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Brett: [00:00:00] [00:00:00] Hello, you’re listening to overtired. I’m Brett Terpstra and I am here with Christina Warren. How are you, Christina?

[00:00:11] Christina: [00:00:11] I’m pretty good bread. Except right before we started recording you were, you were, you were unfairly dismissive of our podcasts, like muse, like the, there is on Detra for this podcast. You were, you were unfairly dismissive of, so other than that though, no, I’m actually pretty good. How are you?

[00:00:31] Brett: [00:00:31] Um, I, so I slept really well last night for maybe the best sleep I’ve gotten in a long time, which is surprising given how excited I was about my, my big secret news, but how are, how are you doing?

[00:00:47] Christina: [00:00:47] similarly, right. Like I had, um, Are really good sleep. Um, and it was one of those things where like, and it wasn’t one of those situations where I had to like, get super high to go to sleep. So I slept for, [00:01:00] cause that happens sometimes. Like if I take like an edible or whatever, I’m like,

[00:01:03] Brett: [00:01:03] sleep well, if you’re high.

[00:01:05] Christina: [00:01:05] Oh yeah.

[00:01:06] Brett: [00:01:06] Oh man. I never like back. I never got like a really, truly restful sleep on any, any

[00:01:13] Christina: [00:01:13] Well, okay. I’m not sure if I would call it a restful, but it is one of those things where it’s just like black and, and then I just wake up and I’m like, Oh, okay, cool. Um, no, but in this case I’m going to have some weird dreams which happens sometimes, but it was a fairly, like a consistent and long period of sleep.

[00:01:31] And I went to bed like before 10:00 PM. And so it was one of those things where I got like a lot of sleep, so yeah.

[00:01:39] Brett: [00:01:39] Yeah. So I got to tell you my big news.

[00:01:42] Christina: [00:01:42] I was going to say, please tell us your big news breads health club corner, as well as a Brett’s news corner. Cause I think these two are probably going to be related even if not directly. What’s the big news.

[00:01:52] Brett: [00:01:52] So you know that, uh, that thing with Oracle it’s happening. I’m part of a [00:02:00] developer relations team. I am my, the job title is like technical writer, but it’s like a full like multimedia they’re going to make use of all of the skills that I’ve honed ever since my days at two plus my development experience.

[00:02:15] And it is, I have never felt like a job was more tailored to me.

[00:02:22]Christina: [00:02:22] no,

[00:02:23] Brett: [00:02:23] of the industry for a decade. And in the meantime, as L put it, the industry grew a job for me.

[00:02:30] Christina: [00:02:30] no, she’s exactly right. That’s the perfect way of putting it. And it’s so funny because when you and I were talking on systematic about. My shift from journalism to developer relations and, and advocacy. And, um, our jobs are going to be solar, like not the same, but, but, but similar in some ways, and, and, uh, whatnot, I kind of felt the same way when I was talking to you, even I was thinking, I was like, God, you know, it pro wanted something like this.

[00:02:53] Like, he’d be a great developer advocate or, or a technical writer or whatever, but you’d be great in dev role. I’ve always [00:03:00] thought that, so this is so exciting. This is so awesome. And Ella is exactly right. They built a job for you. They, they th th the industry grew because you know, what I think happened is that people have seen like that the most effective way to connect in and communicate with communities.

[00:03:18]Is having people who are naturally part of those communities who have already naturally on their own been doing what you and I have done, like our whole careers, which is to, you know, blog and chat with people and do podcasts and, and create fun side projects. Like you even more than me. But like, I, cause I’ve always been really interested in telling the stories and figuring out what stuff is and highlighting stuff.

[00:03:41] But like you’ve also had that component where you’ve built so much cool stuff. Um, and that really resonates with people and it builds trust because they know that like, if you say try this, this is cool. Or this is how you can do something. Like you have credibility and then you also have like integrity.

[00:03:59] So, [00:04:00] you know, if something sucks, like you’re not gonna do a whole thing on it.

[00:04:03] Brett: [00:04:03] There’s like, uh, I’m going to have to be learning new stuff all the time.

[00:04:08] Christina: [00:04:08] Which is so good for

[00:04:09] Brett: [00:04:09] they be like here, write about how Oracle works with TensorFlow and I’ll be like, all right, let’s sit down and do some coursework real quick. Um, so yeah, I’m kind of excited about that part. I’m also like I’ve been an indie developer I’ve lost count almost 10 years, I think.

[00:04:27] And I will say that it does not provide a lot of financial stability. So just the idea of having a salary and, uh, and benefits and like a monthly paycheck like that. That’s why last night I slept, like I thought I was going to be too excited to sleep. Cause I just found this out yesterday.

[00:04:48] Um, And then I thought like, Oh geez, that I might not sleep at all, but I did. And, and I slept like, like a stress-free [00:05:00] anxiety-free sleep. It was kind of amazing.

[00:05:03] Christina: [00:05:03] No, this is so good. And, and this is where it does. And I’m going to ask you, like, uh, obviously not like not very specific questions and whatnot, but, um, this is the full-time role, right? Like this isn’t a contract role. Okay. So

[00:05:15] Brett: [00:05:15] salary position.

[00:05:17] Christina: [00:05:17] fantastic. So that does mean that like, I mean, not, I think you were on Medicaid before or whatever, so you have pretty good insurance, but like, this is going to be a potentially an even like, better level than that, because you won’t have to go through certain things.

[00:05:30] So like, I’m assuming, like it’s a big company, it’s a, you know, a multi, multi multi-billion dollar company. So, um, how do you feel to like, not be in like healthcare, like purgatory.

[00:05:46]Brett: [00:05:46] Yeah, no, the benefits package is outstanding.

[00:05:49] I have never felt more, um, happy with, uh, with, with compensation. This is, yeah, it’s going to be amazing. I’m a [00:06:00] little worried that it’s going to affect my, like, I’m very open about mental health and, uh, I’m very open about, uh, how I feel about things. Uh, maybe not to the extent you are, you’re very open about how you feel like things in Microsoft hasn’t fired you.

[00:06:17] Christina: [00:06:17] No, they haven’t. No, they haven’t even yelled at me. So, um,

[00:06:21] Brett: [00:06:21] worried that I’ll censor myself more.

[00:06:23] Christina: [00:06:23] you probably will. I mean, look, I’m going to, this is the hilarious thing. I actually do censor myself more. Um, there are things that I won’t say, but there’s like a line and you you’ll fill the line. You’ll know it also, they hired you, you went through a background check, they know who you are, but that’s the thing that I would, I would tell yourself, like, if they’re not, if they’re not unknown, like you’re not an unknown entity, this isn’t something where they went into this, like without knowing something and part of.

[00:06:52] Why they hired you, candidly is because of your social reach. Like that’s not even a remotely small part of it. That’s actually a pretty major part of it is [00:07:00] obviously your skills and whatnot. But it’s the fact that so many people know you and the reach that you have, that’s why they hired you. So

[00:07:07] Brett: [00:07:07] Yeah,

[00:07:08] Christina: [00:07:08] to me, like I know that also know that yeah.

[00:07:12] I mean, I would definitely become aware of whatever the company guidelines are, uh, so that you don’t reach them because you don’t want to lose a job.

[00:07:19] Brett: [00:07:19] right, right.

[00:07:20] Christina: [00:07:20] but find out what the guidelines are and then find out like where to fit in that. And. There are some things like I’ve, I don’t know, like they’re bare ways that they’re, they’re things that like I kind of sometimes want to comment on.

