223: Zealotous

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[00:00:00] [00:00:00] Brett: [00:00:00] Hello, you’re listening to over-tired. I’m Brett Terpstra and she’s Christina Warren. And I just nailed that intro. How’s it going, Christina?

[00:00:10] Christina: [00:00:10] You just nailed it. I’m so excited for you. Uh, I’m pretty good. I’m pretty good. It is. Uh, I was, I said like when we were talking pre-show it’s it’s the last day of a school meeting is the last day of like the hellish, like four years. We’ve just spent. We’re about to graduate into something better, hopefully

[00:00:30] Brett: [00:00:30] Yeah. And the seniors are totally dissing the freshmen.

[00:00:34] Christina: [00:00:34] completely, completely.

[00:00:38] Brett: [00:00:38] Yeah.

[00:00:40] Christina: [00:00:40] So, yeah, that was an illusion for anybody out there. This is as we’re recording, this is the last day of the Trump administration, um, which, uh, knock on wood. And I’m literally knocking on wood because. We, I don’t want to tempt fate, but it does seem like we [00:01:00] somehow, barely. And I do mean barely got out of this, um, without like nuclear apocalypse.

[00:01:09] Brett: [00:01:09] It does feel like a close call. Uh, where are we at with like the violence predictions right now?

[00:01:18] Christina: [00:01:18] Uh, the FBI and people are on it. So I think that there are still some predictions, but I don’t think, I think at this point, a lot of people are spooked. If that makes any sense, like I’m not expecting. There to be a huge anti protest on Wednesday, but I don’t think anybody knows. And the only reason I’m not expecting that is because they literally have, um, police officers going and getting right gear and stuff from hotel lobbies in DC.

[00:01:50] Like

[00:01:51] Brett: [00:01:51] Don’t they have like tens of thousands of national guard troops deployed in DC. Now

[00:01:56] Christina: [00:01:56] Exactly exactly. It’s like, Oh, it only took an insurgency for [00:02:00] you to actually, you know, listen to what these people are saying that they’re going to do and, and, and beefing up security around this stuff. It only took that. Um, so, so I feel like to me, it’s Danny with, with faint praise, you know what I mean?

[00:02:15] It’s like, it’s kind of like, The TSA is a terrible institution, but it took nine 11 for airports to actually like, do anything about security, you know,

[00:02:26] Brett: [00:02:26] Yeah. To at, to at least have some security theater, I suppose.

[00:02:30] Christina: [00:02:30] Yeah. And, and in some cases they have actually copyable, like, I don’t think enough to like, be able to justify some of the more egregious TSA rules having said that like other countries have taken on stuff too.

[00:02:42] And, and yeah. At least have a security theater with it. You know what I mean? But I think of anything else, like the theater probably does scare some of your less like zealous people from, from doing it because they’re like. Well, I’m going to get caught, you know? Um,

[00:02:58] Brett: [00:02:58] a word. Is [00:03:00] it zealous or is it, is it zealous when you’re referring to a zealot?

[00:03:04] Christina: [00:03:04] I think it’s selfless when you’re referring to

[00:03:06] Brett: [00:03:06] If it’s not a word it is now

[00:03:08] Christina: [00:03:08] I pretty sure that it zealous as a word Buzzell. Cause zealous, I think is the, is the adjective Andela this would be like the adverb.

[00:03:16] Brett: [00:03:16] of zealots. Yes. Anyway, I do. Yeah. I do think, I think that theater discourages, well, it discourages me, like if I ever had a thought of.

[00:03:27] Christina: [00:03:27] Right,

[00:03:28] Brett: [00:03:28] anything dastardly, like I’m, I don’t even, I think you’re allowed to have like a blade under like three inches or something like a fingernail Clippers, things like that.

[00:03:39] Like, I don’t even try, like,

[00:03:41] Christina: [00:03:41] No, totally.

[00:03:42] Brett: [00:03:42] I bought the, the Gerber artifact without the Exacto blade on it. I’m adding the Gerber artifact to our show notes because that’s the coolest thing ever. No, not ever. I’m sure there anyway, you’ll see. Follow the link in the show notes.

[00:04:00] [00:03:59] Christina: [00:03:59] Yeah, no, same with me, although I like, I’ve never really, you know, I, um, I’ve traveled with scissors before and sometimes like that has been compensated, whatever, which fine. But, um, the, the big thing with me is it’s always been like, Oh, well, I’m certainly not traveling with drugs through the airport. Um, although that is remarkably easy as well.

[00:04:21] From what I understand, I don’t know. I’ve I’ve, I’ve I’ve

[00:04:24] Brett: [00:04:24] want to, you want to hear a story

[00:04:27] Christina: [00:04:27] I do want to hear a story.

[00:04:28] Brett: [00:04:28] nine 11, but it was an international flight because I was going to Canada and. I was like, this is the middle of my heroin addiction. And I didn’t know if I would be able to score in, I think we’re going to, I don’t even remember. Um, but I wasn’t sure I would be able to, to stay high.

[00:04:51] And so I spent a hundred dollars on a, like a bottle of just like every [00:05:00] possible, uh, pill that a junkie could want. Um, uppers and downers and relaxing and like unlabeled too. Like, I didn’t even know what half the self wise it was to kind of like take the blue one if you’re feeling this. And like the guy that sold it to me gave me crazy instructions.

[00:05:18] Anyway, I didn’t, I didn’t know how much trouble I would get in for having pills that weren’t in a bottle with my name on them. So I wrapped the whole thing up in saran wrap and put it, you know, Where you would, um, I’ll just say it. I put it on my butt and I went through customs with all that in my butt, went through the x-ray machine, scared shitless that I was going to get caught because I was paranoid.

[00:05:48] Anyway, I’m on drugs. I’m paranoid. And I, I made it. It was no problem. I have to say having been through that experience, I do think it would be really easy to get a fair amount of [00:06:00] drugs through TSA.

[00:06:03] Christina: [00:06:03] Yeah. Um, at this point I’ve accidentally gone through, I think with edibles before which whatever, and that stuff like looks like any sort of other matters. So if it’s not, you know, in, um, Like containers that outwardly say that their drugs, if they were to go through your stuff, like, you know, it would be difficult.

[00:06:23] But yeah. I tend to think that you’re right. Although there’s a certain amount of profiling too, right? Like I was paranoid because when I went to Dubai, I was coming from Europe and I, um, cause I flew from. I think it was an Amsterdam. Um, but I might’ve been in Stockholm nose and Stockholm. So I went from like Stockholm to Dubai, I believe.

[00:06:49] And, um, or, or maybe it was Amsterdam and then Stockholm was later. Anyway, I flew from like one place to another, and I had my DEXA [00:07:00] during with me and. I was like really concerned that they were going to like arrest me or do something to me for having a controlled substance and you buy and like, and I did all the research, but it’s really unclear there in terms of like what you can bring in and what you can’t.

[00:07:14] I had a doctor’s note. I had like the prescriptions, like I had, like, everything that I thought was, was allowed, but I was also like severely freaked out that they were going to go through my medication or, or whatever. So I invoked the ultimate, like. Protection, which is white privilege. And I paid, I don’t know, like $200 or something for the concierge service where they meet you at the plane, and then they take you in a golf cart too.

[00:07:48] Um, a waiting area where I like had a, uh, a drink non-alcoholic cause it was during, um, Ramadan, um, and uh, watched some TV. I [00:08:00] remember this is when the first impeachment was happening. Someone went and got my bag for me. Then I had my own private, like x-ray thing, which, because I was being hand walked in by someone.

[00:08:12] I don’t even know if they looked at the screen. Then I was taken to another lounge where I waited for my chauffer, who then took me to my hotel.

[00:08:20] Brett: [00:08:20] All because you were worried, they would take your Dexedrine away.

[00:08:24] Christina: [00:08:24] I wasn’t worried. They take my Dexedrine away. I was worried. I’d get arrested for having to exit train, and then I’d be in like, and then I’d be in a Muslim country. Like that. That was my concern. I was like, okay, if I can’t have it, I can’t have it fine. But, um, but, but there was a very real concern because again, I was going from like one country to another.

