234: Everybody Gets A Little Pwned Sometimes

Brett and Christina start talking about one political party’s fundraising scam but quickly turn to complaining about the other party’s email shenanigans. Because Overtired is nothing if not fair and balanced. Ok, it’s actually a lot of things other than that. Really none of that. Imbalance kind of drives the show… plus data leaks and lost Apple devices.

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Christina: [00:00:00] [00:00:00]You are listening to over tired. I’m Christina Warren. He’s Brett Terpstra, Brett, how are you?

[00:00:11] Brett: [00:00:11] I am so like right before we started this podcast, like this exact recording, I was buried in like building a whole new website for a bunch from scratch. And as an ADHD person who gets hyper-focused, it’s really hard for me to let go yeah. To switch tracks. So I’m working on that right now.

[00:00:37] Christina: [00:00:37] Okay. All right. I appreciate that. And, and, and, um, and we’ll, we’ll, we’ll talk about some of your code stuff a little bit later, unless, um, I mean, we could skip breaths, um, mental health corner and go straight to Brett’s coding corner, if that would help you transition. But I don’t know.

[00:00:53] Brett: [00:00:53] We’ll make that, uh, we’ll, we’ll see where we’re at at the 45 minute Mark. And if we want to dig into. [00:01:00] Like the inner workings of Brett’s code brain at that point. That’s fine. But for right now, we’ll stick with our kind of the usual topics.

[00:01:07] Christina: [00:01:07] Yeah, that sounds good. So mental health corner update.

[00:01:12] Brett: [00:01:12] Yeah. How are you?

[00:01:13]Christina: [00:01:13] I’m okay. I’ve been, I don’t know this, the whole, this whole thing is just getting to me. It’s been kind of a shitty week to be honest, but but I’m okay. I did volunteer yesterday again, Adam, the, uh, place

[00:01:26] Brett: [00:01:26] a nation clinic.

[00:01:27] Christina: [00:01:27] Yeah. And that was, that was really cool.

[00:01:29]We gave 8,000 doses and I made the mistake of signing up for an afternoon shift and ended up having to stay about an hour and a half after. Should have been there because the line for people to get in, and some people were waiting in line for two hours outside to get inside. And traffic apparently was really bad getting down to the stadium because there was also a Mariners game happening.

[00:01:53] So the Mariners are the Seattle baseball team and where the VAX clinic is happening is it’s taking place at the [00:02:00] larger lumen field, which is the, where the Seahawks, the football team play. And so it’s not actually, like it’s an outdoor stadium, so they’re not doing the vaccinations outside, but there’s like a theater kind of area that’s attached to the stadium.

[00:02:12] That’s big. And like they have, college graduations and stuff like that there. And so that is where people are. Having the, that the spreader doing the vaccination stuff. And but they’re right across the street from one another. So like the football stadium and the baseball stadium are literally across the street from one another.

[00:02:29] So when you have, were, they got 8,000 doses that they were giving out throughout the day. So you had that many people coming in and then the baseball game. And then I don’t know if there was some sort of other holdup, but traffic was apparently really, really bad. So things were sort of backed up and then the line to get in, it was like some people, like the very last people that we were helping, it was like, people were, had been in line for two hours, which is crazy, but also,

[00:02:57] Brett: [00:02:57] bad as voting.

[00:02:58]Christina: [00:02:58] Yeah, but [00:03:00] honestly, I don’t want to say more important, but I’m going to say more important.

[00:03:04]Brett: [00:03:04] Yeah, I guess you could argue that either way,

[00:03:08] Christina: [00:03:08] either way. I think you could go that way. I think that the reason I will say more important is because it’s 16 and up and you have to be 18 to vote. And, and also there’s not a residency requirement, you know what I mean? Like vaccination is for everybody. I don’t know. Um, but, but I could see, I would be open to the other argument as well.

[00:03:29] I’m not like committed to it so yeah, that was cool. It was, it was nice. I was just doing data entry stuff. So I would sit with, you know, the person who’s giving this shot and enter in all the information. And that was nice, to be able to kind of help. It was nice to see so many people out there because I’ve been worried.

[00:03:45] You know, we talked before about. Like you were able to get your appointment relatively quickly, which was great. But some people in some places have been having an easier time getting appointments. Not because the supply is better, but because people are like [00:04:00] not wanting to get vaccinated, which is concerning.

[00:04:03]So it’s good, to have that much of a line for that many doses. Um, how, uh, how, how are things with you? Like mental health wise? Have you been like any like manic or depressive spirals?

[00:04:15] Brett: [00:04:15] like just stable that two and a half milligrams, which in my dosage was I, my doctor was right. I kind of scoffed at the idea that two and a half milligrams of anything could really matter, but she, she nailed it.

[00:04:31] Christina: [00:04:31] Hell. Yeah, that’s awesome. That’s really, really good. Any, uh, anything on the job update?

[00:04:36] Brett: [00:04:36] No, I just checked in with them today. It’s still going through like all of the internal processing and I’ll admit I’m a little nervous. I live in an independent world where things are a little more agile and uh, yeah, if something takes a couple of weeks, I start to think something’s going on.

[00:04:55] Christina: [00:04:55] Yeah. Yeah. I mean, living in like kind of a corporate world, I know how slow stuff can be, but I [00:05:00] also, that doesn’t change. It doesn’t make it any better. Like I’m not somehow more comfortable at like, I somehow don’t feel like, Oh, this is great. You know, like, or everything’s okay. Because of, um, how long somebody could take, you know what I mean?

[00:05:14]Brett: [00:05:14] Did you know, object impermanence is uh, listed as both for autism and ADHD, a symptom. This is the, okay. So the reason I went down this sudden tangent is the idea like when you’re traveling, do you have to like repeatedly check to make sure the tickets in your bag or open your phone and make sure you have it, like in the wallet? No, I do once I’ve checked once or twice, I can convince myself, I don’t need to check anymore, but, uh, but I was talking with Al and we have that kind of in common, the nagging once you can’t see something, the need to find it and make sure it’s actually there, which also ties into how I [00:06:00] lose shit all the time.

[00:06:01] Christina: [00:06:01] Totally. Yeah. I mean, I don’t know. I don’t really have that. Although there are, but I know plenty of people who it’s interesting. I feel like that I can see that being a symptom of both. For, for both of those, like ADHD, autism, but also OCD and stuff. But I know people who I would consider very neuro-typical who have that too.

[00:06:21] Um, I don’t know. I don’t, I don’t have that. Um, it is one of those things. Like I make sure that I check before I leave, but I, but I lose shit all the time. Like sunglasses and me are I’m famous for losing sunglasses and I’m not talking about cheap sunglasses. Like I’m talking about like expensive, like Ray-Bans, and then I’m very mad at myself.

[00:06:41] I had like a really, really good streak with a pair of Ray-Bans where I had them for like three years. No, not three years, like two and a half years, almost three years. And then I lost them. And after that, like I was going [00:07:00] through significant numbers of pears. I’ve most recently lost my Apple watch and I don’t know where it is.