[00:07:34] And then I think, and I’m like, you know what? I don’t have to comment on this. Like, which I think you would have less of an issue with than I would, because you don’t comment on everything. And, and so like, I’m, I’m, I’m, I’m very opinionated and, and what I’ve learned, and this is going to be hilarious for people who listen to this pod, especially cause I’m much less like this is the most like me that I probably am on any podcast that I do for sure.

[00:07:59] Uh, [00:08:00] in no small part, because it’s, I think probably like a, it’s not a, it’s, it’s a smaller listenership and it’s more intimate. These are people who know us for us and who’ve been with us awhile. So, uh, it feels even though it’s still just every bit as public as anything else, it feels more intimate anyway, uh, which might be, you know, a bad like calculus on my part, but fuck it.

[00:08:24] Uh,

[00:08:24] Brett: [00:08:24] still public. It’s still out there for everybody.

[00:08:28] Christina: [00:08:28] Oh, I’m aware. I’m aware. Just saying which again, I’m saying like, could be a bad calculus on my part, but again, fuck it. But no, it’s one of those things. I think sometimes I’m like, okay, do I have to comment on this outrage, controversy, whatever thing that’s happening. And sometimes I’m like, no, you know what?

[00:08:41] You don’t like, you don’t need to get involved in this fight or this war or any of this stuff. But if it’s something like. The black lives matter stuff that was happening over the summer. I was like at no problem being public about that. And the company was supportive of that, but there are lines, right?

[00:08:57] Like I’m not going to call for violence. I’m not going to call [00:09:00] for, you know, like hate or, or try to, you know, um, like, uh, you know, direct harassment or whatever towards anyone. I mean, there are other things for me, the biggest line and, um, is that I don’t insult the company products. I might make fun of the naming sometimes ingest.

[00:09:17] And I might like harken back to like bad stuff from the past, like in, in a, in a way that’s clearly done with love, but. We are like, I work at a, you know, trillion and a half dollar company that has a bajillion lines of business and not everything that like Microsoft makes, I think is fantastic. So I don’t talk about the stuff that I don’t think is great.

[00:09:41] I’m going to do in that courtesy. I’m not going to lie and be like, Oh, this thing is awesome. If I think that it’s not, but I’m not going to, I’m not going to talk badly about it. And so I feel like Oracle is going to be a similar thing. Like you don’t have to talk about the stuff that you don’t think is great.

[00:09:56] You don’t have to promote it. They’re not paying you for that, but you don’t [00:10:00] have to in shouldn’t and I don’t think you ever would anyway, publicly comment when it’s bad,

[00:10:05] Brett: [00:10:05] Yeah, no. I mean like my entire, uh, blogging career, I have never published, uh, like hit pieces because if something doesn’t make me happy, it’s not worth my time. Like I write about things I love and that can come across as like, he loves everything, but I just ignore the stuff that, that doesn’t live up to my expectations.

[00:10:31]Christina: [00:10:31] exactly. I mean, I’m, I’m similar. Like I, I do like bitch and complain about stuff, but the stuff that I really care about, I mean, and this is what I hear from people who. Like my stuff, who I work with. And, and it’s interesting because I get feedback sometimes from people who I work with and, and by feedback, I mean, positive feedback, uh, I’m always interested.

[00:10:48] It’s always interesting. There’s some people that I work with who get shit for their tweets and their social posts. And then I’m like way more out there. And I don’t, I’m setting myself up for this, as I’m saying this to probably get screamed at for stuff. [00:11:00] But, um, but I’ve also been doing this a very long time.

[00:11:03] So I feel like I have a good understanding of the line and the thing that I hear consistently. And I think this is absolutely true for you because this is part of the reason why we’re friends and what attracted us to working together and doing our podcasts and stuff is like bridges, where you get excited about stuff.

[00:11:18] We like it. We love stuff. That’s fun. And, and for me, like, I don’t ever want to be. Like similar to you. Like if it, if it doesn’t make me happy, I might bitch about it on Twitter because Twitter is my hobby. Actually, a friend of mine pointed that out yesterday because we, we all worked at the same place, which was very dramatic and very chaotic.

[00:11:38] And, um, we all are no longer at that place. And we were talking about, okay, because one of our friends is about to start a new job and they’re like, what am I going to do? And I don’t have this, this drama and this chaos. They’re like, you’re going to get hobbies. She’s like, I wonder what my hobbies is going to be.

[00:11:52] You know, Christina’s is Twitter. And I was like, Oh yeah, that’s true. Twitter is my hobby. Um, but like, if, if you don’t have [00:12:00] something like that, like you’re just going to share the stuff you’re excited about and the cool stuff you do, and what’s going to be great for them is you’re going to figure out ways to do cool stuff with their different services and APIs, and that’s going to be awesome, but you’re also still going to be able to, when it fits work on your own stuff, I have a feeling that’s going to be the thing that is going to be.

[00:12:19]Not the hardest for you, but maybe the thing they’ll take the most time for you to like, figure out the balance is not feeling guilty when you let some of your side projects and stuff, not take top priority and that’s okay. Like it’s going to be okay to be like, I’m still gonna update the blog, still going to do my podcast, but I can let stuff go a little bit because I have this other priority, which is paying me a salary.

[00:12:47] Brett: [00:12:47] See, I want to keep doing over tired, but if I had to let something go, I would probably let systematic go. It’s like, I love the show. I feel like, um, I’m [00:13:00] proud of the work I’ve done there. Uh, but it takes a lot of time with scheduling and then interviewing, and then it always takes way more editing than this show does.

[00:13:10] And it’s, it’s an easily, three times more time consuming than overtired.

[00:13:15] Christina: [00:13:15] Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and what I would say for that, I mean, you’ll get the gist of things. Like you can always make it quarterly or, or make, you know what I mean? Like you can always adjust to the, the frequency.

[00:13:25] Brett: [00:13:25] Quarterly once every three months. That that was our schedule for a little while.

[00:13:32] Christina: [00:13:32] It was. I mean, if you make a consistent, our problem is we weren’t consistent. And part of the reason that ours was so crazy was candidly. It was me, was my job. I was in other countries all the time and I didn’t have time and we didn’t have sponsors at that point. So it was one of those things where we didn’t need to be like,

[00:13:50] Brett: [00:13:50] also, I burnt out, like there

[00:13:53] Christina: [00:13:53] you burnt out too.

[00:13:54] Yeah.

[00:13:54] Brett: [00:13:54] a year and a couple of months that I wasn’t doing systematic either. I just, I, I burnt out

[00:14:00] [00:14:00] Christina: [00:14:00] Yes. Okay. So we were burnt out. We weren’t, we didn’t have like the pull of a sponsor to, you know, bring us in and then you know, which, which, which is a important thing. And, um, then like also I had my day job and my, my work comes first. Right? Like that’s, that’s what keeps me like living in nice shortens and, um, paid for by health insurance.

[00:14:24] And so, yeah. You know, like you, you make those choices.

[00:14:29] Brett: [00:14:29] Yeah, no, this, this, this is, um, a life-changing step for me. Uh, everything the world looks different to me today and I loved being an indie developer. I loved, uh, the schedule and the life I carved out for myself in that manner. But yeah, no, this, this feels right. This feels really good.

[00:14:51] Christina: [00:14:51] I’m so happy for you. So when, when, when do you start?

[00:14:54] Brett: [00:14:54] There’s going to be like the whole onboarding process, but within the next, we’ll say month, [00:15:00] uh, depending on how all the paperwork goes,

[00:15:03] Christina: [00:15:03] That’s fantastic. I’m so happy for you. I’m so happy for you. Welcome to the, um, Oh my God. You can now be one of those annoying people who uses an avocado as your emoji in your, um, on your Twitter,

[00:15:15] Brett: [00:15:15] why would I do that?