[00:08:44] Like, I didn’t want to be without it for like two weeks.

[00:08:47] Brett: [00:08:47] We, we started talking about Trump and we got to like drug drugs in TSA in like one paragraph, basically.

[00:08:56] Christina: [00:08:56] We did. You know why? Because I’m just ready to be done.

[00:08:58] Brett: [00:08:58] Yeah. So here’s the thing [00:09:00] about that. Um, I am, I am allowing myself today to actually feel relief. Like, I like, I’ve always tempered, like, yeah, Trump’s done, but he’s not really going to go away. Here’s the state of, uh, like the right and, and, uh, and like white power and terrorism and none of this is going to change.

[00:09:23] And I don’t like Biden all that much. I don’t have high hopes for the new administration, but I’m letting go of all that right now. And just. Just feeling the relief that we’re so close to just being done with Trump.

[00:09:38] Christina: [00:09:38] I, yeah, no, I’m I’m with you. And although, you know, I’m kind, I, I come around on Biden a lot just because I think that, I dunno, I feel like it’s what we need right now. We need somebody who is competent and who, um, can hopefully get some stuff done, right? Like,

[00:09:57] Brett: [00:09:57] yeah. Now, now that we have the [00:10:00] Senate, I do have hopes that maybe even we can push some more progressive legislation. I it’ll be an uphill battle, but the possibility is at least there

[00:10:12] Christina: [00:10:12] No. Totally, totally. And, and, um, I don’t know. I get tired. When, like we do this on the left where we eat our own and I get it. I do, I, I understand the impulse, but I’m also at a certain point. I’m like, can we like not, can we just celebrate the fact that this asshole is gone?

[00:10:31] Brett: [00:10:31] yeah, I never really celebrated. Uh, Biden’s victory to begin with for the aforementioned reasons. But tonight, tonight, I will have, uh, a fake beer and salute democracy working.

[00:10:48] Christina: [00:10:48] Yeah, seriously. Um, and although, you know, barely again, because it almost didn’t, um,

[00:10:55] Brett: [00:10:55] But like the, the, the loops that [00:11:00] democracy had to go through this year. Kind of gives me faith in the strength of our institutions that they could withstand an all out like onslaught of, uh, basically attempts to undermine democracy and our institutions withstood it. And that, that I have a little more faith now than I actually did before we, you know, Trump.

[00:11:29] So, you know, plus side.

[00:11:33] Christina: [00:11:33] No. I, I agree with that. I, um, I think it’s, it’s, it’s been sort of a relief that the system did work because I think, I mean, a lot of, a lot of places look to us, not just, you know, because not that we’re the, I don’t think we’re the oldest democracy. I think there might be some that are older, but like we, you know, like if, if it, if our, if our experiment failed, like the way that our Republic works failed, like that would be [00:12:00] a negative harbinger for democracy in general.

[00:12:04] And, and it’s a relief that, that, again, knock on wood like that hasn’t happened.

[00:12:09] Brett: [00:12:09] Uh, if I watch a lot of, um, socialist and along with all my aunt or, uh, atheist, YouTube that I watch, I watched a lot of socialist stuff and, um, they always talk about, uh, how us is supposed to be like the shining, the Paragon of democracy. And we don’t actually live in a democracy. I mean, if anything, we’re like, we’re run by corporations, people.

[00:12:36] It’s not one vote, one person, one vote, and we don’t really have the say that we think we do. Um, all that said though. Yeah, I’m still feeling pretty good about our democracy right now.

[00:12:50] Christina: [00:12:50] Yeah. I mean, look, it’s not, it’s not perfect, but it’s, it’s better than most of the other systems. Um, and, um, yeah, so.

[00:13:00] [00:13:00] Brett: [00:13:00] So, uh, I, I did, uh, I have, uh, a bot that I’ve probably mentioned before in our discord that tells us what our topics for the day are going to be. It’s that little dice rolling app that I wrote a macro for

[00:13:13] Christina: [00:13:13] Yeah, I, I saw, I saw that I saw that it were politics, religion, TV, and of course, Taylor

[00:13:19] Brett: [00:13:19] Yes. I have a separate, I have a separate bot that tells me whether we have to talk about Taylor Swift or not. And I will, I will say I had it phrased so that it doesn’t say we have to talk about Taylor. It just says, sure. Go ahead and talk about Taylor. So we have permission to talk about Taylor Swift. W w we’ll see if we get there.

[00:13:40] Christina: [00:13:40] Well, we’ll see if we get there, but, uh, but we’ve covered politics. We’ve got a little bit into religion. Do you want to do an, add a read before we talk more about, um,

[00:13:50] Brett: [00:13:50] Yeah, we have three sponsors today. We should have talked about what order we were going to do them in.

[00:13:55] Christina: [00:13:55] I think just go on the order of the

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[00:15:33] Brett: [00:15:33] That was an amazing read. Nice job.

[00:15:37] Christina: [00:15:37] Thank you. Thank you. And thank you, ritual. Um, I, I I’m I’m I’m going to chalk it up to the vitamins for

[00:15:42] Brett: [00:15:42] really? You’re really on the ball. All right. So we can, we, can, we have a couple other politics topics we could hit, but we have a long list today. So do you want to do TV or religion?

[00:15:58] Christina: [00:15:58] Well, you were kind of talking [00:16:00] about religion. Um, With the last thing, it kind of came up a little bit. So maybe let’s just finish on that and then we can go

[00:16:07] Brett: [00:16:07] so here’s my, here’s my religion topic. And I’m going to talk about this because I know my mom doesn’t listen to this show. Um, however, my mom and I are friends on Facebook and, uh, she posted. A poster a little, it’s not a meme. It’s like actually a picture of a poster that says, don’t worry about tomorrow.

[00:16:28] God is already there. And I had to stop myself from commenting. I just wanted to say, is this the same God that invented COVID and the AIDS crisis is this the same God that is responsible for infant mortality rates and. Uh, it took a lot, like I kept going back to it. I kept actually like loading up, like clicking in the comment field and then walking away like three times.

[00:17:00] [00:17:00] I just, I don’t, I guess I don’t really want to have that conversation.

[00:17:06] Christina: [00:17:06] No, uh, it’s to me, there’s no point in making a comment like that. It’s not going to make you feel any better. It’s not going to make her feel any better. You’re not going to agree to it. It’s just going to be a pithy, like, frankly kind of shitty thing for you to say that, like, you’ll be like, ha ha look at how much smarter I am than you, but like, it’s not going to change anything.

[00:17:24] So I think those are good things where I’m glad you bit your tongue it’s like, say it on the pod, tweet it. Right, exactly. That’s what I’m saying. Like, these are things that we can, like, you can always choose cause. I I used to, especially when I was younger and better about it now, uh, although, I mean, I still get myself into trouble, but I’m significantly better about it now.

[00:17:44] Uh, people think I don’t have a filter and I’m like, Oh no, you have no idea. Like how much I’m actually

[00:17:49] Brett: [00:17:49] Can hear the things I’m not saying.

[00:17:52] Christina: [00:17:52] Exactly. But I think about it. I’m like, what’s the value in this and on Facebook, that’s actually one of the reasons I’m not on Facebook a lot [00:18:00] is I’m like, What am I adding to this discourse?

[00:18:03] Is anything actually going to like, come from this? Um, I got sent apparently some hate, uh, Instagram messages from people who were mad about me. Um, like with the QCAT guy. And, and, and, and some of them were invoking God. So this fits into both our religion and our politics segment. And it was so funny because I don’t allow, like, I screen messages before anybody can kind of like send something to me.

[00:18:32] And so I obviously didn’t approve this, this message that came through and I just kind of laughed at it. And I was like, I got like two of them. And I’m like, why would you send this to a stranger? Like, you’re going to seek me out on Instagram. So that you can tell me that I’m a godless liberal Haven who knows nothing about technology or science.

[00:18:55] And I’m like, okay. Um, [00:19:00] right, exactly. I’m like, yes, I’m, I’m, I’m, I’m a godless heathen liberal, but like also, like, does this make you feel better? Like what, what are you getting out of this hall? Like shows her and I’m like, no, I don’t really care.