[00:07:05] Yeah. And, and it’s somewhere in my house. I don’t know. I remember doing something with the band and I thought that I put it on its charger and I didn’t, and I couldn’t find it yesterday. And this is because I don’t wear my watch every day now. And I have another one. And if I need to, you know, if I can’t find it or whatever, but it’s, it’s still like that one’s frustrating to me.

[00:07:24] So I don’t have probably, but it’s, it’s been so long since I realized I lost it, that

[00:07:31] Brett: [00:07:31] have a charge to

[00:07:32] Christina: [00:07:32] it doesn’t have a charge. Exactly. So, so it’d be worthless. Um, this is the problem, but yeah, I don’t have that object in permanence thing. Although I probably should ingratiate that in myself for things like sunglasses and like earphones, I don’t know that I should have it, but I don’t like, usually.

[00:07:49] Like my passport and stuff like that. Like I know that that’s in my person. The thing that I have sometimes is that somebody will hand me like a piece of paper and I’ll know it’s important and I’ll put it away and then I’ll [00:08:00] suddenly not be able to find it. And usually it’s okay. But there are times where I’m like, what did I just do with that?

[00:08:07] Brett: [00:08:07] I don’t lose stuff that I use frequently. Like I, I have tiles on my keys and in my wallet, I’ve never had to ring them. Like I always know. Where my sunglasses, my keys, my wallet, stuff that I use more than once a week. I always know exactly where I left it. Anything beyond that, like trying to find my, my taxes, like all the forms from independent contractor stuff, they came in, I put them somewhere.

[00:08:37] I thought these were important. I’ll put them somewhere. I’ll remember. I don’t know. I had to ask for more. Right. I had to ask people to like resend them because they’re around here somewhere, but.

[00:08:48] Christina: [00:08:48] Yeah. I mean, I, I’m kind of the opposite in, in, in, in a weird way. Like it’s the stuff that I use frequently that I will have to figure out where it is. And then it’s the other stuff that I will usually, if I’m putting it in a safe place, [00:09:00] like I’m committing it to memory. Although there are some things where I’m like, I know where it was, but I don’t mind not know where that thing is.

[00:09:06] Right. Like there there’s like a folio that I have that has my social security card, my birth certificate and, and, um, things like that. But I don’t know where that is at the moment. Um, for tax stuff, I try to just have everybody give it to me digitally

[00:09:21]Brett: [00:09:21] Before I pull off a perfect segue. Do you want to, you want to hear a three-year-old review of this podcast,

[00:09:28] Christina: [00:09:28] Yes, I do.

[00:09:28] Brett: [00:09:28] a dramatization. This is from Zuora early and, and I, I, I don’t, I read our reviews so infrequently that this went three years before I noticed it, but it’s wheelie says it’s not that there’s anything quote, unquote, wrong with this podcast.

[00:09:46] Think the couple sounds like nice people they’re unbelievably boring to listen to over tired really is the perfect title because it’s like they haven’t slept in or in a dream half-awake state just rambling on about nothing in particular. I [00:10:00] want to give it one star because I got absolutely nothing of value out of this podcast.

[00:10:04] Nothing even vaguely entertaining, but I give them two stars for at least trying. I mean, people who try are worth and then it just ends.

[00:10:13]Christina: [00:10:13] wow. Oh my God. I feel so seen.

[00:10:17] Brett: [00:10:17] Yeah. So like everyone listening, I don’t care if it’s a one-star review, just write something intriguing. Cause honestly it’s, it’s entertaining.

[00:10:29]Christina: [00:10:29] That was such a good roast.

[00:10:32] Brett: [00:10:32] Yeah. I mean, I, I’m not going to argue.

[00:10:35] Christina: [00:10:35] No, I’m not even,

[00:10:36] Brett: [00:10:36] We’re tired.

[00:10:37] Christina: [00:10:37] I’m not even remotely mad. Like that was really good.

[00:10:40]Brett: [00:10:40] Yeah. I didn’t take it personally. And I wasn’t sure if it was because it was so old, I didn’t care anymore. Or if just honestly, You know, it’s okay. It’s okay. You can hate something. I mean, honestly, to me, if you dislike something that much, you just don’t listen to it again, you don’t go leave a shitty review, but [00:11:00] you know,

[00:11:00] Christina: [00:11:00] mean,

[00:11:00] Brett: [00:11:00] a place for that.

[00:11:01] Christina: [00:11:01] I don’t know. Like I would be, I think the reason I’m not mad at that and like, it genuinely doesn’t bother me. It kind of tickles me is because like, There’s some truth in that, like, that’s not a bad review. Like I’m, I’m fairly self-aware and I’m like, yeah, that doesn’t really hurt me too much because there’s some truth in that the ones that would get that get me are the ones that are either trying really hard to be mean.

[00:11:25] And that one really wasn’t like, you know, there are ones that can be really mean about talking about what your voice sounds like or what your face is or this or that. You know what I mean? Like that’s the

[00:11:36] Brett: [00:11:36] that make it super personal. Yeah.

[00:11:38] Christina: [00:11:38] yeah. But like, there was nothing personal in that and it wasn’t, um, bad. Like I’m, I’m not, I’m not mad at it.

[00:11:46] Like I feel sufficiently called out and I’m like, yeah, you know what? We’re not for everybody. And that’s okay. There are, there are people who continue to listen to us week after week, and we appreciate you and who don’t feel that way, but [00:12:00] I’m not going to argue with people who do find that you do have that opinion, like Marshall and thank you for listening and writing a review, honestly.

[00:12:08] Brett: [00:12:08] We, uh, we have that’s the most recent review we have. No one has, no one has reviewed this show since we like took a year off and came back.

[00:12:16] Christina: [00:12:16] okay. So that is the one that is the one thing before we go into our, what would have been a perfect segue, uh, ads break thing, um, that I will call out as a request for our listeners, please leave a review. It doesn’t have to be five star Wars. It doesn’t have to be one-star. Although those are our two favorites, it can be two, it can be three, it can be four, whatever, but please leave a review.

[00:12:37] And as long as it doesn’t get super personal, where, you know, you’re kind of like, ouch, that hurts my feelings. And even if you want to do that, I’m going to be honest. I will take it, but like, let’s get a review that’s more recent than three years. Cause that’s all I would really like, just so people know, Hey, this is still going and there are solicitors.

[00:12:55] We promise. Sorry. I was just really hot on the mic there. Um, I felt that, [00:13:00] sorry. Um, but you know, there, there are still listeners, please, please let us, uh, Let people know.

[00:13:08] Brett: [00:13:08] I know for a fact, we have listeners, our sponsors tell us that we have pretty strong ad sales, so there must be people listening and we must be selling the shit out of some stuff.

[00:13:20]Christina: [00:13:20] Yeah. Which is great. So we appreciate you.

[00:13:23] Brett: [00:13:23] We’re just pros at this. Um, on my last episode of systematic, I had Aaron Mankey, uh, of lower on and like, his story is crazy because like he, he was publishing his first episode of Laura kind of as like a newsletter thing. Hey, here’s a free story. If you subscribe to my newsletter. I’ll give you five more and it just immediately started gaining traction.