[00:15:16] Christina: [00:15:16] because you’re a dev avocado.

[00:15:19] Brett: [00:15:19] Uh, no,

[00:15:21] Christina: [00:15:21] I know,

[00:15:23] Brett: [00:15:23] not going to do that. Not going to happen.

[00:15:25] Christina: [00:15:25] I don’t do that

[00:15:26] Brett: [00:15:26] I will, I will, I will maintain my, uh, my Twitter avatar, always being some weird yoga pose.

[00:15:33]Christina: [00:15:33] Fair. I like that.

[00:15:35] Brett: [00:15:35] Yeah. Um, um, um, we have a sponsor for, we have only one sponsor today. So this is not going to be a show where, uh, like 30 minutes of it is dedicated to talking about

[00:15:49] Christina: [00:15:49] Thank you. Thank you to our great listeners who haven’t unsubscribed

[00:15:53] Brett: [00:15:53] Right? I’ll be honest. That one episode we did where literally half the show was just talking about [00:16:00] sponsors. We actually got in trouble with the sponsors for talking about them too much.

[00:16:05]Christina: [00:16:05] That’s our bad that’s because we’re bad

[00:16:09] Brett: [00:16:09] I got good feedback from listeners though. Who thought it was very entertaining that I went into, uh, like off on tangents during a kitty poo read or talking about like separate beds when we were, yeah.

[00:16:23] Anyway, we’ll keep today’s concise. How’s that?

[00:16:28] Christina: [00:16:28] that. Sounds good.

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[00:17:43] Right now I’m reading a book called Clara in the sun and I can’t, the author’s name is Japanese. I’m gonna, I’m gonna guess. It’s Kazuo Ishiguro, which is probably a hundred percent wrong, but the book has me [00:18:00] completely hooked. Um, I’m like, it’s been super charming up to this point, but they’ve set up like four different ways that it could go really dark.

[00:18:08] I have no idea how this book ends, but I’m absolutely riveted. Um, actually have like four books going right now at once. Uh, I was jumping around, but Clara and the sun has me riveted. Um,

[00:18:23] Christina: [00:18:23] I’m I’m listening to truth lies and O-rings inside the space shuttle challenger disaster.

[00:18:28] Brett: [00:18:28] Oh, wow. That sounds intense.

[00:18:31] Christina: [00:18:31] It is it’s 26 hours.

[00:18:33] Brett: [00:18:33] Who wrote it?

[00:18:34] Christina: [00:18:34] Uh, it’s written by Alan J. McDonald and James R. Hansen. And it’s considered like one of the, like it’s considered like the definitive, um, kind of like investigation into the challenger disaster, which, um, I’ve been obsessed with since I was 10 years old and I was born like a year before it happened.

[00:18:54] So, uh, it’s one of those things that, um, I, uh, shouldn’t be [00:19:00] like totally obsessed with, but yet have been for weird reasons my whole life. So it’s really good. Yeah.

[00:19:07] Brett: [00:19:07] Yeah, I was in grade school. We were watching it on a TV in the classroom.

[00:19:12] Christina: [00:19:12] Yeah, so many kids were, which is horrifying. Um, it’s actually interesting, like fun note and then we’ll end our a read. It’s why Peggy Lipton still has a career because she wrote Reagan’s famous and very good speech that he gave after the disaster that was like considered one of the best political speeches of the last 50 years.

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[00:20:41] Christina: [00:20:41] Okay. Now we get to finally talk about the real news, like congrats on your job and everything. That’s awesome.

[00:20:45] Brett: [00:20:45] Whatever, whatever Taylor Swift, blah, blah, blah.

[00:20:48] Christina: [00:20:48] exactly, exactly. Taylor Swift one, uh, like record for a woman anyway. Um, third album of the year, Grammy for folklore. [00:21:00]

[00:21:00]Brett: [00:21:00] Yay.

[00:21:02] Christina: [00:21:02] No, that’s a big deal. I know it was a good album. I know you didn’t like the album as much and that, that you thought it was sad,

[00:21:07] Brett: [00:21:07] No, just to be fair. I don’t care about any Grammys.

[00:21:10] Christina: [00:21:10] I don’t

[00:21:11] Brett: [00:21:11] not a dis on Taylor specifically,

[00:21:14] Christina: [00:21:14] I really don’t care about them either to be honest, except she cares so much and she’d be like pretends, like she doesn’t, but we have, especially if you watched her documentary, which you have to watch because it’s really good. Uh, but if you watch miss Americana, like, it is very much like a, uh, uh, uh, psyche, like, like profile of her, like, you know, we’ve spent years like dissecting her like emotional problems.

[00:21:39]Brett: [00:21:39] professionally. Yes.

[00:21:41] Christina: [00:21:41] Right. The documentary does that, like it says just as well, all I’m saying is, turns out we weren’t wrong, Brett, on a lot of our stuff with her. So, um, w which makes me love her more because I’m like, yes, all the things I picked up on that like, I love her for is very much accurate [00:22:00] into completely. No, she, but, uh, she one, um, I didn’t know she was going to win or not because the Wars were weird this year.

[00:22:07] A it’s a weird year. Did you awards in general? Because it feels like the last year didn’t happen and so much stuff that came out of like art is weird. Uh that’s actually why, I’m glad she won because so many of the other albums that were nominated for album of the year, either came out, you know, before the pandemic started or were clearly started before the pandemic did and like sound like normal albums and don’t.

[00:22:33] In any way, like, feel like they were products of like, what actually happened in 2020, which to me, I’m sorry, is disconcerting that the song of the year was, is it’s called, um, I can’t breathe. And it, it was, you know, very much an illusion to, um, all of the, um, you know, uh, police violence against, um, um, uh, black people.

[00:22:53] Um, but that was from a relatively unknown, um, songwriter or [00:23:00] her who was very good, but like that song, you know, has zero radio play and zero, uh, kind of name recognition and whatnot. Um, whereas folklore, um, even if I think if you, you didn’t like it, I think L might have liked it more than you did, but like it’s, um, very much a product of, of.

[00:23:19] Isolation and pandemic. And like, you feel all that with that. So I was, so I was really glad that, that at one, but she was nominated for five awards. She only won that one. And that’s why that’s one of the things that’s weird is that not always do people sweep it like last year, for instance, Billie Eilish won the big, um, like she went across the board, she won the whole like category.

[00:23:38] She went and record album song, um, and, um, uh, like think like pop vocal, like she got like all of the categories and, um, Taylor was, uh, nominated for five. She only won that one. So it was a different person who run record of the year artists at the year, um, or not ours, the Euro record of the year song of the year and, um, uh, [00:24:00] um, album of the year.

[00:24:01] So all of those were different, which is not common. You usually have, um, some sort of like at least somebody repeating and one of those things, Beyonce queen B also, uh, one’s Grammy’s N she always gets shut out of the major categories, which is weird and. There’s definitely a racial component to that, but she is now the most or tied as the most awarded Grammy person, like ever performer anyway, like she’s 27 now, um, which she deserves every single one, but, uh, yeah, I was worried that Taylor wasn’t going to win and they had her in the front row.

[00:24:38] So it was weird because they only had the attendees present for what categories they were up for. So it wasn’t the typical thing where like they did it outdoors and they presumably had some people in crowds. They had weird crowd noise, but it was very clearly like a laugh tracky clap tracky thing. It didn’t make a lot of sense.

