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- TheCrafsMan SteadyCraftin
- CarriedAwayByCarrie on Etsy
- Suspect tries to escape FBI agents using underwater “sea scooter” in frigid California lake
- Ponzi’s Scheme: The True Story of a Financial Legend
- Ted Lasso
- Olivia Wilde and Jason Sudeikis Split
- Lady Bird
- King of the Hill
- Playstation 5
- Standing up for developers: youtube-dl is back
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[00:00:00] Brett: [00:00:00] I am Brett Turkstra. This is over tired. I’m here with Christina Warren. Hi Christina.
[00:00:05] Christina: [00:00:05] Hey, Brett, how are you?
[00:00:06] Brett: [00:00:06] I’m good. We’re we’re recording mid day today. So w we’re just trying new things every week. Now.
[00:00:12] Christina: [00:00:12] we are. And, and I apologize that I was not able to do my normal time, but I had to go to the doctor to like, get more antibiotics because I’ve had the sinus infection and they gave me drugs for it, but the drugs were not strong enough. And so I called Teladoc again and they were like, Give it some time, if it doesn’t go away, then like go in and whatnot.
[00:00:33] And then it’s been like a week and a half in greatly, too long and got to the point yesterday. Like I was having a hard time swallowing and my ear was hurting so bad. I couldn’t sleep. So now I’m on. So now I’m on like a Keflex, uh, um, uh, which you know, is super, super, super strong. So hopefully
[00:00:50] Brett: [00:00:50] It’s not the COVID though.
[00:00:52]Christina: [00:00:52] No, it’s not the COVID.
[00:00:54] Brett: [00:00:54] Okay. I, the reason I had originally moved the appoint or our [00:01:00] scheduled recording time was because I had an eye exam and I hate like, my vision hasn’t changed in 10 years, maybe 20 years. I haven’t, I haven’t changed my prescription since like high school. And. Yeah. And to order contacts, I have to have an exam every two years.
[00:01:22] So I keep every two years I called order my contacts and they say, you have to have an eye appointment. And I say, okay. And I go in and they push a bunch of, they dilate my eyes and puff air in them and everything. And then I can’t see you for half a day and nothing ever changes. And yeah, so I couldn’t, here’s what I realized today though, when my eyes are dilated, I’ve always put my contacts back in before I leave.
[00:01:50] But today I wore glasses and it turns out when my eyes are fully dilated. I can’t see close up with my glasses on, but if I take them off, I’m fine. I [00:02:00] always thought I was just completely blind for a few hours after dilation. Do you wear glasses? Does any of this make any sense to you?
[00:02:07] Christina: [00:02:07] no, it makes complete sense to me. Okay. So I’m pretty nearsighted. I’m like. I don’t know my, my, my, my vision. Isn’t great. Um, and I’ve been wearing contact lenses since I was eight years old. So, um, I do have a prescription for glasses, but I haven’t had them filled in forever. So my glasses, if I could even find them are terrible, like they wouldn’t work, but, um, My, my, my, uh, new usually stays about the same.
[00:02:35] I think I’m on negative six. Um, so not super good. Uh, but like it could be worse or whatever. I do totally understand what you mean about the having the dilated people’s stuff. And even when they gave me like the reverse drops, it still takes a while. And it’s hard because what’ll happen is that first my vision will come back a little bit and then it’s focusing on like stuff that’s up close that becomes [00:03:00] like really, really difficult, at least for me.
[00:03:04] Um, so, so like, My vision. I don’t know if yours is the same way. Like I can see up close normally, like great. It’s when you get more than, I don’t know, 12 inches away that I started to have problems
[00:03:15] Brett: [00:03:15] Yeah, I do. I do. Okay. Up to 12 inches. I’m the opposite of a cat. Did you know cats are blind within a butter for their face?
[00:03:22] Christina: [00:03:22] did not, but yeah, I’m the opposite. I too am the opposite of a cat.
[00:03:26] Brett: [00:03:26] Yeah. It’s it’s like you ever, if you’ve ever held a treat out in your hand for a cat and they just like stare at you blankly, but if you toss it on the floor, they’ll go grab it. It’s because they can’t see your hand.
[00:03:39] Christina: [00:03:39] That’s interesting.
[00:03:40] Brett: [00:03:40] that, and they’re assholes. I mean, they
[00:03:42] Christina: [00:03:42] well, I was going to say that’s yeah, I’ve never owned a cat, but that’s, that was the thing I’ve understood more. Right? Is, is it the they’re just assholes, but I too am the opposite of the cat and it’s this sort of thing where my vision it’s, I mean, it’s is bad to the point that.
[00:03:58] Like if I don’t have my contacts [00:04:00] in, or if I didn’t have glasses, I would not be able to walk around or, or do things like it would be like a safety issue
[00:04:07] Brett: [00:04:07] Yeah. Yeah, me too. Um, I’m not, um, it’s, it’s not like I could survive if it were an apocalypse and I could no longer get new contacts and eventually mine wore out and I broke my glasses, which I always assume will be okay. One of the things that we’ll be dealing with. I assume that if there is an, uh, a pock apocalyptic occurrence, the first thing that will happen to me is my glasses will break.
[00:04:32] It’ll be like that Twilight episode, but the guy who just wants to read books, and then he breaks his glasses at the end of the world. Anyway, um, I could survive, like I can see the zombies coming. I just, I can’t focus on their faces. I can’t read street signs, uh, at all without my glasses. But in an apocalypse, I
[00:04:53] Christina: [00:04:53] I mean, I’m, I’m way
[00:04:54] Brett: [00:04:54] names are less important.
[00:05:00] [00:04:59] Christina: [00:04:59] Yeah, no, I think you’re probably right. In my case, I would absolutely not be able to survive. Like I like the zombies would be eating me. Like we were talking like fear of the walking dead situation, because not only would I not be able to see the street science, I wouldn’t be able to make out that it was a street sign.
[00:05:13] Like it would just look like a fuzzy
[00:05:16] Brett: [00:05:16] you wouldn’t be able to tell who is a zombie and who is just an out of focus blob.
[00:05:20]Christina: [00:05:20] Absolutely not. Absolutely not. It’d be real bad.
[00:05:23] Brett: [00:05:23] yeah, zombies did you know, prepping has become mainstream again, like it was always, it was like the American pastime for weirdos. And now since Corona virus hit, uh, these companies that sell underground bunkers and stuff have just, they’ve had to hire people to handle the demand.
[00:05:44]Christina: [00:05:44] Interesting. That makes sense. I guess, with everything that’s happening, like I can see it coming back again because now we are actually in a situation, not where prepping makes sense. Cause it doesn’t, but where people were given, I guess, cover for their Hornish tenants. You know what I mean?
[00:06:00] [00:05:59] Brett: [00:05:59] Yeah.
[00:06:01] Christina: [00:06:01] They were like, Oh, well it actually is legitimately hard to buy toilet paper.
[00:06:05] So I might as well build a bunker that also has a bunch of food stuff and other stuff, you know what I mean?
[00:06:10] Brett: [00:06:10] Yeah. Oh, there’s a, uh, one of our discord members and I’m forgetting which one now, but, uh, their, their mom has an Etsy shop because she owns a cricket, a little dye cutter thing. And, uh, and she has shot glasses, pandemic shot glasses that have, uh, like there’s one with toilet paper on it. And one with the coronavirus molecule on it.
[00:06:34] They’re, they’re clever. It makes me want to get a cricket. I’ve been seeing commercials for the correct. Hey, do you know what this is?