[00:19:14] Brett: [00:19:14] feel like comments like that actually come from a place of passion though.

[00:19:21] Christina: [00:19:21] I mean, I think passion, but it’s also, you can be passionate and still be stupid.

[00:19:25] Brett: [00:19:25] absolutely. I’m not saying there’s any justification for saying it, but like making a snide comment as an atheist, uh, is just purely, um, uh, condescending. Whereas coming out and being truly angry at someone for stuff they posted and calling them ignorant and stupid, like that actually comes from more than just haughtiness.

[00:19:51] Christina: [00:19:51] No, I would agree with that. Um, although, I mean, I think that there’s, there’s probably a certain amount of, of like, if you actually were to comment, which you [00:20:00] didn’t, I think that there would be like something you could say. Yeah, I was passionate about this and this anchored me enough that I had to actually, you know, I didn’t, I, I didn’t have self restraint.

[00:20:12] Anyway. I’m glad you had restraint because.

[00:20:15] Brett: [00:20:15] The question, uh, can God make a Boulder big enough that. He can’t lift it. Uh, it actually is part of a whole, like a logical fallacy analysis. And I really kind of want to pose it. Like, not just academically. I want to pose it to my parents because I’m curious how they.

[00:20:39] Christina: [00:20:39] They would say faith. They, they, they, they, they would have faith. I mean, that’s the answer and, and that’s, that’s ultimately the thing, right? I think that’s ultimately the thing that separates people who believe in people who don’t. And I, I grew up with faith and I grew up, you know, people who have that and.

[00:20:54] I haven’t been able to excise all of it completely from my life. Like, I, I I’m agnostic, but [00:21:00] I don’t deny that there could be some greater being out there for me though. Faith came down to a comfort thing and, you know, are you getting something positive out of this or not? And for me at a, at a point in my life and I, I chronically, I think it was with sort of the Boulder thing, cause I’d always believed.

[00:21:16] It was like, God will, I was always taught to believe and I’d always believe like, God will never give you more than you can handle. And when I was 15 years old, I had more than I could handle. And, you know, it caused this very like emo angsty on we existential crisis of me where I ended up, you know, like not believing in an organized religion and, and going through various things between like, am I full on, you know, atheist or agnostic?

[00:21:47] Or where am I, and the analysis I’ve done with it, at least in my opinion, is that. And how I’ve tried to explain it to my mom is I’m like, I don’t find comfort in this. This [00:22:00] doesn’t give me what it’s supposed to for a lot of people. I think that the faith gives them a comfort that there’s something bigger out there and that is worthwhile.

[00:22:08] And I don’t discount anybody for doing that. But if you have that, no, like logical explanation is ever going to,

[00:22:19] Brett: [00:22:19] Right. Well, and I, I’m not suggesting that posing the question would change their mind, but the very, like the basic ideas that. If God, uh, can create a bowl, if he can create a Boulder so heavy, it can’t lift it, then he’s not all powerful. And if he can create a Boulder, he’s so heavy, he can’t lift, but then

[00:22:38] Christina: [00:22:38] Right then he can’t, if he’s not doing, he’s not. Right. I mean, and I think that what, I don’t know, I don’t know what people would say. I think, because again, it’s logical policy. I think you probably have people who would say he could, but he was.

[00:22:52] Brett: [00:22:52] Yeah, I would. I just, I’m curious. I’m curious what approach they would take. I’ve probably said this before, but it was, [00:23:00] uh, I didn’t like feeling bad about masturbating as a kid, and that was enough to make me. Start leaving the church. Like it just didn’t make sense to

[00:23:12] Christina: [00:23:12] No. I mean, that makes we’ll know that. And I think that, that makes sense. Right? You, you felt guilt about something that you didn’t think you should feel guilty about. And so you evaluated like, well, should I stop this behavior? That makes me feel good. And that is natural. And you know, it has all these other things.

[00:23:27] Or should I investigate, like what is telling me that this is wrong and, and when you start asking those questions, That becomes a lot deeper. And for me, like, I was never somebody who was like, all about, like, I’d always been aware of, um, a lot of the fallacies within like the Bible and other religious texts themselves, you know, because they, they were, they were written by man.

[00:23:53] And, and so, you know, it was kind of like taught that they’re like imperfect. I wasn’t raised in the sort

[00:23:58] Brett: [00:23:58] See, I was raised [00:24:00] as a Bible literalist.

[00:24:02] Christina: [00:24:02] Right. Totally. And, and I was not, uh, although I did go to school with some people who were like, you know, super Baptist, like Bible literalist, and, and those were people that even when I was what I would consider very spiritual, you know, whatnot, I was like, not into that.

[00:24:17] I was like, okay, like, there’s there, there there’s faith, which I get. And then there’s also just like straight up, you know, like ignoring, like. Reality, you know,

[00:24:31] Brett: [00:24:31] literally is super easy to pick apart. Like it does not hold up. Uh, if, if you look at it as a bunch of parables and a bunch of kind of concepts. Yeah, you can, you can, you can explain it all the way with just faith. But if you’re saying that Noah actually had, you know, dinosaurs on an arc.

[00:24:51] And that the entire kingdom of Judah sprang up from one family that survived the flood. And [00:25:00] then within like three generations, there were 10,000 of them. Like it’s super easy to pull apart the, the kind of facts of this stories. Um, it can’t, it’s just, you can’t take it literally.

[00:25:14] Christina: [00:25:14] Well, no, I mean, and then the more you look into things about like what texts were omitted and changed and why they were and what the clergy did. And, and, and I mean, and this is not just true of Christianity. This is true of Judaism. This is true of Islam as it’s true of, um, you know, like, um, uh, Hindu, like this is true of if anything and, and it’s, but the interesting thing is there are certain like historical facts that are there.

[00:25:37] Like there was a great flood. Uh, you know, they’re like, because every religion has like references to it and, and there ha there were certain world events that happen, but it doesn’t mean that everything that was written in those, those books is, is accurate, right? Like,

[00:25:54] Brett: [00:25:54] church, they taught us, there was geological evidence for a worldwide flood that is in [00:26:00] fact incorrect.

[00:26:01] Christina: [00:26:01] right. No, there wasn’t a rule by flood, but there was a great flood, like yeah. That that’s like. I think at this point, I think they’ve historically proven that. And I think that the fact that it exists in so many different texts that are even something stuffs up that isn’t religious, like it’s proof that like, it wasn’t as all encompassing as maybe it was made out to be, but it was like a big event, right?

[00:26:23] Like that was something that it was passed down, but that has some basis, like, it didn’t just appear out of thin air, the whole, you know, arc thing. No, but. The fact that there was, you know, that, that seems like that’s something that somebody came up with as a, as an explanation for how did we survive and why are the animals here?

[00:26:42] Brett: [00:26:42] Exactly. It’s a story that was used to explain. Yeah. Yeah. Did you know there was a gospel of Judas?

[00:26:50] Christina: [00:26:50] I did,

[00:26:51] Brett: [00:26:51] you know how weird it got?

[00:26:53] Christina: [00:26:53] uh, I

[00:26:54] Brett: [00:26:54] There was this whole, I can’t remember the, uh, the kind of. The name of the [00:27:00] sect that, uh, believed this, but it, it, it kind of laid out this idea that, uh, the God that the God Yahweh was actually one of several gods and he was kind of a, a bad, a bad God.

[00:27:15] And there was a, uh, a God higher than him that could not be named. And, uh, Uh, Judas Jesus had actually been sent by the higher God to save people from Yahweh. And, um, I’m, I’m paraphrasing and trying to remember how this all went together, but there’s actually a lot of, kind of, um, uh, th things that actually made it into the Bible that seem to have come from this particular ideology.

