215: Open Source Dunking

Mean tweets and snowstorms. Plus, what’s not to love about Big Sur, file management apps, and when to walk out of a movie.


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[00:00:00] Christina: [00:00:00] Hello and welcome to over-tired. I'm Christina Warren. This is Brett Terpstra. How are you? Brett?

[00:00:06] Brett: [00:00:06] I am, um, it's snowing

[00:00:09] Christina: [00:00:09] It's snowing.

[00:00:10] Brett: [00:00:10] in my, in, in Southeast Minnesota. Like they had snow up in Minneapolis, but down here in the Southeast corner of Minnesota, we hadn't really had more than a dusting, but today we've got three inches and I had to shovel this morning and, um, I, I'm not. It's like almost December and I'm still not ready for snow.

[00:00:31] Christina: [00:00:31] Yeah, no, I mean, so well also, and I know that we're getting into, uh, repeating ourselves, but, um, like. It still feels like it's March. So the fact that it's almost December doesn't feel right, which means that the fact that it is snowing where you are, and it's 44 degrees here in Seattle, which is colder for us, uh, is like, that's still kind of blew my mind and then I'm realizing, I'm like, [00:01:00] Oh yeah, I'm actually not going to be in Australia this, this year.

[00:01:05] Presumably when, um, It might snow and freeze here, which is what happens well has happened the last two years in February. So

[00:01:15] Brett: [00:01:15] I'm

[00:01:15] Christina: [00:01:15] good luck. I mean, I'm sorry, I won't be in Australia too, but it'll be interesting to see that actually, no, because I want to be able to get, I won't even really be able to see the city implode on itself with the snow and the ice because no one's going anywhere.

[00:01:29] Brett: [00:01:29] does, does Seattle Ray. I know like Atlanta, Georgia shuts down for a heavy rain, um, and snow kills them. Is Seattle the same way?

[00:01:38] Christina: [00:01:38] it's worse.

[00:01:39] Brett: [00:01:39] know it doesn't shut down for rain. That's all it does in

[00:01:41] Christina: [00:01:41] Uh, well, it doesn't rain usually like in big buckets, but for snow. Yeah, no, it's snow. It's actually worse. I was not aware that any place could be worse than Atlanta, Georgia in dealing with the snow Atlanta, Georgia famously known as the place where the school buses didn't leave in [00:02:00] time.

[00:02:00] And. And kids got stranded on the buses for 12 hours and parents had to, had to trudge through like by foot to come get the kids. We were taught. We're talking there, I think about like three and a half inches of snow, right? Like, like nothing. So in Seattle, two years ago in 2019, it was, I guess like the heaviest snow that it happened in a while and it was icy and, um, the city was just totally unprepared and we had an offsite.

[00:02:29] But it was in Redmond. So it was like, uh, you know, over the, the, um, the bridge across Lake Washington and they don't salt the sidewalks or anything. And so I was like walking from the hotel I was staying at. Yeah. I was staying at a hotel, even though it was like, literally. You know, 20 minutes away, but it was a good thing I did do that.

[00:02:49] I did it because it was, it was going to be like an all week thing and coming back and going home, it's going to be hard. And my boss let me expensive, but it wound up being a good thing because if I'd had to commute in, [00:03:00] I wouldn't have been able to, because even walking. Because they didn't isolate thing.

[00:03:04] Like I almost slipped and fell a couple of times, like grant had to bring me my New York, snow galoshes. I'm a college student. And I think the family sued and won a lot of money as they should have sued the university of Washington, because they didn't have any like beware of, of black ice or anything signs up.

[00:03:21] And she was on campus. She was a university of Washington students. She slipped, she felt she died. Um, yeah, yeah, it was terrible. It was like genuinely awful, uh, the airport. And we got out, like, I wound up getting to spend the day at Disneyland because I had to go to Australia and they only have flights like once a day for Australia.

[00:03:39] And I had to be there by a certain time. And we were worried that they were going to be canceling flights. And when I first started. I'm trying to book things like the airline. Everybody was like, eh, it's not necessary. It's not necessary to, to book your, so I kept my flight to Australia from Los Angeles, but I had to get to Los Angeles early.

[00:03:56] And thank God I did, because this was like, I think like a Friday morning. And [00:04:00] I, I went through security around 6:00 AM and it was spine. About 15 minutes later, I started seeing tweets and lines. Apparently the security line of the airport was backed up through the parking lot. And, um, the city basically all but shut down.

[00:04:16] And we're talking again about two inches of snow. Uh, and the thing is, is that what makes no sense to me is that if you go, I don't know, 20, 30 miles North, like you have legit like mountains and you have, you know, real, like. Mounts of snow. And I get that you can't have a lot of plows in the cities and whatnot, but within like the Puget sound area, snow is not uncommon.

[00:04:41] And so it seems weird to me that like the city and, and, and not just like the, the city of Seattle, but also Redmond and Bellevue and, and the other like suburbs or whatever were just so completely like unprepared. Um, again, like I never thought a place would be worse at snow than Atlanta, Georgia, [00:05:00] Seattle, Washington actually is.

[00:05:02] So, whereas, you know, I was in New York for, for seven years in New York is not like Minnesota, but it's like,

[00:05:12] Brett: [00:05:12] it's it's it gets cold and snowy there.

[00:05:14] Christina: [00:05:14] yeah, it snows a shitload. And, and the, you know, to the point where like the plows come out, you know what I mean? Like there, there, there are times when, I mean, usually the subway is even run. I mean, if the subway is running, that's a whole other discussion, but like, The city doesn't shut down.

[00:05:29] It's just like, okay, we go, we got this, you know, um, it, it's not like, you know, like Halifax or grant used to live either, which is, you know, closer in terms of amount to like what you get in Minnesota. But yeah, it's funny.

[00:05:42] Brett: [00:05:42] yeah, we, we shut down for anything over about 20 inches.

[00:05:46] Christina: [00:05:46] Right, right. Because I was going to say, cause that, that makes, that makes sense. Like, and I think, you know, uh, and the most, I think we ever gotten New York, I think we got like two and a half feet at one point, like in, in big drifts, it was, it, it was a ton. And, and [00:06:00] that, I do think that they shut like places shut down and whatnot, but you still saw people out doing delivery, you know, riding bikes, they still have the plows out, like.

[00:06:08] Brett: [00:06:08] I was homeless in Brooklyn through a New York winter. So I've, I've seen, I've seen it. It's not that different from Minnesota. Really? It doesn't get quite as, quite as cold,

[00:06:19] Christina: [00:06:19] right, right. Yeah. Yeah. It does not get nearly as cool because of closer to water, but, uh, yeah, so, but, uh,

[00:06:26] Brett: [00:06:26] nor'easters are always fun.

[00:06:29] Christina: [00:06:29] Oh, yeah. Oh yeah, that definitely, um, it it's funny, like having lived different places and just acclimating to the different weather things and like seeing like what some places handle well and what some places don't and, um, the weird thing in Seattle, I think here's what Seattle, other than the snow, what it really doesn't handle well is heat because no one has central AC.