[00:06:40] Christina: [00:06:40] No, I don’t.
[00:06:41] Brett: [00:06:41] like a, it’s like a handy little dye cutter and you can just feed in your patterns. Designs, make stickers, greeting cards, like paper cut, greeting cards and everything.
[00:06:52] It appeals to my crafty side. I have, I have piles of craft shit. I, I, I, [00:07:00] if I took more pictures, I would be a scrapbooker. But I just like making like custom cards for people’s birthdays, more than anything.
[00:07:08]Christina: [00:07:08] Yeah, no, that makes sense. And I was going to say, this does kind of fit with what you’re talking about. Like with your crafty side of that I know about you do like you do woodworking and other stuff. I don’t do that sort of stuff at all. Like that is, I wish. Actually, I don’t know. I guess I, if I were good at it, it would be one thing.
[00:07:24] Um, I’m not, so I don’t have it, but it’s weird because the rest of my family. All is like my dad, I guess, less so, but he does have the skills to do it. If he needed to, my mom is pretty good. Um, she, but she likes it a lot. My sister both likes it and is incredibly talented at it. Like insanely insanely talented.
[00:07:45] She’s very artistic in similar ways that you’re artistic, like very like full on right brain side, whereas I’m artistic, but it’s, it’s different. Like it. Like I’m good at, at abstract types of art and [00:08:00] stuff where I can be precise with it. But if I was trying to cut something specifically or whatever, like I would be really worried about making sure that it was exactly just so, and like, you know, you need a certain amount of, uh, what’s the word, I guess like, like trust in yourself to be able to be fluid and, and do certain things.
[00:08:18] And I’m like, Oh no, I, I would be, you know, not able to draw like a perfect circle.
[00:08:25] Brett: [00:08:25] that’s the thing is you’re a perfectionist too. Which makes it hard to get started. You have to be willing to make a mess.
[00:08:32]Christina: [00:08:32] Yeah. That’s true.
[00:08:33] Brett: [00:08:33] this however leads me to, so Harold Dina and are in our discord. Shared this YouTube channel called the craftsmen with there’s no T just CRF, S M I N steady Crafton. And it’s this guy who he, he, he’s only on camera as a puppet and he has this strong, like by you accent and almost [00:09:00] unintelligible at points, but he does like everything from, uh, making rubber.
[00:09:07] Figurines to a more complex craft. Yeah, I got lost in it for like an hour yesterday. Uh, I had it playing in the background and it ended up stealing my focus. What do you call that? Like a YouTube hole. A tube hole.
[00:09:25] Christina: [00:09:25] Yeah. To pull a tube K hole, I guess.
[00:09:27] Brett: [00:09:27] You’re right. Yeah. It’s uh, it, it, I dunno. It’s fascinating. It’s it’s it’s weird. It’s weird.
[00:09:36] Christina: [00:09:36] I can, I can see like getting into that kind of content. And then the funny thing is, I’m sure, like once you see one of those things, the algorithm, like you just see more and more and more and more like you were saying. And now for like the
[00:09:48] Brett: [00:09:48] Pretty soon. You’re a radical crafts person.
[00:09:50] Christina: [00:09:50] recommended to you. Right, right. No, but, but even beyond that, like the thing is, is that okay? You know, cause we’re ADHD. So we, our interest shift to [00:10:00] something else. And then what happens is it’s like, okay, well now, um, I forgotten about this, but YouTube is going to keep reminding me every couple of weeks, once people post something about it.
[00:10:11] And so I’ll be reminded every few weeks. Oh, remember the time I went down that hole, do I want to continue to care about
[00:10:16] Brett: [00:10:16] right. Right, right now, YouTube basically only recommend science and atheism videos to me. Uh, we had to make sure that our TB had a separate account set up for L because I was getting recommendations for like, um, home spinning and darning socks and things that were not of interest to me. Um, none of this stuff I watch will ever lead to radicalization though, although that’s not true, I guess atheism could be considered radical by some people. Science science could be considered Brown
[00:10:55] Christina: [00:10:55] totally. I mean, you could just become like, you could be a comedy, like a [00:11:00] truly committed, like, and then there’s like alternative sciences stuff. Like there, there are a lot of holes that you could go down if people like, believe it or not.
[00:11:07] Brett: [00:11:07] I go down the holes that, that dis debunk I good. I watch a lot of debunking videos on alternatives. Um,
[00:11:17] Christina: [00:11:17] yeah, I watched those two, although the skeptic community pisses me off because they get into their own drama, which is sometimes interesting, but oftentimes it’s just not,
[00:11:26] Brett: [00:11:26] react reaction videos to reaction videos too. Yeah, they get, they get old fast
[00:11:33] Christina: [00:11:33] Yeah, I recently, I recently went down a hole of like, there’s like the, there’s a, there’s the anti MLM movement, which, you know, sounds like a good thing.
[00:11:42] Um, except it kind of turned into something where I’m not really sure if any of these women are actually anti MLM or some of them have been in an MLM. Some of them haven’t been, but it then just kind of turned into a bunch of them, like having reaction videos to. You know, people in MLMs making videos.
[00:11:58] And then there was like drama with it where [00:12:00] somebody who was big in the anti MLM community was like, why I’m no longer anti MLM. And then that became a whole thing. Anyway, I waste, I wasted like a whole part of my Saturday trying to figure out if I cared about the drama enough or not. And I think my takeaway was no I don’t.
[00:12:17] And also anybody who, like, I am such a. Like fervent anti MLM, pyramid scheme person, other than like, when someone pulls off a really good one and then I’m like, Oh, that’s actually interesting. Uh, but, but I’m so anti, like, I could never get sucked into that. You know what I mean? That it’s, um, it, I was like, yeah, no, I kind of think everybody is terrible, except like maybe the people who really were in it got pulled out of it and are trying to warn others.
[00:12:44] But I feel like the people who are like, I’m no longer anti MLM because the community is toxic. I’m like, Okay. You’re you’re bad. And also you were making these videos just to get clicks, which was weird, but anyway, so are you, we’re going to make a segue before I went into a
[00:12:57] Brett: [00:12:57] was I, because I have a new one, [00:13:00] CBS, CBS reports that this guy that the FBI. I was about to arrest for a Ponzi scheme, uh, tried to escape using an underwater scooter that likes submerges and can go four miles an hour at a depth of 100 feet. And he jumped in a Lake and tried to get away underwater. So they just followed the bubbles and waited for him to come back up.
[00:13:24] It was a delightful story. Yeah.
[00:13:26] Christina: [00:13:26] uh, that is delightful. I love that so much.
[00:13:32] Brett: [00:13:32] Fucking Lake
[00:13:34] Christina: [00:13:34] a Lake, I mean, but just imagine like your getaway thing, like, you’re like, okay, I’m gonna, I’m gonna escape capture by escaping underwater in my Lake because that goes four miles an hour. Cause the police can’t just drive around the
[00:13:45] Brett: [00:13:45] right. Or walk.
[00:13:47] Christina: [00:13:47] Right, right, right, right.
[00:13:48] I mean, obviously they, they could walk faster than like that, that thing is going, but like, I love that. And he’s like, Oh, uh, yeah, that, that that’ll show them, like, what would your scenario even be in that case? Like, even in a [00:14:00] best case situation, like how much water would you have to have, where that could be like, unless you have your own real legit submarine.