[00:13:50] And now he has millions of listeners and he can do, can you do ad sales for a whole year in one week? And it, yeah, crazy success story. [00:14:00] I I’m really, really impressed and proud of Aaron. Cause I knew him back when he was just like a, a freelancer designer, just kind of like throwing things against the wall to see what stuck.

[00:14:13] He never expected podcasts and could be the thing anyway. So the segue I had in mind was, uh, Apple find my, uh, in reference to your watch, the, see, like, if I had done this right then would have been just, Hmm. But, uh, Apple just released an update to find my, which is a weird name. Uh, I get, I get why it doesn’t have an article, but, um, like find my, that allows third parties to start, um, making their products find-able uh, so you could go into find my, instead of just your Apple devices, you could have, I can’t remember who the first people signing on were, um, Let me look that up real quick while we’re talking, but yeah, it’s [00:15:00] kinda, it’s kinda cool because I’m used to like buying tiles and, uh, things like, things like that that will ring and find my random, uh, random things, but I can’t afford to put a title on everything.

[00:15:14] So if everything just came with fine, my built-in.

[00:15:17]Christina: [00:15:17] Yeah, no, I would love that. Um, but yeah, it’s interesting. Cause they’re clearly releasing this because they’re going to be coming out with air tags. And which is that’s the rumored name? Um, I, I’m not sure what it’s actually going to be called, but they’re going to become out with their tile compete. And, uh, presumably this will be so that you can attach it to those things or to your point, they might be licensing it to other companies.

[00:15:42] You’re able to build it into their products, which would be even better.

[00:15:44] Brett: [00:15:44] The first, the first people, the first companies that are making use of this are then move with their S3. And x-ray e-bikes Belkin sound, form freedom, true wireless earbuds. And [00:16:00] Chipolo one spot item finder. I don’t know what trip polo one has, but e-bikes and earbuds. That makes sense. Are you a camper? Put a tag on your earbuds, so that’s super cool.

[00:16:12]Christina: [00:16:12] Yeah. I mean, I think that this is the sort of thing where if you’re able to, you know, build in. Whatever it is that they’ve built into find my, you know, within, within I’m presuming it’s it’s within like the radio stack. Um, and, uh, and had that show up in the app. Like, that’s really awesome. Obviously, they’re going to be some physical items that you can’t do that with, or that in theory, you shouldn’t do that with, you know, like, um, an umbrella or a, those are things I also lose all the time, umbrellas or sunglasses or

[00:16:40] Brett: [00:16:40] I don’t even own an umbrella.

[00:16:43] Christina: [00:16:43] Well,

[00:16:44] Brett: [00:16:44] I don’t have hair to worry about. I just go out in the rain

[00:16:48] Christina: [00:16:48] Yeah. I mean, umbrellas, aren’t super common in Seattle, even though it rains, you’re a lot, the, the locals tend to look down on umbrella caring folks, but sometimes like, if it’s really coming down, like you need it, uh, in New [00:17:00] York.

[00:17:00] Brett: [00:17:00] clear light head wrap things that old ladies wear to protect their perms.

[00:17:05] Christina: [00:17:05] Yeah. The issue with that is like, again, like if it’s coming down really hard, like that’s not gonna work. Um, that’s less of an issue here too. I mean, people drive more, but like New York city, for instance, like. You need an umbrella. Like there’s no way that you can survive in New York city without an umbrella because no one drives.

[00:17:24] So if you’re like, you can wait for maybe the brain to let up some, but sometimes it’s just going to be coming down out there. Also the snow, like is at times bad enough that like, you know, you, you need an umbrella for the snow. So it’s less of an issue in Seattle. Um, and, and whatnot. But, um, yeah. Uh, but like I did actually have a smart umbrella that some company had sent me that had an app that would let you like track, you know, where it was, but it added an enormous amount of money to the umbrella itself.

[00:17:56] And then I still lost the umbrella. So [00:18:00] the whole thing was, was a fail, but I am happy that more companies are doing this and that hopefully I will be able to have a better sense of where stuff is. I would like. This would be a nice feature for fine. Might’ve have, if my battery is under like 20% and my device hasn’t been charged, I would like to get an alert so that I can locate the device and charge it.

[00:18:26] Like that would be useful for my phone. Like if, because they can tell if your phone’s on your restaurant, like they know that my phone, but if my, um, not my phone, like my watch, they know if your washer’s on your restaurant, they know that if my watch is on my wrist is not in my wrist and the battery is under 20% alert me because maybe at someplace, like not on my charger and I can find out where it was.

[00:18:48] I don’t know.

[00:18:49]Brett: [00:18:49] No it’s bugging me right now.

[00:18:51] Christina: [00:18:51] What’s that?

[00:18:52] Brett: [00:18:52] I said that fine. My doesn’t have an article. That’s entirely grammatically incorrect. I should’ve said like direct [00:19:00] object or subject.

[00:19:02] Christina: [00:19:02] Right. I was going to say, cause it has the article.

[00:19:03] Brett: [00:19:03] Yeah, I, I, I’m just, I’m sitting here shaking my head thinking I should edit that, but you know what,

[00:19:10] Christina: [00:19:10] Well, you’ve just edited it.

[00:19:11] Brett: [00:19:11] I want to give people fodder for their two star reviews.

[00:19:15] Christina: [00:19:15] But also you just corrected it. So it’s fine.

[00:19:18] Brett: [00:19:18] I’d like to issue a public correction. My mom was an English teacher I should know better. Uh, so I do, I don’t have a perfect segue, but I feel like we’re at a good point to do an ad read.

[00:19:32] Christina: [00:19:32] I agree.

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[00:21:57] Christina: [00:21:57] That’s awesome. And I’m very jealous and I’m glad that you don’t [00:22:00] have to have it. A gel cover on your mattress anymore. Cause those are annoying to be

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[00:22:48] I just fucking love their pillows. If you want to spend $150 on a pillow, that’s the place to go.

[00:22:54] Christina: [00:22:54] Okay. That is, that is a big investment on a pillow. However, if it lasts a long time, [00:23:00] then like it’s probably worth.

[00:23:03] Brett: [00:23:03] Well, so their feather pillows and feather pillows will after, you know, a few years they’ll get flat and that will still happen. But the more like you can get different mixes of down and goose feather. So the more down you have the longer, it tends to stay fluffy, which is weird. Cause you would think that would compress more, but it’s not the case.

[00:23:26] So I try to get at least a 50, 50 down and feather mix, even though that costs, you know, more down is expensive. So there was this thing, uh, where Trump and this should be a surprise to nobody, but he scammed his own supporters. By tricking them into turning their one-time donations into repeating donations and not repeating monthly.

[00:23:55] Like at one point closer to the election, they actually defaulted to weekly [00:24:00] recurring.

[00:24:00] Christina: [00:24:00] God, this is such a nightmare. And, and all, and obviously not obviously, um, and actually also in many cases, a violation of sec rules, because individuals are only allowed to give, uh, $2,000 to a political campaign.

[00:24:17] Brett: [00:24:17] he topped that multiple times.

[00:24:19] Christina: [00:24:19] Right? Well, that’s the thing. I think that’s, that’s how people found out because they were having to get refunded.

