from this point forward is here and I can kind of go through them. I can kind of not, I will say like the, the widgets in iOS, that’ll like pop up and show you like recent photo things. Like you said, those can be kind of cool. Although sometimes I just see like weird photos that I’ve taken in my face and I’m like, I don’t want to see this.

[00:24:38] Um,

[00:24:39] Brett: [00:24:39] would think their machine learning could detect good photos.

[00:24:42]Christina: [00:24:42] You would, you would think, or maybe, I don’t know, maybe you would know like, yeah, you take a bunch of selfies. Cause you were sitting stuff through Snapchat or Instagram or whatever. And like, you don’t want to see this again. Like that’s, that’s the weird thing. And I don’t know if any of the photo apps have kind of accounted for that, but like in this age of like Snapchat and, [00:25:00] and Instagram, um, direct messages and stories and things like that, like you take.

[00:25:05] These kind of ephemeral photos. And if you have the settings set on your phone, as I do to like save those things, then they’re captured in and you’re like, okay, this was just like a weird one-off thing. I don’t remember the context. Like now this is showing up on my iPad for like, uh, for like two days.

[00:25:20] And I’m like, don’t show me that. I don’t want to see that,

[00:25:23] Brett: [00:25:23] I used to put keywords. I used to actually go through and like actually tag images and

[00:25:27] Christina: [00:25:27] right. Yeah. Me too.

[00:25:29] Brett: [00:25:29] create albums. And I had, I had flicker going pretty strong. Like I used to create a separate albums for all kinds of events. And I even wrote Jekyll plugins for embedding flicker galleries. And I just kind of stopped.

[00:25:45] I stopped really using flicker. I still pay for like a

[00:25:48] Christina: [00:25:48] I do too. I do too. I was going to say, I still pay for a, for premium flicker count. I haven’t used it in years, you know, and, and smug mug bought them. And, um, you know, they’re trying to kind of keep it [00:26:00] going, but, uh, If you know, who knows how long that’s gonna last? Um,

[00:26:06] Brett: [00:26:06] needed? I have scripts to download all of the original photos from flicker. Yeah.

[00:26:13] Christina: [00:26:13] nice. Yeah, somebody has like, there’s like a, there’s like a YouTube DL, but for images.

[00:26:18]Brett: [00:26:18] Yeah. Yeah. I think, I think I, yeah, I can’t remember if my script actually is all original. Like my Jekyll plugins. Do you know, it’s all custom code, but I think the script I have for backing up a flicker, I used to run it on a, like a regular. Cron job. And I don’t, I don’t think I wrote the whole thing. I think there’s existing tools for it.

[00:26:47]Christina: [00:26:47] yeah.

[00:26:48] Brett: [00:26:48] I have so many photos. I’m like, um, I’m, I’m absentmindedly scrolling through years worth of photos here. Yeah. I’ve stuff dating back to I [00:27:00] phone. I want to say. There was a point where I had a Drobo crash and I lost like two years of my digital life. And honestly, I don’t care anymore, but in that moment it felt like quite a, quite a loss in Drobo.

[00:27:16] His texted port was like, Nope, that’s gone.

[00:27:19]Christina: [00:27:19] Yeah, I remember. I remember, I remember you saying this and there were actually a lot of people who had that issue with Drobo is dribble even around anymore.

[00:27:26] Brett: [00:27:26] I really don’t think so. And like my parents have an old transporter of mine and it’s

[00:27:33] Christina: [00:27:33] They, they, they, yeah. Well, transport went out of business or they were sold to someone. Um, but it still worked for a while. I loved transporter. That was good stuff.

[00:27:46] Brett: [00:27:46] There were a few you, uh, little devices like the transporter, but I mean, really if you’re going to do it right, you’re going to get a Synology.

[00:27:56] Christina: [00:27:56] I was going to say, you’re going to get a Synology or, or a Q nap. Uh, [00:28:00] Q nap is good too. Um, Uh, it it’s, it’s also a NAS brand similar to Synology. So they’re like probably Synology biggest competitor in like the, you know, um, home, small business now space and they’re also very good. Um, We’ve had analogies for years, but I’ve, I’ve reviewed and have used Q stuff.

[00:28:20] And for certain purposes, I think people can maybe do better financially with, with acute app depending on their needs. But, um, the prices are not that different. They’re, they’re pretty comparable. And, and I read a lot of NAZA reviews and, and kind of depending on what you want kind of varies which one, but, uh, yeah.

[00:28:36] Brett: [00:28:36] is buying the hard drives and, and keeping in mind that the hard drives have a limited life. You have to be prepared to replace your hard drives. So it’s an ongoing expense to run a good NAZ.

[00:28:50] Christina: [00:28:50] It is, it is. I mean, that was actually the issue that we had with ours at one point was that, um, our, uh, our dry started failing and we had a couple of them fail at [00:29:00] once and we had to do one of those things where we had to like, um, Kind of by a second NAS kind of offload stuff so that we wouldn’t lose everything because like the raid was failing.

[00:29:10] Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, we, we managed to kind of save it and rebuild it, but yeah, it was one of those things. And, um, and I should say here, I mean, I kind of can’t complain because I had a Synology and we’re going to replace it. I’ve actually been searching for, and this is why I mentioned Kuno, cause I’ve actually been in the process for the last couple of months of researching, um, Different NAZA options because we had us Knology 1813 plus, which is like their eight Bay unit.

[00:29:36] And it’s great. But at this point, you know, it’s old and, um, it still works, you know, for a good storage thing, but in terms of like fourplex or other stuff, like we have to use other servers other front ends like to, to do it. And I would really like to just have the NAS kind of do everything, um, and, and have something that’s a little bit more powerful, but, uh, the thing is, um, The, um, [00:30:00] I can’t talk, uh, some of the drives, you know, died, but, but the, the thing is, is Synology had been kind enough and this was like 2013.

[00:30:09] They sent me that unit and all the drives, which was a massive gift.

[00:30:16] Brett: [00:30:16] like as a loner. What,

[00:30:20] Christina: [00:30:20] no, no. They just like gave it to me.

[00:30:22] Brett: [00:30:22] what,

[00:30:23] Christina: [00:30:23] I know.

[00:30:24] Brett: [00:30:24] why are you special?

[00:30:26] Christina: [00:30:26] Apparently I was to them.

[00:30:28] Brett: [00:30:28] support?

[00:30:29]Christina: [00:30:29] I don’t know. I mean, apparently like, I, I guess a hell of, I know to be totally honest, well, this is what I’m saying. And it was very cool and like that’s never going to happen.

[00:30:39] And I actually feel like a, and I’m not sure if this was 100% the reason why, um, uh, it probably wasn’t, but it was one of those things where I mentioned the accidental tech podcast to the person who walked, who worked at Synology and all of those hosts got Synology is too. With drives. And, but honestly, which was probably one of the best investments, knowledge he [00:31:00] ever made, because those guys talk about it, like all the time and still use them to varying degrees or have bought new ones.

