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[00:00:00] Intro: Tired. So tired, Overtired.

[00:00:04] Christina: Hello, you are listening to Overtired, a podcast with, uh, me. I’m Christina Warren, and I’m joined by my great friends, Brett Terpstra and Jeff Severns Guntzel, and, um, I’m back. I, I was, I was in Los Angeles and then Sandy, Utah. So, um, I’m, I’m back and I’m glad to be

[00:00:25] Jeffrey: Sandy, Utah.

[00:00:30] Christina: It

[00:00:31] Brett: Who doesn’t love you?

[00:00:33] Christina: I mean, look, it is beautiful. Like even the airport, which is, you know, uh, recently been, been like, basically they raised it and, and, um, it looks great. Like you see the mountains and it’s a beautiful place. But the problem with going to a conference in Sandy is there’s like nothing out there.

[00:00:48] Christina: It’s, it’s just like Baron like,

[00:00:51] Brett: that actually the name of a city? I just thought you meant Sandy, like Utah

[00:00:55] Christina: no. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Sorry, sorry. No, no. To be clear, that, [00:01:00] that that was not an adjective, that was actually the name of, of, of the, of the town I was in. Yeah.

[00:01:07] Brett: Sandy, Utah.

[00:01:08] Jeffrey: San

[00:01:09] Brett: What’s the big mountain bike destination in Utah? There’s like a national

[00:01:14] Jeffrey: not Moab, moabs, where the, that’s where the Jeeps

[00:01:17] Brett: climbing. Climbing. It’s the climbing, the big climbing and, and mountain biking. Destina, Moab. Yeah. I have friends who used to make, uh, regular pilgrimages to Moab. I think that’s where the big swing is that you can like swing across like the desert

[00:01:34] Brett: It’s

[00:01:34] Brett: huge. It’s

[00:01:35] Christina: I mean that Okay. That

[00:01:36] Brett: 80 feet.

[00:01:37] Christina: I mean, that, that does actually sound fun. Um, I mean, look, it’s beautiful. Uh, and, and if I’d been there for like, to go skiing or something, then that, that might maybe would’ve been different. I was there for Dev Day Salt Lake City, uh, which again took place in Sandy. Um, and, uh, I think is because it was close to where some businesses were.

[00:01:55] Christina: But, um, my only other experience with Utah has been in Park [00:02:00] City, uh, for Sundance. And so this was not Sundance, let’s just say that.

[00:02:05] Brett: Sure. Yeah. When I was a Mormon. kidding.

[00:02:11] Jeffrey: It sounds like the, the spoken beginning of a song when I was a Mormon

[00:02:19] Old People are Touring!

[00:02:19] Brett: previous Swiss career as an architect, um, man ministry is touring again to Duran. Duran is touring again. Uh, the Cure is touring again. Skinny Puppy is touring again. Like all

[00:02:33] Brett: the

[00:02:34] Christina: Taylor Swift is touring.

[00:02:36] Jeffrey: Taylor Swift is touring

[00:02:38] Brett: Like Taylor Swift is at least more recent, like skinny puppy touring. That’s kinda like, whoa.

[00:02:44] Brett: Like that is. That is so, like my childhood is, is back. Like I could get tickets for basically the entire lineup of like 1995 alternative music right now.

[00:02:59] Jeffrey: know what’s [00:03:00] still one of the most bizarre collaborations of all time is, uh, Al Jorgenson from Ministry, who is a, he looks so awful right

[00:03:08] Brett: Yeah.

[00:03:08] Brett: He,

[00:03:09] Jeffrey: and, is a notorious sort of like junky, like forever guy, uh, and an asshole. And he had a side project for one album with Ian Mackay from Fugazi, the

[00:03:20] Brett: what was that? Which one was that?

[00:03:21] Jeffrey: uh, I can’t remember the name, but they did it

[00:03:26] Brett: he had so many side projects. Pig face being the most notable one, but I, yeah, I would, I would love to hear what he did with Ian McKay. That would be

[00:03:34] Jeffrey: It’s not that good. It’s not that good. I saw ministry in 1992. It was awesome, but

[00:03:42] Brett: Uh, the Mind is a terrible thing to taste that.

[00:03:46] Jeffrey: Uh, no, it was the, um, the one after that, uh, the, the, what is it? Jesus Hot

[00:03:52] Brett: Jesus built my heart Rod.

[00:03:54] Jeffrey: Yeah. And I remember when I, it was Lollapalooza, the second Lollapalooza, and it was [00:04:00] ministry and all their like, you know, like blinding flashing lights and dark colors kind of vibe. And then Eddie Vetter in a, I think a sheep’s head, a sheep’s head mask holding, uh, like a long stick with another, some kind of head on it.

[00:04:17] Jeffrey: It’s very strange.

[00:04:18] Brett: I went to, uh, I went, this is, this is very rapidly turned into a, a very organic conversation, but I went to, uh, an art opening at, it’s, it’s a local bar called Ed’s No Name Bar, which is no longer even owned by ed’s, but it’s just, he never felt like naming it. So it literally became no name. Like if you look it up on, on Google, it’ll be the no name

[00:04:45] Jeffrey: Yeah, but putting Eds in there

[00:04:47] Brett: Right. Kind of. Yeah. Kind of. Right. Um, but it became this real like arts hotspot. Like they always have like, uh, some local artists, like all around the second room [00:05:00] and it’s, it’s the crunchy hangout. It’s where all the granola people go to drink and, uh, they have live music, like seems like four, four nights a week.

[00:05:10] Brett: They have live music, um, on a shitty little stage with horrible acoustics. But, um, but I went to an art opening there that was a women and non-binary art show, and it was like ages maybe 15 to 70, like just artists from all walks of life. And there was this weird theme of goat horns. Most of the subjects of the paintings were female, but they had goat horns, which is obviously like a masculine, as far as biology goes.

[00:05:47] Brett: It’s a masculine thing, but it also has like pagan origins. So we had these long conversations about what does it mean that all of these separate artists were drawn toward the idea of goat horns in [00:06:00] their,

[00:06:00] Brett: in

[00:06:00] Jeffrey: wasn’t the official theme. It

[00:06:01] Brett: No, it just happened.

[00:06:03] Brett: It was just

[00:06:03] Jeffrey: like some sort of satanist problem in Winona?

[00:06:06] Brett: Yeah. Satanic panic all over again.

[00:06:08] Jeffrey: Mm-hmm. sounds like it. Sounds like it. Yeah. Well, it’s all the people can tour and I’m still never gonna go to shows. Um,

[00:06:18] Brett: Right.

[00:06:19] Jeffrey: unfortunately.

[00:06:20] Christina: Yeah, I was, I’m trying to, they, they don’t have the, the, the tickets out yet. They’re just like, oh, like, notify me when they’re, when, when we know where we’re going. But, uh, dashboard confessional one of my favorite bands. I mean, it’s really one guy, the band is, is incidental and Counting Crows, genuinely. One of my favorite bands

[00:06:38] Jeffrey: Oh yeah,

[00:06:38] Brett: Excellent. Excellent.

[00:06:39] Christina: touring together.

[00:06:40] Christina: And, uh, and so, and, and they’re like two different generations. So that, that’ll be interesting. Um, but, but I’m a massive, massive, massive county Crows fan

[00:06:49] Brett: it’s, it’s kind of like you, uh, when you look at like, uh, differences in dating ages when you’re 20, dating a 15 year old is out of the question. [00:07:00] Uh, but when you are 70 dating a 65 year old, it doesn’t matter anymore. And I feel like dashboard confessional and counting crows have reached an age

[00:07:09] Christina: Oh, 100%.

[00:07:11] Brett: where they can kind of be considered generational at this point.

[00:07:15] Christina: No, no, I, I totally agree. Not only that though, but like, um, musically, like they’re both kind of like, you know, like songwriter, so songwriter driven, you know, like, like, you know, um, an anthem, you know, like, okay, dashboard confessional, arguably kind of like popularized emo, but like Counting Crows like, was like some like sad white man rock, a little bit Whale Rock, you know, in, in, in, in the, you know, August and everything after and whatnot, which I think is like a perfect album.

[00:07:41] Christina: Uh, no notes on that. Like, that’s just a fucking great album. Um, actually like that, like, uh, recovering the satellites and, um, what’s the, uh, the, the next one, the one, the one with, um, uh, colorblind and Mrs. Potters lullaby. And anyway, those three, al those three albums are like, [00:08:00] awesome. Um, and they’re really, really good live.

[00:08:03] Christina: So,

[00:08:04] Jeffrey: I was, I was not a fan of either of those bands, but my friends who were fans, especially of Counting Crows, have seen them recently and said it was just fantastic.

[00:08:11] Christina: Yeah. Yeah. Um, he, he is like, I remember, and this was like 10 years ago, he somehow was like on the cover of like a a r P magazine, and I was like,

[00:08:22] Jeffrey: Great fucking publicist,

[00:08:24] Christina: Totally.

[00:08:26] Jeffrey: I the good news. I got you a cover

[00:08:28] Brett: It’s kind of like counting Crows is kind of like Dave Grohl for me and like the Foo Fighters. Like, I don’t, I don’t care about the music. Uh, but every time I read a really in-depth music review, um, like Dave Grohl grew on me just because of his, like, just being a fucking awesome guy, right? Uh, count Crows grew on me because I would read, uh, music reviews from people that I respected that just talked about how the depth of like the counting [00:09:00] Crows musical discography and, and, and how great the songwriting was.

[00:09:06] Brett: And I’ve heard some songs and I’ve thought, yeah, it’s okay. It’s okay. But, but I have a lot of respect for the Counting Crows just because they, they have impressed people that impressed me.

[00:09:19] Jeffrey: um, just, uh, my, my game today is gonna be bring everything back to Pearl Jam. Um, I remember I was at, I was at Jazz Fest in 1994 in New Orleans, and I was walking past a club where a really big show was happening and he, the singer of Counting Crows was standing in line with, um, Pearl Jam Sweat shorts.

[00:09:37] Christina: Nice.

[00:09:39] Jeffrey: I was like, oh, awesome.

[00:09:40] Jeffrey: Cool. By the way, pale Head, did you say Pale Head, but that’s what it was. Yeah.

[00:09:45] Brett: pig face, but pale head, I

[00:09:46] Jeffrey: Pale Head was Ian mackay Jorgenson. Sorry about that.

[00:09:49] Brett: And with the, with the guitarist pale head.

[00:09:52] Jeffrey: Yeah. No, that’s Buckethead. You’re thinking of

[00:09:53] Brett: Oh, I’m Buckethead,

[00:09:54] Jeffrey: I don’t think Buckethead anything to do with that. Buckethead is a whole nother story. [00:10:00] We’re talking about a man who joined Guns N Roses and still did his special thing of a guitar solo that involved beatboxing, really good robot dancing, incredible nunchuck work, and then back to guitar, but, and all with a bucket on his head.