[00:14:07] And even then like, you’re going to have to come up for air at some point and people are going to be there, like. Wait, what are you going to like, just, just traverse under water until you get to The Bahamas and, and are technically on foreign soil or something? Like, what are you doing?
[00:14:22] Brett: [00:14:22] Yeah, no, it’s, it’s ridiculous. But that’s also his Ponzi, same scheme. He sounded pretty lame. Like he owned a legitimate company, but then came up with this. Up vesting thing where he, he just had people give him money that he promised was going to an algorithm that would reinvest it for them, but there wasn’t, he was just taking their money.
[00:14:42] So it’s
[00:14:42] Christina: [00:14:42] Oh, yeah, yeah, no, yeah, it is. No that, no, no, no. That is actually a legit Ponzi scheme. So the origins of the term Ponzi scheme goes back to Charles Ponzi, who it was a very classic, you know, robbing Peter to pay Paul thing. And so he was, uh, he claimed that he would [00:15:00] use arbitrage to buy postal reply coupons, which were a thing back in the day, which basically would.
[00:15:05] Let you use postage regardless of what country you were in. So if you lived in, uh, and this was, you know, in the 1920s, so this is back when you had a lot of immigrants. And so if you lived in say Italy and you were trying to send money or send, you know, something to the United States and you didn’t have a us postage, you could use one of these postage reply coupons that would.
[00:15:27] Apply kind of universally. And the thing is, is that because, um, stamped prices differed place to place, even though, um, you couldn’t exchange the postal client reply coupons for money, right? Uh, Ponzi thought. He was like, Oh, well, if I bought enough of these things, I could then exchange them for stamps and then find a way to convert those stamps into money.
[00:15:48] And if I did this, depending on what the price of stamps were, you know, in different markets, like I could create arbitrage and create money out of this. Uh, it could maybe work, but it actually turned out that the global supply of [00:16:00] postal supply coupons was, was so small that you wouldn’t really be able to make money.
[00:16:04] But instead, what he was doing is he was telling people that he could double the money. And I think like 12 weeks or six weeks or something. And so basically he was saying, um, if you, within a certain period of time, I’ll give you 150% of your investment. And if you let it roll, it’ll be 200% of your investment and you can, you can go beyond that.
[00:16:23] And so. He thought that he could figure out a way to actually make money at this time. He couldn’t. And, uh, you know, during the summer of 1922 or something, he wound up, you know, fleecing the city of Boston and even a little bit beyond that out of, you know, millions and millions of dollars before it was brought down.
[00:16:42] But yeah, that’s what this guy was doing. It’s like, that’s like the most classic Ponzi thing. Oh, I’m investing your money this way, but really no, I’m just taking your money and then. Pain earlier investors with, uh, with the money that comes in from the new people.
[00:16:57] Brett: [00:16:57] so how do you [00:17:00] wait, you know, stuff, right? Like someone says Ponzi scheme and you can rattle off, like, this is the origin of Ponzi. This is how do do you spend a lot of time, like reading? How do you retain all of this information?
[00:17:14] Christina: [00:17:14] Well, yeah, so I read a lot, um, in this case I read a book called Ponzi scheme, gosh, 13 years ago. Um, it actually might’ve even been an audible book that I listened to, which I think might’ve helped in that case. And I found the topic really interesting and it went through the whole thing and I’ve actually listened to that audio book more than once.
[00:17:34] Um, because it was a really good story. Uh, Michelle Zuckoff is the author and it’s, it’s a really, really good story. It’s actually just for a brief tangent. Um, not only does it give you the whole life history of Charles Ponzi and his scheme, but also it sort of intersects it with the guy who ultimately like the newspaper that uncovered the whole thing and, and sort of the, uh, the publisher’s son [00:18:00] who was.
[00:18:01] Kind of a fuck up. And his dad became like in terms and he had to sort of take over the family business, which at the time was like the biggest newspaper in Boston and everybody thought he was a fuck up. And he actually wound up being the publisher and supporting the paper and the reporters who uncovered all of this.
[00:18:19] And, and so it’s, but there’s sort of interesting parallels between his life and Charles Ponzi, his life, um, uh, Which is, which is fascinating, but, uh, yeah, I read a lot. And then if it’s interesting to me, even if I’ve only read it once, it’s usually one of those things where I just retain it, I just will not forget the even.
[00:18:38] The my new details, but in, in the Ponzi case, that’s one that I think I’ve listened to the book, you know, twice. And, um, and I obviously read a lot about, um, uh, Bernie Madoff and I think that was the catalyst for me originally listening to the book. So it was 2008, I guess, was, you know, made off. And, um, I I’ve looked into like other people who’ve done that stuff and, [00:19:00] uh, I don’t know, I found the Ponzi story, just so fascinating, just what he was doing and the way he was doing it.
[00:19:05] And, um, there was also a bunch of stuff with how he was trying to kind of stay one step ahead of the banks and other things, because, you know, he was trying to prove a solvency when he really didn’t have it. And this was before there was FEIC suffer banks. And so his attempt at getting ahead of things was he was literally trying to buy ownership of one of the banks so that he could then Rob money from the banks to pay off his, his stuff, you know?
[00:19:27] Uh, like there’s just a whole bunch of layers to it, but
[00:19:30] Brett: [00:19:30] It’s not just Ponzi though. Like you, you basically, every week you’re able to do this. You’re able to wow. Me with how much, you know, about some thing that like, I’ve read about what I have now. I’m nowhere near the depth of knowledge that you do about stuff. It’s very impressive. I don’t think there’s anything, uh, uh, weird about that.
[00:19:52] It’s it’s really impressive. You have a mind like a trap.
[00:19:56] Christina: [00:19:56] That’s kind of it. Right. Um, I, I, I don’t know. I go [00:20:00] into little holes, kind of like what we do and if I was interested in something, I typically won’t forget it. Uh, that’s not universally true, but it’s, it’s true enough, especially if I don’t know if I can find a way to, if there’s like an interesting narrative around it, um, I can usually retain it forever,
[00:20:16] Brett: [00:20:16] I, I forget stuff so quickly that like one year after a TV show comes out, I can decide to binge watch it and be halfway through it. Before I realized I already watched the whole thing. Yeah, I could do that with game of Thrones. Right now I could start game of Thrones and it would be like a whole new series to me.
[00:20:35] Christina: [00:20:35] Yeah, well, that’s the thing. I mean, the issue with me is like, it does require a guest prolonged attention. So if it’s one of those things where like game of Thrones is actually a good example where I didn’t ever get super, super into it. So if I were to watch it again, I would need to go back and like watch really closely and not have my phone near me and not be doing other shit so that I could absorb it otherwise.
[00:20:58] I’m like, Oh yeah. I [00:21:00] remember some of these plot lines, but I don’t remember the whole thing.
[00:21:02] Brett: [00:21:02] I’m uh, I talked, uh, I finally talked L into watching Ted lasso.
[00:21:07] Christina: [00:21:07] yes.
[00:21:08] Brett: [00:21:08] I am, I am, she’s loving it. And I am at that annoying point where I still remember everything so well that I can like say lines before people say them, uh, which I know is annoying and I try not to do it, but there are some lines that you like, you still look forward to, especially, especially his responses to Nathan the, the attack.
[00:21:29] A kit kit kit, man. Um, yeah, like it’s some of his lines they’re so Ned Flanders Z, but just they’re delightful.
[00:21:40] Christina: [00:21:40] they are delightful. Yeah. I finally got grant to watch it too. And he also really, really liked it. Um, and it like, he, I don’t know what his holdup was. I honestly, I should have just led with the fact that like Brett liked it. Cause he takes your opinion much more seriously than mine.