[00:31:06] So like that paid dividends, I’m sure like way more than like giving me mine. Right? Like. I, I will. I, I reviewed it. I’ll make a mention here and there. I will always sing their praises and not because they gave it to me for free, but because I’ve literally had this unit working and in like commission other than having to replace drives here and there, like it has been working the software still updated.

[00:31:27] Um, it is a great unit. Like we, we bought and we’ve since. And bought other ones. So, you know, I’m not like on the, on, on the payroll or whatever, but it was one of those things. Um, cause there’s plenty of companies have sent me shit that I’m very kind to them to, uh, didn’t want to back that like. I don’t talk about it.

[00:31:46] Cause I’m like, yeah, that was a thing. Okay. Uh, we’re Synology I’m like, no, I’m, I’m like I’ve used this for years and years and years and, and I’m a big fan, but like they more than got their money’s worth, you know, giving, [00:32:00] you know, $2,000 plus, you know, loaded systems to the ATP hosts me, probably not so much for the ATP hosts.

[00:32:07] They totally got their money’s worth.

[00:32:09] Brett: [00:32:09] I’m trying to remember what year mine is. It’s I’m looking at the info page, basic information. It doesn’t have the model number on it. I know for a fact that the model number includes the years,

[00:32:20] Christina: [00:32:20] It does. It does, but the last two digits, it’s like, you know, 15, 18, you know, um, like I think the new ones are 20, maybe 21.

[00:32:29] Brett: [00:32:29] It’s an 18, so it’s not too

[00:32:31] Christina: [00:32:31] Nice. No, not at all.

[00:32:34] Brett: [00:32:34] I love this thing. I really do. It’s an allergy. Uh, I’m, I’m putting a time stamp in here so they can, uh, uh, link them to this. Um, Synology I love you. And you should sponsor our podcast.

[00:32:46] Christina: [00:32:46] You totally should sponsor a podcast like genuinely, because we love you disk manager. Also, this is what’s funny. I really liked disc manager there. Um, kind of like, um, You know, Linux, uh, based kind of interface thing that they [00:33:00] have. And what’s funny is that people have like found a way to get disk manager to work with nonce Knology products.

[00:33:08] I’ll be at like very unofficially with that to me is kind of a Testament to how good Synology stuff is that like, cheapskates, like let’s just be real. Are. Like wanting to be like, Oh, I can build my own for less than this, but then they don’t have interface, you know, that they could, they could, you do with it.

[00:33:25] And like, that’s the reality. It’s like, could you build a computer and put more drives in it and have your own interface? That would be less expensive than a Synology or Q nap or whatever, without a doubt, 100%. And if you really want to run your own home lab and, and really want to like control everything by all means like you can have a ton of fun with that.

[00:33:43] For me, I don’t really want to deal with all of that. And I really like how well the Synology stuff works with max, even though it is obviously not a Mac product and unlike Drobo, which I never used, but you are not the only person that I’ve [00:34:00] heard from who had like catastrophic data failure from Drobo.

[00:34:02] Like I, I’m not even joking when I say I actually know five people that that happened to, I don’t know if I’ve ever known anybody who. You know, that sh that happened with this analogy where it wasn’t

[00:34:13] Brett: [00:34:13] heard of a horror story.

[00:34:17] Christina: [00:34:17] no me either. I mean, cause the thing is, is that you will get an alert. So if your rate is dying, like you’re going to get an alert. Now, if you don’t take it upon yourself to replace the drives or when multiple things are failing you’d because what had happened, I think is that the drives that, that, you know, came in our unit were certain Seagate models that had some issues.

[00:34:35] Um, this would be based on some of the Backblaze data and other things. Um, You know, so multiple ones are dying at once. Like, yeah, you might have to do what we do with like buy a less expensive secondary unit so that you can start backing stuff up and like cloning it so you can fix it and repair it. But you’re going to get a warning.

[00:34:54] It’s not going to be one of those things where it’s just one day going to, going to lose all of your stuff.

[00:34:58] Brett: [00:34:58] Yeah. Yeah. I get my [00:35:00] health reports every, I think they come weekly.

[00:35:03] Christina: [00:35:03] Yeah. Something like that.

[00:35:04] Brett: [00:35:04] and I have a stack, a stack of, I think, 10 gig hard drives, waiting for their opportunity to save the day when I can afford, when I have the extra money, I tend to buy extra hard drives. Uh, just because, you know, once a drive fails, you don’t want to be

[00:35:25] Christina: [00:35:25] No, that’s the thing. That’s the thing.

[00:35:27] Brett: [00:35:27] order and hoping it gets there in time.

[00:35:29] Christina: [00:35:29] No, totally. I mean, I am well, and it’s such an Amazon is actually pretty good. Even with the pandemic and everything. You can usually get it fast enough. And I’m now in a position. What?

[00:35:41] Brett: [00:35:41] I think it was micros who posted, uh, pictures of Amazon shipping hard drives with like basically naked with two pieces or the, of those like filled air things in it, but

[00:35:55] Christina: [00:35:55] Oh God.

[00:35:56] Brett: [00:35:56] sloshing around in the box.

[00:35:57] Christina: [00:35:57] Oh no. Oh, that’s [00:36:00] horrifying.

[00:36:00]Brett: [00:36:00] Yeah. Anyway,

[00:36:02] Christina: [00:36:02] Yeah, no, that’s not what you want. Um, you don’t want to order it like naked drives that way. And yeah, I usually like I live in Seattle, so there are a lot of Amazon distribution centers. Um, that being said, not that not that Seattle people get Amazon 70 faster, uh, it just, you know, depends on where you are or whatever, but yeah, you definitely don’t want to be in that position where like my drive is failing and how long do I have to do this?

[00:36:23] Or am I going to have to run out to best buy or wherever and like buy something?

[00:36:27] Brett: [00:36:27] Speaking of

[00:36:28] Christina: [00:36:28] Having them on hand.

[00:36:29]Brett: [00:36:29] I, so this isn’t, it it’s like a perfect segue. Like I’m, I’m a little shocked that this just happened, that I just fell into this, but so, uh, if you take prescription meds, you’re probably used to trips to the pharmacy. Uh, probably still waiting in line, uh, wishing that filling your meds was more like shopping at home from Amazon.

[00:36:54] Um, well, Hey, Amazon has a pharmacy. Now consider this. If you applied [00:37:00] the convenience of Amazon’s online, shopping and home delivery, plus they’re insanely fast shipping times to your medication refills. I think we can all agree. That sounds pretty great. Yeah. Amazon pharmacy delivers your medication directly to your door, so no more waiting in line at the pharmacy or even going to the pharmacy.