[00:10:19] Jeffrey: Right. And a, and a mask. Like I could talk about buckethead all fucking day. Um, cuz Wow. But this is pale head anyway. Sorry,

[00:10:28] Brett: pale head. I think I always conflated the two pale pales and buckets.

[00:10:34] Jeffrey: Yeah. Who can blame you? Who can blame?

[00:10:36] Christina: I have no idea what any of this is.

[00:10:38] Jeffrey: God. Buckethead. I’ll send y’all a link and I’ll put it in the show notes, but it’s something to see. I’m telling you. This is a man who is a wizard guitar player. A Wizard Nunchuck Wheeler. A Wizard Beatboxer who only appears in public in a long white trench coat, a K F C bucket on his head, and a white mask, uh, just like a face mask with no [00:11:00] facial features on it.

[00:11:01] Jeffrey: Nobody’s ever, for the most part,

[00:11:03] Christina: so, he’s, so he’s cia basically

[00:11:05] Jeffrey: Yeah, he’s CIA basically. And for, until very recently, he was the guitarist of Guns N Roses. So next to all of that, was fucking Axl Rose. Like, it’s just like the most bizarre. It’s like I had this dream. It was a fucked up dream. This guy had a bucket and Axl was there.

[00:11:19] Christina: and that, that, no, that was real life. Also, a also Guns N Roses are torian again.

[00:11:22] Jeffrey: yes, they are.

[00:11:24] Brett: Are they really?

[00:11:25] Brett: Full original lineup.

[00:11:27] Jeffrey: reg. Mostly not

[00:11:29] Christina: I think not

[00:11:30] Jeffrey: I don’t think Izzy Stradling, well, I noticed Matt Swarms, not the drummer, the second drummer who I never liked, but

[00:11:36] Brett: Dizzy. Dizzy.

[00:11:37] Jeffrey: Izzy straddling Duff.

[00:11:39] Brett: bass. Yeah.

[00:11:41] Jeffrey: Yeah. And some guy Gibby or Gabby, I don’t

[00:11:43] Brett: Izzy. And Dizzy. And

[00:11:44] Jeffrey: Yeah. Truly. It’s just like a comic book anyway.

[00:11:49] Brett: Are they any good? I did not like Chinese Democracy.

[00:11:53] Christina: Well, nothing could be good after like that much buildup, but like

[00:11:57] Brett: After 10

[00:11:58] Jeffrey: And that [00:12:00] voice, that voice was not, that voice was not made to age. Did you see him at Lisa Marie Presley’s funeral?

[00:12:06] Christina: Yeah.

[00:12:07] Jeffrey: He played like, I think November rain on the

[00:12:09] Christina: played November rain on piano.

[00:12:11] Jeffrey: awful. It was like, at least Elvis at the end was still though he looked terrible, had the voice of a fucking angel. And, and to, to somehow put that man in front of Graceland. Wow. And he’s clearly gotten to the point where he’s not self-assessing, you know, he’s like, I’m a fucking rockstar. What?

[00:12:32] Brett: If he ever did, yeah.

[00:12:34] Christina: I, he’s like, I’m gonna do November rain.

[00:12:36] Jeffrey: Yeah. Alone.

[00:12:38] Christina: It’s like o o, okay. Like, that’s a really anthemic, like, beautiful song, but

[00:12:42] Jeffrey: Yes, it is.

[00:12:43] Christina: can, can you do it still? Like,

[00:12:45] Jeffrey: And he sounds like, you know, when you, when you step on a dog toy and then you let your f you let your foot up and it kind of inhales. That’s what his voice sounds like right now.

[00:12:53] Christina: Ugh.

[00:12:54] Brett: Ste. Stephanie Seymour has aged way better than Axl.

[00:12:57] Christina: Well, yeah, totally.

[00:12:58] Jeffrey: a strange.

[00:12:59] Christina: [00:13:00] great music video.

[00:13:01] Brett: It was.

[00:13:01] Jeffrey: man. You kidding me. Loved it. Loved it.

[00:13:04] Brett: And that guitar

[00:13:05] Christina: Oh yeah.

[00:13:06] Brett: November Rain?

[00:13:06] Christina: Yep. Which goes on and on, and that was such a long music video, but it was so good. Like M T V would aired, edited versions sometimes, but

[00:13:13] Jeffrey: Yeah, that’s right.

[00:13:14] Christina: when you could, when you could watch the whole thing, when they would put that on, like after 10:00 PM or whatever, you could watch the whole thing.

[00:13:20] Brett: Like the, the usual Illusion two version. Weren’t there two versions of November Rain between the user illusions,

[00:13:28] Jeffrey: Oh, I don’t think so.

[00:13:29] Brett: which, there was one song, there was a song

[00:13:32] Jeffrey: There was Civil War. There was Civil War That was really long on one

[00:13:35] Brett: on. No, but there was one that was on both albums with slightly different lyrics.

[00:13:41] Jeffrey: Hmm. I believe you and I, I’m kind of sad that I can’t participate even though I listen to

[00:13:47] Christina: Yeah. I was gonna say, I have no idea, because I really only knew. The stuff that was on M T V and I was really

[00:13:52] Brett: Okay.

[00:13:53] Christina: when you know, they were like at their peak

[00:13:56] Jeffrey: It’s that the thing, the thing , there’s a, a real [00:14:00] demarcation with that band and it’s when Axl started wearing like incredibly tight spandex, short shorts, it’s like, that’s when you, that’s when everything just got a little out of control. But anyway,

[00:14:13] Brett: Um, I’m, I’m looking this up. Disc one, oh, it was don’t cry, I think

[00:14:20] Jeffrey: Don’t you cry?

[00:14:22] Brett: No, wait. Oh, there, wait. The, the, the deluxe release had four discs.

[00:14:30] Jeffrey: That’s but that’s recent. That’s recent though.

[00:14:33] Christina: Yeah. The only band that was doing multiple disks in

[00:14:36] Brett: Yeah. No, it was, it was, it was, don’t cry on, on unusual illusion. Two, there was an alternate lyrics.

[00:14:42] Jeffrey: Okay. Okay.

[00:14:44] Christina: smashing pumpkins is also torn. Again, I will not see them. Because it’s not smashing Pumpkins, it’s Billy Corgan and whatever random people have agreed to continue to tour with him.

[00:14:54] Jeffrey: Yeah.

[00:14:55] Brett: see a good mashup of Smashing Pumpkins. Unplugged [00:15:00] with Dua Lipa.

[00:15:01] Christina: Oh, that I bet would be amazing.

[00:15:04] Brett: I’ll see if I can find that for the show notes.

[00:15:06] Christina: they did unplugged and they did unplug more than 20 years ago, cuz like he basically retired or said he was gonna retire in, in the band in, in 2000 or whatever. Um, cuz I went to one of the final shows and I remember he did like a VH1 storytellers. Um, that was really good.

[00:15:26] Christina: And, and, and that might be, I think that, I think it was that instead, but they might have had an unplugged, but it might have been the VH1 storytellers that, that they used for the mashup.

[00:15:33] Brett: the, the thing about Smashing Pumpkins is their songwriting in general. Par for the course at the time, but his recording methods like layering 15, 20, 30 guitar tracks on top of each other in creating like, like the, the Ramones, the, the rock and roll ar, the, uh, rock and Roll radio [00:16:00] era, like Wall of Sound.

[00:16:01] Brett: I can’t remember the producer’s name behind that,

[00:16:04] Jeffrey: Phil, uh, Phil

[00:16:05] Christina: full

[00:16:05] Brett: yeah. Yeah. So like this idea of the wall of sound. Sure, sure. . Yes. Um, but like, it came to this head kind of with Smashing Pumpkins, where they created this wall of guitar, like Billy Corrigan created this wall of guitar that you couldn’t even pick out.

[00:16:24] Brett: A guitar sound from, cuz it was so many layered tracks and that like listening to Siamese dreamed the album, like the recorded album is a totally different experience than seeing a live video because they were a studio band, in my opinion.

[00:16:40] Christina: No, they were, although I think that they did well at live stuff. Cause I have a, because they, that was my very first favorite band. And so I have a lot of like bootlegs and like live recordings and stuff that I collected over the years. But you’re right. And then I think, but the big thing obviously was melancholy and the infinite sadness when he is very, brings in the strings and, and, and the [00:17:00] orchestra and again, the layering and then just has so many hits off of that album, which was a double album in an era when that was a hard sell because you didn’t have streaming, you didn’t have, you know, other ways, like you had to buy the whole damn, like, two disk thing.

[00:17:16] Christina: Um, but, uh, but then, you know, it’s just the interpersonal stuff unfortunately kind of got in the way. And, and I, and I didn’t mind that the, um, like after Darcy left, I didn’t mind the album with, um, Melissa, um, uh, from whole,

[00:17:32] Christina: um, exactly off tomorrow. Um, and, and man, she has to be like, She has to be a saint cuz

[00:17:39] Jeffrey: she’s put up with some fucking

[00:17:41] Christina: that’s what I’m saying.

[00:17:42] Christina: She had to deal with Courtney love during like peak bad Courtney love period. And she was dealing with Billy Corgan during like peak bad Billy Corgan. Like, holy shit, Melissa, like you’re a, like, you deserve better , you know,

[00:17:57] Jeffrey: Yeah, yeah.

[00:17:58] Brett: How did this, [00:18:00] so, you know what wasn’t on our list of things to talk about today?

[00:18:03] Christina: was music.

[00:18:05] Brett: It was music in general, especially like nineties music. Uh, somehow we spent 20 minutes doing this. I, I can’t even remember how it started. Um, But that’s okay. That was, that was a fun four four. I’m gonna guess our target demo.

[00:18:22] Brett: That was a fun, little fun little walk

[00:18:25] Christina: I think so. I think that that was just like, that was a, that was also a very h d like thing to do. Like we just went on like a genuine, like h d tangent and we didn’t stop ourselves. I’m kind of, I’m kind of into that.

[00:18:35] Jeffrey: Yep.

[00:18:36] Brett: a, I went to a 70 year old trans woman’s poetry reading and, uh, she revealed, she had just been diagnosed with a D H D at like, the age of 60. And like, she had always been a poet. She was very creative, used to be a blues musician. Um, and, and just like all of my questions after, after the reading, you know, [00:19:00] like o open questions, all my questions were like, tell me about being diagnosed.

[00:19:06] Brett: At the age of 60. How did that, how did that change things? Did it change things at all? Did that like change your view? Did it change your poetry? Did it change anything? The basic answer was no. I had just, uh, learned to accommodate my brain at that point. Um, but anyway, sorry, that was an ADHD thing.