[00:24:57] It was, it was, I didn’t love it. [00:25:00] Um, but they had like these tables, they were outside of like the staple center and they were all, you know, separated by, you know, six feet and every person, even though they’re outdoors was wearing masks and they were able to be there with like one other person at their table.

[00:25:13]And it was a different setup for each nomination for each major category that they were presenting or whatever. And so they had her in the front and I was like, are they going to have her in the front and then have her lose? Like, that’s pretty shitty, right? Like that’s not cool. And then, and then part of you was like, Oh no, but they wouldn’t do that to her.

[00:25:32] Cause she even came and performed and her performance was really good. And I was like, no, they wouldn’t do that to her. And like, unlike a lot of the other rewards where they will bring out the price, Waterhouse, Cooper people to like, be like the integrity of this, you know, uh, award is, is, uh, this and that.

[00:25:46] And we haven’t seen the results and we don’t know. And, and we know that because when they made the flub and the Oscars, um, four years ago, one of the greatest live TV moments ever when they announced the wrong winner for best [00:26:00] picture as law land and it turned out to actually be, um, um, for, um, what was it, a midnight?

[00:26:06] Um, uh,

[00:26:07]Brett: [00:26:07] Are you waiting for me to fill in the blank? Cause I can’t.

[00:26:11] Christina: [00:26:11] Yeah, I’m I’m at best picture 2016. Um, is, uh, now the

[00:26:18] Brett: [00:26:18] They died cowboy.

[00:26:19] Christina: [00:26:19] No, it was Moonlight. That’s it? I’m sorry. I could see the poster in my head. It was Moonlight. Um, so, so when they made that flub, like the reason that they could do that is because the crew had no idea. Like the producers don’t know who wins the Grammys I’m 98% sure is not like that.

[00:26:41] Like, it’s not one of those things where like, MTV, they absolutely know the winners in advance I’m, but I’m pretty sure, like, and everybody involved knows the winners in advanced. I’m pretty sure that they call people in are like, we’re not going to tell you what you won, but you won something. Will you please show up?

[00:26:57] But the Grammys, [00:27:00] somebody, I feel like in the control room at least like knows. I think, I feel, I feel, I feel, I don’t want to like definitively say that. So that was the one thing in my mind. I was like, Oh, they wouldn’t put her up front just to like have her lose because she would never show up again.

[00:27:17] Cause she’s petty like that. But no, but she won and I was very excited also her performance, which is like a medley of songs from folklore and evermore. Very good. It was, I, um, it was not the wop form of performance, which was interesting. Uh, and uh, one of those things that I did actually questioned, I was like, okay, Janet Jackson got canceled for, you know, showing like curb boob for a quarter of a second and this which there’s no nudity.

[00:27:44] And to be clear, I didn’t have a problem with her performance, but it was very, very, very MTV. And I’m like, this is this sort of thing that normally would get people like upset, but I don’t think anybody watched. So I don’t think there was a lot of outrage. So, so Taylor won. [00:28:00] Yay.

[00:28:00] Brett: [00:28:00] Hey, did we get through Taylor?

[00:28:03] Christina: [00:28:03] Shut up. This is important to me and to our, and our listeners, our listeners care about our tailored discourse. No, yes, we’re. We’re done with Taylor.

[00:28:10] Brett: [00:28:10] I can name at least two listeners who, who asked me to let them know when we have Taylor free episodes so they can go listen,

[00:28:18] Christina: [00:28:18] Awesome. Great. They can skip through that. If we put in chapter markers, they can shift through

[00:28:22] Brett: [00:28:22] It’s two people.

[00:28:24] Christina: [00:28:24] That’s like half our audience.

[00:28:25] Brett: [00:28:25] Oh, stop. That’s not true.

[00:28:28] Christina: [00:28:28] I know. I

[00:28:29] Brett: [00:28:29] We have tens of hundreds of listeners. Yeah. I, I have watched more of the Brittany Spears documentary than I have of the, uh, Taylor Swift documentary. And I haven’t watched the Billie Eilish documentary.

[00:28:45] Christina: [00:28:45] I know we were both supposed to watch that, but you had work stuff and I had work stuff. Um, the Billy one I’ve heard is really good. There’s also a Demi Lovato one that I’m kind of excited about. And I hate to me Lavato laminate is great,

[00:29:00] [00:29:00] Brett: [00:29:00] Yeah, I know. I’m just saying as long as we were talking about like music, music related

[00:29:06] Christina: [00:29:06] Well, I didn’t expect, I’m going to be honest with you. I didn’t expect you to see lemonade.

[00:29:09]Brett: [00:29:09] I would this, we, we talk about Beyonce so little on this podcast. I feel like we’re doing a disservice, but I’ll be honest. I’ve never listened to an entire Beyonce song.

[00:29:22] Christina: [00:29:22] I was going to say you don’t, you’re not like this is our generational, like, this is our excuse. We’re close in age, but we’re not like, this is where our generational gap happens because Beyonce is like a year older than me. So she and I are firmly of like the same era and like, You’re you were just past that, like you just, you were never Destiny’s child you and you certainly would not have even entertained pop music when Destiny’s child was a thing like you would, you would have not even

[00:29:47] Brett: [00:29:47] you know, I got into like TLC a little bit.

[00:29:50] Christina: [00:29:50] yeah,

[00:29:51] Brett: [00:29:51] at least I could at least enjoy their songs that like high school dances.

[00:29:55] Christina: [00:29:55] Well, that’s what I’m saying, but by the time you’re out of high school. So imagine like five years after TLC, [00:30:00] would you want to listen to like a

[00:30:03] Brett: [00:30:03] I didn’t have high school dances anymore.

[00:30:05] Christina: [00:30:05] This is what I’m saying, right? So like you missed, this is my point also, and this is, and I have nothing but love for Destiny’s child and, and queen Beyonce herself, but TLC was a better group.

[00:30:17] Like they were more talented because the trio was talented. Whereas Destiny’s child, the joke was yeah, well, and the joke was, cause they kept firing numbers, which is hilarious. Uh, and, uh, and honestly, some of the reasons that those girls were fired was fucked up because her dad was the manager and her mom made their costumes.

[00:30:36] And the only other girl who was in it the whole time is her cousin. And like, it was, but it was clear from the beginning. Like, I mean, and I feel bad because I don’t want to be like, you knew what you got into. Cause like some of these girls got into it when they were like 11 years old. So like, no, you didn’t know what you got into, but your parents maybe should have.

[00:30:54] And I don’t want to even say how many parents would have that, like awareness, but it’s one of those things where I think [00:31:00] everybody was kind of like clean. They were like, no, like, um, This is the Beyonce show and the rest of you are our backgrounders and maybe you’ll get like a chance to sing a verse every now and then.

[00:31:11] Right. But like the reason why she was cast so perfectly in dream girls is because that is like the, you know, um, the story of the Supreme is essentially, and she is Diana Ross in that group. Right. Like she, like she was, um, but, um, I guess, I guess, uh, uh, let’s WIO would have been the, um, Effie, but anyway, I’m going to stop that analogy.

[00:31:35] But, um, so yeah, but you just barely missed said no, but, but TLC is better because they, um, a, they wrote their own music where they didn’t write all of it, but they wrote some of it like, like, uh, Lisa wrote her wraps and they were more involved in that. Whereas, you know, Destiny’s child was very much singing songs that other people had written in that were, would sound good with their voices.