[00:27:49] And, uh, and things were changed, uh, uh, , uh, low Elohime, uh, like, uh, there are, there are references in the [00:28:00] original, uh, Jewish texts that actually are plural gods instead of just God. And the, the shift from polytheism and monotheism was kind of. Half-assed and a lot of the biblical texts, it gets crazy. Uh, there’s so many weird things going on that I, I would be hard pressed to put them all together intelligently, but if you ever want to go down a YouTube rabbit hole, look up,

[00:28:27] Christina: [00:28:27] will

[00:28:27] Brett: [00:28:27] up like dead sea scrolls, look up the

[00:28:30] Christina: [00:28:30] Oh yeah. The dead sea scrolls stuff is the, yeah, I was gonna say, uh, the, the gospel of Judas, according to Wikipedia is a Gnostic gospel. Um, but, uh, an English translation was published in 2006. Um, and it was, um, unveiled by. Um, a team at a Vanderbilt university’s divinity school, which that’s interesting to me because a lot of times like the dead sea schools and some of this stuff comes from people who let’s just say have less credibility in religious [00:29:00] studies.

[00:29:00] Right. Uh, uh, I would say that that Vanderbilt divinity school has credibility. So that’s interesting to me that, that, um, they were, you know, like responsible for unveiling the work. At least according to this. That’s

[00:29:17] Brett: [00:29:17] I mean a lot of that stuff, you could unveil it in a very, uh, academic way. I mean, you’re talking about like, we’re, we’re revealing what one sect of Christianity believed

[00:29:27] Christina: [00:29:27] no, no, exactly. And, and that’s what I’m talking about. I’m just saying like some of the stuff, like, obviously the dead sea scrolls and stuff like that exists, but it becomes co-opted by like conspiracy theorist type things, you know what I mean? Whereas this has some academic basis, um, which, which is

[00:29:42] Brett: [00:29:42] man. Have you ever followed the, uh, Taylor Swift Illuminati means,

[00:29:47] Christina: [00:29:47] I have, I have rabbit hole, although I think the bigger one is Beyonce and the Illuminati.

[00:29:53] Brett: [00:29:53] Oh, I’ll have to look that up.

[00:29:55] Christina: [00:29:55] Yeah. She’s like, she’s, she’s like the center of it, honestly. [00:30:00] Uh, and then her whole thing too, is like, there was the whole, like the thing that she wasn’t actually pregnant with blue Ivy was part of it or there’s, there’s a lot. If you look at Beyonce Illuminati, it’s a

[00:30:13] Brett: [00:30:13] See, I was trying to work. Taylor Swift in early for

[00:30:15] Christina: [00:30:15] I know you are. I know you are. And that was, that was good. Uh, I mean the, the, I think the Taylor Swift Illuminati thing, there was a thing for a while with her where, um, like she didn’t show her belly button for a while, but then that didn’t cease to be true.

[00:30:28] And so people were like, Oh, she doesn’t show her belly button. And so that’s because really there’s some sort of portal to something, you know, like her she’s hiding some sort of lizard stuff,

[00:30:38] Brett: [00:30:38] about as much sense as Q and Anya.

[00:30:41] Christina: [00:30:41] Completely. Um, I’m going to link, uh, put a, put a link in here to the bizarre Beyonce conspiracy theory explained from Forbes because that’s what Forbes does now.

[00:30:55] Uh,

[00:30:57] Brett: [00:30:57] This episode going really well or really horribly, [00:31:00] I can’t even tell.

[00:31:01] Christina: [00:31:01] I think it’s going really well. I think it’s going really well. Also, you P we had on there, the, the MyPillow guy, which good stuff, and. Um, I noticed on Twitter that my pillow has been dropped from a Wayfair Kohl’s and bed bath, and beyond have severed ties with my pillow CEO, Mike Lindell, because of his ties to president Trump, including recent comments about a stolen election and suggestions of martial law.

[00:31:28] Brett: [00:31:28] That was kind of a big deal. And then dominion voting machines is suing him for, I assume, liable.

[00:31:36] Christina: [00:31:36] Yeah, no, totally. And the thing is like libel cases are pretty hard to win in the United States. Uh, I think this is going to be pretty easy and it’s interesting too, that news organizations, uh, primarily Fox, but also OAN and I think Newsmax have had to issue. Updates and corrections of sword on the air to prevent being sued, which is really [00:32:00] notable.

[00:32:00] Cause the thing is, is like, okay, you can go after this, this Mike Lindell, uh, guy or whatever, because fine. Um, you know, he’s got a lot of money, but he probably doesn’t have, you know, he doesn’t have like the resources of, of a, um, a news Corp, right. Um, or, or Fox, whatever the hell they’re called now, since they split off, like he D he doesn’t have Murdock money is what I’m saying.

[00:32:20] Um, but when you’re a news organization, And you have to make a correction like that to escape a libel suit. That’s really telling, like, that’s really telling, um, uh, that, that like, you’re like, yeah, we’re going to lose this, this defamation lawsuit. It’s like, okay, cool. Um, fuck that guy, man. Like, honestly,

[00:32:45] Brett: [00:32:45] I don’t. I don’t understand. Yeah. Yeah, this has been this administration and the people they have brought into the forefront of our consciousness. It’s been appalling and like, I can’t believe some of these people were [00:33:00] ever given a microphone at all. Like they don’t stand up to any test of intelligence or, or a coherence.

[00:33:12] Christina: [00:33:12] No only me. There’s sycophants and, and they’re yes, men and they’re weak, right? I mean, these are the people Trump talked about the best and brightest, but obviously that’s a lie because the best and the brightest have never accepted him. That’s been his whole Griff the whole time. Right? Like the only person in his family who for a brief period of time.

[00:33:32] Was able to achieve like mainstream Acceptibility amongst the actual Leitz was Ivanka. Right. And she’s blown that. Um, but she she’s completely, um, although people want her to run, which is scary, but I also don’t think that’ll happen. But like people are saying like, they want her to run for, uh, against Rubio, um, in, in Florida.

[00:33:55] Um, I don’t think she has any desire to do that. I think that she. Is [00:34:00] regretting like being an enabler to her dad and, and like, and I’m not saying that like she should have, you know, like completely disassociated with her father. Cause like that’s difficult. I mean, even Reagan’s kids who like, did not agree with him at all were at least, you know, I mean, he’s their dad, right?

[00:34:19] Like I think that, that, that, um, Michael Reagan was, was, you know, Might’ve actively protested against some of his father’s policies, but it wasn’t like he was going on TV, like shitting on his father. Right. Like, I can understand that how ever, um, like when you become an enabler and you become complicit with it, you can’t come back from that.

[00:34:45] But the irony I was, I was going to say though, is like, he always was, he was from Queens, right. He wasn’t even from like the good like Burroughs. He was from Queens and his dad had money, but it was new money and he wasn’t accepted by the new boat reach and they [00:35:00] didn’t like him. And, and he was somebody who.

[00:35:03] Kind of, you know, bought his way into being in the room with some people who were powerful, but were also usually like new money Grifters, like the actual social elites, like the people that, you know, you and I will never associate with, but like that exists out there, like the Vanderbilts and you know, like the, like, frankly like the Anderson Cooper’s of the world, right?

[00:35:22] Like we’d never touch him. And that’s the thing. So who is he going to have as his hangers on? Because the actual powerful people, they might. Pony up to him and try to see if they can Curry some favor, because that’s what you do. But the people who are actually going to be like the Zelda’s like fans of his are going to be people who have somehow managed to make money in some ways, but don’t have any respectability or, you know, like the Kotlin or these people who, as you said, like should never have been given the time of day.

[00:35:55] And because. They’re the ones who were really looking at him. They’re like, Oh [00:36:00] yeah, he’s great. And everybody else is like, no, he’s like a low class loser whose dad happened to have a lot of money. Like who cares? You know, like he, he, he’s a guy that was like doing ads for pizza hut and like licensed his name to steak, sold at freaking sharper image.

[00:36:18] Like, you know what I mean? Like which,

[00:36:22] Brett: [00:36:22] a, he’s a fake, he’s a phony and everyone who’s, anyone knows that. So

[00:36:27] Christina: [00:36:27] Yes, exactly

[00:36:28] Brett: [00:36:28] that believe that Hugo Chavez is orchestrating.