[00:37:21] You can have your doctor’s office send your next prescription straight to Amazon pharmacy. And it works with most insurance plans nationwide. Um, Amazon prime members can save on prescription medication when not using insurance and get free two day delivery. Learn more at amazon.com/overtired RX. That’s amazon.com/overtired RX.

[00:37:47] I go check it out. If you get, if you get a lot of meds, it’s totally worth, uh, uh, having them delivered to your door. Like I have, I have refills that happen. [00:38:00] Like none of them, I take five different meds and they all refill on different days

[00:38:05] Christina: [00:38:05] I I’m the same way.

[00:38:06] Brett: [00:38:06] and I have to go, I have to drive to the pharmacy and I go, I use a drive-through pharmacy, but still, I usually have to wait in line a line of cars.

[00:38:16] Pull up deal with people through a window. I mean, shit. I have to leave the house. That’s been enough. I don’t, I it’s a pandemic. I shouldn’t ever have to leave the house.

[00:38:26]Christina: [00:38:26] And then you sometimes run into the issue. At least I do where the pharmacy is out of something where they don’t have the whole thing. And so they make you go someplace else. So I seriously have a thing where I have not only do I have like five to prescribe five different prescriptions, but they could technically be filled at like they’re set to kind of be refilled at different places.

[00:38:46] So then I have to like manually, like in the app, like either call the pharmacy to transfer it over or go to a different pharmacy to pick them up. So. Having your stuff delivered is great. And I’m, I’m pretty sure that with the Amazon prescription [00:39:00] stuff, I’m pretty sure that it also works because a lot of, um, insurance companies will let you get like multiple months at once for certain types of drugs.

[00:39:06] I’m pretty sure that works that way too. So you can just, no, I know. Not for stimulus. I don’t know if stimulants can be delivered mail.

[00:39:15] Brett: [00:39:15] I don’t, I don’t know. I haven’t tried it.

[00:39:17] Christina: [00:39:17] Uh, I’m pretty sure they can’t, but uh, I think for like anything else. Like, like your antidepressant could.

[00:39:25] Brett: [00:39:25] I did try ordering Vyvanse from a, uh, dark web Bitcoin place, but it was a total scam. I got ripped off this. This was like during my two years without medication and I was desperate.

[00:39:38]Christina: [00:39:38] yeah. Where are you getting? Provigil that way too.

[00:39:41] Brett: [00:39:41] Yeah. I was getting new vigil too, to be

[00:39:44] Christina: [00:39:44] Nuvigil yeah,

[00:39:45] Brett: [00:39:45] good.

[00:39:46] Christina: [00:39:46] no, it’s not as good. That was, that was their attempt to. Extend the patent, um, before it went generic. Yeah. Um, yeah. I remember you telling me that,

[00:39:57] Brett: [00:39:57] that. I just, I barely remembered that until just [00:40:00] now those, those dark days.

[00:40:03] Christina: [00:40:03] cause I remembered us talking about, cause I considered it. I was like, is this what I’m going to use? The dark web for like, like. Psychiatric medication that is too expensive for me to get, even though I have insurance and a prescription, is this what I’m going to do? Is this what America is?

[00:40:19] Brett: [00:40:19] you Bitcoin savings. Didn’t you like buy some as part of a, a piece you are writing and then just forget about it.

[00:40:26] Christina: [00:40:26] no. They made me sell it.

[00:40:28] Brett: [00:40:28] Oh, but you’ve got to keep the money.

[00:40:32] Christina: [00:40:32] well, yeah. And then I had to pay taxes on it or whatever, but when I sold it, I sold it like, so I bought it like $10 a coin. Uh, and I sold and like my, you know, investment, I think at that point it had maybe gone up to like, I don’t remember how much it was. Maybe maybe a hundred dollars a coin, maybe $80 a coin.

[00:40:51] I don’t remember what it was. It went up, but it wasn’t, it didn’t go up to the point where it was like anything. I mean, it was, I made a profit to be clear, but I didn’t make a profit, like I would have now. [00:41:00] And it was actually funny because I was at a wedding. A couple of years ago, my best friend, Allie got married and Jim, my former boss was there and this was the last time that Bitcoin hit really big.

[00:41:12] This was, so this was like 2017. And, um, it was so funny because we were all talking and we all talking about Bitcoin. Uh, it was, it was like me and it was Jim and it was some of the people we used to work with. And it was sort of his former colleagues and, and he had a, we were all talking about how crazy it was.

[00:41:29] And as I looked at Jim and I was like, Remember when you made me sell Bitcoin, because you said it’d be a conflict of interest, even though I didn’t actually cover cryptocurrency and the look on his face, he like went white. He was like, how many did you have? I was like, I had like 15 coins Jim. And he was like, I am so sorry.

[00:41:50] Brett: [00:41:50] I had a friend who, who invested early on in Bitcoin and became a millionaire and was [00:42:00] living high on the hog and then decided to reinvest and lost his millions, I should say like millionaire, but just barely over the million Mark, but still that’s so much more money than I’ve ever had. Uh, and then it would, it would suck to have that and then lose it.

[00:42:19]Christina: [00:42:19] Have solace with myself about, um, the fact that I had to sell was that I bought it from Mt. Gox, because that was the like Coinbase of its time. Cause this was like, I wrote the piece and like, like 2012, I think. So there weren’t a lot, I mean, there weren’t a lot of exchanges like Mt. Gox was the big place and I kept it in Mt.

[00:42:42] Gox. Um, and I sold it and. Look, there’s a slight chance that I might have been smart enough to have it in a hard wallet,

[00:42:54] Brett: [00:42:54] yeah.

[00:42:55] Christina: [00:42:55] I’m just going to be real because it was that small of an investment I probably wouldn’t [00:43:00] have. And so when Mt. Gox was hacked or whatever the hell happened to it, I would have lost it all anyway.

[00:43:07] So that’s how I like try to soothe myself that. Especially now that it’s, I don’t even know what it is. It was, it was over $30,000 a coin at one point. And then at that point I’m like, Oh, cause yeah, 30,000 times 15, like, I don’t like, that’s like a half a million dollars. Like I don’t want to, it’s like, you know, like that’s more money.

[00:43:28] Yeah. So I don’t like to go down those types of things. Um, it’d be like, great. I made 800 bucks, like, you know, or whatever it was, but, um, It is what it is. Uh, so I would have lost it. I think, regardless the people I feel for like Leo LaPorte had a bunch of Bitcoin that he got even cheaper than I did. And they’re locked away on a hard drive because he can’t, he doesn’t remember his password.

[00:43:52] So it’s, it’s, you know, blocked. Yeah.