[00:21:53] Brett: [00:21:53] Okay. That’s funny because there are a lot of times that L will take your opinion more seriously than mine. [00:22:00] Oh, Christina said it was good. Well then.
[00:22:05] Christina: [00:22:05] Yeah, that was, I mean, cause honestly I think that I should have just led him. I was like, Oh, well, no, you know, Brett likes this a lot. Then he would be like, Oh, I’ll watch it. And he finally did. And he was like, Oh yeah, this is really good. Sad news on that though. Olivia Wilde and Jason’s today Sudeikis apparently have
[00:22:18] Brett: [00:22:18] I saw that and I normally don’t care about that kind of thing, but I, I ha I had a, uh, an affection for Olivia Wilde. Uh, just her movie career has, she’s had a lot of movies that have, uh, been important to me. Um, and Jason, who Dick is. Primarily because of Ted lasso. So suddenly I cared about this, but it said, it said in whatever people magazine, I was reading that it was an amicable split and that their kids were coming first.
[00:22:46] And it seemed like they never actually got married. Did they?
[00:22:51] Christina: [00:22:51] no, no,
[00:22:51] Brett: [00:22:51] were like engaged for seven years or whatever.
[00:22:54] Christina: [00:22:54] yeah, they’ve been together almost a decade. And they were engaged for like seven years. Yeah. It seems like all things considered, [00:23:00] I don’t think there’s any drama with it. Uh, and they were even photographed like, In September, like together on the beach, like kind of frolicking in the ocean.
[00:23:08] And a couple of weeks ago, he was asked about her, about the movies that she’s directing and stuff. And he was really complimentary. And I think she was complimentary of him in a recent thing too. So there doesn’t seem to be any drama at all, which I love, but that almost makes me sadder because I really liked them together.
[00:23:27] Brett: [00:23:27] Yeah.
[00:23:28] Christina: [00:23:28] Like, I’m really glad that, that it’s not anything bad that I don’t have to be mad at either one of them. Cause I looked, I liked them both a lot. Um, uh, like you, I think, uh, her I’ve just, I followed her film career for a long time. Uh, I think, uh, Booksmart was one of the best films, you know, in the last few years.
[00:23:44] Uh, I’m really looking forward to the next thing she’s directing. Like I think that. She’s also a really good actress who she’s one of those actresses who, I don’t think she got enough roles, to be honest, just because she’s so pretty that it, like, I think it works against her in some ways. [00:24:00] Uh, but um, her directing career is great.
[00:24:03] She’s always, you know, I I’ve always liked her interviews. I did interview her one time and. I’m pretty sure. I, she I’m sure does not remember, but made a total ass of myself. Cause it was during South by Southwest and the publicist reached out to me at like 9:00 PM and was like, do you want to interview the cast of drinking buddies?
[00:24:23] And at this point I’d been drinking for several hours. And so I was like, sure. So I go and it’s like her and as Anna Kendrick, and it’s Ron Livingston and it’s another guy whose name I can’t remember. And I just kept saying to Anna Kendrick. She’s so pretty like that was basically
[00:24:40] Brett: [00:24:40] but that Anna Kendrick was so pretty
[00:24:42] Christina: [00:24:42] no, that
[00:24:43] Brett: [00:24:43] that, Oh,
[00:24:46] Christina: [00:24:46] like, like in a Kendrick’s very pretty
[00:24:48] Brett: [00:24:48] she is. I think she’s prettier than Olivia personally, but, but I
[00:24:53] Christina: [00:24:53] Oh, wow. Interesting. Okay. But, well, and Anna Kendrick, as I
[00:24:56] Brett: [00:24:56] not, let’s not spend the episode rating women.
[00:24:59] Christina: [00:24:59] We’re not, [00:25:00] we’re not, I’m just saying I think the
[00:25:01] Brett: [00:25:01] That was bad.
[00:25:02] Christina: [00:25:02] but I think, I think in a critic was one of those things where she was like, uh, she was being nice. I’m sure she was like, who is this drunk bitch? But she was just like, yeah, she is like, she was like, totally in agreement with me.
[00:25:10] She was nice about it. But yeah, that was, that was not my finest moment, but also don’t reach out to me at 9:00 PM for an interview at South by Southwest. Um,
[00:25:20] Brett: [00:25:20] Or, or much of anything.
[00:25:22] Christina: [00:25:22] I mean,
[00:25:22] Brett: [00:25:22] No one should be reaching out at 9:00 PM. That’s for booty calls. That’s how old I am. 9:00 PM is what other people think of is like midnight.
[00:25:32] Christina: [00:25:32] but yeah, no. So I hope everything is good with, with them and that there isn’t drama, but yeah, I was sad to see that, um,
[00:25:40] Brett: [00:25:40] we supposed to talk about Booksmart because I remember you mentioned it. And then I did the homework. I went and watched it, but I can’t remember if we ever talked about it.
[00:25:50] Christina: [00:25:50] I don’t think we ever did.
[00:25:51] Brett: [00:25:51] Oh, we should have, we should have talked about it closer to when I had watched it because my aforementioned memory problems have already, like, I remember liking it.
[00:25:59] I [00:26:00] remember a couple of scenes from it, but I can’t speak to it as a, as a whole anymore.
[00:26:05] Christina: [00:26:05] Yeah, no, I mean, I really, I mean it just for, for, uh, listeners, it’s, it’s kind of. Uh, usurps the trope of, you know, kind of the coming of age, you know, film, you know, that usually is about teenage boys, but it’s about teenage girls who a, their friendship is really great, but B you know, I don’t know. I think I thought it represented actual, you know, what it’s like to be a teenage girl and not a super popular teenage girl and like, uh, but also not like an unpopular, you know what I mean?
[00:26:31] Just like a normal girl, like really well, it was really funny.
[00:26:34] Brett: [00:26:34] And also it’s, it’s not about the nerve becoming the prom queen
[00:26:39] Christina: [00:26:39] Not at all, not at all, because like it understands, it reminded me in a lot of ways. It’s very different. And from a total sense, like completely different, but it reminded me a lot. And, and beanie Feldstein was, was in Ladybird as well.
[00:26:51] But it did remind me similarly of, of lady bird, even though they’re very different. Totally. Did you ever see that?
[00:26:56] Brett: [00:26:56] I did not.
[00:26:58] Christina: [00:26:58] Okay, lady bird is [00:27:00] excellent. Um, Greta Gerwig, uh, shisha, Ronan, uh, Timothy chalet, uh, and, uh, and BFL scene. That was like her first. Kind of breakout role. Um, and, uh, it’s, uh, it’s sort of autobiographical, I think about Greta Gerwig.
[00:27:15] Um, it resonated with me a lot because I’m basically the exact same age as the character and it took place in like 2002 and, um, which makes it period, but not, I mean, it’s really good. Um, uh, what’s her name? Uh, Allison Janney. Uh, no, not Allison Janney. Um, Yeah, I think it’s w it’s either Allison Janney. No, it was Laurie Metcalf when we met coffee plays.
[00:27:38] Uh, sure, sure. Ronan’s mom. It’s a really, it’s good. I would recommend watching that for sure.
[00:27:42] Brett: [00:27:42] I like how confidently you say Serratia? Look, I always questioned my pronunciation on that.
[00:27:49] Christina: [00:27:49] Oh, I do too, but I finally got it because she like, her career has just taken off. And so she’s been on TV so much and I would feel bad about saying it wrong. Cause I had [00:28:00] no idea how to say her name for like years.