[00:19:28] Christina: no, no. Totally. Okay. Um,

[00:19:29] Christina: on

[00:19:30] Jeffrey: You’re like all of my questions.

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[00:19:32] Christina: was gonna say no. No. Um, uh, I, I was just gonna say, this is a great segue, uh, to talk about our sponsor, Zocdoc. Cuz if you’re looking for a diagnosis and you need to find a doctor, uh, I figured we could do our zoc read and then come back and do a mental health corner.

[00:19:46] Brett: Well done. Perfect

[00:19:48] Christina: All right?

[00:19:48] Brett: you.

[00:19:49] Christina: All right. So if you are looking for a doctor because you’re trying to find a cause for your symptoms, Maybe you think you have a d h D, you know, you’re having a hard time focusing. Um, [00:20:00] you, uh, find yourself, uh, kind of pull down rabbit holes. Uh, you might fidget a lot. There are a lot of, there are lot, lot, lot of symptoms.

[00:20:07] Christina: You know, you stumble down a TikTok rabbit hole full of questionable advice from so-called experts. And look, do not trust TikTok for health advice. I cannot say that enough times. Like, do not take medical advice from people on TikTok. That is how you get ants. That is also how like you potentially wind up in the emergency room.

[00:20:24] Christina: Um, there are better ways to get the answers that you want and the care that you deserve from trusted professionals and not random people on the internet. So Zocdoc helps you find expert doctors in medical professionals that specialize in the care you need and deliver the type of experience you want.

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[00:20:58] Christina: Uh, this is a thing I’m, [00:21:00] I’m, I’m, I’m going, dealing with right now, and you’re trying to hold it together, finding great care shouldn’t take up all of your energy, and that’s where Zoc Dot comes in. So using their free app that millions of users rely on, including myself, you can find the right doctor that meets your needs, fits your schedule, takes your insurance.

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[00:21:43] Podcast Swap: Mental Chillness

[00:21:43] Brett: Speaking of mental health. Thank you, Christina. That was a perfect, that was a perfect one. Take read. Um, uh, speaking of mental health though, we, we do have a promo swap, uh, where once again, uh, swapping with mental chillness, [00:22:00] uh, do you want to tell us about that?

[00:22:02] Jeffrey: Yeah, sure. Um, if you’re looking for more mental health podcasts, if you’re in the market, mental chillness is a safe space that heals with the power of laughter, as that sounds nice. It’s led by Khan and Jules, two people with mental illness that come together weekly with occasional guests to share their daily process of working towards mental chillness.

[00:22:26] Jeffrey: Coming from childhood environments that weren’t open about mental wellbeing and emotional self-regulation, Khan and Jewel are opening up the conversations of the everyday struggles of dealing with A D H D, depression and anxiety, epilepsy, and growing into adulthood. They share tips and tricks of emotional awareness from their personal experiences and how they hold themselves accountable through personal bs.

[00:22:51] Jeffrey: What does that mean?

[00:22:53] Brett: It means bullshit.

[00:22:54] Jeffrey: Personal bullshit. Hold themselves accountable through personal bullshit.

[00:22:59] Brett: Why? I think [00:23:00]

[00:23:00] Jeffrey: Check out the podcast. And the way they know how to do it best is with humor. You can keep up with them on any podcast platform and the YouTube channel. Mental chillness for full video contents, mental chillness, Just, I’m just trying to help our own listeners get chill.

[00:23:21] Brett: We’re also on YouTube, if that’s where you prefer to listen to podcast. Look up Overtired on YouTube. We even published some fun shorts.

[00:23:29] Jeffrey: Yep. And I’m auctioning mine. Ha

[00:23:34] Christina: But I’ll bump.

[00:23:37] Jeffrey: Okay. Hi everybody.

[00:23:38] Mental Health Corner

[00:23:38] Brett: I’m just doing feet picks. Should we do mental health Corner?

[00:23:42] Christina: should. Oh my God. Feet picks. Don’t do that. Don’t do that, Brett.

[00:23:45] Brett: I can’t, I have this weird thing on my heels

[00:23:48] Christina: Oh yeah,

[00:23:49] Brett: I think, that I think is like fungal, but they’re like armored. I have like callouses that in case my, and I do not walk around enough to deserve callouses [00:24:00] like that something is

[00:24:01] Jeffrey: What about, do

[00:24:02] Brett: I cannot show this to anyone other than a skin doctor.

[00:24:05] Jeffrey: or a Pedicurist

[00:24:08] Christina: No, they are so judgmental and mean.

[00:24:11] Brett: went,

[00:24:12] Jeffrey: haven’t had that experience yet, but that’s, I’ve only had a couple,

[00:24:15] Brett: we have, we have a, uh, a technical college in town that has a cosmetology school and you can for like five bucks, go get

[00:24:25] Brett: a

[00:24:25] Jeffrey: student anything.

[00:24:27] Brett: and I went, I went, my mom convinced me. She’s like, let’s go get a pedicure. And I’m like, fine, whatever. So I go and they do a chemical bath on my feet and they scrub them, they scrub them clean, which is, it’s nice.

[00:24:42] Brett: My feet are soft. They put a fucking clear coat on my toenails, which I hated. Um,

[00:24:47] Jeffrey: You could say no to the clear

[00:24:48] Brett: I, I didn’t know. I didn’t, I didn’t know what they meant when they said, do you want a clear coat on your toenails? I’m like that, sure.

[00:24:55] Jeffrey: just learning. Yeah.

[00:24:57] Brett: but the chemical bath left a [00:25:00] circle, a dry, a spot, a circle of dry skin on the top of my foot.

[00:25:05] Brett: That lasted for two

[00:25:07] Jeffrey: Jesus. Two years.

[00:25:09] Brett: Two years. I had this

[00:25:11] Jeffrey: Wait, this was at the school.

[00:25:14] Brett: I mean, I wasn’t at the school for two years, but yeah. This

[00:25:16] Brett: happened

[00:25:17] Jeffrey: saying this was the student pedicurist. Uh, no way, man. I was getting, I was getting a, when I lived in New York, I, I got a, um, root canal from a student dentist

[00:25:29] Christina: Oh

[00:25:30] Jeffrey: and at, at Columbia School of Dentist Gym, like, oh, it’s fucking Columbia. Maybe the students are just a little better, you know what happened?

[00:25:36] Jeffrey: So he is, he, this was back in the day where, you know how now they give you like wraparound sunglasses, like you’re fucking barbecuing. Um, and so this was before that. This was when they wore wraparound sunglasses. Um, and, and he was wearing wraparound sunglasses for some reason, and he was doing the filing in my root with the tiny, tiny file, and then he stopped for a minute.

[00:25:57] Jeffrey: And he’s looking and he’s looking, and I, I [00:26:00] motioned for him to take the cotton and shit outta my mouth. And I said, what’s up ? And he goes, I just broke the file off in your route. And so he had to get his, he had to get his, uh, you know,

[00:26:12] Christina: He had to get his boss.

[00:26:14] Jeffrey: or whatever. And in the end of the day,

[00:26:16] Christina: real dentist.

[00:26:17] Jeffrey: yeah, all they could do was Intuit in there.

[00:26:19] Jeffrey: Like, it’s in there. It’s fucking in there. And they were, I was like, could this be a problem someday? They’re like, maybe. I’m like, okay, thanks. I was done with student shit at that point, but he said this look on his face. And I’m like, okay, before you do anything else, you’re gonna tell me why you look like that right now.

[00:26:35] Brett: so would you leave your body to science knowing that it would be students that were

[00:26:39] Jeffrey: I can’t stand the idea leaving my body to science. I had a, I had a cousin who was in medical school and he once, he would sometimes randomly send me pictures of corpse feet while I was in meetings with my phone up. And I was so disturbed by his decision to do that, you know, and I hated, I just felt so [00:27:00] disrespectful, right?

[00:27:00] Jeffrey: Like, um, that I was like, man, I don’t know if I could leave my body to science. I don’t want someone just like toying around. But then again, I don’t know, I’m

[00:27:07] Brett: feel like, I feel like once we get.

[00:27:09] Christina: I was like, I’m gone. I don’t really care. I mean, my whole thing is like, are they actually gonna use it for anything interesting or is it just gonna be like,

[00:27:19] Jeffrey: I don’t want it to be like the lesson for the day, like, here’s

[00:27:22] Christina: that’s what I’m saying.

[00:27:23] Christina: Yeah.

[00:27:23] Jeffrey: Yeah.

[00:27:25] Brett: We should, uh, we should talk about green burial sometime, but first, mental health corner. You’ve all been waiting. It’s time. Now. We’re at 27 minutes in, uh, the mental health corner. Who wants to kick us off? And the answer could be me, but I’ll, I’ll let you guys decide.

[00:27:45] Christina: You go.

[00:27:46] Jeffrey: Yeah, go ahead.

[00:27:47] Brett: Okay, so I’m in this weird fucking cycle.

[00:27:50] Brett: Um, like anyone who’s listening to this show knows that I have like bout to mania that lasts three to five days, followed by a couple weeks of [00:28:00] depression, usually followed by something that could maybe be considered stability, but still leans towards depression. Lately, I’ve been having one day manic cycles.

[00:28:11] Brett: Uh, like I’ll loose sleep for one night, or I’ll get up super early and I’ll just bl like blister through a bunch of code and create a bunch of stuff and be like firing on all cylinders. And then before the end of the day, I’ll feel it crash. And then for like three days I’ll, I won’t be able to wake up in the morning.

[00:28:31] Brett: I’ll just sleep constantly and then get to. What is actually a, a pretty decent stable, uh, not totally depressed, um, which will last a couple days and then boom, another like one day mania. And I don’t know what to make of this. Uh, the cyclo, emia, cyclo Mia is like the one explanation that I’ve been able to find, but I’ve not had a, a psychiatrist [00:29:00] appointment since this started happening.

[00:29:02] Brett: So I don’t have any like, uh, any medical advice on, on what’s going on, but it has been. It has been weird and oddly sustainable. Like, I can work with this, like, being productive every four days of having like a day where I do four days worth of shit. Uh, and then just kinda like sleep and then like have it come back instead of like that three, four weeks of like, not knowing if it’ll ever happen again.

[00:29:31] Brett: Just like having this rapid like turnaround. Um, I, it’s not ideal, like, uh, yeah, it’s, it’s not perfect. I have seriously been looking into microdosing

[00:29:49] Christina: Okay.

[00:29:49] Brett: and like the people that I know that are doing it have seen major improvements in. Depression. [00:30:00] And I think, and I, I, I’ve not, I’ve not run this by my psychiatrist yet, but I will before I do anything.