[00:24:23] Um, so there are people like, but if your donation was something like, say $25, it could have been months or weeks or whatever, you know, before they figured that out and turn off the recurring and you might not get your money back. Right. Because if it’s, if it’s $25, even if it’s going weekly, you’re, you’re going to be talking about what does that, um, uh, 40 weeks before you be at two grand.

[00:24:48] Brett: [00:24:48] Yeah, I don’t do math, but

[00:24:50] Christina: [00:24:50] Um, so yeah, so like

[00:24:54]Brett: [00:24:54] Do you want to know how much they had to refund

[00:24:58] Christina: [00:24:58] uh, how, how much did [00:25:00] they have to refund? Yeah,

[00:25:01]Brett: [00:25:01] million,

[00:25:03]Christina: [00:25:03] it was 80 weeks. It would be 80 weeks if you gave $25 a week. Sorry. So be over a year.

[00:25:08] Brett: [00:25:08] they basically took out $122 million loan interest for you, even though they paid it back. It’s still without interest.

[00:25:16] Christina: [00:25:16] without interest, well, not only that, but, and again, this is my point. Like I th I think the number could be higher because. The way I read it and maybe I’m wrong on this, but the way that I read this, the reasons that they were doing the refunding would be when you go over the $2,000 limit and then you need to refund the money.

[00:25:37] Right. But again, like if your donation was $25 and it’s going to be 80 weeks until you meet that threshold, I don’t know if that’s an, I don’t, I don’t know if that’s part of the refund or not. Like, I don’t know if they proactively went and every single person that signed up for a recurring donation, they turned off.

[00:25:54] Cause there could be some people that did genuinely want to give on a recurring basis. Right. [00:26:00] So so, so it could be way more than $122 million. So they got tax-free or interest free.

[00:26:08] Brett: [00:26:08] To me is, so you make this, you make this donation, you know, you say, I want to give $25 and then underneath it before you click, okay, there’s a box that in big letters says, and I’m reading directly from screenshots here. We need your help to draft Trump for president. Check this box. If you want Trump to run again, uncheck this box.

[00:26:29] If you do not stand with Trump and then in small print underneath it, it says, make this a monthly recurring donation. So they, it clearly says next to the check box to uncheck it. If you do not stand with Trump, but the check box is actually the one that makes it a monthly recurring donation.

[00:26:49] Christina: [00:26:49] Wow. How that not fraud.

[00:26:52] Brett: [00:26:52] Right. W then it gets scarier. The one they sent out after that says Trump Patriot status missing as a [00:27:00] top grassroots supporter, we were surprised to see you abandoned him. This is your last chance to update your status to active. And that one, if you don’t, if you uncheck it, if you okay, if you leave it checked, it doubles your donation, whatever, whatever amount you put in, it’ll double it.

[00:27:19] And then here’s the last one. The one that kills me, we need to know you. We haven’t lost you to the radical left. If you uncheck this box, we will have to tell Trump you’re a defector and sided with the Dems check this box, and we can win back the house and get Trump to run in 2024 small print, make this a monthly recurring donation.

[00:27:41] They’re going to report you to Trump as a defector. If you don’t make it a monthly recurring donation.

[00:27:48] Christina: [00:27:48] I mean, and, and, and some of this other stuff too, like they had, you know, um, would you like to join Trump on a social news media site? Yes. I stand with Trump. No, I prefer fake news. Like this is, [00:28:00] this is really terrible.

[00:28:01] Brett: [00:28:01] The, like a pit of me of dark patterns, like when, like, this is what I think like a lot of the language in the GDPR in Europe, uh, was kind of designed to, uh, avoid exactly this kind of thing.

[00:28:19] Christina: [00:28:19] No 100%. I mean, this, this is the absolute, like darkest of dark patterns. And really, and like the thing is, is that I encourage everybody. Who’s listening to the podcast. If you want to know more about this to visit the show notes, because the link that it Brett’s talking about, like, you really need to see these screenshots because it’s not just that they.

[00:28:37] You know, say these things, but it’s not just a dark pattern in terms of the boxes, but these are yellow background with, you know, black text. And the way that the, the monthly donation thing is there is difficult to read by design, but it’s, it’s the yellow background thing, you know, that really kind of takes this to another level.

[00:28:58] Like this is just, this is dirty. [00:29:00] Like there’s no other word for it. Like this is just dirty. This is just disgusting. And I would say that to be very clear, if any democratic candidate were doing this, I would say the exact same thing. People who do this are predatory and bad, and I don’t care what party they’re representing or what candidate they’re representing.

[00:29:17] Like this is gross and disgusting. And any group that does, this is bad and should feel bad. And, and I feel like stuff like this should be violating FEC laws like this. This feels to me like a very blatant FEC violation.

[00:29:31] Brett: [00:29:31] I hate it when even, even when companies, I like do things like make a subscribing to the newsletter, opt out instead of opt in, like, there’s, there’s just no reason for that.

[00:29:44] Christina: [00:29:44] There’s not an answer. What it does is that if you’re more savvy, which you know, more people are becoming, but it’s also difficult to be savvy. Like you have to read every single thing when you sign up, which takes more time. Right. So I’m just now at this [00:30:00] point, I expect companies that I like to sign up for the newsletter.

[00:30:04] So I have to look and see, how can I get unsubscribed? The worst thing though, is there are plenty of places where I buy something from them once I didn’t opt in to get mail, but I will continue to get it. And then I have to go through the unsubscribe process. And usually that is not a problem at this point, you know, it used to be kind of like kind of Laura, where there’s like, Oh, if you want subscribe, you just tell them that your email is still active.

[00:30:28] I’m sure that there are still places that do that at least most. Um, the one good thing I would say about like, um, online shopping has become consolidated in large part by a couple of very large shopping site vendors. So like Shopify is, is the biggest. And then, you know, you have like, uh, like, like Lu commerce, which, you know, is kind of a self hosted solution.

[00:30:49] Although they’re, they’re hosted versions as well. And, and like Magento and some others. The one advantage of that is that typically things like the emails and whatnot [00:31:00] are all handled through that platform, which means that if you unsubscribe, you can pretty much count on it to actually unsubscribe you.

[00:31:07] It’s not, uh, you know, there are going to be some people who rolled their own shopping cart from end to end, but most places know better because that’s a gigantic pain. So, um, and so most of those third-party services have to comply with the law around email stuff, but it doesn’t make it any easier. It’s like every time you buy something, your emails is going to become inundated with stuff.

[00:31:32] The thing I learned the hard way, and this is on a demo, this is on the democratic side, but, you know, I donated to some campaigns and I used my normal like email address. And they have sold that over and over and over again and given it to countless candidates and countless people. And I can’t get rid of all of it.

[00:31:56] And I’m like, I don’t want these messages because they’re all [00:32:00] fundraising messages. And I’m like, I, I gave my money to who I wanted to give it to. I don’t want my entire mailbox full of, you know, um, DNC, um, like stuff and, and things from, even from progressive candidates, like, sorry, I don’t want that. Like, I, I gave this candidate money.