[00:06:53] Brett: [00:06:53] Oh, sure.

[00:06:54] Christina: [00:06:54] So, well, well, and it's just, doesn't usually get that hot. It's only a few days out of the [00:07:00] year. So most homes, unless you specifically build it, won't have it apartments. Don't have it. If I ever were rich enough to have a home or a condo or whatever, I would insist upon it. Um, because I just feel like it's a stupid thing to not have.

[00:07:17] But, uh, like that's the one thing that Atlanta Georgia does handle really well, probably the only type of weather that Atlanta handles really well is insane heat because you drive everywhere and everything has central AC. So you, you know, it's, it's, it's hot as it's hot as hell in the summer, and you will die of heat stroke if you're not careful, but fortunately there's no public transit and everyone drives everywhere.

[00:07:43] And every building is, you know, Has central AC. So,

[00:07:49] Brett: [00:07:49] Yeah. So,

[00:07:50] Christina: [00:07:50] was a weird, that was a weird, you know,

[00:07:52] Brett: [00:07:52] well, anyone who listens to this MADEC knows that, uh, starting a podcast by talking about the weather is it's [00:08:00] kind of like my comfort zone. As a Minnesota. And I think that's by default conversation I used to immediately doing. Yeah. So where do you live? What's the weather like there? Tell me all about it.

[00:08:12] So there was this tweet from one Christina Warren. Uh, happy 25th birthday to gimp were the only things worse than the name are the user interface and the people that say it's just as good as Photoshop. No, I haven't used gimp for almost 25 years. So maybe it's gotten a lot better since then. I imagine it's gotten way better since then, but, but this, this tweet is hilarious.

[00:08:41] Christina: [00:08:41] Uh, thank you. Thank you very much. Uh, and I, I would say, you know, I would really like you to be able to try out gimp. Uh, unfortunately it hasn't compiled on Mac West for the last like four versions. Uh, which I think really only means like maybe a year or so, but, uh, like that, like [00:09:00] the, like the last four point releases doesn't compile on Mac.

[00:09:03] Um, so, uh, we, we can't even know, uh, yeah, I sent this tweet off at like 10, 15:00 PM. I thought nothing of it. I was like, I think this is sort of funny, right? Next thing. I know it starts getting a lot of replies and then it goes on and on and on wound up getting 373 retweets, 76 quote tweets, and 3,300 likes, which, which is a lot.

[00:09:34] Um, it went a lot more than I thought that that 367,000 impressions, the downside of this, most people. Had the same reaction you did, which is that it's, that's hilarious. And I thank you for that. I was actually, I was kind of proud. I was like this, I think this is kind of funny, but like nothing, you know, out of the ordinary and the, then the people who say that it's just as good as Photoshop showed up.

[00:10:01] [00:10:00] Brett: [00:10:01] Yeah, well,

[00:10:03] Christina: [00:10:03] um, yeah,

[00:10:05] Brett: [00:10:05] I used it when I was a Linux user and as a Linux user, it was great just to have anything that could do anything similar to Photoshop,

[00:10:15] Christina: [00:10:15] Agreed.

[00:10:16] Brett: [00:10:16] but I can't imagine, have you ever used affinity photo?

[00:10:21] Christina: [00:10:21] I do. I have, I love it.

[00:10:23] Brett: [00:10:23] It's so good at like, I don't need Photoshop anymore. Thanks to that.

[00:10:28] Christina: [00:10:28] Yeah, no, I, I use, um, uh, affinity, affinity, photo affinity, um, draw, uh, which is like the illustrator replacement. I think those are both great. I don't have the publishing one cause I don't actually do like print stuff, but I imagine

[00:10:41] Brett: [00:10:41] It is, it is very good. I've been on it since the beta. Yes.

[00:10:45] Christina: [00:10:45] Yeah. Um, okay, so, so this is then where things kind of go off the rails. So I'm not going to like name and shame him because unlike him, uh, I. Am not an asshole. Uh, and also we sort of ended things [00:11:00] on an okay note. But, uh, anyway, so this guy who is a core, um, he, he he's the, he's a Python core developer and he was the release manager for Python three dot eight and three dot nine.

[00:11:13] And he quote, tweets me and says, wow, a disappointingly cheap dig for a at Microsoft developer advocate. At film underscore girl, I challenge you to do something about it, for example, by donating to the project. So the Microsoft logo appears here and then he links to the gimp sponsor page. Now that would be a classy way to say happy birthday.

[00:11:34] And so my response to that, which I thought was actually pretty nice was. It was lighthearted jab. The program is incredibly impressive. The UI is not, I was just trying to tease the rabid fans slash zealots, but here you go, put my money where my mouth is. And then I donated $50 to the Ghanaian foundation on behalf of the gimp project.

[00:11:53] And then I immediately followed up that $50 donation by going into the company matching portal and having Microsoft [00:12:00] match my $50. So they got a hundred dollars from me. I thought that kind of was, was, was the, was the way that to handle that. And then. Right. I thought so. Right. I thought I was like, okay.

[00:12:10] You know what? Cause I, cause the one thing that I didn't, especially as it started getting more attention, the one thing I didn't want it to turn into was for people to like mistakenly think that I'm like trying to shit on the work of the people who've been doing this thing for 25 years. Cause that's not what the joke is about.

[00:12:27] Like it's the UI is bad. The, the, the team knows this. Everyone knows this. That's not, that's like not even a subject, that's like not subjective. That is fact. And, um, also the people that are like zealous about it, it's funny. It's just, it's, it's a lighthearted job, but like, I didn't want it to come across.

[00:12:46] Like I'm trying to, you know, crap on like this, this project. So I even like retweeted. Uh, him, uh, and I was like, Hey, you know, um, I put something that there was like, like, I think the joke was pretty obviously lighthearted, [00:13:00] teasing, but I donated a hundred dollars to condone foundation as instructed on the gimp website, um, as a sign of Goodwill.

[00:13:07] And, you know, most people were really receptive to that and were like, that's really cool. And some people were even, I think, rightly calling this guy out, they were like, wait. So you're trying to get her in trouble with where she works. Because she tweeted a joke because that is what he was trying to do.

[00:13:26] You don't bring my employer name into it if that's not what you're trying to do. And I, and I've had people try to get me fired or get me in trouble for a bunch of stupid stuff. Uh, this is probably the funniest, if I'm being totally honest, because also I just like gave them money, but then. As the tweet got more and more attention, then like more and more people started like being like, assholes about it.

[00:13:48] And I didn't respond to all of them cause I wasn't going to, and I don't care. And most people again like took it in the, in the way that it was. But you did have the people who were like trying to, like, somebody was like, Oh, you know, we're, we're making like [00:14:00] windows jokes. Oh. You know, uh, like trying to make fun of windows doesn't feel so good does it.