[00:30:07] Brett: Um, but I think that, uh, like shrooms, for example, could, could help with depression without affecting my other medication. Like, the reason I can’t take an antidepressant is because it can trigger mania. And because I’m bipolar, I can’t effectively treat depression, uh, without risking elevating my mood too far.

[00:30:33] Brett: Um, but I feel like, uh, the, the lesser studied realm of psychotropics. In treatment of depression, and maybe even like ketamine therapy or something. But I feel like a lot of those could have positive results without the usual, uh, downsides of antidepressants for me. So that’s a thing. And I will keep, I will [00:31:00] keep our listeners posted.

[00:31:01] Brett: Um, I, I’m going to do this very carefully and under the advice of medical professionals, but, uh, it is something I’m very curious about.

[00:31:12] Jeffrey: Yeah, it’s super interesting. I, I so curious about it, and I’m so curious about where, like legislation goes or the, you know, as we, because it’s now to the point where like, even like major mainstream podcasts are doing, like the Mind Bloom read, which is I, the ketamine thing is like little dicey through services like that, I think, but

[00:31:30] Brett: We have Keta, we have a, we have a Ketamine therapist in town

[00:31:33] Jeffrey: you do. Oh, that’s great.

[00:31:35] Christina: Yeah, I, I’m pretty sure we had them too. And we, we had Mind Blum as, as a sponsor a few times. We couldn’t, we couldn’t get them, neither of us could try it because of of, of legislation stuff. This is what I think it becomes really interesting in, you know, how these, how these drugs are like scheduled and, and how, how they’re classified because obviously people use them as street drugs and, and other things, but there are real medical use [00:32:00] cases and so it’s, it’s interesting to see.

[00:32:03] Christina: Um, I mean it’s dissimilar insofar as I, ironically, I feel like it’ll be easier to get legislation and, and make things like, um, you know, small amounts of psychedelics or ketamine

[00:32:14] Brett: SIL psilocybin and L S D, like all of the loss surrounding that were just like racist to the core.

[00:32:21] Christina: No,

[00:32:22] Brett: there was never

[00:32:23] Christina: Well, no, no.

[00:32:24] Brett: any medical danger to them.

[00:32:26] Christina: No, no, no. But, but, but I mean in terms of, well, but marijuana there were, there’s, there’s not either. And marijuana

[00:32:32] Brett: Again, again, racist to the

[00:32:34] Christina: Well, 100%. What I’m saying though is like, marijuana’s this weird thing where, you know, more and more states have it legalized, but it’s not a federal, it’s still illegal.

[00:32:42] Christina: Federally, I weirdly could see them making, you know, carve outs for ketamine and, and, and psilocybin and things like that, like at a federal level because the a m a might get involved in lobby and be like, oh, but this is this certain treatment thing. And marijuana, even though it’s a great pain treatment and [00:33:00] whatnot, doesn’t ha you know what I mean?

[00:33:01] Christina: Like, they, they’re not, they’re not using it as like a, as as a depression treatment. So, so, so,

[00:33:08] Brett: that? It doesn’t have clinical, clinical treatment value.

[00:33:11] Christina: right. And so, so it is this weird thing where like, that’s just strictly a recreational thing and you can argue, hey, so is alcohol, you know, like treated the same way. Um, But, but, but the federal government is still like, on their, their hands on it. But that’s what makes this so weird is like, okay, I can, you have like a, a ketamine like place in Winona.

[00:33:32] Christina: You’re like, okay, but, but what are, what are the laws here? Like, is this going to violate? Cuz one of the questions that, you know, this, and this is not, not even a, um, this isn’t even a fake thing, this is a real thing, is that like, if you’re trying to apply for like, a government job, for instance, and, and you admit that you’ve done drugs, even if it was under the guise of a doctor, like that could be completely disqualifying.

[00:33:56] Christina: So that opens up a lot of questions. Like, like you can’t get a job for [00:34:00] like the federal government if you’re like, yeah, I, I smoke weed or I, I take edibles even though it was Lela in my state.

[00:34:06] Brett: we have a PA locally who, I actually saw him when he was at the, uh, major, the hospital in town, um, as a psychiatrist, uh, as a, as a, as a pa. But, um, he left Winona Clinic and started a practice on his own that literally builds itself. I can’t remember the phrasing he uses, but he bill, he builds himself as a weed clinic.

[00:34:37] Brett: Like he uses pot to treat all kinds of psychiatric disorders. And he made the headlines of the newspaper as like, basically the guy you go to if you need a, a weed card. And it seems sketchy to me because I don’t see pop being a viable treatment for things like depression or anxiety for that [00:35:00] matter. Um, but that was what he built his practice on.

[00:35:04] Brett: I I see a lot more potential for ketamine.

[00:35:06] Jeffrey: Have you ever seen the p and peel sketch where, uh, he’s being walked

[00:35:11] Brett: Oh yeah,

[00:35:12] Christina: Yes.

[00:35:12] Jeffrey: you know, you just, he’ll, he’ll, he’ll give you cannabis for anything. And he goes in and the doctor’s like, what’s going on? He is like, AIDS

[00:35:18] Christina: Ha,

[00:35:20] Jeffrey: Rickets,

[00:35:22] Brett: I love

[00:35:23] Jeffrey: that. I’ll put a link for that. That is the best sketch.

[00:35:26] Christina: and Peele was like such a great show. Um,

[00:35:29] Brett: Maybe you have a backache. Nope.

[00:35:31] Jeffrey: Nope. Yeah, it’s just like, Uh, amazing. It’s a good bit.

[00:35:37] Brett: All right. All that’s my, that’s my mental health update.

[00:35:41] Jeffrey: All right, Christina, you wanna go. I

[00:35:43] Christina: sure thing. So, uh, I, my, my pen health is doing pretty good. I was just, I was out of town for a week, which, uh, in two different cities. So that is was the first time that I’ve been like, in a while that I’ve done kind of one of like a multi hop thing. So I went [00:36:00] to, um, la, well Pasadena more specifically for, for scale the Southern California Linux Expo, which was really, really fun.

[00:36:07] Christina: And it was really great to connect with people. I met some new friends and. Definitely it’s a nerd, uh, conference. I met Ken Thompson and, and, and, and, and like thanked him for everything he’s given us. He was like so humble and nice. Um, and uh, and then I was in, in Salt Lake City area, uh, Sandy for, for work, uh, which was, you know, I, I got to meet up with a friend who lives, um, in, uh, in the area.

[00:36:30] Christina: But you know that, that was not as spun as as scale, but no, my mental health is doing, is doing pretty well. Um, I was really, really tired and I took an edible on Thursday night and I slept for 13 hours and that was magical.

[00:36:48] Jeffrey: awesome.

[00:36:49] Christina: A plus. Cannot, cannot recommend enough. No. But I’ve also been talking to my doctor about potentially doing like ketamine and some of the other, like the.

[00:36:57] Brett: Yeah.

[00:36:57] Christina: It’s hard because he’s in another state [00:37:00] and, and he could find me someone who would do it, but like, I would need to have someone local to kind of do that. And I have a really hard time trusting and like even wanting to go through the process of like finding a new, or finding like a secondary shrink,

[00:37:13] Brett: Understood.

[00:37:13] Christina: which which is so funny.

[00:37:14] Christina: I have somebody mention to me like, you’re the only person I’ve ever here call, call it a shrink. And I’m like, yeah, maybe that’s an old, like throwaway, like

[00:37:22] Brett: a generational thing.

[00:37:23] Christina: It Well, it is and it’s not. I think I be, I’ve been going for so long that I’m just like, you know, this is what he is. But I’m also like, I’m not going to my therapist.

[00:37:31] Christina: I mean he is, but like, he’s my psychiatrist, so.

[00:37:35] Jeffrey: He’s the shrink.

[00:37:36] Christina: Yeah, exactly. Um, also, I don’t mind like poking fun of myself a little bit on that, but that did make me think. I was like, oh, okay.

[00:37:42] Brett: I think that’s the, the term shrink, like psychologists hate that

[00:37:46] Christina: Oh yeah.

[00:37:47] Brett: uh, in my experience, like the com head shrinker. Um, but for, for me, it’s a lighthearted way of saying that I need, uh, like therapy,

[00:37:58] Christina: That’s how I

[00:37:59] Brett: that [00:38:00] I need psychiatric, uh, guidance. And for me, like using, uh, in sixth grade, I, my grandfathers both died on the same day

[00:38:09] Brett: and

[00:38:09] Jeffrey: What, what? Where were they Both in Manona.

[00:38:11] Brett: No, no one was in Missouri, one was in my

[00:38:14] Brett: basement. Um, we, we had a, we had a walkout, we had a walkout home, uh, furnished home in our basement where

[00:38:21] Brett: my, where

[00:38:22] Jeffrey: down there.

[00:38:23] Brett: my maternal grandparents were living. And they both, both grandfathers, died on the same day. And I went to my sixth grade math teacher and I said, I gotta go.

[00:38:32] Brett: My grandpa kicked the bucket and he sent me to the principal’s office because I was so disrespectful about my grandparents' death. Like for me, that was how I was coping.

[00:38:45] Jeffrey: Wait, how old were you?

[00:38:46] Brett: uh, 12

[00:38:47] Jeffrey: Yeah.

[00:38:47] Brett: and that was, that was my form of coping, was to use a colloquial term to refer

[00:38:54] Jeffrey: distances you from the

[00:38:55] Brett: Yeah, exactly. And I feel like shrink is very much that, like we use [00:39:00] that almost defensively to say, yeah, I’m going to see my shrink.

[00:39:03] Brett: Instead of I’m going to see a licensed psychiatrist to talk about my mental illness. It’s shorthand.

[00:39:11] Jeffrey: So wait, hold on. How, I don’t mean to, uh, I don’t mean to make light of this, um, or minimize it, but how close in time did they die?

[00:39:19] Brett: About six hours.

[00:39:20] Jeffrey: Jesus Christ. That’s crazy. How did they, how did they each go?

[00:39:24] Brett: Uh, heart attack, both of them

[00:39:26] Christina: Oh my God.

[00:39:29] Brett: Yeah. Which is, which is why I am, which is why I go to the ER very quickly when I have any kind of heart related problems.

[00:39:38] Jeffrey: Yeah. Wow. Wow. Okay.

[00:39:41] Brett: Yeah. Sorry, Christina, I didn’t mean to hijack your mental

[00:39:44] Christina: No, no, that’s Tyler. That’s totally fine. I’m basically done now, but like, that’s, damn, that’s, that’s, um, that’s intense. Okay.

[00:39:52] Brett: was a, it was a fun summer.