[00:28:02] Brett: [00:28:02] Yeah, well, I sure on a, on a talk show explaining how to say her name and even after that, I was never sure I was getting it right.
[00:28:11] Christina: [00:28:11] Yeah. Yeah. It was probably the same thing we did. It was probably the Graham Norton show clip or something. But, um, anyway, uh, you wrote, you wanted to talk to me about Frazier.
[00:28:21] Brett: [00:28:21] Oh, well, so this all started with what kind of with you had suggested watching succession. And I found myself unable to care about all these rich people. And I did not give it too much of a chance. Uh, I watched it in the background while doing some freelance work and it just, it didn’t hook me. And I was thinking in my head, I just don’t care about rich people, but then so L to fall asleep for the last [00:29:00] few years, she just turns on Frasier.
[00:29:02] On on Hulu and falls asleep to it, which
[00:29:07] Christina: [00:29:07] It’s good. Fall asleep. Uh, TB.
[00:29:08] Brett: [00:29:08] well, and she has like the whole Siri’s memorized and she doesn’t need to see the screen. She just knows what’s happening. And so I decided, Hey, if you’re so into it still, let’s give it a shot. And now it’s become my. Favorite like last show of the evening to watch, you know, like watch one new good show and then, all right.
[00:29:33] And let’s have a Frasier and it’s become, it’s like for TV,
[00:29:37] Christina: [00:29:37] Yeah, no, I
[00:29:38] Brett: [00:29:38] so good. Like, I can’t believe how well it’s held up compared to some of the other sitcoms from its time. And even from after its time, even early 2000 sitcoms that haven’t held up nearly as well.
[00:29:52]Christina: [00:29:52] Yeah, this is okay. Yeah, grant loves it. And I have to be honest. Um, I’ve watched it, but I’ve never watched it [00:30:00] like seriously. And you’re, I think probably the third person that I’ve heard this from recently. So I’m going to have to go through and watch Frasier again and give it another shot. Um, I think that my, I don’t know.
[00:30:11] I think when I was a kid, when it came on and I always just kind of found it boring. Um,
[00:30:17] Brett: [00:30:17] Yeah. I could see that.
[00:30:19] Christina: [00:30:19] I, I think that now I would like it a lot more. And when I have watched episodes, I’ve enjoyed it. And so I think I could get sucked into it. Uh, it is interesting though, because I’ve heard the same thing from others that it’s held up really well, but I know what you mean about those, like the last show, just the comfort TV to watch at the end of the night, like for grant and I, for many, many years, because adult swim would play King of the Hill. Um, we would watch that. And the thing is, is that because when we used to live on the East coast, You know, they would have the episodes at like 10:00 PM, but then they would come back around again at like 1:00 AM. And because we would always be, you know, awake, you know, you could, you could catch it again.
[00:30:54] And then, and then it got later and later, so it got to the point where it was like, okay, well, the next one will be at 5:00 AM. Right. And [00:31:00] so if you’re up really late, then, then you’re, you’re still able to catch the King of the Hill. And, and that’s one of those where. Grant that’s that’s Grant’s favorite show.
[00:31:08] He introduced me to that when we first started dating and then I fell in love with it. It was another one of those shows that, I mean, it was still on technically when we got together, but it was on its last legs. And it was one of those that I’d never really watched. I’d watch it. I think the first couple of episodes and because I liked Mike judge from Beavis and Butthead, but I never really got into it.
[00:31:27] And then I did, and I was like, Oh, this is a great show. And it is like, it’s, it’s held up really well in terms of. Cartoons. And even just in terms of kind of like family, like sit-com types, like it’s actually held up really well. So I know what you mean. That’s one of those, one of my favorite shows ever it’s on my plaques, but it’s not on streaming anywhere is news radio.
[00:31:50] And that’s one that I think that would be like a good comfort show that I could like watch over over again.
[00:31:57] Brett: [00:31:57] All right. Well, if you, uh, if you give Frazier a [00:32:00] try, pay attention to the character Roz and how she owns her, her kind of, um, Pally, Amherst, uh, her, she, she. Sleeps with a lot of guys and she owns it completely and like, They make fun of her a little bit, but there’s not a lot of shame around it. It’s kind of, I would say for its time, pretty progressive, but also pay attention to Niles Frazier’s brother, because if you don’t specifically realize his physical comedy is so on point it’s it’s so good and so intrinsic to his character that you might not even notice, but watch his physical comedy.
[00:32:44] It’s hilarious.
[00:32:45]Christina: [00:32:45] Nice. Now I will definitely check that out. And I think David Hyde Pierce won a number of like Emmys and awards and stuff for that. So that makes sense. But yeah, I will definitely give it a shot now. And, uh, we can talk about it in the future, but actually I think this is a good segue because [00:33:00] speaking about things that kind of like get us into a good Headspace
[00:33:03] Brett: [00:33:03] Oh my God.
[00:33:03] Christina: [00:33:03] to sleep
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[00:34:18] I, uh, I use, uh, so it has two different, well, probably more than two, but it has two different sleep kind of features that I use. Uh, which I think is appropriate for overtired. it has these wind down like five minutes of mindfulness to end your day and prepare you for sleep. And they’re great, to do as you fall asleep, but they also have these like, uh, soundtracks.
[00:34:45]and like stories and reading that, uh, like I like to fall asleep to audio books, but then I spend a lot of time rewinding because I do fall asleep to them. Um, so these are more like, uh, it has the effect of an audio book with, uh, with nice, like [00:35:00] there’s one, that’s, uh, a rainy antique it’s rainy, antique something, but it’s basically, uh, like, uh, On evening street sound with, with light rain and then a soothing voice over the top of it.
[00:35:13] And I honestly don’t even know what the voice says cause I fall asleep so fast to it. Um, but they also have focused soundtracks for while you’re working. Have you used it?
[00:35:23] Christina: [00:35:23] I’ve used the app and it’s one of those things where I have a hard time getting into, I guess, a meditation’s place, even though I know that I should, because my mind is always running and like, literally it’s always running. And so I, um, have used it before and I was surprised because I was actually kind of skeptical.
[00:35:39] I was like, I don’t know if this is going to do anything. And it really did like kind of get me to that place where I could kind of block out my thoughts. And not have my mind running all the time. And I find that really helpful actually.
[00:35:50] Brett: [00:35:50] Yeah, totally. I mindfulness in general has been a, especially for someone with ADHD. Uh, it’s been a very good, uh, non [00:36:00] non-medication, uh, help for me, but, uh, you deserve to feel happier. And Headspace is meditation made simple. Go to headspace.com/overtired. That’s headspace.com/overtired. And you can get a free one month trial.
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[00:36:24] so you, you, uh, you were talking last week that you were going to get a PlayStation. How’s that gone?
[00:36:32] Christina: [00:36:32] Successful, except it’s not in my hand yet. And I just, as we were doing, our sponsor read was trying to buy another one. Uh, and I was unsuccessful. Uh, so. I was successfully able to get a PlayStation five, but it will not be here until next week, but I was able to successfully get two other PlayStation, five search to other people, and those have arrived to them.
[00:36:52] So I’m, I’m the last one to get it. I also. Because I had to get them from different places. So I got mine from Costco [00:37:00] and Simone’s came directly from Sony. So she got hers first and Kelly’s came from Anton line. And, um, I just tried to get one direct from Sony and it wasn’t taking my credit card. And then when I was trying to fiddle with that, it came up and gave me errors and it went out of stock.