[00:14:04] And I was like, I laughed also, I'm a, I'm a Mac user, so whatever, but also like I'll laugh. I think it's funny. It's not a big deal. Um, the other thing is like, you know, the name is pretty terrible and a lot of people have issues with that. And so I also ended up donating money to glimpse, which is a project that it is basically a fork of the gimp, but with a better name.

[00:14:29] And then they're also attempting to give it a better UI. Uh, but the funniest part was, so I still had people as of like, we're recording this on Tuesday. I still had people as of like last night who were like trying to come from me and we're like mad and, and, and they're like, you're so upset about this.

[00:14:44] I'm like, no, you're, you're the one who's like still, you know, going on and on about it. Like, I'm, I'm pretty chill. It was a pretty funny joke, but like, people are mad that like, I won't back down and apologize for saying the UI is bad because it is, uh, But the gift project, this is where it came [00:15:00] full circle.

[00:15:00] And I had to give him credit for this. Um, the gimp project replied to, um, to my tweet being like, thanks with a question Mark. And I was like, okay, you know, what prompts you for that? Like, that's actually like the. The the right

[00:15:18] Brett: [00:15:18] That's a reasonable response.

[00:15:19] Christina: [00:15:19] that's that that's the correct response. And, and then, and, and I, and I actually, you know, and then the night's pizza when I was like, okay, this shit post birthday greeting has come full circle.

[00:15:29] Happy birthday. Thanks for 25 years of not taking yourselves too seriously. And for all the hard work, um, I do need to the project last night, but encourage others to do that as well, because. You know, I like that was, uh, I wanted to do another thing just because obviously none of those are going to get as much traction as like the initial shit post, but anybody who saw anything like, you know, w would the way the algorithm works may be, be alerted to, to suffer whatnot.

[00:15:53] But anyway, I just wanted to share that. Cause I was like of all the shit that people have tried to come at me for, and I knew it would happen. I just didn't [00:16:00] anticipate going in that way, but also. I was pretty high, both when I tweeted the original thing. And when I like made the donation and when I woke up, I was like not to Pat myself on the back too much, but I think I handled that pretty well.

[00:16:17] I don't know

[00:16:18] Brett: [00:16:18] That's uh, uh, uh, a strong endorsement for weed, right there.

[00:16:22] Christina: [00:16:22] right, right. I mean, you know, how, how have a good tweet make some people mad by, um, giving money to this thing that you don't even

[00:16:30] Brett: [00:16:30] Get, get 3,300 likes

[00:16:34] Christina: [00:16:34] but the stupidest shit

[00:16:36] Brett: [00:16:36] my most popular tweet ever got a thousand. Likes. And it was basically just telling people not to update and be old.

[00:16:47] That's what got the most traction.

[00:16:49] Christina: [00:16:49] well, okay. That's actually a really good segue though, because speaking of software that doesn't work. Let's talk about big, sir.

[00:16:57] Brett: [00:16:57] Uh, I made [00:17:00] the mistake. Of up, uh, I don't, I don't have a single compelling reason to tell anyone to upgrade to big Sur. I have nothing so far, but complaints and that's not typical of me. I can usually see the, the, the shiny parts and, and get why, why we're making changes. But I am hating this. I, I re I have regrets.

[00:17:27] Christina: [00:17:27] Yeah. So I am not on big Sur. Uh, I am still not on Mojave on my laptop.

[00:17:33] Brett: [00:17:33] you mean

[00:17:33] Christina: [00:17:33] Uh, sorry. Exactly. I am. I'm a hobby. My hobby is the last good one. I'm still on a Catalina on my laptop. I'm on it on my iMac because I didn't have a choice. And I think that it's finally gotten stable enough from what people are telling me,

[00:17:45] Brett: [00:17:45] Yeah, I was into Catalina.

[00:17:47] Christina: [00:17:47] I, but, but, but if I could, I would still say I'm a hobby. Well, I, I installed it on like a external drive or in a container in EPFs before. And I ran into so many issues that I was just like, I'm not touching [00:18:00] this. And then I kept reading about so many horror stories with Catalina that I just like kept putting off and putting it off.

[00:18:06] Now, I think it's finally ready. But reading about all of the issues people are having with big Sur. No, no, I'm not doing it. Like I get that for you. You have support requests and whatnot. Um, I still think that you maybe should have like

[00:18:23] Brett: [00:18:23] Put it on a container. Sure.

[00:18:25] Christina: [00:18:25] it in a container exactly

[00:18:26] Brett: [00:18:26] I did. I did the first thing I did try when the, when I first started testing on big Sur, which I had to do months ago, uh, was run it through, uh, parallels, which didn't work. So I ended up putting it on a container, but I needed my full dev environment and I didn't feel like duplicating it to a separate install.

[00:18:46] Yeah. So my

[00:18:48] Christina: [00:18:48] I, I get that to go on. No, I was just going to say, go on.

[00:18:52] Brett: [00:18:52] So my biggest complaint though, Is is something that won't affect most people, but in finder and in [00:19:00] most apps now. So for anyone who doesn't know what a proxy icon is, it's the little icon up next to the document title. And it's usually at the top of every window and you can drag that. And it functions the same as if you had dragged that document icon in finder and you can drag it anywhere.

[00:19:21] You need it to, and I use it constantly and in big Sur they hid them. So you have to hover over the title. And there's about a one second delay before you get the proxy icon. And it is irritating. I

[00:19:37] Christina: [00:19:37] I've I've heard this. No, I, I saw, I saw reports of this one big Sur was released in beta and I have installed it on again in a container on an external drive just to play with it. Uh, and then I was promptly. I was like, I. Also, I was like, I'm not, I'm not messing with this right now. So I haven't, but I read about this and I read about the fact that [00:20:00] there's like a delay.

[00:20:01] Um, and I was hoping that at this point, people would have figured out a way to maybe like, turn that off, like in a terminal setting or something. But I'm assuming that is not the case. That sucks.

[00:20:13] Brett: [00:20:13] not that I've seen anyway.

[00:20:15] Christina: [00:20:15] Yeah. No, I mean, I, I can, I can, I can believe that, but that's just frustrating because. I don't use them as frequently as you do, but I do use them.

[00:20:26] And it's certainly one of those things that is nice to have. And that's been part of the Mac for as long as I can remember. So that's

[00:20:39] Brett: [00:20:39] can you believe they haven't added dual pane browsing to find her yet?

[00:20:43] Christina: [00:20:43] God seriously, like how honestly.

[00:20:48] Brett: [00:20:48] of all the apps that I have had trouble with in big Sur, the one that's working super well that I'm super glad about is forklift. Have you ever used forklift?

[00:20:59] Christina: [00:20:59] I [00:21:00] have, I have, um, usually I use transmit, but forklift is I've. I've purchased it in the past and it's a really good, uh, app.