[00:39:55] Jeffrey: Oof. Um,

[00:39:57] Brett: I, I say summer because it was towards the end of the school year, and [00:40:00] then we had to go to two funerals, like as the beginning of my summer break. We went to, we tra traveling around the country, going to funerals. It was fun.

[00:40:09] Jeffrey: My, um, my maternal grandfather died on my birthday and I was, and it was pre-cellphone and everything, and I was out that day. And when I got home that night on my voicemail was essentially like an audio diary of his day where my mom would call me and say, Hey, it’s not looking good. Then she’d call and say, Hey, he wants all the sisters and you know, he wants all the siblings here.

[00:40:30] Jeffrey: And, and then finally the call that saying that he was, he had passed and it was such a, it was such a intense way to experience the news of his death. Cuz it really, it really unfolded, you

[00:40:40] Christina: Because you really, you, you hurt. You hurt. Yeah.

[00:40:42] Jeffrey: yeah, yeah.

[00:40:43] Christina: and like you weren’t able to like be there and you don’t know what’s gonna happen, you know, until you get to the final call.

[00:40:49] Jeffrey: And well, but here’s the thing. It went backwards cuz it’s like the most recent

[00:40:53] Christina: Oh, so, oh, right, right, right, right. It starts

[00:40:55] Jeffrey: so it was, it

[00:40:56] Christina: hear that and you’re going with it, and then you’re going backwards. oh,

[00:40:58] Christina: man. So it’s, it’s, it’s, oh, [00:41:00] wow.

[00:41:01] Jeffrey: Um. Anyway, uh, is that, is that you Christina? Should I go or do you

[00:41:06] Christina: Yeah. Go. Yeah, I’m good. I’m good.

[00:41:08] Jeffrey: I just have kind of a hack from my mental health check in. Um, I don’t mean to constantly equate mental health with medication, but because I’ve been in a period that I was warned would be long of kind of trying to find the right medication for bipolar. I, I have, uh, I’m in a situation now where I’m getting off of one medication and, and merging into another. And I’m also in a situation where like I, I have lost my ability to kind of remember when I started taking any particular drug or, you know, when I was taking certain drugs at the same time, whatever.

[00:41:44] Jeffrey: So I, um, . What I did was I in my, in my Google calendar, I just made a little like, um, a little calendar event at the top of a day where something needed to happen, either where I started something or decreased it or increased it or ended it right. And [00:42:00] um, and I gave it a hashtag, like hashtag meds in the notes.

[00:42:04] Jeffrey: And now on my fantastic, hell on my phone or on my calendar, I can just search hashtag meds and I get a really clear list of what’s coming up. So for me, for me, I have three or four, um, you know, this one goes down a little, this one goes up a little events over the next, um, two months. And I can now just like, and I’m constantly checking it.

[00:42:24] Jeffrey: I’m just, even though I kind of know what it is, I just get kind of like nervous I’m gonna miss it or whatever. And so I just do that search hashtag meds, and I get my list and it works on my phone, like I said, with fantastic. How

[00:42:34] Brett: That is so

[00:42:35] Brett: smart.

[00:42:35] Jeffrey: on my desktop, but it’s a huge help. And it’s also just important for me to know when I started meds at all because, uh, up until, um, like March of 20, February of 2020, I had never taken.

[00:42:46] Jeffrey: And I started then, and it kind of like to see how it kind of turns into two meds

[00:42:51] Brett: There, there are so many times that I’ll, I’ll be some, something will come up in history. Someone will say, well, you did this [00:43:00] thing at this time. Which med were you on? Or had had you? And I won’t remember. Like, I, I don’t, those changes happen and they seem important at the time, but the actual dates, the, the way it correlates with things that I might not immediately associate with them is, is always beyond me.

[00:43:19] Brett: So that is a really good hack to be able to just open up the calendar and say, oh yeah, here’s where, here’s where that med change and here’s here’s what it might have affected. In retrospect, I might be able to see that.

[00:43:31] Jeffrey: Well, and the, the other thing I’ve bet that’s a little harder is so if you get a, say you get a pill that’s 25 milligrams, but you take 75 milligrams, meaning three of those pills. Right. There’s not an easy way looking at my prescription history to know, um, when I went from one to two to three, I’m sure my prescriber knows, but, um, I was, I just went into my, um, email and I went into my messages and searched the name of that drug and because usually I was telling somebody that I was going up that [00:44:00] day or whatever.

[00:44:01] Jeffrey: So that was part of building that history too, cuz it’s like, . It’s like the future and the history are both important to me, and it just, I don’t know what it is. Like putting, being able to look at the kind of boundaries of things just helped me to feel a little less, sort of like, I’m swimming in mats, you know, it’s just like, oh yeah, I started this here because of this.

[00:44:19] Jeffrey: And, you know, so that was, that’s been really nice for me, um, because I’ve just, I, I’m not, I don’t love switching out meds. It’s not a, not a particularly nice experience. I mean, the other , the other thing I would just advise people on is that something that my wife and I have realized is like, oh, when I’m dropping an amount or adding an amount, I’m probably for a couple days gonna just be off.

[00:44:40] Jeffrey: And oftentimes that offness is like really irritable. Um, and knowing for both of us being able to be like, okay, got it. It’s on the calendar. This is happening right now. Let’s like, let’s remember, you know, um, so.

[00:44:55] Brett: Elle is very good about like, noting, like if I tell her, [00:45:00] uh, my, my psychiatrist says I’m gonna make this change and I’ll do make it at my next refill, she will make a note because she knows that like, my mood will shift, even though I don’t, I don’t make any special note of it. Even, even in my own head, I’m just like, okay, yeah, we’re gonna shift medication.

[00:45:18] Brett: Maybe eventually things will get better with whatever problem I’m having. Um, but she keeps very close track because it affects our relationship, it affects, uh, our interpersonal communication and to be able to say, yeah, obviously you just did, you know, you just made this change to the chemicals in your body.

[00:45:39] Brett: Yeah, that’s really helpful and, and again, like having it on a calendar, there are so many times that would’ve helped me.

[00:45:49] Jeffrey: Yeah. And I mean, the other thing too is just knowing, knowing yourself and, and really paying attention. Cause like for me, I know that the most common impact of a medication change is that like, not [00:46:00] only am I irritable, but I just find it completely impossible to be soft. Right? Like, I’m just like all hard

[00:46:06] Brett: because it takes, it takes energy to be truly gentle with people. Empathy takes a certain amount of energy, and when your energy is consumed with dealing with your own shit, like whatever happens in your brain when you make a medication change, you don’t have the energy to like accept other people’s input.

[00:46:26] Brett: To accept input and process it properly to have a soft response. And that can get, that can get real messy real fast.

[00:46:34] Chicago Dibs!

[00:46:34] Jeffrey: Yeah. Yeah, definitely. . Well, that’s my check in. Um, can I add something to that? That’s really quick. , that’s about irritability. So I had a really bad fall trying to get into my car today because we’re at that point in Minnesota winter where, um, everything outside of your car when you park is like, uh, just a slope of ice basically.

[00:46:55] Jeffrey: And so, uh, trying to get into our car in our little driveway, um, you have to like really brace [00:47:00] yourself and all this shit. And I was carrying a big box. I was carrying a coffee and I totally bailed and, and fell and I was so pissed off. But at the end of the day, we don’t really have room on our street for our car anymore because people are used to us.

[00:47:12] Jeffrey: Parking in our little teeny drive spot. Right. And I was reminded of, when I lived in Chicago, um, there was a sort of a rule or a kind of a phenomenon called dibs parking. Right? And, and basically what that means is, and what that meant is that if you had a parking space and it was winter, you’re like, the fuck if anybody’s gonna get this space?

[00:47:31] Jeffrey: First of all, you position yourself before the first big snowfall so that you have the good spot and then you hold it by putting things like chairs, or I had seen cribs or baby bouncers, or I saw a microwave once. Uh, I’ve seen, I’ve seen, I think I saw a dishwasher, um, that they would just slide out of the way.

[00:47:49] Jeffrey: And I am including in the show notes, an amazing photo essay of examples of this. But I wanna just say, Brett and I were talking about this before the show in Minnesota, we’ve gotten to that point where no one gives a shit about [00:48:00] anybody anymore. Right. You’re just like, you’re so tired of dealing with

[00:48:02] Christina: It’s just so cold and like, just

[00:48:04] Jeffrey: Yeah.

[00:48:04] Jeffrey: And you’re snow and slipping. And, um, I had this thing happen, the ultimate Chicago dibs experience when I was living in Chicago, in Humboldt Park. Um, and what happened was the person who had reserved a space was watching another person move the chair out of the way and take the spot, and they went out and stabbed the person. That person I think was okay, but I was like, I was like that. That is a rule you don’t fuck with

[00:48:38] Brett: This feeds into, this feeds into my mother’s belief that Chicago is a, a hellscape of, of crime and, and, um, she watches a lot of Fox news

[00:48:47] Jeffrey: Oh yeah, sure,

[00:48:49] Brett: and basically basically Chicago is on fire and everyone is stabbing everyone but

[00:48:54] Jeffrey: We were on a block that clearly contained a meaningful gang leader. And I’m pretty sure I knew him, but we [00:49:00] just didn’t talk about it cause he was right next to my house. But like, there was, there was a dude who was about, I mean he was big and strong. He was just a giant and he would walk up and down our street all summer long, um, uh, like on patrol.

[00:49:14] Jeffrey: And, and the guy next to me, uh, was I think maybe on house arrest , because he would never come out of the gate. So I would just sit on the stoop and we’d just bullshit. But like one night a guy went through that gate and I’m not , I’m not trying to support your mom’s belief cuz it’s bullshit. He, someone came through that, that gate and just shot up this guy’s picture window right under my window, , and then just like took off.

[00:49:37] Jeffrey: It was the crazy, another time a guy pissed the Latin King King’s logo in a snowbank, which I thought was the cool, coolest, most badass thing I ever saw besides the stabbing. Um, anyway, Chicago is incredible.

[00:49:48] Brett: I like, there’s one picture in this, in this link you had of, it’s like a chair and a lectern.

[00:49:54] Jeffrey: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

[00:49:57] Brett: Well, there’s one that’s a Bears [00:50:00] parking sign with an arrow

[00:50:03] Jeffrey: It was, it was nuts. It was nuts. Anyway, that’s what, that’s what I got.

[00:50:08] The MIghty Yeti

[00:50:08] Brett: the one add-on I have, we’re talking about death and the, a big, so I’m, I’m about to leave on a, a trip to Michigan, uh, which is, if I were, if I were, if someone said, you get a week off of work, where do you want to go? Uh, Michigan would. Way down on my list, but I’m going, cause it’s where Elle’s sister lives and, and her three kids.