[00:32:17] I didn’t give you money. And I didn’t give you permission to sell this to everyone else, but that’s exactly what they do. They sell it all. I mean, and I realized that my name is public and things like that, but like, this is a very clear thing where they share lists that they share donation. Listen, um, I wish I had known that earlier because if I had, then I would have used, like, I would have created a mailbox specifically for donations, um, that I would never have to look at it again.

[00:32:43] Brett: [00:32:43] I get, so I use sandbox and SaneBox has this thing called the black hole where you just move messages into the black hole folder and any future messages from that center. Don’t never make it to your, even to your spam folder, they’re just [00:33:00] gone. So I have black hole, like multiple DFL domains for this exact reason.

[00:33:05] The weird thing is at some point I must’ve made a donation with my ex-wife’s name because the emails that do still get through are always addressed in like all capital letters, a D D we need your help. And it’s it’s, I hate their entire, like, uh, it’s always an emergency thing. Like, it’s always, this is the last chance.

[00:33:31] It feels like a hard sales tactics and it feels wrong. It feels dirty, but the DFL too,

[00:33:40] Christina: [00:33:40] No totally. I mean, again, this is, uh, this is just so gross and, and I’m, I’m very happy to dunk on the Trump campaign for this, but I want to be like clear just because I would not be surprised if this came out about certain democratic candidates as well. Like, I would not be surprised if they were also, I mean, I feel like this is really blatant and this is really like peak [00:34:00] Trump tourism thing to do that.

[00:34:01] Yes,

[00:34:02] Brett: [00:34:02] you as a defector thing. I don’t even think most GOP candidates would stoop that low.

[00:34:08] Christina: [00:34:08] no. Agreed. And I mean, and like, let’s also be clear. They’re not reporting shit. Like they’re not doing anything like th this

[00:34:13] Brett: [00:34:13] Trump doesn’t give a shit. If you defend.

[00:34:15] Christina: [00:34:15] course he doesn’t like, like, you know, th th th this is fear-mongering scamming stuff. Um, one of the, the news reports that I read something from it might’ve been the Washington post.

[00:34:24] I can’t remember now. But they were talking about, you know, people who like there was a guy who was in hospice and gave $500, which he lived on $2,000 a month or under $2,000 a month. And, um, or maybe under a thousand dollars a month, I can’t remember now, but, but, you know, he gave to him was a whole lot of money he’s on hospice.

[00:34:47] Uh, which means that like, things are not going super well because he felt so compelled to donate to Donald Trump. And then his account was overdrawn and he, you know, had to feel, he had to find out that they were withdrawing this [00:35:00] amount of money from him on a weekly basis. And he felt, you know, violated and felt like he’d been stolen from, and he was, and so people are, were, I mean, this was a thing where it is not like a small thing that people are, are, you know, getting, um, Overdraw fees and, and things like that, which add up because every time another thing is trigger, that gives you another fee and puts you in the hole that much further.

[00:35:25] And it can be a real nightmare to get out of. And, and the people that this is going to hurt the most are gonna be people who are, you know, like the people you’re preying on are gonna be like your, your donors, who many of them are really committed to you, but they don’t have a lot of money. And they’re, they’re, you know, it was a sacrifice for them to give this and, and you convince them for what a reason to need to do it.

[00:35:45] It’s just, it makes me really, really angry. So fuck all these people.

[00:35:51] Brett: [00:35:51] No, it’s this downright discussing and it’s, uh, it’s very frustrating that. Sure they had to give refunds, but they’ll get away with it. Like there won’t be [00:36:00] any ramifications. Even their supporters will continue to support them after they stole from them.

[00:36:05]Christina: [00:36:05] Yes and no, I have a feeling if you went into an overdraft because of your campaign donation, I’m going to be honest. I don’t think there’s any way, no matter who the candidate is that you would ever give them money ever again.

[00:36:15] Brett: [00:36:15] I think that’s, uh, I, I, don’t maybe 50% of the time, but I think there’s a good portion of people who would still, who would be hurt by it, having it having happened, but it wouldn’t change their view on the candidate.

[00:36:29] Christina: [00:36:29] I mean, maybe it wouldn’t change the view on the candidate, but I feel like you would, I don’t know. I’m, I’m just, I just think that if, if you went into an overdraft, especially if you’re someone who lived on a fixed income and you had to go through overdraft and you had to fight with your bank and you had to fight for other stuff to, you know, like cancel those things and get a refund and whatnot.

[00:36:48] Cause you can’t get a refund. I’m pretty sure. I think, I think you have to able to get a refund for political contributions. Like I don’t think they can just keep the money. Um, then, um, it just might take [00:37:00] a while for it, for you to get it back or whatever. Then I don’t know. I feel like you might still like Donald Trump and you might be able to convince yourself, Oh, it wasn’t Trump who did this.

[00:37:10] It was some bad people who worked for him, but I don’t think that you would ever. Give them money again, I don’t know. Maybe, maybe, maybe that’s wishful thinking, but I just, I just feel like that’s one of those things where if somebody has done something that is, or, or some organization has done something that is had a very negative impact on your financial situation, most people don’t continue to give those organizations money.

[00:37:36]Brett: [00:37:36] Yeah. Yeah. I don’t claim to be able to get inside the mind of the kind of person who would donate to Trump to begin with. So I, I, I’m

[00:37:45] Christina: [00:37:45] I don’t know. Yeah. I mean, and, and, but, but also to be clear, like, I don’t think that this, what I’m referring to, isn’t even really about, like, who would donate to what candidate? I just think like in general, if, because we’ve all been in those situations where, um, or not all of us, but many of [00:38:00] us have been in a situation where you’ve gone into where somebody is like screwed up and, and you start getting charged weekly or monthly or, or daily or whatever for something, and it can have like a disastrous impact on your bank account.

[00:38:12] Um, I’ve been in that situation and it looked to me, it was, it was, you know, 20 years ago and I was, um, you know, a teenager and that company that did that, um, I would never in any circumstance give them money for anything ever again.

[00:38:27] Brett: [00:38:27] Skype did that to me. I, I, it was long before Microsoft on Skype, so this isn’t a conflict of interest, but they were

[00:38:36] Christina: [00:38:36] was, if it wasn’t, I would still say that was shitty,

[00:38:38] Brett: [00:38:38] they were taking out like a hundred dollars. And I don’t remember what the deal was like. I was paying for. Uh, like premium Skype account, but then I started getting double charged and I didn’t catch it right away.

[00:38:52] And like, it was, it billed like three times, so like $300 before I caught it. And I had [00:39:00] PayPal. I was like, I was doing it through a PayPal account and I had PayPal block, future payments, which then led to Skype, you know, blocking or like ending my account and getting it back, took me like a year. And I had to change my username.

[00:39:20] And I had basically, I had to create a new identity to get my Skype account back. And it was a pain in the ass, but I’m still a Skype user. We’re on Skype right now.

[00:39:29] Christina: [00:39:29] I mean, fair enough. So maybe I’m wrong. I don’t know. Um, did, did it put your account to overdraft?

[00:39:35] Brett: [00:39:35] Um, I don’t know, probably I did not have much money then.