[00:37:14] So I literally lost it by like half a second, which is frustrating, but that’s fine. Um, I, I don’t need this. I was just, I’m going to be honest. At this point, I was going to be a single, I was going to be a scalper. Um, or if I could have been convinced, otherwise I would have like shipped it to a friend who wanted one.
[00:37:31] So. They were, they’d been incredibly hard to get it’s it’s stupid. And I managed to get three of them on my birthday, which was last Thursday. I also got an Xbox series X, which I’ve been playing a little bit and it’s really good. And, um, but I’ll, I’ll apparently get my PlayStation next week. So we’ll be able to talk more about it then, but for me, the bigger thing, if I’m doing, if I can be totally candid and I know this is awful.
[00:37:56] But the thrill of just being able to successfully buy these impossible to [00:38:00] get consoles has been like a bigger high for me than playing the damn games.
[00:38:03] Brett: [00:38:03] So why, why are they so hard to find what’s so great about them?
[00:38:09] Christina: [00:38:09] There’s nothing that great about them. I think it’s just, they’re new. So they’re supply constraint for that because the factories aren’t able to make enough. And it actually is kind of dumb because there are very few games that are only available for the PlayStation right now. Like demon souls is basically, I think the only exclusive, I don’t think there are any exclusives for X-Box yet.
[00:38:30] Uh, some of the games that are out are upgraded. So if you had a previous generation Xbox, um, you know, uh, One X or one S or if you had a PlayStation four, some of those games will run better and have better graphics on the PlayStation five, but they’re still available at both consoles. Realistically.
[00:38:48] There’s not a reason to buy one of the new consoles right now, in my opinion, unless you’re in a situation where maybe it would be your first console, you’re trying to get, even then, honestly, [00:39:00] like, I think that for parents who are trying to get their kids, like a big Christmas gift, I get like the, the, the need, right?
[00:39:06] Cause you want to, you’re not going to buy them the game console, you know, in March when we’re games are out, you want to go ahead and get it now. And then over time, you know, more games will come out. But, but for people who can wait, I don’t think there’s really a reason to, to rush out and do it except for the FOMO.
[00:39:23] And, you know, quarantine has just. Exasperated that, um, add to that supply on all electronics are just bad right now. And I think partially some of that was due to pandemic back, uh, shortages. That’s basically, um, been fixed now, but there’s this one semiconductor factory, um, Taiwan, Taiwan, semiconductor, TSMC, who makes an in like.
[00:39:49] Ordinate amount of these devices. So they are making the chips, the Silicon for the PlayStation five and the Xbox one X or not one X series X, [00:40:00] God, the names are so terrible. Uh, good job Microsoft. And they’re making Apple, uh, apples, um, Apple, Silicon chips. And they’re making the chips in both the new Nvidia and the new AMD graphics cards.
[00:40:13] And I believe they’re also making the chips for the new Ryzen Zen three processors. So it’s one of these things where like this one Foundry is making like the proportion of Silicon for all these devices. And I don’t know how they’re going to keep up. So some of it is just, you know, one fab doing all the work.
[00:40:31] And I think the bigger thing though, is that everybody’s stuck at home and. Like gadgets are a new thing again, and it’s the holiday season. So it’s just like a perfect storm. And then for me, not only do I have the gadget lost, but like, if you tell me, Oh, it’s impossible to buy this thing, I’m going to be like, watch me.
[00:40:49] Uh, and because it becomes like a, because it becomes like a personal affront to me. I’m like, I refuse. So
[00:40:57]Brett: [00:40:57] I’m glad you’re on my side.
[00:40:58]Christina: [00:40:58] Totally. Uh, I, I [00:41:00] became good at this during, um, Earlier part of pandemic when, um, Nintendo switches were really hard to get and everybody wanted to play animal crossing. And I made friends with some teens who let me into a discord where somebody, somebody had a bot that follows certain links and would just ping stuff a bunch and would see, okay, when is it in stock?
[00:41:19] So it wasn’t like a full checkout bot, but it was just like kind of an in-stock bot and then would send notifications to the discord to let us know. And I was able to score. Like 10 and to no switches for people during, uh, like during a, you know, an April w like when there was like peak, no need to know switches available at all.
[00:41:38] And so, because of that, even though I don’t have the same, uh, you know, step up for, for the PlayStation, um, I’ve become good at knowing the places to check and like the stuff to keep an eye on. So that’s given me an advantage.
[00:41:51] Brett: [00:41:51] some mobile console just got discontinued that wasn’t the switch. Was it
[00:41:56] Christina: [00:41:56] no, I have no idea what it was.
[00:42:00] [00:42:00] Brett: [00:42:00] Yeah. See that that’s how much I, I don’t know. I like, I read the news, I read the news article, but I have no idea what anything is.
[00:42:07] Christina: [00:42:07] it might’ve been the, it might’ve been the 3d S they finally officially discontinued that. Um, but yeah. But yeah, I mean, I mean, it’s good. Like the, the consoles are good. It’s just, there’s really no games for them that are going want a hundred percent take advantage of the features. Like I, I, as an adult grown person don’t need it, but I’m dealing with pandemic by buying things and, and buying my way out of my feelings.
[00:42:31] Also on that note, we’re back under like house arrest, basically the state of Washington, there’s a state order that they’ve like, reimplemented quarantine. So.
[00:42:41]Brett: [00:42:41] yeah, I heard that whole coronavirus thing was getting out of hand.
[00:42:46] Christina: [00:42:46] Yeah, exactly. I mean, on the one hand, I’m really glad that the state is taking it seriously. And a friend of mine who works at Harbor view medical, which is one of Seattle’s big hospitals has, he’s just been telling me how it’s been nuts, but on the other hand, Like I’ve already been [00:43:00] staying inside a ton and have been going stir crazy and have become a Gore phobic because of my lack of going out.
[00:43:06] And now the enhanced measures are just gonna make it worse, but yeah, uh, cases are insane. And what are they like in, um, Minnesota?
[00:43:13] Brett: [00:43:13] um, not good. There was something I’m actually looking at the numbers right now, but even in my little town here, there was like a thousand new cases this week, which is nuts. Um, the weather channel made it harder than it used to be, to find the eight. They used to have like a top top of. Count of like local numbers?
[00:43:38] No, I can’t find it at all, but anyway, it’s horrible. And Minnesota was, was early on the train with the initial lockdown, but I think they’re super hesitant to try it again, which is like, things are getting bad and things are worse now than they were the first time they locked it down. So it’s only a matter of time.
[00:43:58] Like I’m trying to get [00:44:00] my family to cancel, um, our big Christmas get together. Cause that’s. 15 people coming from three different States. And I think Minnesota is current guidelines don’t even allow it to happen. And I might be willing to say, well, you can bend the rules, everyone. Like everyone’s getting sick.
[00:44:21] This is not the time, really to be messing around with that.
[00:44:24]Christina: [00:44:24] No, it’s not.
[00:44:25] Brett: [00:44:25] year.
[00:44:26] Christina: [00:44:26] Yeah. And this is kind of how I feel because I miss my parents terribly, even though like, I want to be able to argue politics with them in person. Right. Like I wanna, like, I refuse to do it. Um, I refuse to do it like over the phone when I can’t see them. And when it’ll be more than a year, since I’ve been able to see them in person, like I refuse to do that.