[00:50:34] Brett: And we’re gonna have like a, it’s like a family vacation, I guess. Um, not, not something I’m super excited about, but we do get to stop in Chicago and Indian Indianapolis for, uh,

[00:50:47] Jeffrey: Two great cities.

[00:50:48] Brett: some fun dinners, some fun breakfast, some good overnight stays. Um, and we got a cool Airbnb for the week in Michigan. But anyway, the big concern [00:51:00] is my 19 year old cat could go at any time

[00:51:05] Jeffrey: oh, man.

[00:51:06] Brett: it, it would break my heart

[00:51:09] Jeffrey: Yeah.

[00:51:10] Brett: when I was out of town.

[00:51:13] Brett: If he had to go on his Yeah. Yeti, if he had to, if he had to go. And I wasn’t there like we are attached at the hip. If I’m around, he is with me. And, um, Like we’re, we have someone house sitting, uh, we’re not sure yet if she is going to be comfortable with like, all the medications he has to take with giving him intravenous, not intravenous, intramuscular fluids.

[00:51:38] Brett: Um, subdermal fluids, I guess would be

[00:51:41] Jeffrey: with a, with a needle.

[00:51:42] Brett: yeah. Um, yeah. And like, because he gets dehydrated. Um, but if you mix in, like we have this cat food we call kitty crack. Um, it’s not, it’s not healthy food, but he will always eat it. So he mix it in with like a bowl of [00:52:00] water and he’ll like slurp it down. Um, and maybe he can get away with that.

[00:52:05] Brett: But like, do I, do I, do I leave, uh, a cat with a, an expiration date with a stranger? Or do I send him to board at the vet where I know he’ll get like, the best possible. Medical care, uh, which would, it would honestly, it would cost about the same, uh, the, what we’re paying the house sitter. I could also pay the vet and we’d have to pay twice cause we have two animals.

[00:52:33] Brett: But, um, it, it’d be like 40, 40 bucks a day to, to board him at, at the vet. He, we’ve been going to forever and it’s just like I have all these contingency plans. Like if some, if I get a call, like I will, I will have someone drop me off at the airport in Detroit and I will just find like the fastest flight home so that I can be here to hold his hand.

[00:52:58] Brett: And it’s just this [00:53:00] weird situation

[00:53:00] Jeffrey: Does he get stressed if he’s bordered? Do you think?

[00:53:03] Brett: used to, he used to like any change of scenery, used to, he used to get crystals in his bladder, which would have to be expressed through his penis, which was a very painful prospect. And this is how I learned that Yeti will never hurt me, is he would hold my arm, he would wrap his paws around my arm while a vet squeezed a crystal, threw his dick, and he would yell and cry, but he would never extend his claws and he would never bite.

[00:53:35] Brett: He would just hold my arm until it was over, and then he would be fine.

[00:53:40] Jeffrey: wow.

[00:53:41] Brett: he is, he is like, honestly, like I, I know he’s my cat. I’m gonna say he is the best cat, but he, he is the best cat I have ever known. He is just gentle to the core, extremely empathetic. Um, he’s been an amazing partner and I don’t want him to die [00:54:00] without me.

[00:54:00] Christina: Totally. So, okay, so in that case, maybe being with the vet, like who do you think is gonna call you more reliably?

[00:54:08] Brett: I don’t know.

[00:54:10] Jeffrey: Well, that’s a good question.

[00:54:12] Brett: I, I think the vet would feel responsible enough to, or I think the vet would recognize a problem before a house center would, I think the vet would be more proactive in that regard because we’re basically, we’re gonna give the house sitter the best information we have, uh, and try to give her an i her an idea what to look out for.

[00:54:34] Brett: But she’s not trained. She doesn’t, and she doesn’t know Yeti the way I know Yeti. Like, like I can see discomfort in Yeti’s eyes. I know when he’s not. Okay. She’ll have no idea. Um, cuz cats hide, hide pain, right? Like, like they, they make it all very internal. And I have 20 years of. Knowing when Yeti is not [00:55:00] okay, and she’ll have no idea.

[00:55:01] Brett: So maybe, maybe the bet is, and he’s old enough to not give a fuck where he is these days. Like he, you can take him anywhere and he just, he’ll just sleep. Like, he’s like, all right, this is a comfy spot. I don’t care where I am anymore. Like, he used to freak out about leaving home, but I don’t, I think he would be okay.

[00:55:21] Brett: I think he would just sleep all day at the vet.

[00:55:23] Christina: Yeah. So I, I, I would say the vet and then I would like be very clear with the vet, be like, look, I wanna be here with him. So if you’re noticing things, don’t, don’t like, think that you’re putting me out or whatever, just call me because I will find a way back.

[00:55:37] Brett: I, I will fly home. Yes. Yeah. So anyway, that’s, I guess that’s actually part of my mental

[00:55:43] Christina: I was gonna say, this

[00:55:44] Jeffrey: Yeah. No kidding.

[00:55:45] Christina: that you’d be going through. Like this is, this is a lot, you know, I mean, and, and then like, and, and, and I’m so sorry that this is gonna be like hanging over you, like with this family stuff, like when you’re there, you’re not really going to be there.

[00:55:55] Christina: There’s gonna be a part of you that is always concerned about

[00:55:58] Brett: been, it’s been like that for a couple [00:56:00] years now. Like I’ve never, he’s old enough that anytime I leave for more than a few days, like there’s always the possibility that things go south while I’m gone. And it’s always, it always drags on my, my heartstrings to like, to like leave. And I, I can’t, I can’t just

[00:56:19] Brett: sit

[00:56:20] Christina: No, you can’t. You know, I mean, no, that, that’s, that’s like a difficult thing is, is especially if it’s been a couple of years, like, because then, um, then, then like, you know, you’ve had like the opportunity costs, you know what I mean? Like, you’re like, okay, well I stayed home for all this period of time and it was fine.

[00:56:34] Christina: Like, what did I give up? And now it’s like, okay, now it might actually be closer to time, but like I, I, you know, can’t,

[00:56:40] Brett: my,

[00:56:41] Christina: to be in stasis?

[00:56:42] Brett: my maternal grandmother had Parkinson’s and, uh, she, she was given like a year to live and, uh, she went into hospice care and. She lived for another 10 years

[00:56:58] Christina: Oh my god.

[00:56:59] Brett: [00:57:00] in hospice care for 10 years. And, uh, at, at, at most, for most of it, I was the only person left in town, uh, like my parents had had to move.

[00:57:11] Brett: And, uh, it was me living in Winona and visiting my grandmother. And it got to the point where it was like, she’s never gonna die.

[00:57:24] Jeffrey: Mm.

[00:57:24] Brett: and honestly, by the time we got the phone call by, I got the phone call like, your, your grandmother has passed. Uh, it was a relief.

[00:57:33] Christina: It had to be,

[00:57:34] Brett: she just kept and, and like, not in a, she could barely talk.

[00:57:39] Christina: well, this is what I’m saying, like, like it wasn’t living right. Like, like, like her, like her, her, her, her, her, her, you know, she was breathing

[00:57:46] Brett: was, yeah. Literally just breathing. She wasn’t mentally there. She, she couldn’t do anything physically by herself without help. Like she had to be moved. She had to be picked up, put it in the wheelchair, pushed to the table, fed [00:58:00] food, and then taken back to bed. And it was no way to live.

[00:58:03] Brett: I, it’s part of why my, um, my living will is very clear about if I am, if, if I can go, let me

[00:58:12] Christina: totally. You have a D N r? Um, yeah. Um, my, my grandmother and it wasn’t like that, but she, she was, it, you know, she, she was in, um, nursing home and she died and whatnot, but it was one of those things where she had a A A D N R and we were very grateful for that because when she went and we were there, um, like, you know, we, we’d said our goodbyes and whatnot, but she hadn’t been, she had had mental acuity in quite some time, um, uh, because she had Alzheimer’s or dementia or, you know, whatever.

[00:58:44] Christina: Um, but, but it was, it was one of those things where like, when you see that happen, like when you see like prolonged suffering, we were really glad that she had, you know, we had the, we had the advanced directive to, to not continue to keep her going because. God, that’s a nightmare to be, you know, [00:59:00] in hospice you think, which is supposed to be for, for end stages and then go another decade and then lose even more

[00:59:07] Brett: Yeah. I don’t, I don’t care how young you are right now, go out, uh, find whatever, whatever resources you need. A lawyer or the hospital can provide you with the forms. Uh, but have a living will have, have a get your d n R in order because shit can happen. And unless you wanna live as a vegetable and be a train on everybody, make, get that, get that in writing.

[00:59:36] Brett: Get that taken care of now while you’re young, while you still have the option. We should do a whole episode on euthanasia. I feel like that would be a real upper,

[00:59:46] Jeffrey: Yeah. Okay. That

[00:59:47] Christina: Yeah, I was gonna say now, now, now,

[00:59:49] Jeffrey: Tune in next week, everybody.

[00:59:50] Christina: next week when we, when we have a a, a live viewing of Million Dollar Baby, A group viewing. Yeah.

[00:59:57] Grapptitude

[00:59:57] Jeffrey: Hey, it’s gratitude [01:00:00] time

[01:00:00] Brett: Oh, shit. Yeah.

[01:00:02] Christina: Yeah, we didn’t talk about anything that we were going to talk about,

[01:00:04] Brett: We had, we, we hit nothing on our

[01:00:07] Christina: Zero.

[01:00:08] Jeffrey: I got, I got, I’ll take first gratitude. It’s not exactly an app, but, um, the New York Post has a, has a , has a page where you can just look at their covers and, and I’ve long

[01:00:22] Christina: Oh, I love it.

[01:00:23] Jeffrey: respected and ab horde their, um, their skills. And so I just wanna give you a few examples from recent covers.

[01:00:30] Jeffrey: Okay. For the, um, for the story about the spy balloon being shut down, headline Pop secret,

[01:00:38] Christina: Ha. Pop secret. I love it.

[01:00:40] Jeffrey: uh, for, um, Sam Bankman Fried, who we all remember is a very hairy crypto bro. Harry Plotter. Hmm. How about that?

[01:00:49] Christina: I love it.

[01:00:50] Jeffrey: With a, with another bit. They have a couple bullets. One is begs for bail because he’s a quote, depressed vegan,

[01:00:57] Brett: What was the, what was the Donald Trump [01:01:00] after the midterms one?

[01:01:01] Jeffrey: Oh, I don’t

[01:01:02] Brett: It was a hump. It was a Humpty reference.

[01:01:04] Jeffrey: was a good one. Here’s one that’s about the, uh, covid leaked from the Chinese lab. It had to be woo. Ugh. God. I got a couple more. Okay. Um, Baldwin, uh, this is the subhead. Baldwin was on cell phone during gun safety training, which by the way is awful. Headline Dolt 45. Uh, that one goes woo.