[00:21:08] Brett: [00:21:08] it's on set up now too. Like I used to use Pathfinder, like I, I guess like FTP isn't my primary use case for these it's more file management and just having a dual pane browser that I can shuffle files between using keyboard shortcuts. Um, But like I used to use Pathfinder and Pathfinder still. Really cool.

[00:21:29] Also onset app, I think. Uh,

[00:21:32] Christina: [00:21:32] Yeah. I could

[00:21:33] Brett: [00:21:33] is forklift is just more powerful. I love it.

[00:21:37] Christina: [00:21:37] Yeah, actually, it's funny because you mentioned that and it does turn out that I do actually have a forklift installed because of setup. Uh, and it is, yeah, I agree with that. Um, cause the nice thing about it is that you can manage some of your like remote disks too, you know? So if you have

[00:21:53] Brett: [00:21:53] Oh, yeah. And you can Mount your S3 drives as local disks. Yeah.

[00:21:57] Christina: [00:21:57] Exactly. Because at this point we all know like, [00:22:00] Dropbox has become an abomination of its former self and it's terrible. Uh, the Google drive client or whatever the hell they call it is absolute garbage. Like I don't want to ever hear anybody say anything bad about one drive ever, because a at this 0.1 drive is better than Dropbox and I hate admitting that, but it's true.

[00:22:21] Like I'm not happy to say that one drive is better than Dropbox and Mac right now. I really don't like saying that, but it is. But the Google app is the absolute worst. Like the Google app is so bad that I won't install it even in windows. Like I wanna install it anywhere. And the only there was a project I was working on where I was having to, um, interfere, like interact with, with Google drive.

[00:22:44] And I was having to upload several gigabytes, um, you know, uh, you know, every couple of days, um, or sometimes every day to a Google drive. And what I found was okay. I will give Google a lot of shit about how bad their client is. At least the web [00:23:00] interface did actually handle uploading files that large with a plump.

[00:23:05] So, which cause usually that's why I wouldn't want to deal with that. It'd be like, Oh, it'll be too slow to do whatnot. No drag and drop in the browser actually worked pretty well. Which, so no one ever used that, but yeah, that's the nice thing about forklift. And then also I think a, uh, cyber duck, um,

[00:23:19] Brett: [00:23:19] Oh my God. Cyber Doug. Speaking of gimp.

[00:23:22] Christina: [00:23:22] Exactly. No, but, but they, uh, they, they have one like called mountain Ducker or whatever. That also is a good remote, uh, way to like, host, like not posts, but I guess like, uh, pull up all of your S3 or whatever drives and then have a way to browse them without dealing with the clients. But yeah, forklift is good.

[00:23:41] Brett: [00:23:41] I think the last time I used cyber duck was the same era I used gimp. Wow. I didn't, I it's surprising. It's still around. Um, but yeah, I. So, uh, Oh, I forgot what I was going to say. It had something remotely to do with

[00:23:59] Christina: [00:23:59] no, no. [00:24:00] You're talking about forklift because of the dual paints.

[00:24:02] Brett: [00:24:02] Yeah, I lost it. We'll let it go.

[00:24:05] Christina: [00:24:05] We'll let it go. But yeah, it is. I

[00:24:06] Brett: [00:24:06] Oh, Oh, I remember I actually wear it. Wear it is integrated.

[00:24:12] I really do like iCloud drive.

[00:24:16] Christina: [00:24:16] Yeah. Um, well, okay. I'm of two minds of that, where it's

[00:24:22] Brett: [00:24:22] please tell

[00:24:24] Christina: [00:24:24] Okay. So where's integrate, I agree with you. I like the fact that when it's done well, there is automatically a folder. In, you know, I called drive for that application and that, no matter what device I'm at, I'm on or device type, I can access it actually really like that.

[00:24:41] Uh, but I don't, like, there are lots of things. I don't like a, I don't like the fact that I can't control how much storage space it is taking up on my device because Apple just wants to

[00:24:54] Brett: [00:24:54] No selective sync.

[00:24:55] Christina: [00:24:55] yeah. Like what? But it's not even really selective sync because it's like, Oh, we will [00:25:00] just. Basically determine how much space is free on your drive and how much we can use.

[00:25:05] And it's like, okay, if I have a two terabyte. Drive on a brand new machine. For instance, that's enough to take the 300 gigabytes or whatever that I have in my, my I call drive. And you can put it all on there, but I don't want that. And as I feel more space of my drive, I don't want that. And the way that Apple does that dynamic resize, and I just don't trust.

[00:25:26] And I don't like it. The other thing is it's still, and we're like four years into this now, maybe five, but you know, the backup, the, your desktop. Um, and your documents, folders, and iCloud drive. If you turn that on automatically, which is great, except it doesn't really work with multiple desktops. You just wind up with like desktop to desktop three, or like your documents, whatever.

[00:25:47] So it like it, you know, it's like, tell me what damn machine it is, you know, like

[00:25:51] Brett: [00:25:51] Yeah. I've never tried that.

[00:25:53] Christina: [00:25:53] Yeah. So I don't like that. And then the final thing is, you know, they finally introduced her supposed to introduce with [00:26:00] the, like the latest stuff, like the ability to share, um, folders with other people. I still find that too finicky.

[00:26:07] It's just not robust enough, but having said that, it's a weird thing with me. There are certain things like, cause I ha I pay for Dropbox, even though I keep telling myself I'm going to cancel it. I still pay for Dropbox. Um,

[00:26:20] Brett: [00:26:20] still has its perks.

[00:26:22] Christina: [00:26:22] It really does the ubiquity at this point, I think is the big thing with Dropbox.

[00:26:25] So I pay for Dropbox. Uh, I get, um, one drive through work and then I have one drive personal through the office, three 65 family account that I have, uh, cause I pay like 20 bucks a year. If you, if you ever need cheap office three 65, let me know. I'll hook you up. Um, And, and then I get a terabyte, you know, of that for, for personal stuff.

[00:26:47] And then I also paid like $20 because I needed the space for a hundred gigabytes and Google drive, which I will never use ever again. So after this year I will never use it ever again. So I've used all these things in addition to having [00:27:00] stuff in S3 or Backblaze, or, or other stuff. Um, and I will say.

[00:27:07] ICloud, even though it's not the best in any of the categories is still the one that for certain stuff will be like what? I'll just defacto go-to if that makes any sense.

[00:27:18] Brett: [00:27:18] So speaking of places you can use Dropbox.

[00:27:21] Christina: [00:27:21] Yes. Great, great. A great segue.

[00:27:23] Brett: [00:27:23] uh, it was, uh, it was a decent segue. Um, one of our sponsors this week, we have two sponsors this week, the show is going to survive. Um, but, uh, one of our sponsors is a remote HQ, which is kind of a, uh, I believe new, at least it's new to me. Um, but imagine, uh, like Slack meets zoom.

[00:27:47] Meets, uh, like interactive screen-sharing and you've got remote HQ and it's designed to allow people to meet remotely as if they were in the same room. And you can do [00:28:00] these, uh, um, like a private meeting room and you can have as many rooms as you want. You create a new room for, for every meeting. It's like having a really big office and then everyone logs in.