[00:44:45] And I, I just, I don’t know, it sucks, but I’m, I’m not going home. Like there’s no way, especially with how bad things are. Like, I think it’s irresponsible. My mom was telling me, so a friend of theirs, uh, he’s got diabetes and he has some other stuff. And I think he [00:45:00] might’ve even be like a, a cancer survivor.
[00:45:02] And he’s definitely immunocompromised his granddaughter who’s in college, like came to visit him. She, um, got tested or whatever, I guess next couple of days, you know, she was sick. She had it. And obviously he got it. He fortunately, he was, he was able to find out pretty quickly and was given the right drugs and was able to recover, but like, She could have killed her grandfather, like not even being hyperbolic.
[00:45:26] And I, I was just thinking about that. Like, because she came over on a Sunday wanting to, you know, hug them and have breakfast with them. And I’m like, what the hell is your problem? Like, you’re, you’re going to school as well as open your college student. Like, you feel like you’re invincible. Like I was telling my mom, cause my mom was sort of trying to not defend like the, the, the girl, but I guess not wanting to be as mean about it as I was.
[00:45:49] And I was just like, Absolutely not like, like, fuck that girl, because I can’t even imagine. Um, you know, if I were 19. Deciding to go visit my [00:46:00] grandparents then like, I can’t even imagine even like, there’s no way and it’s not like, Oh, you, you, you would have been just as selfish. No, I wouldn’t have been like, I, you know, me at that age would have never in a million years been like, yes, it’s a good idea.
[00:46:15] When this is happening for me to go visit my elderly, you know, immuno compromised grandfather. Like there’s no way in hell. Like you it’s like, especially back then. We didn’t even have FaceTime. Right. So back then, like, it was harder to have some sort of connection with people, but yeah, I just it’s, it’s shocking to me.
[00:46:36] And then what’s really scaring me. I’m curious your take on this. Not only like our, like the States, do you mean to be more afraid of like reenacting lockdowns and whatnot, but people are like, are going into, even as cases go up and deaths go up, like people are just more than ever, like just being convinced that it’s not real.
[00:46:55] Like, I read something the other day about a doctor who was [00:47:00] talking about how, you know, she has patients who some of their last words are like, this can’t be happening, who are still so much in denial, which just.
[00:47:09] Brett: [00:47:09] Yeah, well, I think, I think people’s brains broke. I think like, it just got to be like, when this first started, everyone acted like this was going to be over in a month. Like when those first lockdowns happen, everyone’s like, Oh, it’s for a couple of weeks. We’ll we’ll, we’ll ride it out. Everything will be fine.
[00:47:30] Now, seven months later, the fact that it’s only getting worse, I think breaks a lot of people’s brains and they’re just not, they don’t have the, the, the can do spirit to say, we’ll get through this. They just want to say we got through this. Nothing is real now.
[00:47:51]Christina: [00:47:51] Yeah, no, I can believe that. And I can like, and I can like even, um, you know, Agree, like with that, like I, cause I feel a certain amount where I look, I, I [00:48:00] totally can empathize, I guess, with the fact that it’s like, okay, we’ve done all this stuff. We’ve had our lives disrupted. We’ve given up a year. Like there’s even a part of me that was kind of mad.
[00:48:08] I was like, well, shit. If I knew this was just going to get worse, I should have just, you know, gone and visited my parents a couple of months ago. I should have just gotten on a plane then. Right. Like I should have just, you know, and like, Uh, so I, I, I understand that mindset. I understand like the anger and the frustration, but I mean, people are dying in front of you can’t deny that it’s not real.
[00:48:29] I mean, I think you can be angry about it and be frustrated. And just like you said, your brain can break, but I just really am scared by the fact that it’s becoming almost mainstream and an almost acceptable position to have. That it’s not really happening and that it’s not that bad like that. That’s the thing that scares me having said that I do feel like if we, if the vaccines, you know, can’t be really tested and if they can’t get them produced fast enough, I do think that we are very, very perilously close to it being at the point [00:49:00] where it won’t be so much, the people you’ll still have some idiots who are like this isn’t real, but you’ll have people who are like, yeah, this is real.
[00:49:06] And I don’t care. Who are at the point where they’re like, we’re, we’re, they’re like, yeah, I don’t actually care anymore. I, you know, like if I inadvertently kill someone or if I die myself, I will accept that risk because I can’t stay inside and be disrupted anymore.
[00:49:21] Brett: [00:49:21] Well, and we’ve, we’ve had those people, but
[00:49:23] Christina: [00:49:23] we have, but, but what I mean is I think it will become like a significant portion of people.
[00:49:28] Like my fear is that it will be people who are even so, so to speak on our side. You know, like people who are reasonable, who will be at the point where they’re like, I can’t do this.
[00:49:40] Brett: [00:49:40] it’s going to happen, but there are very promising vaccines right around the corner. Like next year we, we, we can see a light at the end of this tunnel. Uh, it, nothing is forever. That’s why I feel confident saying let’s skip this Christmas because there’s a very good chance by next Christmas.
[00:50:00] [00:50:00] This could be okay.
[00:50:02] Christina: [00:50:02] no, I agree with
[00:50:02] Brett: [00:50:02] I don’t want to rush things.
[00:50:04]Christina: [00:50:04] yeah, no, I’m I’m with you. Um, I don’t want to rush things either. I just I’m just concerned. Cause I just, I do feel like there is like a certain amount of. Um, people who are, it’s going to be like, okay, the longer this goes on, this is just going to be a problem. Um, and people are just gonna be like, I just don’t care.
[00:50:26] Like does not matter how long this is. Like, like what the risks are rather like this has been going on too long and I can’t do this
[00:50:33]Brett: [00:50:33] Yeah. Happy times. Happy, happy times, 20, 20. And everyone. Everyone is, everyone says fuck 2020. And I’m still, I’m still mad at 2016. So I just can’t wait to see what 20, 21 turns out like.
[00:50:50]Christina: [00:50:50] I mean, never say never knock on wood, but like, I don’t know if, I mean, I guess everything could always possibly be worse, but
[00:50:58] Brett: [00:50:58] Zombie apocalypse.
[00:51:00] [00:51:00] Christina: [00:51:00] yeah, it it’s. I mean, that would be basically the only thing I think that could be worse, right. Would be. Okay, well that happened. Um,
[00:51:10] Brett: [00:51:10] And then you’d have people picketing the zombie apocalypse saying it was a hoax
[00:51:14] Christina: [00:51:14] you totally would. You would have, I was going to say you would have people literally, as the zombies are like biting into them being like, damn, that was real, you
[00:51:23] Brett: [00:51:23] Some bees are socialists.
[00:51:26] Christina: [00:51:26] freight. Oh, that’s exactly what they’d be like. It’s Antifa, Antifa. The zombie is that’s exactly what, what happened? We watched the walking dead.
[00:51:32] That’s a bunch of rednecks, like yeah.
[00:51:36] Brett: [00:51:36] Oh, it’s have you D are you still watching the walking dead? I there’s a new season. I think. But I no longer have, uh, whatever AMC, no longer. It wasn’t part of the cable package that I pirate.
[00:51:53] Christina: [00:51:53] Right, right. Yeah. And they’re weird about how you can share access to stuff, but it eventually comes to Hulu [00:52:00] or Netflix or whatever, you know, I haven’t watched in years and I did like fear of the walking dead for awhile. I actually liked that one better. That one just started up again, but I haven’t watched that either.
[00:52:09] So it’s yeah.