[00:36:33] Christina: [00:36:33] precisely. Right. And, and, and Italy is somehow doing the sunlight. I’m like, yeah. Italy wishes that they were smart enough to be able to co-op this election, Italy has bigger economic and other problems right now is like, yes, this is what Italy is doing. Italy known place of, of masterminds. Of computer intelligence, Italy, like, and I’m not shitting on Italy here.

[00:36:56] I’m just saying like that. That’s not how this [00:37:00] works. You know what I mean? It’s like, Hmm. What, what country would be involved potentially in trying to have influence on a U S election? Is it a democratic country? Um, in, you know, uh, Europe that has some financial, you know, problems

[00:37:18] Brett: [00:37:18] wait, wait, I know this it’s it’s um, it’s Russia.

[00:37:23] Christina: [00:37:23] I was going to say, is it, is it, you know, maybe it’s kind of Mediterranean place or is it like a place where, you know, you have very smart people who have a propensity for espionage who also have, you know, massive ties to, you know, computer forensics and that sort of thing. Like, and the two places that you really well, I guess three, really, we kind of like the Russian area, Ukraine, things like that.

[00:37:47] And. Um, you know, parts of Asia, like, so, so China, um, uh, Korea, uh, a bit like those are gonna be your main targets of where you would actually have both governments. [00:38:00] And, and, and frankly, the United States, right? Like we, we could certainly do it to another country, but like, those are going to be your areas where, I mean, I guess suppose anything’s possible, but if you’re talking about a state sponsored action, like I think anybody who lives in a lot of European countries, again, I would much rather live in Europe than the United States right now, but I don’t think anybody’s looking at that being like, yeah, Our, our state is completely capable of interfering in an election happening in the United States, by breaking into voting machines, using zero day things and other methods to get into air gaps of systems so that we can, um, transparently alter the results without any evidence actually existing.

[00:38:43] And with the paper counts, aligning with, with what our data says,

[00:38:48] Brett: [00:38:48] To be fair, to be fair. Uh, Russia’s 2016 interference was not a direct hack of the voting system, but rather

[00:38:58] Christina: [00:38:58] it wasn’t.

[00:39:00] [00:38:59] Brett: [00:38:59] public opinion campaign. If you will. Which a lot of, a lot of countries could pull off. India could pull it

[00:39:07] Christina: [00:39:07] they could, uh,

[00:39:11] Brett: [00:39:11] Yeah. I mean, all you really

[00:39:12] Christina: [00:39:12] they could pull it up.

[00:39:13] Brett: [00:39:13] farm full of trolls and there’s

[00:39:15] Christina: [00:39:15] No, here’s the thing. Here’s the thing. I think India could pull it off in India. I don’t think India could pull it up in America.

[00:39:21] Brett: [00:39:21] America can’t even pull it off in America.

[00:39:24] Christina: [00:39:24] I agree. But, but yet Russia and Macedonia, frankly, it wasn’t really rushed. A lot of it came from Macedonia other things. I mean, the thing is, is that like you have to find out like, is there, is there money involved? Um, but yeah, no. I mean, Russia did the disinformation campaigns, which is the. Again, I think proves the fallacy of all of this, like the voting machines.

[00:39:44] We’re, we’re we’re, um, you know, hacked method. It’s like, okay, you’re talking about where some of your most elite, like cyber forensic experts would be, and they opted not to hack these machines, but were so easy to hack them. Why wouldn’t they hack them [00:40:00] instead they opt to do what would arguably be more difficult and certainly take longer and a lot more effort. Which is to do the disinformation campaign, right? Like yet, yet that’s the vector. So to me, that just says, okay, that was the one that they termed more viable if they wanted to interfere rather than hacking machines themselves. And I’m not even in favor of electronic voting machines. Like I have a lot of issues with them.

[00:40:28] Um, I’m not opposed to, you know, obviously using computers to count. We’ve done that for. Before actual computers as we note them even existed. I mean, that’s like literally, I think the whole point of a computer is to help count and coli things, but you know what I mean? Like literally it’s in the name, uh, compute, it just occurred to me.

[00:40:48] But, uh, so, so like, um, I’m, I’m all about having like, discussions about some of these systems and certainly there’ve been very insecure, local voting systems. I’m not talking about the voting machines themselves, but I’m talking about the [00:41:00] registration things and some other stuff that have given. Many of us who are on the left, like pause for concern.

[00:41:08] The one thing that does bother me is that in our like, Ferber to defend the results of the election, which I think is important, I don’t want it to turn into a referendum being like, Oh yes, all of these, um, you know, electronic voting machines are completely like above reproach and we shouldn’t be looking at any of the security issues or any of the stuff involved in that at all,

[00:41:29] Brett: [00:41:29] you, did you read Wired’s article, uh, over the summer on, uh, like the future of voting machines?

[00:41:38] Christina: [00:41:38] Yeah, I did.

[00:41:39] Brett: [00:41:39] they, they ran, uh, hackathons. At like Def con and came up with like a blockchain based voting systems that like sound really good. Really cool. And truly beyond reproach, I would love to see something like that happen.

[00:41:58] Christina: [00:41:58] No. I agree with you. [00:42:00] And I think, I think the, the, the challenge for me, and this is, I mean, I don’t know how you solve it, cause it is one of the things that blockchain might actually be the way to do it. Um, but the, the challenges that you want. Understandably, you need to have, you know, a certain amount of, of, um, uh, secrecy involved in some of the coding and whatnot, but it also becomes a black box.

[00:42:23] And when you can’t investigate the stuff itself, I think that becomes a problem. Um, I dunno, my, my, my personal fear has always been, and this is, this is just like me being honest is not so much that I don’t have faith that, um, the machines could be secured and that people could look into the systems and like, determine whether they’re flaws or not.

[00:42:43] Where I lack the faith is that anyone in our government has those skills, like, like, I feel like people in, in private, um, industry could certainly do that. Those people usually aren’t going to be, um, I mean, maybe you could have a really expensive government [00:43:00] contract to do that, but like people who work at government, especially state and local governments, like don’t have the skills and you can’t afford to hire the people

[00:43:07] Brett: [00:43:07] also you don’t, you don’t in a case like that you need true impartiality and hiring an outside company. Like. I would take some, if you were going to convince, because a lot of it is about convincing people, not, not the technical aspect of it, but the, to convince people that it’s, it’s trustworthy because people who people on the other side couldn’t have, couldn’t have made this change.

[00:43:37] Couldn’t have affected it the other side, the others. Yeah. So, uh, W w man we’ve hit politics hard, but according to the rules, we still have to hit TV.

[00:43:52] Christina: [00:43:52] We sure do. Um, let’s, let’s do another, a sponsor

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[00:46:00] [00:45:59] Brett: [00:45:59] So we can make TV fast.

[00:46:02] Christina: [00:46:02] Yeah, totally. So.

[00:46:04] Brett: [00:46:04] have you seen, have you seen, um, a history of swearing?

[00:46:09] Christina: [00:46:09] I have not, uh, that’s the one with the Nicki Glasser and, um,

[00:46:14] Brett: [00:46:14] What’s got a panel, but it’s hosted, it’s hosted by Nicholas cage. Um, but both of those people do it. It’s like a panel show the way like, uh, Uh, worst president ever that I can’t think of another example, but yeah, there’s one host and then they kind of do like a confessional style interviews with, with different people.

[00:46:36] Um, I’ve only watched the first one. It was about the F word. And, um, I came away with one interesting tidbit, uh, guess which actor, which a movie actor. Has the record for the most AF bombs, you would think Al Pachino you might think Samuel [00:47:00] Jackson

[00:47:01] Christina: [00:47:01] Yep.

[00:47:01] Brett: [00:47:01] Jonah Hill. Do you in large part to the Wolf of wall street?

[00:47:08] Christina: [00:47:08] Okay. I was going to say that would probably be it, but that’s still so interesting.

[00:47:14] Brett: [00:47:14] Yeah, I thought so too. It was quite the revelation. Yeah.

[00:47:18] Christina: [00:47:18] Okay. Although, you know what, this makes sense though. Cause it’s from a Scorsese film, so okay. At least, at least, at least that is why

[00:47:24] Brett: [00:47:24] without that though, he says, fuck a lot.