[01:01:25] Jeffrey: Uh, and what do I, last one is about the, uh, bailout of Silicon Valley Bank and its tech support and the s is a dollar sign. Anyway, you, they, it turns out they have their own little webpage just for their covers, cuz they, they know how good and horrible they are at that, uh, at that game. I am not in any way, shape or form, uh,

[01:01:48] Brett: Endorsing the post

[01:01:49] Jeffrey: or endorsing for the work of, of the New York Post, but I s I remain in, in disbelief.

[01:01:56] Jeffrey: Uh, so anyway, that’s

[01:01:57] Brett: It’s, it’s kinda like the Enquirer, like [01:02:00] you can really enjoy the cover of the Enquirer without

[01:02:03] Christina: I I’m, I’m gonna,

[01:02:05] Brett: the Enquirer.

[01:02:06] Christina: the post is better than the Inquirer. Like it’s a higher quality thing, but you’re not wrong. But the Post is just, they have the best headlines, and I love the war between the posts and the daily news. Like, like, they’re, like ongoing, like beef is one of the greatest things in media. Um, make sure you put that, that, that website,

[01:02:23] Christina: um, in, in, uh, in, in the links,

[01:02:27] Brett: what’s the uk, is it the Daily Caller? Is that the,

[01:02:30] Christina: well, the, the Daily Mail and it, the, the, the Daily

[01:02:32] Brett: Daily Mail. That’s The Daily Mail is what I’m thinking of. They do, they do the same kind of just fucking great headlines with just horrible, horrible takes on everything.

[01:02:43] Christina: Yeah. And, and, and the Daily Mail and, uh, the Post have like some sort of syndication thing because both of them will pay for the paparazzi shots. So, and then like the Daily Mail, what I love about them is they’ll do like this exhaustive like, description of every single photo that you see in like, the most, like, deranged way [01:03:00] in like, and in like insulting or in, in, or in some cases, like weirdly like complimentary method.

[01:03:05] Christina: And then they describe the clothing and the like, oh, you can buy this top just like this person that we’re shitting on. Um, it, it’s, it’s really, really fantastic. But no, but post headlines are the best. Uh, and, and look, page six has some good gossip sometimes. And, and I, and I, and, and I miss, I Ms. Keith Kelly’s media column because he was, uh, a great, he, he, he retired, uh, last year, but he always had like the dirt, so that’s a very good

[01:03:31] Jeffrey: Yeah.

[01:03:32] Christina: Um,

[01:03:33] Brett: guys, did you guys see Neela Patel’s, um, printer

[01:03:38] Christina: Yes. That was the best thing. That was the best thing I’ve read. I saw it. Oh, it’s so good. It’s perfect. It’s exactly what you would think. It’s that it, it, all it is is, yeah.

[01:03:47] Brett: hi. Hi. The headline, if I, um, this is from memory, but, uh, best Printer 2023, just by the Brother Laser printer that everybody has. It’s fine.

[01:03:58] Jeffrey: Yeah.[01:04:00]

[01:04:00] Christina: That’s exactly what it is. And, and it, and it’s so good. It was one of those things that I, that, uh, I saw and I was like, yep, this is accurate. And then it shows off all the different photos the

[01:04:08] Brett: follow the link for whatever, for whatever, for whatever we get the most affiliate profit from. That’s what the lingo before. Just click it.

[01:04:17] Christina: just click it. They’re like, this is the one you want. Like, I’ve had mine for forever. And then it has like photos of different, like Verge, you know, staffers. And it’s so funny because this is what I’ve been telling people for years. I’m like, just get a brother printer. Like get the all in one, get

[01:04:28] Christina: the other thing.

[01:04:29] Christina: It’s, it’s fine. It’ll last you forever. You just need to print shipping labels and occasional documents. You’re not caring about photos or anything else. Just get the brother printer. Like I, I, I made my dad get one of those and then he bought an HP anyway and I was pissed off. I was like, just use the brother.

[01:04:44] Christina: The brother is fine.

[01:04:46] Jeffrey: My, uh, my brother I, I believe is kicking up the air. It kicks up about every, um, three years cuz I’ve had it forever, which is optical photo conductor near end of life which I [01:05:00] think is just the drum. I can’t remember. It’s whatever holds the toner, but you just replace that every three years and you’re fine.

[01:05:05] Brett: just for clarity, the reason I got here was because Christina said that sometimes in the description they tell you where you can buy

[01:05:13] Brett: the clothing, and I was like, yeah, affiliate cash. And then that led me to Neely Patel’s. Okay. Just, just to just clarify the trade of thought.

[01:05:22] Christina: totally, totally. I, I, I didn’t know I was, I was like, if that was gonna be your gratitude, although it was like a great thing. I was, I was like, that’s a weird, I was like, that’s a weird gratitude thing. But

[01:05:30] Brett: my, my gratitude, I, I really thought we were gonna talk about AI this episode, just because it’s so prevalent

[01:05:37] Christina: yeah, we didn’t even get to talk about G P T four, but it’s okay.

[01:05:40] Brett: but, and, and we will get to it cuz it’s not going away. Um, my picks for the week are, uh, swift, g p t. We’ve talked about some Mac uh, clients for chat, G p T before, um, a newish one came out called Swift, G p t.

[01:05:59] Brett: It’s free. [01:06:00] It gives you, this is since the actual release of the api. Uh, so it’s no longer just a wrapper around the web interface and you get an actual, like iMessage chat interface to chat G P t. It’s really well done. Uh, for some reason it doesn’t have like sparkle updates yet. You have to download new versions.

[01:06:22] Brett: Uh, but Mac updater, we’ll let you know when there’s a new version. Um, and it is, it, you can, you can put in your own API key. Uh, so, and it will tell you it’ll track cost for you, uh, if you have your own API key in there. Um, and then the other one that is similar is, right ma, uh, which I discovered through Product Hunt.

[01:06:45] Brett: I, I tried it out, decided to pay for it. The developer was like, oh my God, thank you. How did you find out about this? And I explained to was from Product Con. Um, I don’t think he’s getting a ton of business, but he has written a [01:07:00] chat G P T interface that works with Mac OS accessibility. So you can just highlight some text, hit a shortcut key, and pop up a chat G P T interface that you can predefine prompts on.

[01:07:14] Brett: So you can have like an explain this prompt or a comment, this code prompt or like whatever prefix prompt you want, and it will insert the selected text into. what it sends to chat G b T, which makes it very seamless to like, if you wanna reply to an email, you like highlight the text that someone sent you, you bring it up, you hit reply positive or reply negative, and it will write your, your email response for you.

[01:07:44] Brett: And then you can, uh, click it and paste it into your email program. And it, it, because it’s a Mac os uh, accessibility application, it works in any app that has accessibility features. [01:08:00] Um, and, and it’s, I think it’s really well done. I think he deserves, uh, a little more traffic than he may be getting

[01:08:06] Christina: Fantastic. Fantastic. So my pick of the week, so this is something that I did yesterday, um, and, and I need to play around. Some of these a little bit more, um, I’ll have a couple things linked, but I’ve been playing around with, um, with, with, with Pam, um, modules, um, which is like Apple’s um, authentication system so that, you know, there’s a way where you can add like pseudo to with, with touch ID support to your terminal.

[01:08:31] Christina: There’s like a brew command that you can install and that’ll even like monitor whether the pam, um, uh, file has been updated or not. Um, but uh, I finally got app, my Apple Watch working on my, on my imax so that I could use that for, for, for pseudo. But, but I found out somebody was one of my followers on, on, um, Macon was like, I like that, but I can’t use both touch ID and Apple Watch at the same time.

[01:08:55] Christina: And so someone created a PAM module [01:09:00] that adds watch authentication in addition to touch id. So if you have both and, and, and like you wanna, for instance, use watch when your, uh, the lid on your, on your MacBook is closed, you can do that. So, um, So if you, you have a watch paired your Mac or fingerprints enrolled for unlocking, you can use the module to authenticate both of them.

[01:09:18] Christina: And so this is called, uh, pam underscore w t i d. And uh, it is, um, a patch on, um, an existing module, um, to, to be able to add support for both. Anyway, the, the, the GitHub, um, the guy goes through all the details of all the different things that he looked at. And how he ended up having to do what he did.

[01:09:41] Christina: There’s some, there’s a thing in the GitHub issue that it might have some issues on Ventura. I have not played with that aspect yet, but I feel like we could probably find a way to fix this. Um, but I’ll, I’ll have a couple of these pan modules in, uh, in, in, in the links. But the, this one, um, the, the W T I D that does [01:10:00] both is really good.

[01:10:00] Christina: That’s not the one I installed. I installed the original Apple Watch one, which, um, does work on, on, um, uh, apple silicon. But you need to, you need to update the make file, which, and, and, and the, the, the developer has been MIA on GitHub for over a year. So,

[01:10:18] Christina: So that one, somebody’s created a fork and like I could create a fork too.

[01:10:21] Christina: What I’m trying to see if I could do is if I can get this, this, this Pam W T I D thing working correctly, I’ll submit a pass to them of course, but I might just fork my own. I would love to like have it so that, um, do do the same thing that, um, uh, the, the version that is, uh, updates that’s installed and um, via home brew and they auto checks, um, with any update to, to automatically update like it’s just a bash script of the runs and will automatically update, uh, when you install new versions of, of, of Mac Os.

[01:10:50] Christina: I’ll, I’ll see if I can like basically hack together like a Frankenstein, uh, thing that we’ll do all of those things. So,

[01:10:56] Brett: Here’s some weirdness. I, I, I don’t [01:11:00] know if, if it’s related to my messing around. The PAM authentication system. But if I use pseudo in, I term it, any pseudo command will crash. I term immediately Pseudo, anything pseudo minus says pseudo any command immediate crash. And no. And I’ve sent the crash logs to them.

[01:11:27] Brett: I haven’t gotten a response. Uh, but if I do the same thing in terminal, no

[01:11:33] Christina: fine.

[01:11:33] Brett: It’s fine.

[01:11:34] Christina: Interesting. So what I would, what I would be curious about would be when the next, like when, when you have another Mac OS version, which will reset that entire directory, I would be curious if that fixes the problem. So like, before I would run one of those commands again, I, I would be curious if that fixes the problem.

[01:11:55] Brett: I have an, I have an update waiting for me. It’s a disappoint update [01:12:00] of Ventura, uh, which I don’t think we’ll reset it, but, but I also, like, I I, I removed all the PAN modules I had installed,

[01:12:09] Christina: Right. But,

[01:12:10] Brett: still

[01:12:11] Christina: and it still.