[00:52:11] Brett: [00:52:11] I’ll I’ll admit like the last three seasons of the walking dead were more stressful than enjoyable to watch, but I still couldn’t stop going back. I was very into those characters, but having a couple years out now, since the last time I watched it, um, I’m hesitant to dive back into that world. It’s very stressful.
[00:52:34] Christina: [00:52:34] I was going to say it’s very stressful and it also, I think feels just much more
[00:52:38] Brett: [00:52:38] Little too real.
[00:52:40] Christina: [00:52:40] Well, this is the problem, right? Like I actually saw at the beginning of all this, I watched a contagion, uh, and, and, you know, which is actually a good movie and I hadn’t seen it before or if I had, but I forgotten about it.
[00:52:51] That was one of those that I’d kind of forgotten that I watched until I was like part way through it. And like, that was really good, but it was also one of those that is like, it was good morbid curiosity to watch at the [00:53:00] beginning of the whole stuff, but now I’d be like, Oh, I don’t know if I can deal with that right now.
[00:53:04] Right. And walking dead. I feel like part of me would kind of want to get back into it. And part of me is like, yeah, this is just too real and too many bad things are happening. And when the sky is orange and you know, like you have a, a, a fascist would be dictator, who’s still like, you know, fighting back against being kicked out of office and your people dying.
[00:53:28] And you have, you know, like, uh, Other, you know, like, uh, protests and violence in the streets and, and all the other shit. Like, I don’t know, man. I just, and I’m usually not the person who’s ever put off by any of that. Like, I’m usually like, yeah, the world is terrible and everything is awful. Let me watch something really depressing.
[00:53:47] That’s not going to make anything worse for me, but I’m in this weird, this pandemic is send this to me where I’m like, it’s fucked up. My says where I can’t even be. Negative the way that I used to be negative because I actually am like, this [00:54:00] is too much for me. Like, I can’t enjoy dark content and I love dark content.
[00:54:05] Like I love it. And I’m at the point where I’m like, all right, this is too much, even for me.
[00:54:09] Brett: [00:54:09] Eric go Frazier.
[00:54:11] Christina: [00:54:11] Exactly. So I’m going to, I’m going to pick that up.
[00:54:15] Brett: [00:54:15] Do I need to get back into Westworld?
[00:54:18]Christina: [00:54:18] I mean, I’m trying to remember now, this is one of the things, because that was, so that was actually, I think March. And I’m trying to remember. I remember I didn’t love the season and, but I don’t remember if I hated it.
[00:54:30] Brett: [00:54:30] Fair enough.
[00:54:31] Christina: [00:54:31] It didn’t, it didn’t stick out to me as the problem. Nothing has been as good as that first season though, is the real truth.
[00:54:36] Brett: [00:54:36] yeah. Okay. That, that was, that was really, my question is if I love the first season, will I love season two?
[00:54:45] Christina: [00:54:45] Oh no, it’s very different. And season three is even more different. So.
[00:54:48] Brett: [00:54:48] Oh, wait. Did I see? I think, yeah, I saw the first two. I haven’t seen season three.
[00:54:52] Christina: [00:54:52] okay. So yeah. So season three, I think it’s better than season two, but it’s still not season one is I believe how that happened. [00:55:00] Oh, and just a follow up before we finish. I don’t know if you saw this, but a get hub reinstated, a YouTube, um, DL.
[00:55:07] Brett: [00:55:07] I did not see that.
[00:55:09] Christina: [00:55:09] Yeah, they not only did they reinstate it, but they like wrote a whole blog post about how basically calling the RIA to the carpet without saying so explicitly talking about how they will have a different process for DMC downs that were done under the same rule. That the RIA use that we’re meaning that there’ll be an actual panel, that people will be able to appeal that even if something is taken down projects, we’ll be able to export their issues and, and other stuff, uh, as well as having a million dollar legal fund for, uh, projects and developers who might be caught up in that sort of stuff.
[00:55:46] So they completely, you know, brought it back and, and they cited a, a letter that. The eff who apparently has been acting on behalf of the YouTube DL, um, uh, maintainers, uh, sent basically [00:56:00] kind of arguing their case. And I believe that they used the effs letter as like their legal cover for why they’re like, they feel comfortable reinstating the repository and not making any other changes.
[00:56:11] So it’s, um, It’s it’s pretty good. I think the only thing that’s happened is that some of those links to some of those tests were removed. Um, like, you know, some of those, you know, that music videos or whatever were removed from that one testing
[00:56:25] Brett: [00:56:25] sure. Yeah.
[00:56:26] Christina: [00:56:26] um, but, but even at one point somebody had forked it and had also removed some sort of, uh, you know, key from Google to, to be able to log in and access stuff.
[00:56:38] That commit was reverted, meaning they were like, no, you don’t have to remove that. Just remove the links to, you know, the, the music videos, but the key and the other stuff, like based on the eff, you know, appraisal of the situation, they were like, we don’t think this violates this specific section and that this was, you know, bullying and whatnot.
[00:56:57] So it was actually kind of interesting that, [00:57:00] uh, not only did they go back, but like they went back hard. Like they were like, Nope. We’re not going to do this. And we’re going to like triple down basically on fighting against this in the future, which, um, well done GitHub.
[00:57:14] Brett: [00:57:14] Yeah, that’s awesome.
[00:57:16] Christina: [00:57:16] Yeah.
[00:57:17] Brett: [00:57:17] Ha happy news to, to head into 2021 with
[00:57:21] Christina: [00:57:21] I was going to say I was like one of the few good, good
[00:57:23] Brett: [00:57:23] things are looking up.
[00:57:25]Christina: [00:57:25] I mean, so this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this,
[00:57:28] Brett: [00:57:28] Yeah. All right. Well, I guess sleep well.
[00:57:35] Christina: [00:57:35] Thank you. Thank you, you too. And, um, I will check out Frazier and you will maybe check out Westworld at some point.
[00:57:43] Brett: [00:57:43] out. Frazier makes it sound like it’s something new.
[00:57:46] Christina: [00:57:46] Well, I mean, it’s been a while since I’ve watched it, uh, and I’d never seen the whole series, so I, I we’ll see, we’ll get into that. But what I was going to say though, is I, I respect it that you weren’t able to get into succession, but I would say if at some point in the [00:58:00] future, if you’re just bored and you’re just looking, you can be more of mind of that.
[00:58:04] I would try it again,
[00:58:06] Brett: [00:58:06] I, I, I will give it a second. I will, I will, I will watch more than two episodes. And before I decide.
[00:58:12] Christina: [00:58:12] Yeah. Cause, um, the second season especially is really good, but the more it goes on, like some of the characters, again, like you, you’re really not going to root for anyone. Uh, but there’s a certain joy in that, but I’d also, if you don’t get into it, that isn’t interesting thing. And maybe. I don’t know, there’s a lot of stuff in it that is very much, uh, real and in some ways, actually a sort of like PTSD inducing for, for media people.
[00:58:38] But I would be interested in knowing like if maybe that just doesn’t translate to regular people as much, but, um, it’s, uh, I would be interested at some point if you watch like more than two episodes and like kind of, you know, get into it again, just cause I don’t know, there is something nice about just.
[00:58:55] Objectively awful people and just sort of watching [00:59:00] them rebel and their awfulness. I don’t know.
[00:59:02] Brett: [00:59:02] okay. Duly noted.
[00:59:05]Christina: [00:59:05] all right. All right. Well, uh, we’ll get some sleep, Brett.
[00:59:08] Brett: [00:59:08] Get some sleep, Christina.