[00:31:55] And there’s nothing wrong with that, but that’s just, that is a difference. And they [00:32:00] were, um, There’s an edge to TLC that you didn’t have, especially the first two albums that you didn’t have with, uh, Destiny’s child ever. Um, so yeah, and I, but anyway, that’s, that’s, I could, I’m going to stop now because I could actually continue to go on about, um, the discourse with, uh, nineties, um, girl groups, because the only two that really exist, not now, I will actually stop after I finish this thought.

[00:32:27] It’s interesting. I think about it. There are so many boy bands and, and boy groups like that’s goes, goes throughout history, even now, like BTS, like you see it, there are so few girl groups, like there are so few and it’s, uh, the, the two, you know, that I can literally name off the top of my head would be TLC and Beyonce and TLC, um, especially their, their second album, which, uh, sold like.

[00:32:52] 20 million records or something insane is like Seminole. Uh, but, uh, but I also love Destiny’s child and [00:33:00] Ben will never apologize for that because I danced at high school dances to Destiny’s child.

[00:33:06] Brett: [00:33:06] If you want, uh, me and me and the two aforementioned listeners, we can, we can just go for awhile. If you give me a time, we can come back.

[00:33:15] Christina: [00:33:15] Hi, I’m done. I’m sorry.

[00:33:16] Brett: [00:33:16] I forgive you. I

[00:33:17] Christina: [00:33:17] talk about sex stuff now. Let’s

[00:33:19] Brett: [00:33:19] so you know what? I realized that stupid, obvious, but it just dawned on me yesterday

[00:33:24] Christina: [00:33:24] What’s that

[00:33:25] Brett: [00:33:25] for every power tool I own. I have 30. Tiny screwdrivers.

[00:33:32] Like I have a tiny bit for every possible torics and Phillips head, you could imagine, but only

[00:33:40] Christina: [00:33:40] it.

[00:33:40] Brett: [00:33:40] the, Oh, I have multiple, I fix it toolkits. And some of the, I have one of their screwdrivers that like, you can, uh, it has like eight different heads in the handle

[00:33:52] Christina: [00:33:52] Oh,

[00:33:52] Brett: [00:33:52] you like slide the, you slide the driver part out and it pulls the, the bit [00:34:00] back inside and then you rotate the handle.

[00:34:02] And when you push it back, it has a different bit. I love that thing.

[00:34:05] Christina: [00:34:05] Awesome.

[00:34:06] Brett: [00:34:06] Um, and I have one that, uh, it’s just a little pocket screwdriver and it unscrews and on the inside, it holds eight different bits and you, it’s not as cool cause you have to like dump them onto your hand and find the one you want. But it’s very handy.

[00:34:21] I keep it on my desk all the time. I only own two. Three prong extension cords, but I have probably a hundred different USB cables in like eight different formats. I definitely, I could fix your sink. Like I can do it. I can even do some basic car maintenance, but I would rather take apart your computer.

[00:34:45] Christina: [00:34:45] Yeah. Yeah, no, I, I, so it is interesting. Cause I could take apart your computer. I could take apart like your graphics card. Um, I wouldn’t touch your power supply cause like I don’t want to die. Um, cause capacitors and, but [00:35:00] uh, and like stored energy and I don’t want to die, but I couldn’t take apart your sink.

[00:35:06] I couldn’t take apart carburetor. I’m freaked out. Even looking at those things. I think I’ve told you, I might’ve told you this before. Um, the only, it was weird. The thing that finally clicked with me about how like you’ve installed a head unit, like in a car, like if you’re installing like a, like a radio, you know, I guess this wouldn’t be like a Bluetooth, you know, CarPlay unit or whatever, but you know, the old days it used to be like a CD like head unit or whatever that whole process seems so foreign to me until like I finally looked at it and I was like, Oh, so it was like installing a, as a CD rom it’s like in selling a CD drive in a computer and then it was like, yeah.

[00:35:39] I was like, Oh, okay. Now I get it. Like, that was like, that was like the way that I had to put into it. So, um, I’m impressed. You can do both to be honest, but it also seems like all of your repair stuff is you’re like, please let me take apart your electronics.

[00:35:53] Brett: [00:35:53] I grew up with a very handyman mechanical father. Um, I, I should have learned a lot more than [00:36:00] I did, but through us, Moses, I picked up a lot of handiness

[00:36:05] Christina: [00:36:05] Yeah. Um, I wouldn’t say my dad is unhandy, but he’s not handy. Like we had a, uh, he had like a tool, um, like, um, what, what do they call it? Uh, like what’s, what’s the

[00:36:16] Brett: [00:36:16] work bench.

[00:36:17] Christina: [00:36:17] yeah, thank you. He had a work bench in the, in the garage and he had like a wall of tools and he had. You know stuff. Um, but I think that most of it was performative to be honest.

[00:36:28] Cause I don’t ever really recall him fixing anything. Like I guess he could technically if you need it to, but it was like, we’re just going to call someone. Um, he did take the chainsaw to his cast once, which is the most ethic, my dad thing ever. So what happened was he, um, he was hunting deer and he fell from like.

[00:36:49] Uh, 10 or 12 foot, like, um, uh, deer stand hunting, stand, whatever. And he tore the ligaments pretty severely in like his left or right leg. [00:37:00] And, um, he was fine other than like the whole ligament tear thing. And they put them in a cast and he had to shower, you know, with like a bag around it. And it was painful.

[00:37:10] He didn’t like it. And it was a pain in the ass. And you maybe when a week into this and my mom came downstairs and she sees little bits of like white fibers in the carpet and just small ones. Like not even big ones, just like sign, let me see your leg. No sign. Let me see your leg. No, that muscle fucker hobbled his way to the garage, got a chainsaw and cut off his cast because he was like, this is a pain in the ass.

[00:37:37] Um, but, um, yeah, I also, I’m a girl. And not to say that girls can’t be like, just as handy as boys. Cause obviously they can, but we’re in most cases still not socialized to do that. So for me was like, when I was, you know, in my like early teens and I started [00:38:00] getting into computers, that was when I first started taking stuff apart, which is late.

[00:38:04] Cause I, a lot of like boys and some girls too, like we’ll take apart, you know, their gadgets and stuff, much younger. But for me it was like, I need to upgrade the Ram in my computer and I need to put in a faster modem. So I’m going to have to figure out how to do this. So. All right. So, so you, you have all these tools.

[00:38:21] I think that was going to be a lead into your ultimate hacking keyboard.

[00:38:24] Brett: [00:38:24] You know, I, I actually was pondering a segue there. But it, yes, let’s just do that. Let’s say, um, speaking of tiny screws and things that I didn’t have to take apart. So, uh, previously on overtired, uh, you may recall that I had received the ultimate hacking keyboard version too, but it had the wrong bootloader and my options were to take it apart and solder it and, and do stuff with probes that I, I don’t even understand or to send it back to Hungary [00:39:00] and let them do it and send it back.

[00:39:02] So I, I went with the latter option. I got, it only took like a week, uh, this time and I had it back in my hands and I have been using it. And it is, I’m going to be when this is officially out and everyone, uh, can go purchase it. I mean, I guarantee there’ll be behind on orders cause it’s a small company and there’s a big demand, but.

[00:39:24] I will be very excited to talk to talk about this. It is it’s super cool.

[00:39:29] Christina: [00:39:29] Um, so, so can you share anything about it or,

[00:39:31] Brett: [00:39:31] sure. Um, I didn’t think I cared about RGB backlighting, but that is the most like prominent feature of V2. And, uh, so like it has all these different layers, mod keys, and mouse keys and function keys. And when you hold down any of the keys that trigger those layers, the lighting changes to show you not only what keys are assigned to that layer, but what kind of keys?