[00:43:55] Brett: [00:43:55] Oh, that would suck. Oh,

[00:43:58] Christina: [00:43:58] Yeah. There’s there. Yeah. [00:44:00] There’s this great New York times article from a couple of weeks ago, we’ll link it in the show notes where they talk to people who had like forgotten. Their their passwords. And like this one guy, he has like a Trezor wallet or like a, um, like a, a device wallet where, you know, you only have a certain number of tries the passwords and he’s got like two more attempts and what’s there.

[00:44:18] It’s like, it’s like millions of dollars.

[00:44:21] Brett: [00:44:21] I saw that as like a, uh, uh, clip. I didn’t read the article, but yeah.

[00:44:26] Christina: [00:44:26] Yeah, it’s interesting. The one thing that will make you feel a little bit better about that is that almost all the people they talk to. Okay. They’ve, they’ve, you know, been locked out of their fortunes or whatever. Most of them have reinvested in a play of money, other places. So, you know, it’s not like the end of the world.

[00:44:42] Cause that would be one of those things where I would like read that and be like, Oh my God, like, how have you not

[00:44:47] Brett: [00:44:47] were homeless, homeless, knowing that if only you had remembered your password? You would be, you would not only have a home, you’d be rich. And [00:45:00] instead you’re destitute, that would suck.

[00:45:03] Christina: [00:45:03] That would completely suck. Uh, but yeah, um, yeah, that article was from a couple of weeks ago and it was very interesting. Yeah. Um, yeah, here we go. $220 million at the time that that article was written, I think is probably higher. Now from this guy who he’s a German born programmer, Stefan Thomas, who lives in San Francisco.

[00:45:24] $222 million. And so at this point, cause it’s one of those things where if he doesn’t guess it in time, then you know, the, uh, the way it’ll work, it’ll erase it. What I would with that much money on the line, I would be doing everything I could to try to, um, make like a copy of that device so that you could, you know, like brute force a password combination over time.

[00:45:51] Um,

[00:45:51] Brett: [00:45:51] what exactly is it that gets, uh, locked away? I mean, like blockchain is supposed to have ledgers that. You know, [00:46:00] verify everything. Isn’t there a way to it. What is it? He can’t recover. Exactly.

[00:46:06] Christina: [00:46:06] Okay. So in his case, because when this would be, this is similar to Leila port, except Lila port didn’t have a Harper device for it’s like you have to set up a private key. To unlock, you know, you are, um, you know, act or you have like a password passphrase or whatever that unlocks your private key that you need to match so that you can have access to your wallet and your different coins so that you can make transactions improve that you own the block so that you can do things with those coins.

[00:46:32] And maybe they are spread across multiple blocks depending on how it works. Um, so, so you need that hash phrase and, and it’s, it’s like highly encrypted. And so there, it’s not easy to crack. I mean, it’s, it’s one of those things where I don’t even know. I think that the encryption that they use, I’m not even sure if it is technically a crack.

[00:46:51] Well now, like it would be one of those things, but the power of computing we have now, like it could potentially take years, you know, if not. Right to do it now. Now [00:47:00] the, the, the, the hope would be okay, how fast do we get to quantum computing? Uh, because if we had quantum, well, no, because genuinely, like we have quantum than quantum could potentially like, solve those hashes and, and break into that stuff.

[00:47:13] The thing with, um, this guy’s thing, because you know, it, his hash, it might’ve been like an actual password that he could remember, um, that, that he had, like for his, his wallet. That hardware piece has like a, uh, you know, it’s kind of like an iPhone. Like you can only enter in a wrong password so many times, and then it erases it and kind of holds everything hostage and that’s like a security device.

[00:47:35] Um, but I would think that potentially the, the a, I would think maybe the security on that might not be as strict beef. He used a N a common word passphrase. It might be something you could brute force more easily than, um, something else. The problem with that is again, like he only has so many tries and he doesn’t want to blow them all.

[00:47:54] So, but if I were him and if I had like $200 million on the line, I would be like, okay, [00:48:00] I’m going to talk with the Israeli companies that I’m a focal, brighter runner. I’m not even joking. Like the companies that did the stuff to the iPhone where, you know, they basically made a copy of the iPhone and then you could brute force, you know, the, uh, the pins to get in.

[00:48:14] Like I would try to figure out, okay, how can I make a copy? Of this treasure of this device so that I can then try to brute force my way into it without like killing the physical device itself. Like that’s what I would do. Uh, but this is like the downside, I think, well, there are lots of downside. I think one number one use a damn password managers is rule number one, right?

[00:48:35] Like if you’re going to be doing any of these things, use a password manager. Number two, I would never use like these types of hardware wallets only because okay. It’s one thing that he forgot his password and that’s unfortunate, but what if the hardware component fails, right? Like which, which to me doesn’t seem like a completely unlikely.

[00:48:58] Possibility. Cause a lot of times these are just [00:49:00] kind of like Android based or other kind of, you know, um, you know, kind of electronic based things and they’re, they’re nice and they’re convenient, but it’s one of those things where I’m like, like most people who have like billions or hundreds of millions of Bitcoin, unlike this guy have what they call them in cold storage where they’ve printed out their long keys.

[00:49:18] Um, and hashes and they have them in like safe deposit boxes. And I think like the Winklevoss twins even have it, where they have like part of keys in certain, in different places. So you have to, you know, like multifactor thing, but they have like literally billions of dollars in crypto. So I understand that at the same time, part of me, I’m like, if you have to go through all this trouble for this fake money, I don’t know.

[00:49:40] Maybe that’s a sign

[00:49:42] Brett: [00:49:42] I think you should, like, you should print sure. Print your hash on like the back of the constitution and then have a national treasure, like a hunt, like, like get people to partake in like a whole national treasure hunt with $200 million on the line. [00:50:00] I, that would be fun. That would be something an eccentric millionaire.

[00:50:04] Could a billionaire you’d have to be a billionaire. Anyway, why are we going to encrypt for quantum computing? What’s the future of encryption.

[00:50:13]Christina: [00:50:13] Yeah, no, that’s a fantastic question. Uh, our security models will have to change and I, so two of my friends are actually quantum. Researchers and, um, uh, like, like that’s what they have their PhDs in. And I’ve talked to them about that because it’s really, it’s a really interesting question.

[00:50:31]Brett: [00:50:31] Yeah, I don’t, I understand the idea of quantum computing and I’ve watched enough YouTube videos trying to like, get a grasp on it, but it’s, I I’m going it’s it’s going to happen. Uh, quantum computers are going to happen and I am going to be left behind. Like I I’m too old to learn an entirely new paradigm.

[00:51:00] [00:51:00] I, I am, I’m a microchip guy and I probably will be until I die. I hope that’s not true, but that is my fear.