[00:28:10] They can have. Video and audio, they can have a co-browsing so they can share a browser and take turns like moving and clicking, uh, integrates with Google docs, uh, Trello boards, Dropbox, Miro, like, and you can, it tons of apps. You can add as many apps as you need to each meeting. Um, and it gives you a searchable digital trail.

[00:28:35] So it, uh, it automatically captures all of your session output. So notes from every meeting are automatically logged and saved to that event. So it's easy to, to figure out what you talked about at any given meeting. Um, and it's all browser based. So there's no software to download. And uh, meeting rooms can be locked.

[00:28:55] So there's no potential for zoom bombing, uh, only, only [00:29:00] authenticated users, uh, which is more secure than using a password. And you can easily save a page layout and save your work across recurring meetings. Uh, so once you get all your apps added, uh, you can toggle a switch and automatically carry over content from one meeting to the next.

[00:29:16] So you can pick up right where you left off. Um, I, I just gave you an invite to my remote HQ this

[00:29:25] Christina: [00:29:25] Yeah.

[00:29:26] Brett: [00:29:26] you haven't had much of a chance to explore yet.

[00:29:28] Christina: [00:29:28] No, I haven't, but I was looking at it before we, before we got on. And I, I liked kind of the look, you know, like, it looks similar to some of the other things that you've used before, like you mentioned, but what I do like about it, and I'm curious from your perspective having used it is that concept where it is trying to recreate the in-person meeting experience.

[00:29:45] Cause I think that's different than how a lot of those other tools work. So what, what's your kind of take on, on that? Like.

[00:29:53] Brett: [00:29:53] I think better than an in-person meeting, but I've always hated meetings to begin with. But having [00:30:00] like in an in-person meeting, one person has control of the, the slides or the browser at any given time. And with this, you can actually collaborate. And, uh, and I'm sure like working at Microsoft, you have all kinds of fancy tools for cool meetings, but for, for most purposes and most teams, I would think this is a step up from an in-person meeting.

[00:30:26] Christina: [00:30:26] Yeah, no, I'd agree with that. And I would also say that even at like, no matter what company I've worked at, whether it's like really big or really small, uh, Everybody always has issues getting the conference call like connected to the, to the screen in the room. So even you're in the in-person meeting and you're just trying to like, share your screen onto the big thing and like everybody has issues.

[00:30:47] And so, um, yeah, so I like that idea of being able to kind of have that power, but habit, uh, remotely. And, um, you're telling me too, like, you can do things like you can even do, like share what browsing like with, with [00:31:00] people. That's that's cool.

[00:31:01] Brett: [00:31:01] Yeah, well, I mean, it can be, it could, it could probably go wrong. But the idea of, especially like for me, a lot of my meetings would be around web design and web development. So being

[00:31:12] Christina: [00:31:12] I was

[00:31:12] Brett: [00:31:12] to, yeah, to be able to interactively explore and, and comment on aspects of a design would be super cool.

[00:31:21] Christina: [00:31:21] Yeah, no, I think that's awesome. Uh, I, uh, I like that idea a lot. No, I'm looking forward to, to playing with it with you. Cause I feel like it could be useful even for the way we plan our shows,

[00:31:32] Brett: [00:31:32] yeah. Oh, that's a really good idea. We should do that.

[00:31:36] Christina: [00:31:36] I think so.

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[00:32:00] [00:32:00] Christina: [00:32:00] I love it. I love it. Well, thank you. Thank you. Remote HQ. And I looking forward to planning the show and collabing with that on with you from now on.

[00:32:10] Brett: [00:32:10] and, uh, uh, we'll continue our conversation and see if we can pull off a good segue to our other sponsor. Um, w w I'll give you a heads up. It's Headspace.

[00:32:21] Christina: [00:32:21] Nice.

[00:32:21] Brett: [00:32:21] Which we've talked about before and, and it's, it's great, but we'll see if we can let's let's see what happens.

[00:32:28] Christina: [00:32:28] okay. So, so other than, um, to pain stuff, not so other than, uh, I guess your proxy icons, is there anything else that's driving you nuts about big Sur.

[00:32:40] Brett: [00:32:40] well, uh, uh, a lot of software isn't compatible yet, uh, uh, D script, which I use for editing. All of these podcasts is, uh, it has some serious issues in big Sur. Um, it ruined Mart marked is I may have mentioned that before, but. [00:33:00] Uh, Mark's PDF export under big Sur instead of outputting a nice vector PDF with selectable texts, and now just outputs a raster image of your document.

[00:33:12] And I don't know why this is happening. No one is responding to me. I'm having to completely rewrite Mark to make this work, which is not something I have time for as we get NV, ultra close to launch. But, uh, um, All, all of my rogue amoeba apps are having some issues. So, um, uh, audio hijack and sound source and loop back.

[00:33:36] I love RhoGAM MIGA, rogue amoeba. Amiga we haven't talked about Amigos. Um,

[00:33:44] Christina: [00:33:44] we should.

[00:33:45] Brett: [00:33:45] but, but yeah, like I it's, it's seriously impacting my everyday life right now. So I have a lot of. Uh, ill will toward big Sur at the moment. It'll probably get better, especially as apps [00:34:00] come up with solutions, but I know, I know like rogue amoeba has been on it the whole time and working to make it work.

[00:34:08] And I know, uh, de script announced a while back that they were trying to find solutions and much like my problem with Mark. I'm not sure there are solutions without rewrites and that's not cool.

[00:34:22] Christina: [00:34:22] Yeah, no, I mean, it's interesting. I was going to ask you about, you know, with marked, like, did they change something with I'm guessing they changed something with like the, you know, the built-in PDF render or

[00:34:30] Brett: [00:34:30] what so, so the thing is in order to do what Mart does, uh, it uses a ton of JavaScript that bridges to the objective C application and because of the way it's written, uh, with very synchronous communication between the two. I couldn't update to the new WK web view, which only allows async communication, um, that to do that upgrade would be [00:35:00] a full rewrite of thousands of lines of JavaScript.

[00:35:03] And so I, because WK web view also up until just a couple months ago, didn't have PDF or printing at all. Like it wasn't an option for me to, to use it. So it wasn't worth the time to rewrite. Meanwhile, they deprecated the version of WebKit that Mark uses. So it no longer has support and they won't fix what they've broken.

[00:35:33] Christina: [00:35:33] okay. That's frustrating.

[00:35:36] Brett: [00:35:36] So that's my life.

[00:35:37] Christina: [00:35:37] Yeah, I was going to say that doesn't sound super great. And like, I know that like little snips, cause they've even changed stuff like there was, did you get caught by the bug that hit everybody? When, um, everybody was trying to download big Sur and it crashed Apple CDN and then the part of, uh, you know, uh, Catalina and, and so on that phone home,

[00:35:57] Brett: [00:35:57] that's yeah, it verifies the [00:36:00] signatures for all app store apps.