[00:39:40]Christina: [00:39:40] Yeah, my situation and put me into overdraft, and then there were additional recurring charges that would put further things in overdraft and further things overdraft. And it was, um, it’s actually one of the weird reasons why I’m, I’m strangely loyal to bank of America because I was 16 and bank of America came through for me.

[00:39:59]I don’t know. [00:40:00] But, um, yeah. Uh,

[00:40:02] Brett: [00:40:02] kind of, that’s the kind of, uh, imagery Hab that bank of America needs.

[00:40:07]Christina: [00:40:07] well, but it also just, I mean, I don’t know. I mean, you’re, we’re probably both, right. It’s probably a mix of things. There are probably some people who won’t, you know, do anything and they’re probably some people who are going to be like, no, actually

[00:40:17] Brett: [00:40:17] seen actual interviews with people who, who got charged, got, uh, overdrafted and said they still 100% support Trump. Like I know those people

[00:40:26] Christina: [00:40:26] Well, no, no. I’m just to be clear. I wasn’t saying. This would change their supportive from pups saying that this would change them giving Trump money.

[00:40:34] Brett: [00:40:34] I would hope so. We would hope so for the sake of humanity.

[00:40:38] Christina: [00:40:38] correct. Correct. But anyway, um,

[00:40:41] Brett: [00:40:41] want to do an exploit corner?

[00:40:42] Christina: [00:40:42] yeah, let’s do exploit corner security, security theater. Well, not really theater. This is actually good. Good. These are bad exploits, but this is smart ways to

[00:40:50] Brett: [00:40:50] theater about security.

[00:40:52] Christina: [00:40:52] There we go.

[00:40:53] Brett: [00:40:53] Um, yeah, so we have multiple topics here. One of, one of the ones that kind of cracked me up was [00:41:00] this FinTech company. Uh, they were sending out emails and documentation and where, where users needed to put in a URL for their financial institution. They were just filling it in with default institution.com, which is, you know, an unregistered domain, but then a security researcher, fortunately, a white hat security researcher decided just to register the domain and then, uh, start basically it gave him access to all of these emails that were being sent to what otherwise would have been a dead end.

[00:41:38] And, uh, he could, he could be a man in the middle for all kinds of stuff, all of a sudden. So the lesson there, I can. Registered many, many years ago, example.com for the exact purpose of putting in example, URLs and, and doing it safely. So if you need to put a dummy [00:42:00] URL on something, just use example.com.

[00:42:03] Christina: [00:42:03] Yeah. Yeah. Um, I, I love stories like this and, and kind of hate them because in the wrong hands, they could be really, really dangerous. And like, obviously in this case, this was really good that some white hat person, you know, registered this, but there was a bigger issue with, um, Microsoft actually had to step in because one of the default things that people were registering for for years.

[00:42:28] Um, so actually this was a really scary thing. Um, so this happened at almost exactly a year ago, but, uh, um, Krebs on security had originally reported in February of 2020. Um, a private citizen who is offering off the dangerous domain name Corp com and he had a starting price of 1.7 million. And so corporate being CEO, rp.com and the re the domain experts had been calling Corp com dangerous because there were like years and years of testing, um, that showed that, you know, people who would have [00:43:00] access, whoever owned, it would have access to a ton of, of, you know, passwords and email from hundreds of thousands of, of, um, Microsoft, um, windows computers, because, um, the way that Corp com like worked a lot of times was be that when you would configure certain things, For an internal network, it would be like Corp, uh, you know, uh, or like, like your, your subdomain dot Corp w would be how it would be done.

[00:43:31] And that would be an internal domain name for the, um, for the internal DNS. But what happened was that if you would take that outside of the corporate environment, um, which is what it would use for active directory and windows, and, you know, it was facing the outside world Corp com as a real thing. And so if you had like, you know, like, um, my, my consulting company is like Christina Warren consulting.

[00:43:56] And so if I had like Christina Warren consulting dot Corp [00:44:00] com, and that’s a real thing, and it’s no longer in the purview of like my internal network, but it’s something that’s facing the outside then that if that, that gets exposed all of my usernames and passwords presuming I had, you know, a system that way, um, could be done, um, that way.

[00:44:18] And so. Like, we’ve got a link in the, in the show notes, because it’s really interesting to talk about how they’d done years and years of testing, um, to see how bad this could be. And the guy who bought it originally had owned it for 26 years and been doing nothing with it, but he basically just wanted a payday and wanted to cash out.

[00:44:38] And it was really problematic that he was selling it for like starting bids at like 1.7 million, because you could think that this would be an, an amazing honeypot for, um, like black hat organizations or, you know, for, for, for people who want access to data for, for bad guys. Right. And, and that the amount of money that you could get from that would probably pale in comparison to the domain name.

[00:45:00] [00:44:59] So I don’t know how much they paid, but Microsoft did end up agreeing to buy the domain, um, to keep it out of, you know, the, the hands of people who could abuse it. Um, but the whole thing, it was just really, you know, kind of, kind of crappy all around, like, you know, somebody who registers a domain name. 26 years earlier in 1994, who knows how much he paid for it and not, and not to say that, like I’m sure that the original domaining was relatively expensive to register and, and the ongoing, you know, renewal costs are, are not, it’s not as if maybe he should be asked it to give it to Microsoft for somebody else for free.

[00:45:37] But 1.7 million seemed, I don’t know, pretty gross, like to set that as your starting price in any event, I have no idea how much they paid. I have a feel, I mean, I have no insight whatsoever, so I’m completely talking to my ass here. I am assuming that it was less than that. I I’m assuming that because I don’t know, uh, like that, that old Simpsons, um, [00:46:00] meme about, you know, bill Gates about, you know, buying out, um, Homer’s, uh, internet startup and all they do is they just come in and destroy everything and break his little egg is like, we didn’t get rich by Brighton.

[00:46:11] A lot of checks. Like if somebody tells me there’s some truth in that. So I feel like they weren’t going to be, you know, like blackmailed into paint, billions of dollars for domain name. But, uh, I don’t know. So that’s another example of those. Be careful of those things. Use example.com, like you said, Brett, and I think Google owns, uh, what, what is it they own.

[00:46:36]I can’t remember what the, uh, domain, um, Suffex is that, that they do. Yeah. They own a whole TLD or something like.dev is now an actual TLD you can buy. Cause like I owned Christina dot dab and things like

[00:46:51] Brett: [00:46:51] up because I used to always do local host servers with that dev. Yeah.

[00:46:55] Christina: [00:46:55] Oh, that’s what it is. It’s dot local. I believe that Google owns and is, is, is not selling.

[00:47:00] [00:47:00] So, um, yeah, so yeah, that,

[00:47:03] Brett: [00:47:03] mess up a lot of people.

[00:47:05] Christina: [00:47:05] Yeah. Okay. So, so here we are, I’m local as a special use domain name reserved by the internet and internet engineering task force. IATF is that it may not be installed as a top-level domain and the domain name system on the internet. Um, so it’s also similar to local host.

[00:47:19] Okay. So dot local cannot be used by anybody, which is good. Um, so yeah, use dot local. Don’t use.dev, but all of us used to use.dev because that wasn’t a real thing. And then Google made that an actual TLD and yeah.