[00:47:28] Christina: [00:47:28] totally okay. Totally. But if it was all those wall street that put them over, then that’s what score says he films. So. Uh, but he does say fuck a lot. So well done Jonah Hill.

[00:47:40] Brett: [00:47:40] There’s your badge of honor, but, uh, but I’m going to watch more episodes. It was it’s basically why you don’t learn a lot other than trivia. Uh, but they do go into like, like people, there’s all these mythologies around, uh, the origin of, of the word. [00:48:00] Fuck. And. Um, like the whole thing about it being a foreign under the consent of the King or for unlawful carnal knowledge.

[00:48:08] Like none of that is true. And it goes through like the first times it appeared in writing and its origins and all of that. It’s, it’s, it’s fun. I, it, we like to swear. I thought maybe, uh, maybe you’d be into it.

[00:48:23] Christina: [00:48:23] Oh, I definitely into it. And I’m I’m, I I’m now want to watch this because I was clearly wrong. But when I was in ninth grade, I. Drop something on my foot and I exclaimed fuck in class. And, uh, uh, miss, uh, Westway was, was very Westbrook older of the fuck. Her name was, she sucked. She was not pleased. And she made me write a report on it.

[00:48:48] And what my report basically showed was that it had been used for hundreds of years and basically meant the same thing. Like we used it for which I guess is not true, but that was what my research [00:49:00] at the time, this is before Wikipedia and before, you know, lots of things were available on the internet.

[00:49:04] So I was just going off of what I could find in the library. Um, and, and I certainly wasn’t going through like, you know, a lot of linguistic books and whatnot, because it was a punishment. So that’s

[00:49:18] Brett: [00:49:18] The first time I said, fuck. I was like, I’m probably five. And I had never heard the word. I just had a penchant for replacing letters. And just saying words in funny ways. And I was saying shucks, but with an F and I was just walking around the hubs going off bucks and I got my mouth washed out with soap and I had no idea what I was doing wrong.

[00:49:42] Christina: [00:49:42] You’re like, why, what happened? Um,

[00:49:45] Brett: [00:49:45] with phonetics.

[00:49:48] Christina: [00:49:48] Yeah. Um, I think my older sister taught me

[00:49:52] Brett: [00:49:52] Yeah. I was the oldest I had to learn from friends.

[00:49:58] Christina: [00:49:58] No, that’s usually what happens though, [00:50:00] right? It’s like, you know, this, like one of the right of passages is that like older kids, like teach younger kids, all the bad words.

[00:50:05] Brett: [00:50:05] Yeah. Yeah. I didn’t teach my, like, my house was so religious that like, I didn’t actually say real swear words until probably middle school.

[00:50:18] Christina: [00:50:18] Yeah. I’m the same way. I

[00:50:19] Brett: [00:50:19] I would say like a whole and F you, but that was about as far as it went.

[00:50:25] Christina: [00:50:25] I mean, I would probably, I mean, I thought stuff and I might’ve say like ass or whatever. I might’ve said shit, but certainly not around my parents. I didn’t take the Lord’s name in vain until like high school.

[00:50:34] Brett: [00:50:34] Hmm, I don’t.

[00:50:35] Christina: [00:50:35] Like I said, gosh, I didn’t say, Oh my God, until I was

[00:50:38] Brett: [00:50:38] Yeah, no, probably same, probably same. I don’t even remember the first time. I said, God damn it. But I do remember feeling like I was going to be smote like lightning was going to strike me. Yeah.

[00:50:53] Christina: [00:50:53] Yeah. Yeah, no, for me it was always one of those things. It was like, that was the worst. And then I was like, Oh my God, like, it’s funny because I [00:51:00] went from never seeing God and like, all of my friends did it and I said, gosh, and then to, to not. I had this, I had this friend in college who he refused to curse and he like saw it as some sort of like moral support superiority thing, but yet he would use other words in its place.

[00:51:16] And I’m like, and I would be like, what the fuck is your issue, dude? Like if you don’t want to curse, that’s fine. But if you’re literally just finding a way to get out of using the word, how is that any better? Like,

[00:51:28] Brett: [00:51:28] Yeah. If, if you don’t believe in, gosh, you go to heck,

[00:51:32] Christina: [00:51:32] right?

[00:51:33] Brett: [00:51:33] um,

[00:51:34] Christina: [00:51:34] Like. Well, the, the, the thing that always would get me is that he would like, you know, asterisks the words and conversations and I’m like, okay, if you’re doing that, like you’re using the word.

[00:51:48] You’re just like, it’s just either use a different term for it or don’t use the damn asterisk, like what the hell anyway. Um, okay, so, so I’ll put that on my list. Um, what does it [00:52:00] talk about peacock? Because you are now a peacock subscriber.

[00:52:03] Brett: [00:52:03] so I, I paid for it, but then found out that if I had her next affinity login, I could get it for free. So I’m trying to figure out how to stop paying for it and get that switched over. But what’s confusing me. Like, as, as, as has been mentioned, I was in the middle of going through the office for the third time.

[00:52:23] And all of the sudden the office wasn’t on Netflix anymore. And I wasn’t gonna like stop watching the office. So I had to get peacock, but I thought all summer, they were like, the commercial said free peacock was going to be a free streaming service from NBC. And it clearly is not. So what’s the deal with peacock.

[00:52:49] Christina: [00:52:49] Okay. So some of it is free and the stuff that spree is, some of it is like, Currently airing shows that might be new episodes would basically be similar to stuff that what they’ve had on Hulu and [00:53:00] then some of like the older reruns of stuff. But then they have the four 99 tier, which is where they are.

[00:53:08] They have like the, the new saver, the bell that’s where that is you. Oh, you have it now. So you can watch it over the belt because I actually want to talk about saving the belt. It’s good. I’m sorry, but it’s really good.

[00:53:17] Brett: [00:53:17] you I’m, I’m pretty close to giving it a try.

[00:53:20] Christina: [00:53:20] I I’m just saying, like, I watched a couple of episodes because it’s way better than you would ever expect it to be it’s way better than it deserves. Anyway, I’ve gone on that ramp before, so yeah. So you have like, um, you know, some of those original series that are exclusives and then because they got the office back because it’s an NBC universal show.

[00:53:42] Um, and it was the most popular show on all of Netflix, poof. Uh, they, I think originally the plan was it was going to be free and instead they’re like, Oh, seasons one and two are free. But I think that the, the money people over at Comcast were like, [00:54:00] yeah, you know what? Let’s just charge people for this.

[00:54:04] Because if this was,

[00:54:05] Brett: [00:54:05] I mean, that’s,

[00:54:06] Christina: [00:54:06] it is a good move. I mean, it’s smart.

[00:54:07] Brett: [00:54:07] of the app really?

[00:54:09] Christina: [00:54:09] Honestly it is, and it, but yeah, if you have, um, a Cox or extensity, then you get it for free and then you can pay $5 a month to get the ad free option. And I originally was not going to do the ad free option. Um, and then it took me, I think all the five minutes I was like watching a movie and.

[00:54:32] I will say this. I think that the way that they do ads with movies was really good. Like they front-load them. And so they’re not interrupting your movie for you, which is great. And I really appreciate that, but I was, I was trying to watch something and it was going to be like three minutes worth of stuff.

[00:54:45] And I was like 30 seconds in and I was like, my ADHD has been ruined by commercial free the stuff. And I’m, I’m just, I’m, I’m paying the $5. So that’s, um, [00:55:00] That’s what I did, but, uh, because I already have the, um, the X affinity. Um, but if you, um, if you don’t have, um, X vanity or whatever, and you don’t wanna pay $10 a month, which I agree is kind of expensive then, uh, I think that, you know, the $5 thing is, is fine.

[00:55:19] The other thing you get with, um, The premium plus, which is like the ad free thing is they will let you do select titles offline on mobile, which I guess fine. But the bigger thing for me, this is what’s frustrating. The app is pretty bad. Like the iOS app doesn’t have background play. It doesn’t have picture and picture like it lacks some things that I would think would be pretty basic.