[00:36:02] Christina: [00:36:02] Right.

[00:36:03] Brett: [00:36:03] Well even non app store apps.

[00:36:05] Christina: [00:36:05] Yeah. Every app. So like everybody's Mac was like super, super slow. And like, everybody was kind of blaming it. At least I was certainly blaming. I was like, Oh, well this, this is, this is big server stuff or whatever. But like, my Mac was slow too. And I was like, I, but it was, it happened on my birthday and I took a half day.

[00:36:20] So when stuff started like being bonkers, I was just like, Um, all right. I I'm I'm, I'm already 5,000. I'm not messing with this, but, uh, w were you hit with that?

[00:36:31] Brett: [00:36:31] I, I actually missed it. Uh, first I can't remember exactly why, but I also was AFK all day that day. Um, and only knew about it through like Twitter later in the evening.

[00:36:42] Christina: [00:36:42] Very nice. Very nice. Well, yeah. Well, the, the thing I was going to bring up with that though, is that it made me think of this because little snitch, um, You know, is usually what people would use to block things from communicating with certain servers, but it turns out Apple's made some changes to the way that firewalls work in CA [00:37:00] in big Sur, where apparently without doing some excessive stuff, you can't block access to their gateways, even with your own firewall.

[00:37:08] Um, and, uh, little snitch had to have a pretty significant rewrite to work. Um, in, in big Sur. So I know that there've been a lot of changes happening and, and that's even without talking about, I guess we should, this is it. This is not our list, but I, I want to talk to you about this last week. Um, now the, the Apple Silicon Macs are out.

[00:37:28] We're starting to see what apps are compatible with Arne and where like the edge cases are. And I was just curious from your perspective, since you had, um, uh, DTK, uh, Mac, uh, what, uh, What your observations have been and how things have been like on that front, either on the Rosetta two front or, you know, people porting their stuff to run an Apple Silicon part, because I know that it's different from like the ongoing, like mess of big Sur problems, but they're interrelated in the sense that in addition to having a new OOS, you also have it as like the [00:38:00] demarcation version of the new chip set.

[00:38:03] Brett: [00:38:03] Yeah, I am not. Um, I'm not ready to go into depth. I will say that Rosetta has, uh, like everything pretty much has run seamlessly for me, whether it's been compiled for, uh, Apple, Silicon or not. So I am I'm my fears have been assuaged as far as like making this transition. I think Rosetta two works even better than Rosetta did when they made the Intel switch.

[00:38:36] Um, but that said, I have not spent nearly as much time as I should have on my DTK and I am way behind the ball on that.

[00:38:48] Christina: [00:38:48] Gotcha. Okay. Well, we'll talk more about that in the future. And, and they, you know, there are some edge cases. Virtualization doesn't work right now. Um, Homebrew really doesn't work. There are some limited things you can do, but it [00:39:00] has to run through Rosetta or you have to apply some hacks to be able to run.

[00:39:04] The apps that are compiled for arm right now, Docker doesn't work right now. There, there are some definitely breaking points for some people. Node is not compiled natively, although it runs pretty fast and Rosetta too, from what I've seen, this'll all get fixed in time. But, but this, I think like, It makes me feel better about my decision to spend $5,000 on an iMac, uh, that had an Intel chip in it.

[00:39:29] And everybody was like, why would you do that? And I was like, cause it's going to be 18 months before I feel like solid about everything. Like it's probably not going to be 18 months. We'll probably be 12. But I, you know, I think that, uh, I'm seeing these now and I'm like, cool. Uh, th these are great machines for most people for devs.

[00:39:50] This, this should not be your primary machine, unless you were a very special type of developer. That's just my take right now, but I don't have one. So.

[00:39:56] Brett: [00:39:56] Yeah, I'm, uh, I'm not going to be able to afford [00:40:00] a new Mac for a couple of years anyway, so I'm going to give it some. Sometime I have my DTK that costs me $500 and I'll have to ship back eventually. But, um, Oh, I just got a notification that I've logged over 700 hours using NBO ultra. We hope it has served you.

[00:40:16] Well, I didn't even know we had that in there.

[00:40:19] Christina: [00:40:19] that's awesome. That's awesome. Do you have any updates on NDL ultra? You want to talk about.

[00:40:24] Brett: [00:40:24] um, so we keep having like a week long sprints. When, uh, when Fletcher is available, uh, but, uh, he works in an ER and things are things. Things are busy at the hospitals these days. So, um, there's a lot of pauses in development. We did just add this super cool, uh, history feature. So you have a backward and forward button as you go through your notes, uh, which is super nice.

[00:40:55] And it's all keyboard friendly. So I'm excited about that. [00:41:00] And we've got a few bugs left that have been recently reported to work out, but we have it all set up to, to add the, uh, a free trial version and, uh, kind of limited feature set and then unlock for full feature set. Things are very close. Yeah. So back when you were talking about connecting to Apple's, uh, signature authentication server, I had the perfect segue, but then we moved on.

[00:41:32] Christina: [00:41:32] Okay, well, let's go back there cause I can talk about that again.

[00:41:35] Brett: [00:41:35] So little snitch blocks, your connections, blah, blah, blah. But you don't need to spend a ton of money to reconnect with yourself.

[00:41:43] Christina: [00:41:43] Oh,

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[00:41:55] Christina: [00:41:55] you nailed it. You nailed it.

[00:41:56] Brett: [00:41:56] I mean, after the fact, but man,

[00:41:59] Christina: [00:41:59] I [00:42:00] mean, if we'd been able to get it, actually, when we were having that discussion, it would have been even better, but I still really like it.

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[00:44:01] Christina: [00:44:01] Definitely. And I mentioned this before, but I've actually used Headspace, uh, in the past. And, um, I I've actually, uh, I guess not in the past, but like before you know, this sponsorship and it's really good. It's something that actually I'm bad at meditating and clearing my mind. And it's one of the few things that's actually worked for me.

[00:44:18] And I've tried a lot of those wellness apps. So check it out.

[00:44:21] Brett: [00:44:21] Yeah. Like I found like mindful meditation and is, is great for me. Um, I used to think that my brain was too busy to meditate, but it turns out that's exactly when you should meditate and it can really, especially with ADHD, it can really help you, uh, calm your mind and, and find the focus. So. If you think your, your, your, your, your brain is too crazy to meditate.

[00:44:48] You're, you're, that's the opposite of, of how meditation works.

[00:44:53] Christina: [00:44:53] Yeah, I, I, um, I agree. It's sort of an interesting thing to think about. My, my shrink has mentioned similar things with me about [00:45:00] that too, but yeah, it goes contrary to what you would think, but it's like, no, actually that's why you should force yourself into trying that out because it will matter even more so good stuff.

[00:45:10] Brett: [00:45:10] So do you. Do you finish bad movies? Like if you decide, say halfway through a movie that it's just awful. Do you finish it anyway? Or do you walk out or hit stop?