[00:47:35]Brett: [00:47:35] And I had all these redirects and my like, uh,

[00:47:40] Christina: [00:47:40] Personal DNS file.

[00:47:41] Brett: [00:47:41] Yeah. And so when.dev became a real thing, it took me a week to figure out why every time I clicked a link to a.dev site, my just spun because I was redirecting it. I was looping it back. And yeah, I figured that out. That was all me. But anyway, [00:48:00] anyway, um, so there was this, what was 2019 was the big Facebook data breach.

[00:48:08] Christina: [00:48:08] Yeah, apparently. Um,

[00:48:10] Brett: [00:48:10] it’s like top of the news. What happened?

[00:48:12] Christina: [00:48:12] so yeah, there were like 500 million people’s information was, was, uh, breached and, and Facebook isn’t calling it a breach per se. They’re like, Oh, well, people were able to scrape things using various it’s a breach. Right. But it’s, but they’re, they’re trying to spend it in other ways.

[00:48:27] Facebook is like, we’re not going to tell you if you were a victim of it or not. Because a, I think that they’re like, they don’t want to go through that rabbit hole and be they’re like, well, we, we just don’t know, which seems fake because the data’s out there, like you were able to find out, like, I don’t know.

[00:48:43] Where, where did you go to find out if you were part of the breach or not? I

[00:48:46] Brett: [00:48:46] I been pawned.com. They got, they, they can tell you whether you were in the, uh, initial leak and whether it’s been part of any pace and any forums.

[00:48:59] Christina: [00:48:59] All right. [00:49:00] All right. That’s awesome. So, so I’ll check that out. So yeah. Have I been pawned.com and, um, uh, Troy hunt, you created that service is just awesome. Um, he, um, and, and that’s, it’s been integrated into a bunch of other, like, like one password uses it and a bunch of other services due to like, let you know if your stuff has been there, but yeah.

[00:49:18] Um, Zach’s phone number was apparently part of the breach. Uh, and people found that he’s on signal, which. That I don’t find surprising because of course he’s on signal. Like, just because he owns Facebook and WhatsApp doesn’t mean that he would not use something like signal or another competitor service.

[00:49:36] To me, the bigger question is like, okay, so does the duck change his phone number now? Like that seems like that’d be a hassle, like, uh, maybe not if you’re Mark Zuckerberg, but yeah. I mean even, but, but even his information was, was part of the, the breach.

[00:49:52] Brett: [00:49:52] Uh, um, um, I’m on, have I been pawned.com right now? And the largest breach breaches, [00:50:00] uh, that they have, uh, recorded Facebook is number six, with 509 million, uh, accounts breached. Um, also they’re the most recent, so Facebook is top of the top of the charts.

[00:50:17] Christina: [00:50:17] so, okay. I was part, I, my phone number is not part of it, which is good. My email address that I use for Facebook was part of the 500 pixel breach. The eight tracks

[00:50:26] Brett: [00:50:26] Oh, yeah. Like I might email if I search my

[00:50:30] Christina: [00:50:30] Oh yeah. My, the, the, the, uh,

[00:50:33] Brett: [00:50:33] 20 years,

[00:50:34] Christina: [00:50:34] the anti-public combo list, whatever the hell that was. Um, Kobe Dropbox, uh, E Vite exploit dot N.

[00:50:45] Get Kickstarter, LinkedIn Mac forums, Mashable. Oh, fun. In approximately mid 2020, mashville suffered a data breach and subsequently turned up publicly in November, 2020. I didn’t know this, the data included 1.4 [00:51:00] million unique email addresses and names along with genders expired off tokens, physical locations, links to social media profiles a month to data.

[00:51:07] Wow. Yeah. So w mass blown point tried to start our own social network called Nashville follow. And that, that must’ve been what was, um, uh, breached, um, Tumblr part of that verifications.io. You’ve been scraped and Zynga, but not part of Facebook. Interesting. Okay. Good for me. Um, although pretty mad about the Mashable one, like real mad about that one.

[00:51:34] Like, Holy shit, is, this is new information that I’m learning right now on the pod. You know what? This is like. This is like when Blake, your former. This is like, when you find out that like your ex-boyfriend yeah. Or has an STD or as like a serial killer, right? Like this is like one of those things

[00:51:54] Brett: [00:51:54] I think it’s closer to an STD than a serial killer.

[00:51:57] Christina: [00:51:57] You’re correct. You’re correct. This is in [00:52:00] the grand scheme of things. No, this is completely like finding out that your ex and STD and you’re like, what the fuck dude? Like, could you, could you have told me, like, not cool. Now I have to tell everybody that I know, um, wow, fuck you Mashable. Like what the hell?

[00:52:15] And to be clear, Chris, who had built that system, he stopped working at Mashable like five years ago. So, um, I think today, because I think the layoffs were actually five years ago today. So, so this is not his fault and the entire product team and tech team, everybody has left and, and, and Mashable was sold at the end of 2018 or the end of 2017 rather to, uh, J two global, which is the parent company of Ziff Davis and all kinds of other bullshit.

[00:52:46] So this is all their fault. I don’t blame any of the people that I worked with back then. Uh, but fuck you Mashable like this, this feels dirty. This is pretty. Wow.

[00:52:57] Brett: [00:52:57] I, there are, there are a bunch of [00:53:00] like, uh, last FM was hacked in 2012. Uh, but they it’ll it’ll end the descriptions. It’ll tell you that they were storing passwords as unsalted MD five hashes and all of these. If a company took security at all seriously. And you know, you may have to outsource your dev team might not be experienced with, uh, securing databases, storing passwords, securely, things like that, but it would be worth as if you’re, if you’re, if you have more than if you have more than a hundred users, you really should have someone come in and assess your security level.

[00:53:40] Christina: [00:53:40] Yeah, I would agree with that, but it’s hard, right? Because that costs money. And like, if you’re trying to do something that’s smaller, but certainly by the obvious of like a hundred users I think is, is puts a weird owners, certainly a thousand. Um, if you have a big forum, that should definitely be a thing.

[00:53:55] Like, cause a lot of mine like Mac forums was one of them subs. I might’ve said Mac rumors and that was [00:54:00] incorrect. Sorry. Macrumors uh, Mac forums. Um, their logo is very similar. Um, but yeah, like some of these are really big. Okay. The good, okay. Nashville one, it did have off tokens, email addresses, genders, you graphic locations, IP addresses, names, partial dates of birth, social media profiles, no passwords.

[00:54:19] And frankly that other information is all either publicly available or inaccurate. So I’m not super mad about that, but um,

[00:54:26] Brett: [00:54:26] Using different passwords on every website, uh, nod to one password.

[00:54:32] Christina: [00:54:32] yeah, of

[00:54:32] Brett: [00:54:32] so password passwords in a breach don’t have to be, uh, super dangerous if you use the breached password on every other website,

[00:54:43] Christina: [00:54:43] that, that’s how people get hacked. That’s how people get hacked. Like that’s how people get into stuff. Like, and that’s also how people are able to find out other information. And, and we’ve seen that before. Like, uh, I remember when the Gawker hack happened, that there were a number of people like, um, the Gawker commenting hack.