[00:51:09]Christina: [00:51:09] I’m going to put a link in our show notes to you for Q sharp, which is. It’s still kind of, and it is not actually related to C-sharp though. The naming is just Microsoft naming. Um, but it is like, uh, it’s like a open source program language for developing and running quantum algorithms. And it’s like, Right now, because we don’t, even though we don’t have quantum computers, they’re still trying to find ways to kind of interface the idea of them and things that we have.

[00:51:40] It’s pretty interesting. Um, if you’ve ever used Python, I mean, it’s pretty similar to Python. So I’ll put a link to that in, um, in our notes for people who might be interested in some of that stuff. Because when I, uh, both Chris and Sarah, uh, work with Q sharp and. [00:52:00] And work with, um, quantum stuff in general and, and, you know, like our physicists, uh, but also computer scientists and are interesting people.

[00:52:09] So I, you like, I, I understand enough, like, high-level about it. Like the low-level stuff. There’s no, like it’s over my head, but I understand the high level stuff, but I’m fortunate enough to play animal crossing and be in, in, um, Twitter threads with, uh, to, um, um, you know, um, quantum people. So

[00:52:27] Brett: [00:52:27] I always, I think I have a grasp on it until I try to explain it to someone else. And then I realized very quickly where all the holes in my understanding are.

[00:52:36]Christina: [00:52:36] Yeah. I mean, I, but I think that’s kind of the whole thing. It was interesting when I gave a talk at Purdue a couple of years ago, and they were kind enough to take me on a tour of the lab where they’re trying to build part of a quantum computer. And, um, so I was able to kind of see like the, um, you know, the.

[00:52:53] The different rooms related. They’re trying to build some of the materials and whatnot. And, uh, it’s really interesting.

[00:52:59][00:53:00] Brett: [00:52:59] do you want count? Can I switch topics? I have good news on the Apple, big surf front,

[00:53:07] Christina: [00:53:07] Okay, please, please tell me because I still have not upgraded.

[00:53:10] Brett: [00:53:10] the last developer seed fixed carabiner. Um, so you can run it without disabling sip now

[00:53:20] Christina: [00:53:20] Thank God.

[00:53:22] Brett: [00:53:22] and related, um, you know, better touch tool, right?

[00:53:28] Christina: [00:53:28] I love better touch tool is the best.

[00:53:30] Brett: [00:53:30] latest version of better touch tool can do a hyper key all on its own. So it can treat your caps lock key. It can make it instead of caps lock, it holds down control, shift, option, and command at the same time.

[00:53:44] And then if you just tap it without hitting any other keys, it functions as escape, which is basically all I really use carabiner for. So now I, there. Um, I’m still, it’s still a little bit, uh, it’s [00:54:00] a new feature. Let’s put it that way. Uh, there’s some kinks to work out, but I’m excited that, uh, cause I, the hyper key, all of the shortcuts I actually assign in the hierarchy are in better touch tools.

[00:54:12] So it’s, it’s super cool that I could do it all in one place.

[00:54:15]Christina: [00:54:15] No. I mean, that’s ideal. That’s ideal. And I see in kind of our notes or whatever, like you also managed to fix marked.

[00:54:21] Brett: [00:54:21] Oh yeah. So just to recap. There was this thing in big Sur where, um, whenever marked output a PDF, um, using technologies that worked fine in all previous operating systems, instead of outputting a backup, pure PDF with selectable text, it would help put a Rasor image that you couldn’t zoom or select or anything.

[00:54:45] And it didn’t make sense. And I, in order to fix it, I was, uh, on this like months, months, long quest. To just completely, uh, rewrite Mark. So it could circumvent this issue [00:55:00] and it was a huge task and I was not even halfway through it. When all of this sudden, uh, an Apple update when 11.2 went public, uh, it, it just suddenly worked and I could put my rewrite on the back burner and that was such a huge relief.

[00:55:16]Christina: [00:55:16] That’s awesome. I’m really glad to hear that. Like, That’s cause, cause I mean, cause you know, you make some of your money off of, um, off of this and, and you know, like it’s frustrating when stuff is broken and you’re like, how do I fix this? And we’re gonna have to refactor and redo everything. Like, am I going to have to rethink the entire design of my application

[00:55:34] Brett: [00:55:34] I

[00:55:34] Christina: [00:55:34] because this thing doesn’t work.

[00:55:35] Brett: [00:55:35] to any of my, I did former posts and feedbacks and I got, I got nothing. They fixed it though.

[00:55:41] Christina: [00:55:41] Okay. They fixed it, which is great. But no, I mean, that’s the frustrating thing to me, right. And I’m not saying like, no company is perfect with this, but I do feel obviously disclosure. I work at Microsoft, uh, you know, but, um, and, and Microsoft is good and bad about this. The one thing I will say, like we do have multiple feedback mechanisms that can sometimes be a problem because [00:56:00] people don’t know which way to use, but I will say by and large, you know, try to be responsive and at least try to like give.

[00:56:07] A response, like you’ve been heard, even if it isn’t fixed or done the way people want. And it was frustrating to me sometimes with Apple stuff is that I know that they have really good people working there, but it is such a black box of like feedback going in and then no response or followup until it’ll be fixed or not.

[00:56:26] And, and you don’t really know why. Um,

[00:56:29] Brett: [00:56:29] Apple have developer advocates?

[00:56:31]Christina: [00:56:31] Developer relations, but they don’t have advocates the way that like, uh, we do and Google and Amazon do know

[00:56:38] Brett: [00:56:38] Yeah,

[00:56:39] Christina: [00:56:39] they should.

[00:56:40] Brett: [00:56:40] yeah, there should be. I’m going to, I’m going

[00:56:41] Christina: [00:56:41] They should.

[00:56:42] Brett: [00:56:42] that I be a developer advocate for Apple. I’ll take that gig, uh,

[00:56:47] Christina: [00:56:47] I think you’d be great at it.

[00:56:48] Brett: [00:56:48] my plush life of indie developer. And I would, I would, I would pick up that mantle and I, I, I would make the sacrifice. I can do that.

[00:56:57]Christina: [00:56:57] Yeah, no, I think he’d be great at that. And I mean, I [00:57:00] think that, that, um, when it’s weird, I think that the devil for them falls under marketing and it varies from company to company. Uh, how that works and I don’t think that’s inherently a problem. Cause I think marketing at Apple is actually very different from marketing and a lot of other places, I think that like they treat marketing as like a very high level discipline that is very closely tied to product.

[00:57:19] And a lot of people hear marketing, especially engineers and they roll their eyes and they think that it’s like bullshit or a lesser thing. And I think that’s false on its space, but I think especially at a place like Apple, Like their marketing people are very deeply connected with the product stuff, but, uh, at like Microsoft it’s under engineering, um, like we’re, we’re not like part of the engineering teams, but like I’m classified as an engineer.