[00:39:57] So like modifier keys and [00:40:00] a mouse keys and regular keys and a combo keys. Like they all get different colors. So it’s very easy to remember. Cause my model layer is this bizarre collection of like things that mute my sound or skip tracks and things that are arrow keys and things that are mouse, movement keys.

[00:40:18] And it’s really cool to have it like color coded for me. I’m actually really digging that and it has hot swappable switches. So I got blue switches in this one, but what I really want to try are box white switches. I’ve never used box switches of any kind. And I’m very curious about them. So someday after I get bored with these blue switches, I am going to hot swap for box white switches.

[00:40:48]Christina: [00:40:48] That’s awesome. That’s awesome. So, um, the big, and also the big change for you because you weren’t really able to play with us before you’ve you obviously were one of the Kickstarter backers and like early enthusiast at the ultimate hacking [00:41:00] keyboard, the original one. Um, but you didn’t have all of the different, um, mod keys,

[00:41:06] Brett: [00:41:06] The modules they’ll like

[00:41:07] Christina: [00:41:07] The modules, right? Like the thumb modules, but you have them, but you have them now on this one, right? So w w I I’m really curious to hear from your perspective, um, what you think of those, because I know that one of our listeners, like had a really cool setup that we saw, like with his thumb modules of like, with the scrolling stuff.

[00:41:23] And that

[00:41:24] Brett: [00:41:24] pinky modules for like scrolling stuff. Yeah. Um,

[00:41:27] Christina: [00:41:27] just curious, like how you, if you have any of those set up, and if you’ve played with

[00:41:30] Brett: [00:41:30] Yeah, totally. Uh, as, as a beta tester, I’ve taken my responsibility very seriously. Um, the mouse modules are there, there it’s a cool idea. I, they won’t replace my track pad for me. Um, I’d like them for scrolling. Uh, it’s really handy to be able to scroll up and down while I’m at my fingers on the keyboard, but the key cluster module that adds three extra keys by my left thumb.

[00:41:57] That one I love I’ve gotten right now. It’s just [00:42:00] assigned to. Delete backspace and return. And I’ve gotten, uh, used to the delete key cause normally that’s function backspace. So it’s like a, a stretch from pinky to pinky. And now it’s just moving my thumb over an extra inch and I have a delete key and I’ve totally like my muscle memory is registered that, and I don’t have to.

[00:42:23] It’s just cool. It’s fun. Plus you can put those, uh, those three extra keys onto layers. So you can have them do different things with like the modern function layers, uh, which I haven’t developed the muscle memory for all the things I’ve tried yet, but I will like that that module is totally worth having. that module, in addition to three keys, it has a little track ball at the bottom with two buttons. So you can right now I have that set up for scrolling. I don’t use the buttons for clicking, but, uh, it’s kinda it’s all in one. So I don’t need the right hand modules. Uh, I, I, I [00:43:00] think they’re cool. I think some people will we’ll get into them.

[00:43:03] I, they don’t have right now, uh, accelerated squirrel, uh, movement. So like, if you want to move, if you have the track ball module on the right and you want to move your mouse across a 27 inch screen, little thumb movements.

[00:43:18] Christina: [00:43:18] Oh, see. So, so you have to do an individual thing for each one.

[00:43:23]Brett: [00:43:23] what do you mean?

[00:43:24] Christina: [00:43:24] Like, like you have to like flick and then flick again. And the flick again, like you can’t just go in a continuous motion,

[00:43:29] Brett: [00:43:29] Well, I mean, you can, but your thumb only moves so far.

[00:43:33] Christina: [00:43:33] right? No, I mean, I understand that. I’m just saying so, okay. So, so it goes, and then it pauses. So it’s, so it’s not a continuous.

[00:43:38] Brett: [00:43:38] Right.

[00:43:39] Christina: [00:43:39] That that’s what I’m trying to get. Like, cause when you were saying accelerated, I was assuming software accelerated, meaning that you didn’t have that like momentum scroll, like when you scroll down and you can go faster with more force.

[00:43:47] What you’re saying is there’s actually a limit to how far the, how, how the mechanism works.

[00:43:55] Brett: [00:43:55] Yeah. And I think that, I think that it’ll get better. I think they’ll improve on [00:44:00] that. Uh, but my feedback was pretty detailed on what I thought would make it better. Uh, but obviously like I have the modules I have and the software is where it’s at. So we’ll see how those develop. Uh, I think out of the, out of the three, I have a track ball attract point and attract pad module.

[00:44:20] And out of those three, I think I actually liked the track point, the best. Like I never had one of those PCs with like the J key or whatever. It was the little nipple in the middle compact, I think, used to make them.

[00:44:33] Christina: [00:44:33] I know it was a Lenovo.

[00:44:35] Brett: [00:44:35] yeah, I never had one of those. So I had never really used a track point of any kind.

[00:44:39] Christina: [00:44:39] Yeah, I’m not a fan personally,

[00:44:41] Brett: [00:44:41] yeah, if you’re using your thumb though, Attract attract pad. Like the angle gets weird. You actually have to rotate your wrist to get a straight across movement. Uh, and that could be adjusted software, but the track point feels a lot more intuitive [00:45:00] to me.

[00:45:00] Christina: [00:45:00] Yeah, no, I think that, that makes sense. And there are people who like S like swear by the nipple thing, like who loved that and who find the PR have amazing precision with that. I personally was never able to really get into it. I think I got close once. It was one of those things I had to like use, I was reviewing a laptop, I think.

[00:45:19] And I, I like forced myself. And after like the second or third day, I was like, okay, I can kind of get into this, but it was still not something that was gonna be second nature to me, but I could see, like, especially if you’re able to customize it the way that you can with this, that you could, you know, um, customize and, you know, make adjustments in the software that you could make that work for you.

[00:45:38] Brett: [00:45:38] Okay. Uh, so, uh, brain brain switched. Do you fidget?

[00:45:45] Christina: [00:45:45] Oh yeah.

[00:45:46] Brett: [00:45:46] Um, man, I, it has gotten really bad for me lately. I have this, I don’t know when I started doing it, but I, like, I rubbed the back of my fingernails against the Palm of my hand from like bass to fingertip and I go back and [00:46:00] forth and it’s not something I was doing consciously, but it’s become such a habit for me that I got like raw, like it actually hurts and I’ll find myself doing it and realize that I’m doing it.

[00:46:13] And my hands will be like stingy almost from doing it so much. And it’s just a light touch. It’s like a tickle almost. But you do that a thousand times. Oh man, I fidget has gotten bad for me. I need a, I need a new fidget toy.

[00:46:28] Christina: [00:46:28] Yeah. I fidget. And like, part of the reason that I bite my nails or whatever I think is I used to always blame it on anxiety and I’m sure that’s part of it, but I think a bigger part of it is just like, It’s a fidget thing. It’s just one of those things that I do is the same reason. Like there will be like, if I have, like, when I was little, I like this, I try not to do this now, but then usually I don’t have the scaps now, but like, if I would have like a scab or whatever, like, you know, like, you know, like you pick at it, you know, and there are other little things where if I would find like a, a bump on my skin or whatever, I’d be like, okay, I’m gonna like [00:47:00] fixate on that.

[00:47:01] They’re just, they’re things that, um, yeah, I definitely am a fidgeter,

[00:47:05] Brett: [00:47:05] Do you have a fit? Do you have a fidget toy that works for you?

[00:47:09] Christina: [00:47:09] but I should get one. My in general, my fidget toy is my phone. Um, the game threes is really good for me. The game three’s is like my favorite fidget toy. If I’m being totally

[00:47:19] Brett: [00:47:19] Absolutely. I have never been able to let go of threes.