[00:54:57] I remember this, this was 2014. [00:55:00] Maybe might’ve been 2013. Um, there were a number of people that I worked with who then had their social media accounts or other emails or things violated because of that. Um, and so, um, a lot of these things, yeah, it’s one of those like, like I’m, I’m looking at kind of this list and, um, I’ve changed the passwords and all those things.

[00:55:19] But I, I was already at the point where I was using unique passwords for these things, but, but the, the bigger thing is that your passwords not a big deal, but some of the stuff like. Your phone number, if that’s there or your date of birth or, you know, other stuff. Cause then people can use that for like

[00:55:35] Brett: [00:55:35] theft.

[00:55:35] Christina: [00:55:35] exactly.

[00:55:36] Although, you know what we were in the United States, we’re all fucked because Equifax is hack. So like, you know,

[00:55:44] Brett: [00:55:44] been fucked for awhile.

[00:55:45] Christina: [00:55:45] yeah, no, but I mean, in that case, like it’s your social security number? Like, like, wow, I’m still mad. Whenever I think about that

[00:55:54] Brett: [00:55:54] Yeah,

[00:55:55] Christina: [00:55:55] and they were like, Oh, here’s a year maybe of free credit monitoring.

[00:55:59] Fuck [00:56:00] you like monitor my credit for life. Honestly like monitor my creditor for life. You assholes you absolute vultures anyway.

[00:56:08] Brett: [00:56:08] Yeah. You should not be allowed to have that much data about a person. If you cannot afford the, uh, the security on it.

[00:56:21] Christina: [00:56:21] Yeah, I agree. I agree. Like, especially for something like that, if you’re grabbing someone’s social security, like I’m still angry that Equifax is still in business, but there’s still one of the three reporting agencies. Like, should that not be disqualifying? Like in your opinion, like, I feel like that should be disqualifying of you being allowed to be in business

[00:56:38] Brett: [00:56:38] Well, I think

[00:56:39] Christina: [00:56:39] you violate things to

[00:56:40] Brett: [00:56:40] Sachs by the same logic, Goldman Sachs shouldn’t exist anymore either after the financial crash, like too big to fail. I mean, you know,

[00:56:52] Christina: [00:56:52] I mean, I guess, I don’t know. I feel like the, well, the bank, I feel a little bit differently only insofar as there were a number of banks that did fail. Right. [00:57:00] Um, and I would also say like the, the trickle down effect of a failing bank is significant and could be like, like devastating for a lot of regular people,

[00:57:15] Brett: [00:57:15] credit reporting wouldn’t have that same effect though.

[00:57:18] Christina: [00:57:18] could accept, like you have experience and you have whatever the other one is.

[00:57:23] So. I, I can’t remember his, his, his experienced Equifax does another one. And so it’s not as if they’re the only one, I don’t know. Maybe they should still be able to exist. What bothered me that this was the one thing that bothered me and I’m still mad about was that even after that, they still want some sort of like multi-billion dollar bid from the government for, for new business.

[00:57:43] I’m like, Oh fuck you, you know, like, like pull the bid government. Like, I don’t care if no one else bid on it fricking pullet and, and go to their competitors and be like, Hey, would you like this money? Because I’m sure that, that they would be much more willing to put together an [00:58:00] RFP. Um, in light of that, I don’t know.

[00:58:04]Brett: [00:58:04] yeah.

[00:58:05] Christina: [00:58:05] you’re right though. It’s it’s not easy to just be like, yeah, just get rid of them. And just, it just bothers me that that Equifax continues to be able to operate the way they operate when their security practices were so lax

[00:58:19] Brett: [00:58:19] I feel much the same about Trump

[00:58:21]Christina: [00:58:21] Well, yeah, but

[00:58:23] Brett: [00:58:23] only be allowed to make so many mistakes before you are just, uh, just removed from, uh, the public. See, I brought it back around to politics,

[00:58:34]Christina: [00:58:34] it is, we’re a sensibly show about mental health and technology and Taylor Swift. But, uh, but this was a, this was a very politic heavy episode, which is, which is okay. Um, we’re, we’re going over, but I did want to ask you before I close out, have you, did you watch the original real world?

[00:58:52]Brett: [00:58:52] the like the very first season. Yes.

[00:58:56] Christina: [00:58:56] Okay. So paramount plus has been doing [00:59:00] this homecoming series where they have the entire original cast back together after 29 years. And they were reunited in the same loft that they lived in 30 years ago or 29 years ago. And it has been oddly compelling. And I would like to talk to you about it more in the future, but I just didn’t know if you’ve been watching the real world, if you you’d, if you’d seen the original seat series or not.

[00:59:22] Brett: [00:59:22] Like I was, you know, back before reality TV was like a bad word to me. Yeah. The real world was interesting. Um,

[00:59:29] Christina: [00:59:29] it was awesome,

[00:59:30] Brett: [00:59:30] don’t know if I could do it again though.

[00:59:33] Christina: [00:59:33] Well, I mean, I’m not saying that you should watch the whole thing. It just be more of interesting thing. I’ve been listening to a podcast, um, true story, uh, with, um, Dave Holmes suits, formerly of MTV and, um, Mike Dowdy, um, who was, uh, who who’s a musician who was with 'em, um, Fuck.

[00:59:50] Um, now I can’t think of the name of a soul coughing. Um, there we go. Um, the band soul coughing and see how he’s had an independent, um, career. Um, but [01:00:00] he, uh, um, their podcast is actually really good about it is really good on it. But, um, I, uh, the final episode like launched today and I’ve, it’s made me think about reality TV and stuff, and we’re over, over time that, but I just was curious if you’d watch the original series, because it is interesting seeing those original seven people back together again and seeing like who’s changed and who’s good and who’s bad.

[01:00:30] And, um, yeah, it’s, it’s, it’s actually been strangely compelling.

[01:00:36]Brett: [01:00:36] Imagine if we did like an overtired over time and had like a Patrion for people to like pay extra, to hear us when we just can’t stop talking.

[01:00:49]Christina: [01:00:49] Let us know on our discord or on Twitter, if you would be interested in paying for that.

[01:00:54] Brett: [01:00:54] I doesn’t matter. I can’t do it. I can’t, I don’t have the attention span to [01:01:00] do more than an hour. I just, I just, I just can’t do it. I’m sorry. People, I’m sorry to the thousands of people who are about to request that. Uh, I just, I’m sorry. Yeah.

[01:01:11]Christina: [01:01:11] Fair enough. Fair enough. All right.

[01:01:15] Brett: [01:01:15] Yeah, I guess that, that wraps up a bit of a weird week.

[01:01:19] Christina: [01:01:19] Yeah. Yeah. It was just, I’m totally going to take responsibility for, I’m sorry. I’ve been

[01:01:23] Brett: [01:01:23] You always take the blame for everything it’s never entirely your fault.

[01:01:27] Christina: [01:01:27] now this week it is, and it’s fine.

[01:01:29]Brett: [01:01:29] yeah. Get some sleep.

[01:01:32]Christina: [01:01:32] Get some sleep, Brett.