[00:55:45] And what’s frustrating to me about this and like Hulu doesn’t have background play picture, picture anymore either, which is really annoying. But the NBC app has those things, the X Finity app has those things. So that’s what pisses me off. I’m [00:56:00] like, okay, you have an app that like lack some features has some questionable design choices, even though I think the content is actually really strong.

[00:56:07] I think the design choice is really poor, but yet your company has not one, not two, but like multiple apps that have these features that you don’t have in this one, which is like

[00:56:19] Brett: [00:56:19] So it’s, it’s not that you can’t it’s that you won’t.

[00:56:23] Christina: [00:56:23] Right. It’s like that you clearly had another team doing this shit and I’m like, Oh, what are you doing?

[00:56:27] You know? Um, no, I think it’s, I think it’s good. I actually think in terms of their content selection, like I think HBO, max is the best in terms of constant selection, even though it has the worst name and is the most confusing of all of them because of the name. I think that HBO max is like the strongest content library, but I actually think, uh, the, that, um, Peacock has a really good library of both movies and TV shows.

[00:56:54] Brett: [00:56:54] It’s kind of HBO, max is kind of like, um, tofu, you ever buy tofu? [00:57:00] Like tofu. When you go to the grocery store, there may exist like regular tofu, but at most grocery stores it starts with, from tofu and then there’s extra firm tofu, and then there’s like super extra firm tofu. And it makes you wonder why they didn’t just start the scale at tofu.

[00:57:22] Christina: [00:57:22] Yeah. I mean, I, to me, the biggest, the biggest problem with, with HBO max is the name. They clearly wanted to leverage the HBO brand, which makes sense, but it’s now shifted into this other thing and, and what everybody said, which is why, um, um, the, the guy who, um, um, uh, ran HBO for years left, um, um, which was his space, uh, Greenblatt.

[00:57:48] Anyway, the guy who’d been in charge of, um, HBO forever, um, resigned, not long after 18 T bought them Richard Plepler because, uh, he, he didn’t agree with some of the [00:58:00] restructuring and he didn’t agree with John steaky. Who’s now the CEO of, I think, all of at and T, but he had been in charge of Warren media or whatever, basically it was like, Oh, we can make more money out of this.

[00:58:09] Like there was this all hands meeting and. And he was sort of congratulating the HBO people on how great of a job they’ve done. And, and like the fucked up thing here is that literally at and T bought time Warner for HBO, like HBO represented some astronomical percentage of the profit. Of of a time Warner as an entire entity.

[00:58:31] Like it was ridiculous. And it also had this huge unit quality thing and whatnot. And he was like, okay, but we can do more. Now we got to pay off this, you know, E $7 billion. We just paid and, and employees rightfully like, well, you don’t have the money to buy us. And we were already making bank, like, why are you trying to change our business model?

[00:58:51] And you’re like, well, we can do more. But that the fear that, that, um, um, uh, Plepler had. Was it, they would dilute the HBO brand. And that’s exactly what they’re doing, [00:59:00] which is a shame, because I think the service is just really good, but the name is terrible. It’s confusing as all get out to people. Cause people don’t even know like it’s so dumb.

[00:59:12] They had this weird add on percentage thing. Like they show like how many HBO subscribers have converted to HBO max and the number of people who have HBO max, but don’t even know they have HBO. Max is like staggering. But anyway, back to peacock. Um, I, I don’t know. I think they actually have a pretty good library.

[00:59:30] I just wished that they, uh, their app was better.

[00:59:33] Brett: [00:59:33] well, now that I, I have it. And for the time being I’m paying for it, I’ll have to explore the library a little bit. It’s kind of

[00:59:39] Christina: [00:59:39] Yeah, you

[00:59:40] Brett: [00:59:40] stop paying for CBS now, the discovery’s done and, and just pay for peacock.

[00:59:46] Christina: [00:59:46] Yeah. Um, I, uh, I pay way too much money for my cell phone bill from Verizon. And they added some new plan where apparently now I get the entire Disney, [01:00:00] like plus like triple plays. So Disney, Hulu, ESPN, and the new discovery plus for free. So, uh, I mean, it’s not for free because clearly I’m paying, you know, like $200 a month for my cell phone.

[01:00:16] Um, when I don’t go anywhere. So. You know, the joke is ultimately on me, but, um, I am at least getting like, feeling slightly better. I’m like, Oh, okay. I can get some of these services, um, you know, paid for, but that’s the only one I haven’t tried yet. And the only reason I haven’t tried the, the discovery plus service, which just launched is because I didn’t want to outlay the cost for it when I was going to get it for free.

[01:00:40] And I had to switch my cell phone plan to get the free thing, even though it was the same price as what my old plan was, it had a different name. And it wouldn’t start until my next billing cycle. So let’s try that in like a week.

[01:00:52] Brett: [01:00:52] Do you want to talk about computer stuff?

[01:00:54] Christina: [01:00:54] Let’s talk about computer

[01:00:55] Brett: [01:00:55] Well, let’s start with a great computer app.

[01:00:59] Christina: [01:00:59] yes.

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[01:02:11] Christina: [01:02:11] And yeah, I’m just wanting to give a quick, uh, shout out PDF pen, if you have ever, like, especially if you’re, you know, on a Mac, but it’s great on iOS too. And you need to do some heavier editing or creation of PDF documents, but, um, like. Previous, just not going to cut it, but you don’t want to jump into the hellscape.

[01:02:29] That is Acrobat. It’s awesome. I, um, I don’t deal with PDFs as much as I used to. I primarily deal with word documents now, but I used to deal with word with the PDFs. A ton and PDF pen has been a lifesaver for me on multiple occasions, especially when going through, like, when I used to go through like hundreds of pages of court documents.

[01:02:48] And, um, needing to, uh, maybe like use OCR on certain stuff, like, uh, because of how I’ve been scanned in or whatever really good.

[01:02:58] Brett: [01:02:58] So there you go. PDF [01:03:00] pen at smiles, software.com/podcast. All right. So I wanna, I I’m, I’m not going to try to hit even half of the stuff that I threw in under our little computer section, but I do want to mention that I got carabiner working. Uh, I had to disable system integrity

[01:03:19] Christina: [01:03:19] Sip. Yeah, you, you, you had to turn off step. Yep.

[01:03:23] Brett: [01:03:23] um, that is not ideal.

[01:03:25] Like as a developer, I don’t like to have it turned off because I need to know

[01:03:30] Christina: [01:03:30] Right? You need to know how your

[01:03:32] Brett: [01:03:32] Right. Exactly. Exactly. So it’s annoying to me that I have to run it with it turned off, but the latest beta, uh, that came out last week, still didn’t fix the Caribbean and Caribbean has been completely rewritten to conform, um, with like the macro S requirements.

[01:03:51] So this is really frustrating. We filed, uh, a dozen, uh, feedback reports and I, I don’t know what’s going to happen there, [01:04:00] but. I have my hyper key for now. So I am a little less frustrated every time I use my Mac.

[01:04:07] Christina: [01:04:07] Yeah, I was going to say. And the frustrating thing is, is that with some apps, like I have some apps that you have to disable, um, uh, system integrity, production to use, but like, I can have like a command line flag, like turn it on or off when I need to use the app. But with an app, like, um, uh, Caribbean or like, it’s your super key.

[01:04:24] So you always have it running. So it’s not really an option for you to, you know, like selectively habit, you know, working or not.

[01:04:32] Brett: [01:04:32] Also, you know, I was, I was complaining that, uh, I couldn’t script, uh, do not disturb in big Sur. I found it like in,

[01:04:45] Christina: [01:04:45] Did he blog it?

[01:04:46] Brett: [01:04:46] um, no, I use it in a proprietary application. Um, Well, no, but I, I can link. There’s a way to do it from the command line that I’ll throw a link to the just, and, but basically [01:05:00] like, it used to be stored as a simple Boolean in, uh, in a system preferences.