[00:45:24] Christina: [00:45:24] okay. So it's weird because historically, like when I was younger, uh, and I was very much like, Uh, film snobs, you know, TM, you know, Christina, it felt disrespectful not to finish a film, even if it was terrible. And so there are a lot of things that I've just seen or, you know, sometimes like you're with friends or a date takes to the movie and you can't leave.

[00:45:52] Like you're not in a position to walk out. So I would say that historically. Yeah. I watched them all the way through. I would say that as I've gotten [00:46:00] older, As I've become both more ADHD, thanks to us having many computers in our pockets at all times, which can distract us from things. And also, frankly, I think that it's like this rise of we've never had more content available to us than ever before.

[00:46:15] Not just in the fact that we're like at peak. TV and movie and stuff. And that there's a lot of really good new stuff, but we also have like instantaneous access to old stuff. So at this point, unless I'm like intentionally watching something that's bad, like grant is really into MST three K and retract.

[00:46:33] So if we're like washing one of those, uh, fine. Although he likes them way more than I do. Cause at a certain point, I just can't get them anymore. But if something is like really bad, yeah. I'm pretty game at this point. It just like. Duck out. What about you?

[00:46:49] Brett: [00:46:49] Well, so I realized very much the same thing recently. Like I used to, I used to feel like I wouldn't be allowed to complain about a movie if I hadn't finished it. Um, because you could say, [00:47:00] well, I thought it was terrible and I walked out, but that's kind of where the conversation has to stop because you don't know for sure.

[00:47:06] Maybe it redeemed itself in the last half. Um, so I used to watch most movies all the way through. I don't think I ever walked out of a theater. Um, on rare occasions I would stop a tape or a DVD from playing. Um, but since, since streaming happened, And I think for much of the same reasons that you spoke of, I just, I have better things to do with my time.

[00:47:33] There are better things to watch. There are, uh, too many things that I could be doing to sit through a truly awful movie. This happened, I was watching the wrong Missy on Netflix, I think. And it was, it's a David spade movie. And it was the worst thing I seen in a long time. And we got to a certain point Ella and I [00:48:00] did where we just, we agreed that there was no way at, at like the halfway Mark that the movie could redeem itself.

[00:48:09] Um, it tortured us, us. We ended up going back and watching the last 10 minutes just to see where they had gone with it. And it was every, it was the worst possible conclusion. So, I don't know what all happened in between, but they were kind enough to put a fucking montage of the part we missed at the end.

[00:48:30] Like he has this flashback and remembers all of the, the chaos of the movie in a 32nd montage that made us absolutely sure. We made the right choice.

[00:48:43] Christina: [00:48:43] Uh, so I am, I've just Wikipedia this and I'm looking at just the poster and this, this looks awful. Like

[00:48:57] Brett: [00:48:57] I thought it was going to be awful charming,

[00:49:00] [00:49:00] Christina: [00:49:00] Sure.

[00:49:00] Brett: [00:49:00] but it was not at all. Charming.

[00:49:04] Christina: [00:49:04] Yeah. Yeah, no, I'm, I'm, I'm like, I'm like looking at the cast list and I'm like really upset this Sarah chalk is in this because I really like her. Um, and, and she doesn't even have a major part in it. And it is a happy Madison, uh, film is what it seems like. Uh, or maybe it's not, maybe they were just. You know, because Netflix has that massive deal with, with, uh, Adam Sandler where he is now.

[00:49:30] Like, I think, I think Adam, Sandler's like a legitimate billionaire now because of Netflix.

[00:49:35] Brett: [00:49:35] I didn't finish. Happy Madison either

[00:49:37] Christina: [00:49:37] um, I mean that one I've seen a million times, but yeah. Uh, uh, um, uh, but uh, happy go more Billy Madison that having Madison's a studio's name. Uh, but yeah, I, um,

[00:49:51] Brett: [00:49:51] happy Gilmore, right?

[00:49:52] Christina: [00:49:52] Happy. Yeah. Happy Gomer is the golfing one, um, with the kid who's, you know, once he [00:50:00] has the crush on the kindergarten teacher, something, uh, it's been a really long time, but yeah, I think that was the deal.

[00:50:04] The deal with that never really cared for them, but they were always on. And that was back in the era. When your friends want to watch happy Gilmore you're 13, you don't have any option to be like. No, I'll just watch something else on my phone. You know what I mean? Um, so, but yeah, yeah, this looks pretty bad, but I'm with you.

[00:50:24] Like I better things to do with my time. Now. I will say if I do come across something that is so spectacularly terrible, like truly like remarkably, like from Justin to Kelly level bad, there is a part of me that is, is still sort of like grotesquely intrigued, but. But that is, that is few and far between like, uh, okay.

[00:50:48] So like case in point this morning, uh, the outgoing president, uh, Donald J. Trump started to retweet Randy Quaid. Uh, the [00:51:00] actor now, Randy Quaid, if you have not kept up with him, uh, has become the full embodiment of the cousin, Eddie character from the vacation films, except he's even more like crack.

[00:51:12] Brain's like, he's like, he's like legitimately, like off. The rocker, like he's like a legitimate queue and on like, whatever guy I think he was, I think he's been arrested for burglary. I believe that he was like illegally in Canada for a while and then was like deported or extra or something. I don't even know guy it's bad.

[00:51:30] Right. Anyway, this reminded me and cause I tweeted something about it. I was like, you know, checks notes, you know, that, that, that, um, you know, he's, you know, tweeting things, you know, from the, the star of a. Um, national Lampoon's Christmas vacation too. And I was reminded of national Lampoon's Christmas vacation too, which you know, the original Christmas vacation.

[00:51:53] See what you want about both the Chevy chase and Randy Quaid, two terrible people. Great, great fucking movie. [00:52:00] Like honestly, one of the best like slapstick Christmas movie things ever like is perfect. Right. Great movie. But they made a sequel and it aired on NBC. I assumed that they. That that originally they were thinking maybe it would go, you know, straight to video or whatever, but NBC was like, no, we'll air this bullshit. It's it's real bad. I saw it in college. I think that somebody made me watch it. And it was one of those that I couldn't get out of. And all I remember about it is that cousin Eddie now works at a nuclear reactor plants and a monkey is his coworker

[00:52:33] Brett: [00:52:33] Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense.

[00:52:35] Christina: [00:52:35] and in somehow, and, and also like. The rest of the Griswold family is not there.

[00:52:40] You know, like Chevy chase, even in 2003, when this came out, even like, and that was like low times for Chevy chase. He's like, fuck you. I'm not doing this. Beverly to Angela was also like, fuck you. I'm not doing this. So, uh, it's real bad. And I was reminded of that this morning. And that's, that's one of those movies that is like [00:53:00] so bad that if I had the option, now I would turn it off.