[00:47:23] Christina: [00:47:23] me either, it’s one of my favorites and, and I’m still mad that like, um, uh, you know, uh, what was it like a 20, 48 or whatever, you know, like, like stole it and

[00:47:32] Brett: [00:47:32] But 20, 48 didn’t stick for me. Like I

[00:47:35] Christina: [00:47:35] No me either. I meet you, but it. Is another way as well, because they didn’t have the physics. I think for me, the physics of threes is just the way that it feels and is like springy.

[00:47:45] I don’t know it’s because I need that

[00:47:46] Brett: [00:47:46] is a perfect game

[00:47:48] Christina: [00:47:48] is a perfect game. So threes is one of those that I play in meetings to this day, all the time. Um, and I always have to explain to people and some people are open to this. Some people are absolutely

[00:48:00] [00:48:00] Brett: [00:48:00] better while you’re playing.

[00:48:02] Christina: [00:48:02] Yes. And some people are really open to that and some people are really not.

[00:48:05] And it’s kind of interesting because we are now having in the industry. Uh, and you’ll probably find this out more now that you’re going to be, and maybe you will, maybe you won’t be, maybe you won’t be more on, on, um, like a developer like corporate developer, Twitter, but in corporate developer, Twitter, There are all these conversations about how people work and about mental health and about, um, like ADHD and about other stuff and, um, ADHD, especially for people who’ve been diagnosed as adults has become this really big thing over the last, I would say 18 to 24 months, uh, which, um, is interesting and, and is great for me as someone who’s.

[00:48:43] I mean, I was technically diagnosed as a teenager, but, um, uh, I really didn’t like know that I had it until I was, um, a young adult. Um, you know, like, like probably like the 20, um, I would say that it was clear to me that it was more than just [00:49:00] the fact that, um, the medication was helping counteract some of the side effects that some of the other medications and that I’d kind of had this latent ADHD newness.

[00:49:11] My whole life just cause my perfectionism hit it so well. But, um, so it’s been great for me to like add these conversations cause you and I have obviously been very open about talking about our own struggles, um, and coping mechanisms for years. But now it’s becoming this weird industry conversation, which is great.

[00:49:26] But the hilarious thing is, is that a bunch of employers and people all want to be like, woke about it and woke about like how you can be accommodating to people with it. But I have still run into situations, obviously less working from home because people can’t see you unless you turn your camera on.

[00:49:42] But I have run into situations where, cause I always explained to managers and I did this at, in journalism jobs, done the separate room. Like, Hey, if I’m on my phone and I’m not looking at you, I’m so sorry. I know that’s rude, but this is literally the only way I can concentrate. Like this is how I deal with this.

[00:49:58] And you can ask [00:50:00] me, you know, follow up questions. I assure you I’m listening. If I’m not in it’s, you know, becoming like a thing, then we can talk about it. But like. This, this is my accommodation. This is what I need. And some people have been open to it. Some people like I would say most people probably don’t believe me when I say that.

[00:50:14] Right. I would say the, the initial reaction from most people, managers, people that I’ve told that to is that they say, okay, and then they’re rolling their eyes internally and being like she’s full of shit. And just must be on her phone with a lawyer over time. Is that cause I’ll pipe in and I’ll talk and have full understanding of everything that’s been said is that I’m actually correct.

[00:50:35] And, and that, that I’m focusing on. Exactly. You know, like I said, I was, but there’s some people who just dismiss that out of hand. And I had a manager at my job, um, who. He was kind of dismissive. In fact, when I told him about something, he was like, well, you’re just you like the way he I’d explained it to him early on.

[00:50:54] And when he was talking about how he gave a presentation and people didn’t seem engaged. And I was like, well, you know, I was listening, but I was, you [00:51:00] know, on my phone. Cause that’s what I do. He was like, well, yeah, that’s just like the way he said it about me. I was like, it was really dismissive. And it was really one of those things.

[00:51:07] I was like, this is really, this makes me feel pretty shitty to be honest. Um, so it’s interesting that like we’re now having all these conversations about adult fidget toys and about how we deal with our ADHD and whatnot. But at the same time, there is still, there’s like this latent disconnect, I think between like how accommodating and woken aware people want to appear in public and then how they act in private.

[00:51:33] But I will say it is at least getting better. And the fact that it is becoming like a public conversation that people like want to be on the right side of it is certainly a good thing. It’s certainly one of those things where we’re like. Well, yeah, play your game, play your plate player. Three’s game. Get your fidget toy.

[00:51:49] Brett: [00:51:49] I think in schools too, like I think, uh, like I’ve heard anyway, that teachers are making more accommodations for students who actually are going to [00:52:00] learn better if they’re allowed to fidget with something at their desks, because historically they would take away

[00:52:05] Christina: [00:52:05] they would take that away. Yes, no, they would take it away and they would, they would, it was terrible. Like I used to draw in class. I used to do other things. Like I remember I used to actually, it’s hilarious. And I think back, I used to write my notes backwards and, um, yeah, because that was a way for me to have to do two things at once.

[00:52:25] Like that would be how my brain could like deal with everything happening is I would write my notes backwards, cause that would require an extra layer of concentration and totally, um, all, and then I would get in trouble for writing my notes backwards. Sometimes it’d be like, you’re not reading my notes.

[00:52:41] What, what the hell do you care? Um, So this day I can write very well backwards. Uh, but yeah, I remember getting in trouble for playing on my calculator, like in English class and, you know, I’ll be playing Tetris and was like, what is this? And wanting me to answer something I’m like, I already did the reading.

[00:52:59] This is what [00:53:00] we were talking about, you know? And, but I I’d get yelled at. Um, so I’ve heard that too anecdotally, that teachers are being more accommodating, which is great, but yeah. Um, I need a new three’s is my fidget toy that I probably need to get like another one, but I would say my phone

[00:53:12] Brett: [00:53:12] I do feel like we have a fair number of ADHD and, and neuro atypical people in our listenership. So I’m putting on her an official call, let us know on discord or on Twitter. What’s a good fidget toy for adults. Like I just, I need something. That’s not gonna make my hands turn raw.

[00:53:33] Christina: [00:53:33] exactly. Let’s get bread and new fidget toy. Like what can we get him?

[00:53:36]Brett: [00:53:36] I have one that’s like a dodecahedron with like a different kind of like button or switch on every side of it. And it’s kind of perfect, except it’s big enough that it doesn’t make a great little like, like I need something I can just play with, like in my lap without even having to look down. And that fits in the Palm of my hand very [00:54:00] easily.

[00:54:00] I’ll I’ll find something

[00:54:01] Christina: [00:54:01] Would a Rubin, would a Rubix would a Rubik’s cube work?

[00:54:07] Brett: [00:54:07] Don’t I don’t know. Maybe that might actually feel a lot like threes. I’ve never solved the Rubik’s cube in my life. Yeah,

[00:54:16] Christina: [00:54:16] I haven’t either, but I keep seeing it, like, I knew all these YouTube videos where they’ll show people who can solve them, like insanely quickly. And then that excites me cause I’m like, Oh, there’s a pattern involved with this. You just need to learn the pattern. And that is one of those things that, that excites me.

[00:54:29] But I would think even without like solving it, just maybe even the motions of, you know, doing it would be.

[00:54:36]Brett: [00:54:36] yeah. Yeah. What’s your three’s high score.

[00:54:40]Christina: [00:54:40] let me find it.