[00:57:44] And like, we’re, we’re not like under, like we are ultimately in the Azure organization. And Scott Guthrie is my executive vice president, not, um, Chris , who’s the chief marketing officer. Um, I think at Google. It might be [00:58:00] under engineering, but it’s in a slightly different way. Some places it’s under product.

[00:58:05] Um, some places it’s under marketing, it varies, but yeah, I mean, look, I think. Yeah, I think that that Apple should hire you as a developer advocate. I think you would actually be a perfect person for that who could give them feedback, who could also help communicate with the public, like what’s going on because, and, and that’s the thing that I think would be at least how they’re currently one kind of an anathema to it, which is.

[00:58:28] You have people who are more public facing, who are talking about stuff. And certainly you have people at Apple who do some of that on they’re more open than they used to be. They’re more blogs and, and some people are allowed to speak more at events and that sort of thing, but it’s not like a super common thing.

[00:58:45] Um, at Apple where, you know, you have a lot of people speaking on the outside, um, About the company or about things people are doing or even about, you know, kind of tangentially related stuff. You know what I mean? Like it’s all [00:59:00] very like, like, Oh no, we are not going to publicly talk about this unless we’re one of the few teams that has a blog post.

[00:59:07] Okay. Well, it is. And it’s like, I don’t know. I, I, I obviously come from a place of bias here, uh, because my past has been as a journalist who has often tried to get those messages out to people. And then now as, as an advocate, who again, tries to get those messages out to people, but also tries to get that feedback back to the product teams.

[00:59:26] I’m a big fan of transparency, just in general. That’s kind of my personal emo. I understand their reasons. You can’t always be transparent because a people can’t always handle it. And B it’s not always in your interest to, to do so, but I think that we better just to like, let people know what the score is, or at least acknowledge, we hear you like.

[00:59:46] It’s awesome that they fixed the issue was I bet that you would feel better if you knew. Was it something that I did or was this something that was broken in big Sur? Like, to me, that’d be the thing that would drive me nuts.

[01:00:00] [01:00:00] Brett: [01:00:00] it. Yeah, it was, it was definitely a big Sur issue. Uh, because the version of Mark that I tested with was the, like a build from a previous version that it was not working on. And then the update ran and then it was working.

[01:00:15] Christina: [01:00:15] Right. No, totally. And, and, and so clearly they changed something, but you know what I mean? Like, but to know like, okay, was, do they have to change it on their end or was, or, you know what I mean?

[01:00:25] Brett: [01:00:25] to know why it broke to begin with in what world. Should a print to PDF function ever output arrests or image, like why was that even possible?

[01:00:35] Christina: [01:00:35] Right, right. And, and I mean, and, and the, the real answer might be, they made some changes for some other reasons, and it wound up having a side effect of breaking things that, that, you know, had issues for third parties and whatnot. And they decided to either revert it. Or, or fix it, you know, in some other way.

[01:00:55] Um, and, and, and, you know, and, and like that is a completely common thing. [01:01:00] You know, you make a change to refactor to do something and you don’t realize all the consequences it can have, and that’s why you need users and especially developers to file feedback so that you can know that stuff. But I dunno, it just feels like it’d be, if you knew, like, if you had an acknowledgement of like, why it was broken, like, you know, you don’t need a whole post-mortem on, I’m not saying that, but it.

[01:01:22] It would be good, or at least at least if there was like a way who, because to me, I think the bigger thing is like you file. Cause I, this runs, I, it happens to me and this is more with user facing stuff, not with a lot of the API stuff. And it’s like, I file a radar or excuse me, a feedback. And it goes into a black hole.

[01:01:36] And I don’t know if it’s been seen and I don’t know if it’s been acknowledged and maybe it’ll want to be fixed and maybe it won’t, but I just kind of put it out there and it’s like, even if it were fake, just like sort of a check Mark, that’s like, we’ve seen this. Would placate me, even if, even if it was all a facade, I’m not going to lie.

[01:01:54] Like give me the warm, fuzzy feeling that at least someone has read this.

[01:01:57] Brett: [01:01:57] yeah, right to me. [01:02:00] Like maybe it’s not in your best interest to be transparent, but you should at least pretend.

[01:02:06] Christina: [01:02:06] Yes, this is all I’m saying. Just even if you’re not really being transparent, fake it. Um, because that goes a long way, but.

[01:02:14] Brett: [01:02:14] so it’s random aside, like speaking of developer relations, I have this project called MD less and it’s this silly little script I wrote quite a while ago. Let’s see. When was this last updated? Uh, 17 months ago, originally six years ago.

[01:02:35] Christina: [01:02:35] Yeah, this is like a services thing, right?

[01:02:37] Brett: [01:02:37] it’s a, it’s a command line tool that is like a replacement for your pager, like less or more, or, um, and it, it does it syntax highlights marked down.

[01:02:49] It doesn’t render it, but it will basically format it for, um, for the screen for the terminal. And, uh, it was, uh, [01:03:00] It was a little passion project and there are probably better tools since then that that do it well. But for some reason it suddenly gained a lot of users and I have 34 closed issues, but I have 19 open issues right now.

[01:03:17] And every one of them is, you know, uh, a half hour fix and. I just, I need to turn this repo over someone who still gets his shit, all these people. Like it’s just a tool for like previewing your markdown. Cause obviously you’re writing it to go somewhere, like get hub or into, into marked or something. Like, it’s just a way to like, get a quick look at your markdown.

[01:03:43] And people are very much pushing it to its limit. Anyway. I shouldn’t even be talking about it. I don’t need it to get any more popular.

[01:03:52] Christina: [01:03:52] Well, I mean, but that could actually be a thing. I mean, is it on GitHub? Where is it? Where is it living right now? Okay. I mean, I, I think the, the biggest thing there would [01:04:00] just be to create an issue and, and call for maintainers and just like full out, say, I need a new maintainer for this. I need to hand this off.

[01:04:07] Brett: [01:04:07] Good call. I should do that. Yeah, I did that with, uh, uh, the sublime text package I wrote for Merck down, uh, it was called cleverly enough markdown editing, um, and it included, uh, some cool themes. And I, it was a very like opinionated package that basically just made things work the way I wanted to, uh, and with all the markdown editing shortcuts and everything.

[01:04:33] And I, it started getting popular and I, it did everything I wanted it to, and I wasn’t prepared to add any other people’s stuff to it. I did, I, I ended up turning the repo over to, uh, I forgot, I can’t remember his name, but he took over and he’s, he’s maintained it and he’s added a lot to it. And I still have, uh, like push permission on it, but I don’t [01:05:00] anymore.

[01:05:00] So, yeah, I mean, that works. I envy, like I’ll probably turn my NBL repo over to someone who cares to maintain it at some point too, after envy ultra is out.