[01:05:06] And you could just access it with the defaults command in big Sur it’s stored in a P list stored as a data object in appeal list. And you can’t easily directly access the Boolean value from the command line, but you can overwrite the entire P list key with, uh, like basically the, the blob that the data would create.

[01:05:34] Uh, if you ran it through like PLU tail anyway, to, to, to make that intelligible. You can, with a default command turn a do not disturb on and off in big Sur. And we found it. So if you’re wondering how to use your in your command line application, how to do that, just check the show notes.

[01:05:58] Christina: [01:05:58] Yeah. Um, [01:06:00] and I realize you use it. Yeah. And proprietary, um, uh, you know, like application, however, uh, I do think that you should like write something up about it just in case other people could use it.

[01:06:11] Brett: [01:06:11] Yeah, I’ll, I’ll link it. I mentioned like I’ve been putting a lot of work into bunch, one of my apps and, uh, it has, it has the ability to turn, do not disturb on and off, but it had been broken.

[01:06:23] Christina: [01:06:23] Yeah, actually, that’s what I was thinking. I was like, was this a bunch thing? Because I could see this being used with, with bunch. And I noticed that bunch, I’m looking at your blog right now. Like you have like interactive bunches and like some other updates, like, like, uh, we know you weren’t Manock last week, you were, um, manually week before last, but where

[01:06:40] Brett: [01:06:40] I had, like,

[01:06:41] Christina: [01:06:41] energy for

[01:06:42] Brett: [01:06:42] I had one day of mania, but in short, my, my new meds are working really well.

[01:06:47] Christina: [01:06:47] I was going to ask, we didn’t even do a, uh, a mental health corner update. We were doing it at the very end of the show instead of at the beginning. But, um, what were you on? You’re on the Focalin, right? Yeah. So the Falklands doing good

[01:06:58] Brett: [01:06:58] I’ve, I’ve, I’ve even [01:07:00] doubt on it. I’m not getting crazy. Uh, ramp up, uh, heart flutters and stuff like that. Um, and I’m just, I’m able to work all day and it’s yeah, I’m getting a lot of time.

[01:07:16] Christina: [01:07:16] Amazing. Um, uh, I’ll I’m going to talk more about this in depth in the weeks to come cause we’re out of time, but I, um, wish what was going to say. I, uh, I’m building a gaming PC. I finally decided to do it.

[01:07:31] Brett: [01:07:31] Are you going to have a cool RGB keyboard on it?

[01:07:34] Christina: [01:07:34] Oh yeah. Oh yeah. And the case, I spent so much money on fans. Um, I still have the CPU. That’s gonna be the hardest thing to get. So what happened was, um, it’s been impossible to get parts. I don’t know if you’ve been following any of this or not, but like everybody is building computers, everybody. And so the DIY.

[01:07:56] Exactly. Although I think that’s finally even now, but like, [01:08:00] you know, power supplies, motherboards, the new processor chips, and then what makes it worse is that they came out with new GPU’s both Nvidia and AMD and then AMD also released new, um, CPU’s so. The demand is just crazy. And the graphics is especially, it’s been like impossible to get a graphics card.

[01:08:20] Like if you want a 3000 series Nvidia card, like the scalpers are having a field day and I refuse to pay scalper prices. I just won’t do it. Although I did buy a stupid bundle from new egg, with $130 power supply that I don’t want. So I’m going to try to sell that for a hundred bucks. So I did get scalped, but it’s worth it, but I wa.

[01:08:41] What happening is that I was, I was going to put it off. I was like, I’m not going to bother. And then last week, um, I was able to get in and I was able to order a 30, 80 card, um, from new egg. And it wasn’t just any card. It was like the exact card I wanted. Uh, cause I want to make my build beat like as white as possible [01:09:00] and be really pretty.

[01:09:01] So, so that’s what I’m doing. Um, it, it it’ll be probably at least another month before I have everything together, but. Um, I’m in the process of, of doing that right now, which I’m excited about, to be honest, I haven’t built a PC in so long, so

[01:09:17] Brett: [01:09:17] I haven’t built a PC in almost 30 years. No.

[01:09:23] Christina: [01:09:23] so much easier now than it used to. It’s so much easier now than it used to be. Like, even since the last time I did it, like there used to be a bunch of shit you’d have to do to your motherboard. And like now it’s literally just plug and play and, uh, Which makes it better and more accessible for people.

[01:09:40] Um, and, uh, I’m sure some people probably lament the fact that it literally is like plug and play, but for me I’m like, Oh, good. I don’t have to deal with, you know, um, like, uh, pins, shorting pins on my motherboard to get things to work the way that I need it to. So.

[01:09:58] Brett: [01:09:58] Well, good luck with that.

[01:10:01] [01:10:00] Christina: [01:10:01] You thank you. Uh, fingers crossed that I’ll find a 5,900 ex that’s. That’s what my next big thing I’m looking for is, but, uh, I, I understand that, uh, um, it might have to settle for something like less substantial and then buy it later. We’ll see. But anyway,

[01:10:16] Brett: [01:10:16] I had any way to help you, I would.

[01:10:19] Christina: [01:10:19] I know you would, which is sweet of you. Um, but, uh, congrats on all of your, um, App updates.

[01:10:28] Um,

[01:10:29] Brett: [01:10:29] I want to next next week, maybe I want to just, uh, unload about bunch. It has gotten so many new features recently that I feel like I feel like a, I should make it a commercial application, but, uh, we can talk about why I’m not. Uh, but, but B I feel like everyone should be, uh, everyone who knows how to edit a text file and wants to automate anything really should be using it.

[01:10:57] Christina: [01:10:57] No. I agree with you. And it’s interesting. Cause I was actually thinking [01:11:00] a bunch because I’ve been doing more stuff with my stream deck, like test to script that, to, to do stuff with like, uh, teams calls and stuff. And I was like, yeah, it, it bunch is in many ways kind of like the software, like version of a stream deck.

[01:11:13] Brett: [01:11:13] Well, and I, I have a whole panel on my stream deck that just calls different bunch. Oh shit.

[01:11:25] You want to know something really funny? I thought I was pressing the button on my stream deck that would load up my page full of bunches, but I forgot I was in, I was in the, the podcast profile. So the bunch key actually re ran the podcast bunch, but it was already running. it quit all of my podcasting apps.

[01:11:47] Christina: [01:11:47] Hilarious. No, I figured it was something like that because I was at first, I thought it was my thing. I was like, did I just hit the end call button? I don’t think so. Okay. All right. Well it’s perfect timing cause we’re almost out of we’re out of time anyway, so

[01:11:59] Brett: [01:11:59] No, I’m not I’m [01:12:00] I’m gonna I’ll, I’ll cut some space out of that, but I’m totally leaving that in

[01:12:04] Christina: [01:12:04] you

[01:12:05] Brett: [01:12:05] perils of stream decks and, and bunches.

[01:12:08] Christina: [01:12:08] No, that’s hilarious. We’re talking about it. You hit the button and ruined it, but no, I want to talk more about bunch next week, and I’m also a thank you for reminding me. I said that I would create a, a GitHub and awesome stream deck, um, repo on GitHub. And I’m going to, uh, like right now so that, um, and I’ll put a link to some of your stuff there, but I want to obviously PRS welcome.

[01:12:28] I want to like, have that be a repository, hopefully of cool stuff people are doing with stream deck.

[01:12:34] Brett: [01:12:34] All right. Well, great talking to you, Christina.

[01:12:38] Christina: [01:12:38] Great. Talking with you, Brett happy last day of, uh, hell and, uh, knock on wood that, that things will, uh, things are going to be safe tomorrow and hope everybody out there. Listening is having a good time too. I will be celebrating by just like listening to Taylor Swift, I think on a loop. See, bringing Taylor into it

[01:12:59] Brett: [01:12:59] Twice now.

[01:13:00] [01:13:00] Christina: [01:13:00] twice now.

[01:13:01] Exactly.

[01:13:01] Brett: [01:13:01] All right. Well, I’ll see you in a, in a new administration.

[01:13:05] Christina: [01:13:05] See you in a new administration, get some sleep, Brett.

[01:13:07] Brett: [01:13:07] Get some sleep.