[00:53:04] Like, it's, it's one of those where. It is from Justin to Kelly level bad, but there's like not anything redeeming about it. Like at least from Justin to Kelly there's camp. And it's, it's just, I mean, it's got awful, but if you got high. That would be pretty good. Cats is a perfect example of that, right? Like cats is a fucking terrible movie.

[00:53:23] And I saw that in a theater in, um, January I new year's day, terrible. It was high out of my mind. And I was drinking, um, uh, vodka slushies because the, the, the AMC, we went to had a bar and the guy was willing to put, um, two shots of vodka in my slushie. So it was great. Uh, But that's the only way you can watch cats is to just be stoned out of your mind.

[00:53:47] So if you are not one who wants to do drugs or alcohol or be under the control of those substances, there's no reason for you to enjoy cats period. But like, it has to be, to me that level of bad for me to not turn it [00:54:00] off, because I think like if I were advising you, someone who doesn't drink or do drugs and you came across cats, On like Netflix ratio or whatever, I would just be like, no, you, you don't need to see this, the, the scene with, with the, uh, you know, um, um, James cordon and, um, what's her face from, uh, fat Amy from pitch.

[00:54:25] Perfect. Um, you, you don't need to like that alone, that, that one musical segment you're like. Yep. You know what? I don't need to watch any of this. There's also a scene where Jennifer, um, um, what's her base? Um, Hudson, like has, I think they might be even TGI at the snot who even knows, but all I could stare at was what she's doing, the scene of memory and she's crying.

[00:54:48] And like, she's just like snot coming out of her nose and, and, and you just can't focus on anything else except for the snot. And it's just, it's like, her voice is wonderful. Right. And, and [00:55:00] it's, you're just like, how did all these talented people get. Sucked into this and, uh, yeah,

[00:55:09] Brett: [00:55:09] Yeah, well, I will heed your warning. I haven't seen it. Don't plan to.

[00:55:13] Christina: [00:55:13] yeah, yeah. Uh, don't suggest it like, honestly, I will say to the audience though, if you do want somebody to get like either really drunk and or stoned and watch perfect movie for that also, I would say that it is one of those. Here's my question for you. Would the terrible David spade movie would that have been enjoyable if you'd seen it with a big group of people where everyone was laughing and like making fun of it as it happened, or is it still too bad for that?

[00:55:43] Brett: [00:55:43] it, the humor was so cringy that I don't think there's an, there are enough drugs to make me think it was funny.

[00:55:49] Christina: [00:55:49] okay. See then that that's me. That's a skip movie, right? Because I guess this is my point because cats is one of those where as bad as it is, um, like my, my friend Simone de Roche [00:56:00] for a co-host of rocket, she actually like did alive. Um, screening of that before a lockdown at, at one of the Alamo draft houses where she was like one of the MCs and the whole audience, you know, a ride in like, and it was, it was apparently a great time, like kind of like Rocky horror that I, that I could see, like being fun.

[00:56:19] But I feel like when movies like the Christmas vacation two or, um, uh, the other Molly or the wrong Molly or the wrong Missy or whatever, it's called. Uh, whatever, uh, bullshit it is. Um, I feel like when there isn't even anything you can grab onto, like there's no redeeming value there. So to me, that's just like, skip.

[00:56:39] Brett: [00:56:39] Yeah. Like a, yeah. There's, there's something to be said for campy movies. That you can laugh at, but yeah, some movies just, uh, they're just gross. They, they just make you feel gross. Well, that's an hour.

[00:56:56] Christina: [00:56:56] That's an hour. Did you, did you want to touch on Instagram perversion?

[00:56:59] Brett: [00:56:59] We're going to [00:57:00] save that one.

[00:57:01] Christina: [00:57:01] damn it

[00:57:02] Brett: [00:57:02] Okay. Okay. We'll go over. Let's do it. Here's my question. If you, do you have Instagram on a device near you? If you open Instagram and you hit the search button, what do you see?

[00:57:19] We'll wait.

[00:57:21] Christina: [00:57:21] I'm pulling it up. Uh, Oh, I see. I see a bunch of a bunch of women. I S

[00:57:30] Brett: [00:57:30] me too.

[00:57:32] Christina: [00:57:32] yeah, like, like I, like, I see like a video of like a girl and like a cheerleading outfit, like of sorts, like showing off her boots. Oops.

[00:57:39] Brett: [00:57:39] thought it was just me

[00:57:41] Christina: [00:57:41] no,

[00:57:42] Brett: [00:57:42] like,

[00:57:42] Christina: [00:57:42] I do see some, some Botox lip stuff, but yeah, no, I see a lot of like scantily clad women.

[00:57:47] Brett: [00:57:47] I know that Instagram tracks, how long you spend looking at given pictures in your camera roll. Um, so I had assumed because I do tend to stop for like selfies [00:58:00] of, of attractive women, uh, that it had made decisions. That when I hit search that I was going to search for hot girls. And now when I open up the search, it's nothing but like models and, and hot girls doing yoga.

[00:58:17] And I thought it had, it had just made some decisions about me. Uh, but it's really good to know that that's just what it's showing everybody.

[00:58:25] Christina: [00:58:25] Yeah. I mean, I think so. I mean, they're there, I do follow a lot of supermodels on Instagram. So that is possible that my thing too, but I also mostly like photos of my friend's babies, because that's also an Instagram has become for me at

[00:58:39] Brett: [00:58:39] Sure. Sure. And cats.

[00:58:42] Christina: [00:58:42] and cats. Yeah. But, but, uh, my, my friend, my friends, Ashley and Lindsay just had a baby.

[00:58:47] And so I see Marlo's face all over my Instagram because Ashley's a really good photographer, but, um, Yeah, no, I, I see like a lot of scantily clad women on the search page. I think that's just what they're doing either [00:59:00] that, or we're both perverts, which is also possible

[00:59:02] Brett: [00:59:02] Yeah. Okay. Well, I, yeah, as long as it's not a like, um, YouTube radicalization thing where I've just, the algorithm is just trying to suck me in further. I can sleep easier. Hey, we did that in under five minutes.

[00:59:19] Christina: [00:59:19] Yeah, we did. I was going to say that wasn't bad at all.

[00:59:21] Brett: [00:59:21] No. All right. Well, thanks to remote HQ and to Headspace for sponsoring today's show, uh, keep it up.

[00:59:30] We, we love sponsors. I'm always open to well, so I'm, I'm kind of picky. Uh, backbeat media is handling our sponsorships right now and. That they always ask, you know, they, they pitch a sponsor to us before they pitch us to a sponsor. So there are some that I'll say no to, um, we get to be picky and choose ones that we can actually support.

[00:59:55] So that's nice.

[00:59:57] Christina: [00:59:57] Definitely definitely when, when, and we definitely [01:00:00] appreciate it. So.

[01:00:01] Brett: [01:00:01] All right. Well, Christina, get some sleep.

[01:00:04] Christina: [01:00:04] Thank you Brett. Get some sleep and happy Thanksgiving to, uh, everybody in the U S or otherwise stay safe.