[01:05:15] Christina: [01:05:15] Yeah, which I think would be great and that, that would make people happy. And if some, if it’s not people are using, you know, this, this, um, uh, Mark less, um, tool, um, then, and, and you, you don’t have the time or the energy to maintain it and you don’t want it to like, to take on like the burden. Yeah. I think just call it food, put a call out for a new maintainer and hopefully somebody will step up.

[01:05:37] I think that’s kind of the great thing about open source.

[01:05:40]Brett: [01:05:40] I have 104 repositories on GitHub

[01:05:44] Christina: [01:05:44] That’s amazing.

[01:05:45] Brett: [01:05:45] every one of them is an actual project that,

[01:05:48] Christina: [01:05:48] See, most of mine are not. That’s the thing. I don’t know how many, um, repos I have. Um,

[01:05:54]Brett: [01:05:54] I have, I have a tool called Reiki. Um, that is [01:06:00] a like REI K. I like the, the healing art, but it, it, it, it’s a shortcut for rake, uh, like the Ruby Ruby version of make, and you can just type R and then it’ll fuzzy match the commands. And create like with Reiki, you, you type things like rake, uh, build, and then in square brackets you put like CSS to build like Trish your CSS.

[01:06:28] This is if you’re, if you’re not using gulp, like a good person, um, and, uh, rake means w with Reiki, you just type R B and then, uh, like colon CSS. And it would be, it would run that command for you. And it, it has the auto-completion or everything. I honestly don’t know the commands anymore, uh, to run most of my rig tasks because Reiki has made everything so simple.

[01:06:55]I highly recommend Reiki. I’m going to link it in the show notes.

[01:06:58] Christina: [01:06:58] Lincoln Lincoln there [01:07:00] I have 37 GitHub repos, uh, in my personal thing. So

[01:07:04] Brett: [01:07:04] how many of them are worth me downloading? Uh, I would recommend probably. 80 out of 104 of mine, you can have

[01:07:13] Christina: [01:07:13] Yeah, so yours are good. Now I’ll tell you what, what is good of mine? So my, my Rebos are not worth downloading. What is worth, what is worth looking at me for, and I’ve heard this from multiple people. My stars are lit. I star really good shit. So

[01:07:28] Brett: [01:07:28] girl on get home?

[01:07:30] Christina: [01:07:30] I am, but no underscore, cause they don’t allow underscores.

[01:07:32] Brett: [01:07:32] Oh, okay. Let’s let’s look at Christina’s repositories. You have a TM themes repository. Is that a mirror?

[01:07:41] Christina: [01:07:41] a no that’s mine.

[01:07:43] Brett: [01:07:43] You’re awesome.

[01:07:45] Christina: [01:07:45] Yeah, I created that one and, um, a lot of it was things from other people and I actually created it for a Mashable article I wrote in like 2010 or something or 2011. And, uh, yeah, it it’s remarkable. It was remarkably popular for a really [01:08:00] long time. Um, that’s like the most popular thing, um, that, that I’ve done on, on, uh, uh, get hub.

[01:08:05] Some bookmarklets just some work stuff, some stuff that’s not public. Um, but if you look at my stars, my stars is. Sorry, go on.

[01:08:13] Brett: [01:08:13] this number 1,600. Is that the number of things you’ve started or is that how many people have started your stuff?

[01:08:19] Christina: [01:08:19] No, that’s how many things I’ve started.

[01:08:20] Brett: [01:08:20] Jesus,

[01:08:22] Christina: [01:08:22] I know. So I could do some calling, but if you just like go through like the, the top thing, like it’s, it’s good. Like I find good things and I start it as, so.

[01:08:35] Brett: [01:08:35] set up a feed. You could like have an, uh, curated newsletter of just your latest get hub, repo stuff you could use.

[01:08:45] Christina: [01:08:45] I like that.

[01:08:46] Brett: [01:08:46] we talk about Cindy at all?

[01:08:48] Christina: [01:08:48] We did. We talked about Cindy. Yeah. So I could use Cindy.

[01:08:52] Brett: [01:08:52] Yeah.

[01:08:53] Christina: [01:08:53] I actually really liked that idea. I like that a lot. I also like that just having a feed that I could have on like the website that I’ve been in [01:09:00] this process. We’ll talk about another episode we’re running out of time, but I’ve been working on for a long time.

[01:09:04] Like I’m rebuilding like a whole world presence and it’s been taking a while because I’ve been wanting to really figure out how I want to do it the right way. But I would actually really like to have a feed of just my GitHub stars because my stars are good. Like I do find cool projects that I then do.

[01:09:18] And like my, you know, Justin Williams.

[01:09:21] Brett: [01:09:21] Yeah,

[01:09:22] Christina: [01:09:22] Okay, well, Justin, um, uh, who’s literally like my twin.

[01:09:26] Brett: [01:09:26] I, I sent out my first March newsletter using Sunday and it was basically just plain text and he wrote back immediately is like, that is the most Bret terptree newsletter I’ve ever gotten.

[01:09:39] Christina: [01:09:39] I love that so much. So, so Justin and I are actually remarkably, like, he’s the male version of me. It’s actually quite freaky. He’s two days older than me. We are incredibly similar on so many levels. It’s it’s uncanny, but anyway, he frequently texts me and he’s not the only person who’s done this. Who’s like, I really enjoy following you on GitHub [01:10:00] because the stuff that you star, you find some really good stuff.

[01:10:03] And I’m like, thank you. I, I think so. You know, like I don’t like, I, that was never kind of like my. Like goal with that. It’s just, you know, I kind of use it as a place where I’m like, Oh, I like this project. And then I do search my, my starred packet. My started repositories, you know, from time to time. Cause I’ll be like, what was that thing?

[01:10:22] And that’s why I start a bunch of stuff. Cause I’m like,

[01:10:24] Brett: [01:10:24] how do you, how do you find all this stuff? What’s your, uh, What’s your source.

[01:10:30]Christina: [01:10:30] It varies. Hacker news is a big one. Sometimes it’s sometimes it’s the explore page within GitHub. Sometimes it’s other things, hacker news. That was honestly a big one. If I’m being honest.

[01:10:40] Brett: [01:10:40] Yeah. There’s actually a cool iPhone app. I would have to let’s see. It might be in my reading folder right now. Read, um, No, maybe not, but there’s a cool iPhone app that, and I think it just pulls like, based on stars, like [01:11:00] most currently popular stuff, but I find a lot of, uh, fun. I’ll find it and I’ll link it in the show notes.

[01:11:06] It’s I find something cool. Every time I open it

[01:11:09] Christina: [01:11:09] That’s awesome.

[01:11:10] Brett: [01:11:10] clouded by senior clouded advocate by day pop culture nerd at night. Um, I’m, I’m creating a Pinboard bookmark for your starred feed because I’m going to steal stuff from you and use it for my web excursions on my blog.