[01:12:11] Brett: be completely unrelated.

[01:12:13] Christina: It might be unrelated, but Yeah. But it is your pseudo file back to what it was originally.

[01:12:18] Brett: Yeah,

[01:12:19] Brett: yeah. Removed. Removed all references to any additional authentication methods. Uh, it, it’s still, I, I can’t explain it. I don’t know why that, I don’t know what happens when you create a, when you run a pseudo command that could possibly crash an app. Like I could see the, the command failing. I could see errors in the shell, but to crash the app, I don’t understand how that could happen.

[01:12:48] Christina: Yeah. That’s weird. I’m not sure either. Um, yeah, I don’t know. Um, that could be a lot of things that, oh, that is the one thing I will say. If you’re playing around with these things, make sure you back. [01:13:00] Your, uh, your, your pseudo file, because I did make a mistake, boy that I had like a wrong character or something in mine, and then all of a sudden, like pseudo was broken and I was able to just, uh, fuck with a permissions and, and finder of all places

[01:13:12] Brett: Yeah. Cuz you can’t edit your pseudo file without pseudo, it’s kind of a catch

[01:13:16] Brett: 22 there.

[01:13:18] Christina: Except if you go to go to folder and you go to find it and find her and then you like adjust, like you unlock it and then you, you know, adjust just, just the rewrite permissions or whatever. Like it’s, it’s you, you can do it. Um, I mean, I also could have start restarted in recovery mode, um, and had a route, but, but I was, I didn’t wanna like restart my computer.

[01:13:34] Christina: I was like, I actually still have five thou thousand tabs open. I’m doing other things. I don’t have time for this. Um, so I was able to get around it, but I was like, oh, okay. This is why the, the one that has the, the home brew auto update thing, this is why they do like a a, they make a a dot back of your, of your pseudo file.

[01:13:50] Christina: I was like, that’s smart. That’s what I should have done. Can’t say that I didn’t do this to myself, that I didn’t know what I was doing. But if you are gonna be playing around with these pan modules, Yeah, make sure you have [01:14:00] backups, um, because otherwise you could, yeah, then you can’t edit pseudo, uh, you know, you can’t use pseudo without pseudo and uh, and that’s not great.

[01:14:10] Christina: So, um, but, but it’s fun. And I do have to say like, so cuz I, so I have, um, two apple silicon machines. And I love them and they’re great, but my iMac is still really, really powerful. And I’ve got like the, the, the two screens. I mean, I, I also connect the, the, the, um, uh, studio display to my laptop sometimes.

[01:14:29] Christina: But like in my office, like I have like my big like 27 inch iMac and I’ve got, you know, the studio display and like the Zac has 128 gigs of RI and, you know, a 10 core, you know, like beefy intel cpu and a really, really good, uh, gpu. Like it’s in a lot of ways still better than, uh, for, for some purposes, especially with, you know, VMs and stuff than, uh, than even using my apple silicon stuff.

[01:14:53] Christina: Even if it, like, the fans come on and it’s, it’s not silent. So what, but what’s annoying is [01:15:00] that even though it has a secure enclave, um, you can’t use the touch ID keyboard with it, which is, which is completely an arbitrary Apple decision. They absolutely could have done that because Touch ID was on Intel Max first.

[01:15:13] Christina: And so if you’ve got the secure enclave. Which this one does. You know, there should be no reason why you can’t have the touch ID third party keyboard, but you can’t. Um, and so it’s really annoying for me to have to type a password in all the time when passwords, um, uh, account is, is pretty good. Uh, oh, I will give a shout out to Okta.

[01:15:36] Christina: This is, sorry, we’re just talking about authentication stuff cuz this is annoying to me. Okta now supports PAs keys, at least my instance does, which is great because if, when you’re logging in, if you don’t wanna have to reach around the back of your computer to find your, um, your UBI key, or if your UBI key, your, your, your secondary one is like in a bag of someplace and you’re like, man, I really don’t wanna fuck with this right now.

[01:15:58] Christina: If you set up, um, [01:16:00] uh, in, in your Okta settings, you can set up, uh, your, your phone as like, uh, a PAs key and then you can just scan the QR code on another machine and then on your iPhone it’ll come up and be like, do you wanna use the PAs key that is saved to this account to log in? I’m like, yes, yes, I do.

[01:16:15] Christina: Brilliant. So, so Pass Keys are great across platform and they’re supported by all the different, um, uh, big, you know, Microsoft, Google, apple, uh, it’s a consortium that came together for them and the, the, um, the Okta support really handy. Also, if you’re trying to like, look at ways to have to avoid typing in your password as many times as, as I do when you’re on an Intel Mac if, or I guess if you were on like a, you know, like a a Mac Studio or Mac Mini Apple, Silicon One, and you, you didn’t wanna pay for the, the Apple Touch ID keyboard because you’re like, I actually want a keyboard that feels good and, and, and you don’t wanna do it.

[01:16:53] Christina: What, what Jason Snell did, which was like, cut it, cut it up to like find a way to, you know, get, get, get the sensor [01:17:00] into a, a normal

[01:17:00] Brett: I, I would love, I would love a touch id sensor on my ultimate hacking keyboard, but I’m not gonna, I’m not gonna switch keyboards just for the touch Id.

[01:17:10] Christina: Absolutely. And that’s the thing,

[01:17:11] Brett: even though I hate using my watch, cuz right now during the winter, I always have long sleeves on. So I’ve got my fingers on the home row. A a prompt comes up, I have to pull my hands up the keyboard, pull back my sleeve, and then I wear my watch backwards for various and sundry reasons.

[01:17:29] Brett: But that means I have to like, grasp my watch from the right and then carefully double tap the button on the left because if I hit the wrong button, it’ll dismiss the password prompt. It’s kind of a pain in the ass. And I would rather, I think in most cases, so I use, I use key bindings. Don’t tell anyone this, this is secret, but I use key bindings and I have a, I have a sequence.

[01:17:55] Brett: If I type a certain sequence of keys, it fills in my system password.

[01:17:59] Christina: [01:18:00] smart. Oh, I should do that.

[01:18:02] Brett: and it’s, it’s a complex sequence. It like, You’d have to, you, you would have to be me to

[01:18:07] Christina: I was gonna say, you have to be in your brain.

[01:18:09] Brett: you would never guess it. But it’s way shorter than typing my system password. Um,

[01:18:14] Jeffrey: You know, who wears their watch backwards?

[01:18:16] Brett: my dad

[01:18:17] Jeffrey: Snipers,

[01:18:18] Christina: Huh.

[01:18:21] Brett: I, I do it because in yoga, uh, if I go into like a downdog or anything on my, where my palm is on the ground, bent backwards, it will hit the button on my watch and will set, set off the emer, the sos alarm,

[01:18:40] Christina: Oh, very bad.

[01:18:42] Brett: to people in a yoga

[01:18:43] Brett: class.

[01:18:44] Jeffrey: wear it backwards like that. So it’s not that the face is, um,

[01:18:47] Brett: I just, so, so that the crown, the crown and the button are on the

[01:18:51] Christina: Got it. Got it. Okay. Now I do have a question for you. Are, are you, um, a, a, a right wrist or a left wrist watch person?

[01:18:58] Brett: Left w left

[01:18:59] Christina: Same. [01:19:00] Uh, Jeff?

[01:19:01] Jeffrey: Same.

[01:19:02] Christina: Left wrist? Yep.

[01:19:04] Brett: Who, what,

[01:19:05] Brett: what, what, Right-handed person. Yeah. I can’t imagine wearing a watch on my right

[01:19:11] Christina: I can’t either. Uh, it would be weird and, and I assume it’s because we’re all right-handed, but I don’t know. Um, I did have to at, uh, when I went to Disney World, um, I got there, there were stupid magic band things, which are not stupid. I mean, it was, you know, uh, we, I, I, I bullied my, my, my two friends into both buying magic bands.

[01:19:29] Christina: I was as disappointed that mine, which was still over. Was just purple. Whereas they had like really like terrible like kind of themed ones. But the thing is, is that you could do most of what you could do with the Magic band, with your Apple watch, but not everything. And like the magic band was great cuz like, we get you into the hotel room and like if you, if we’d chosen to do this, we could even hooked up like a credit card to it.

[01:19:50] Christina: But it was like great for like, you know, getting into the, into the rise and like, uh, uh, I, I stupidly bought the photo pack, like where the photographers will take all [01:20:00] the pictures for you. And it was like $200, but I got my money’s worth. I I, I did the math and I was like, this is how many photos we have to take for this to be worth it.

[01:20:07] Christina: And we more than did that. I was like, good. But like, but I had like, but it’s basically the same size as Apple Watch. So like my Apple watch on on one wrist and then I have like the magic band on the other and it was so weird having something on my right wrist. Um,

[01:20:20] Jeffrey: I bet. Yeah.

[01:20:22] Christina: I had to use the kid size, um, of, of, of the, the magic band thing.

[01:20:26] Christina: Like, like genuinely, like it was one of those things, like they’ve got like a longer band, like it’s clearly for adults and then like you have to rip that part of it off the kid size. It was like, oh yeah, I, I’ve always said I have childlike wrist, but now this is proof cuz I’m, I’m only halfway through like this, this, this thing.

[01:20:41] Christina: Like, I, there’s no way I even could have a approached, like the adult one. I’m like, I’m like, I’m like halfway through the kid thing. I’m like, yep. Cool. that was also just a random tangent, but, but, uh, but, but, but Pam w uh, t i d and I’ll have some other, um, of the, the modules linked because they’re, uh, this is [01:21:00] like a fun thing to, to play with and potentially bork your system.

[01:21:02] Christina: So again,

[01:21:03] Brett: Yeah, totally.

[01:21:04] Brett: It’s, it’s, it’s, it’s amazing when it works and at worst it’ll just break your system. It’ll be fun,

[01:21:13] Jeffrey: Uh, that’s awesome.

[01:21:14] Brett: All right, so just a quick recap of all the things we didn’t talk about today. We, we didn’t talk about TikTok and acquisitions. We didn’t talk about G P T four or Bard or ai. We didn’t talk about how Samsung is full of shit from Moom picks to foldable phones. Um, and we didn’t talk about the post office.

[01:21:34] Brett: These are all things that may come up in the next episode. So stay tuned.

[01:21:38] Jeffrey: Not euthanasia.

[01:21:39] Christina: Not

[01:21:40] Brett: Not, no, we’re prob probably

[01:21:43] Jeffrey: You know what? Let’s, let’s go, let’s go straight from euthanasia to get some sleep.

[01:21:48] Christina: Yeah, I was gonna say, uh,

[01:21:50] Jeffrey: but not eternal rest.

[01:21:52] Brett: Get some sleep.

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