[00:54:42]Brett: [00:54:42] I will, while you look, I will say that my high score and I’ve gotten, like, I keep getting really close to it, but 187,350 is where I’ve maxed out.

[00:54:56] Christina: [00:54:56] Wow. That is amazing. Yeah. I’m I’m at, uh, [00:55:00] like I’ve only gotten as high as seven 68. So like, as, as my match, I’ve never been able to get past that. So I’m at my, my, my threes is like 30,000.

[00:55:10]Brett: [00:55:10] I’ve hit the three Oh seven two a couple of times.

[00:55:14] Christina: [00:55:14] Wow. Wow. I go so fast. You take your time with it or do you go super fast?

[00:55:18] Brett: [00:55:18] I would say I’m in the, in the middle. Like if I go super fast, it’s going to be a shorter game. If I stop in. And sometimes I just get in this groove where I’m actually in and the times that I get the highest score these times when I’m actually seeing, I’m doing the math ahead of like, I’m seeing that this three could easily become a 24.

[00:55:40] If I move, like, like I’ll see all the pieces and I’ll be able to put them together more than one move and advance, and I’m not just reacting to what’s new on the screen. Um, those are the times that I score really well. And I don’t know how it is. I get into that groove. It just happens

[00:55:58] Christina: [00:55:58] It just happens. [00:56:00] That’s interesting. Yeah. I’ve had that happen a couple of times. Um, I play a lot of match three games as well, and sometimes that’s the same way where you just like, you know, you’re on. And those are obviously, I mean, there’s a chance element to threes as well. Um, but, but, but those are, uh, you know, like, like the big, you know, the, the, the class of games that Bejeweled created and then didn’t really profit from, um, I, I play those games and yeah, there are times when you’re just kind of like, you know, that the game is going to go well, you’re like, you’re like, okay, this is going to be like a high score game.

[00:56:31] Tetris is like that too. Um, I love Tetris, like Tetris is. One of those, like, I’m surprised they haven’t done this. Maybe they have, they probably have, uh, but I’m kind of surprised that they haven’t just made like a handheld version, like, like the old tiger games, things like of Tetris, you know what I mean?

[00:56:49] Cause just I’m, I’m not in favor of single use devices, but I would totally get something like Nintendo could actually introduce stupid. They should just release. [00:57:00] Cause they released this game and watch thing for like their 30th anniversary or whatever and or 35th anniversary or something and Mario’s 35th anniversary or something.

[00:57:11] And I never used the game in wash. I’ve no idea that it was even a real thing. I thought that there were like a watch component to it. It turns out it was just like a clock. I don’t even know. Um, but it was like a really early handheld game kind of thing. And um, they should have just released, they should just release like.

[00:57:29] A game, boy that’s like that, but is smaller. But his style, like the original game boy that has the original Tetris with the original music on it. And it has like a monochrome screen and they should sell it for 50 bucks and they would sell 10 million of them.

[00:57:44] Brett: [00:57:44] You ever played 3d Tetris?

[00:57:46] Christina: [00:57:46] Yes. I love that.

[00:57:48] Brett: [00:57:48] It’s pretty fun. And it makes me think that there should be an AR 3d Tetris by now.

[00:57:55] Christina: [00:57:55] There should, there should, there should definitely be like a, an AR or like a virtual like [00:58:00] Tetris. Yeah. 100%. You’re exactly right. I, Oh my God. An AR Tetris would be so fun because you could move stuff around. That would, Oh my God.

[00:58:09]Brett: [00:58:09] All right. We’re, we’re both quitting our awesome tech jobs and we’re going into, we’re starting a development company to make a, our 3d Tetris and it’s going to be a huge hit and we’re never going to have to worry about money again.

[00:58:21]Christina: [00:58:21] Yeah. Except for the whole licensing of Tetris, but yes.

[00:58:25] Brett: [00:58:25] There’s always something.

[00:58:27]Christina: [00:58:27] But it’s a good idea. We should maybe bring it to those people and be like, Hey, we have this idea. Pay us, you know,

[00:58:34] Brett: [00:58:34] Here’s your nondisclosure agreement and here’s my demands. Um, anyway. All right. We should go.

[00:58:43] Christina: [00:58:43] Yeah, we should go. But, um, huge news for you this week. Congratulations. I’m so happy for you.

[00:58:51] Brett: [00:58:51] Thank

[00:58:51] Christina: [00:58:51] So happy for you and a huge news for Taylor Swift. Most importantly,

[00:58:55] Brett: [00:58:55] Most importantly, yes, I okay. [00:59:00] I’m just gonna, um, yeah. Okay. We’ll we’ll just be happy for Taylor Swift. I don’t have to poopoo on this. I don’t have to be a deck about this.

[00:59:07] Christina: [00:59:07] no, you don’t just, just be happy for Taylor. Like you don’t have to, like, you don’t have to. I mean, look, I think we all kind of agree. Like the institution institutional cream is bullshit, but like

[00:59:14] Brett: [00:59:14] Plus I don’t want to hurt her feelings when she listens to this podcast. So,

[00:59:18] Christina: [00:59:18] This is very true. She’s cause

[00:59:20] Brett: [00:59:20] for listening, Taylor. Congratulations.

[00:59:23] Christina: [00:59:23] congratulations. Taylor, thank you for listening to us.

[00:59:26]No, but for real, um, uh, congrats to you on, uh, on that gig. I’m so excited for you for that. And, uh, also congrats on getting the ultimate hacking keyboard because that’s very exciting.

[00:59:38] Brett: [00:59:38] Oh, you know what we have to talk about next time is mano space fonts with ligatures.

[00:59:43] Christina: [00:59:43] yes, yes. I have many thoughts. I have many thoughts.

[00:59:47] Brett: [00:59:47] I’ll add it to add it to next. Week’s show notes.

[00:59:50] Christina: [00:59:50] There’s a really good one that, um, Microsoft put out that’s from the WSL and the windows terminal team called, um, uh, Cascadia,

[00:59:57] Brett: [00:59:57] Yeah. I’ve been trying that out. Yeah. [01:00:00] I still love jet brains, but yeah, I

[01:00:02] Christina: [01:00:02] do too. I love zipper. I love the jet brains or JetBrains mano, where the hell they call it. I love that one. Um, I like dank. Um, I have a bunch of them, um, cause I’ve been

[01:00:12] Brett: [01:00:12] been at least a couple episodes since we’ve had a good monospace font discussion.

[01:00:17] Christina: [01:00:17] Yeah. It’s been like a year. I feel like. So it’s time for us.

[01:00:21] Brett: [01:00:21] I think it’s been like a few months.

[01:00:24] Christina: [01:00:24] okay. It’s been a few months, but we can talk about this again.

[01:00:27] Brett: [01:00:27] Okay. Deal.

[01:00:28] Christina: [01:00:28] w we’ll talk about it again. I don’t think we got into the ligature conversation really the

[01:00:32] Brett: [01:00:32] feel like, I feel like that might be new ground for us.

[01:00:35] Christina: [01:00:35] Yeah. And then we give the ligature thing. We can also talk about like our feelings on like, um, uh, PS lines and some of the other, like out on scripts and like, where do you fall on that dichotomy?

[01:00:45] Like, is, does it ruin? Cause there are some people who even think ligatures are bad, but there’s, there’s, there’s like a whole purist discussion about like how you add stuff to your, to your monospace bonds and, and with your command line setup, I would love to get into the politics of that with you

[01:00:58] Brett: [01:00:58] Sounds good. [01:01:00] All right, Christina, get some sleep.

[01:01:03] Christina: [01:01:03] get some sleep bread.