[01:11:30] Christina: [01:11:30] Honestly, it’d be great for that because there, and there’ve been so many things that I’ve brought up on the pod that have been things like get hub projects that have been things that I’ve like, that I’ve started. Yeah.

[01:11:39] Brett: [01:11:39] here and everything. Yeah.

[01:11:41] Christina: [01:11:41] Yeah. And like, um, there’s, there’s some interesting things. Um, like, uh, what was, what was an interesting one, uh, had have a vessels there.

[01:11:49] So there’s rgb.net and open RGB. So, cause I’m in the process of building a PC and I want to make it all RGB ified, but all PC components [01:12:00] have this one appeal to you, but this might appeal to some people. All the components. RGB is a big thing and although most of them will use open a RGB or addressable RGB headers on, on motherboards.

[01:12:13] Some of them use their own proprietary controllers that then go into this headers and. Most of them have their own software stacks that you need to control the lights, which is a fucking pain in the ass. Because if you have different brand of lights for your fans versus like your cooler versus something else and, or maybe yes, maybe built into your case and you want them all to work, you don’t want to have like, Three programs running so that you can control like your lights.

[01:12:38] So there is this, uh, program, um, open RGB that is basically kind of like reverse engineered or found API APIs into all of those things. So they created one interface to be able to control all the lights from all these different controllers, which is interesting. Um, rgb.net is another one. And, um, uh, liquid, uh, there’s also one [01:13:00] called Artemisia.

[01:13:00] There they’re like a bunch of things. I kind of went down that rabbit hole, um, a couple of days ago as I’ve been, I’m still trying to find a damn CPU. So if anybody has a hookup on a 5,800 X or 5,900 ex AMD chip, let me know in the discord, but, um, uh, that’ll be a fun topic for the future when, uh, we can talk about, uh, Christina is adventures and, um, hardware building.

[01:13:24] Um, although like I haven’t done this in forever, but it’s so much easier than it used to be. That it’s very, it’s very sweet. And I know we went to like, uh, I’m not trying to like pick on or say anything to any of the many, many, many nice men. Who’ve talked to me about PC building because I, I very much appreciate them, but the level of mansplaining has been.

[01:13:45] Uh, well, it’s just funny to me cause I’m like, cause, cause I I’ve been saying Katie I’m like, I haven’t done this in awhile, but I think people hear that as like you’ve never done this before and I want to be like, okay, but it’s way easier now. Like I don’t have to short motherboard [01:14:00] pens anymore and you know, and, and like you have a lot easier components and you know, it’s, it’s, it’s easier than it used to be.

[01:14:08] So it literally is just plugging Legos at this point. So. Um, I, I, but I’m excited to do it because who doesn’t want to play with Legos as an adult, but, uh, yeah, some of the

[01:14:19] Brett: [01:14:19] Sorry. I’m sorry.

[01:14:20] Christina: [01:14:20] one, no, go on.

[01:14:22] Brett: [01:14:22] there’s this, uh, You know, Lego Lego has these, uh, kind of contests too. If you, if you get like 10,000 votes, you, you get to make an official Lego set. And this dude built, uh, an entire replica of Frasier’s apartment.

[01:14:40] Christina: [01:14:40] Ah, yes. Yeah. What are they?

[01:14:43] Brett: [01:14:43] link this. He only has like 2000 votes right now.

[01:14:46]I I’m sorry. I derailed everything we were talking about, but we’re also out of time.

[01:14:51] Christina: [01:14:51] we are also at home. I was going to say, um, I got the friends sets that they did from that series

[01:14:58] Brett: [01:14:58] Nice.

[01:14:59] Christina: [01:14:59] because [01:15:00] they, somebody created like a central perk. Um, and, and so they, they did that one and also Sesame street, but yeah, I really hope the Frazier one comes to life.

[01:15:11] Brett: [01:15:11] the Frazier, like, I guess, cause I’m currently like watching all the Frazier again. So it’s the one that matters most to me. Um, and I think I might be alone in that. I don’t, I don’t know if anyone out there loves Frasier as much as I do right now.

[01:15:27] Christina: [01:15:27] Okay. Actually, you’re not the only, I’ve heard this from so many people. Like, I, I 'cause, it’s, it’s come back, you know, on a number of different, um, uh, like platform stream platforms or whatever, but I’ve actually heard from a large number of people, um, that they have gotten into Frazier. The first time I’ve gotten back into Frazier.

[01:15:47] So, no, you’re not alone.

[01:15:49] Brett: [01:15:49] Good to know. Good to

[01:15:49] Christina: [01:15:49] It’s had kind of had kind of, um, Lego ideas. That’s what the program’s called.

[01:15:54] Brett: [01:15:54] Yeah. Yeah. I’ll, I’ll find a link to, to both the contest and this particular [01:16:00] set, uh, Verde. I just found this, uh, this app through your, your, your stars that we’ll talk about next time, if it’s any good. All right. Well, Jesus, I, I, uh, I pulled off a long episode considering like zero sleep. Maybe. I don’t know if it was good.

[01:16:20] I really can’t tell.

[01:16:22] Christina: [01:16:22] Yeah, let us know in the discord. Also, thank you. In the discourse, people who’ve worked on election stuff for validating my fears of, um, electronic voting machines. I appreciate you. Uh, that makes me both like, feel maybe more paranoid, but also like less paranoid. Like I don’t feel. Not more paranoid makes me feel maybe like more worried, but also less paranoid.

[01:16:44] So I, uh, my, my fears of election machines or electronic voting machines don’t seem like a crazy persons. So appreciate that from you. Um,

[01:16:54] Brett: [01:16:54] a whole conversation in here on, behind on.

[01:16:56] Christina: [01:16:56] yeah. I, uh, I, I’m trying to be more active in the discord, [01:17:00] so

[01:17:00] Brett: [01:17:00] love that. I love that for you.

[01:17:02] Christina: [01:17:02] yeah, me too.

[01:17:03] Brett: [01:17:03] That’s great. I appreciate it. Trying to keep a community going.

[01:17:07] Christina: [01:17:07] Yeah, no same. And I’m sorry that I hadn’t believed.

[01:17:09] Brett: [01:17:09] involved.

[01:17:09] Christina: [01:17:09] It for sure. And I’m sorry that I haven’t been, um, uh, up until now, but I will be, I’m going to make a very like, concerted effort going forward because I like to connect with people who listen to us and I would like to learn new things and meet new people.

[01:17:22] So, um, but yeah, we’ve been going on for awhile and I have to get to a meeting and you have to hopefully get some sleep,

[01:17:29] Brett: [01:17:29] Yes, I, uh, I will get some sleep, Christina, get some sleep.

[01:17:34] Christina: [01:17:34] get some sleep, Brett.