You Don’t Have the Butts

[00:00:00] Introduction and Greetings

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[00:00:03] Brett: Hey, you’re listening to Overtired. I am Brett Terpstra. I am here with Christina Warren and Jeff Severins Gunsel. Welcome to the show, guys.

[00:00:13] Jeff: Oh, thank you.

[00:00:15] Brett: It’s good to have you here.

[00:00:17] Christina: It’s good to be

[00:00:18] Jeff: be here.

[00:00:19] Late Recording and Drinks

[00:00:19] Jeff: We don’t normally record at this. It’s, it’s 5 p. m. here. It’s 3 p. m. for Christina, but actually, like, I feel more ready than I usually do. Whereas normally, if I were ending my day, I would feel very dead inside. Um, and so thank you for, uh, for giving me a different kind of ending of my day.

[00:00:37] Brett: Why would you feel dead inside at the end of a day?

[00:00:40] Jeff: Oh, sometimes it’s just, you’re tired. You go, you know, it’s like, you’re not interacting with people. You’re just ending and then you’re interacting. And so it’s nice. This is like a nice landing. It’s a

[00:00:49] Brett: yeah. So

[00:00:50] Jeff: One might say happy ending.

[00:00:52] Brett: I call that like, vegging out time, which is 100 percent where I’m at right now. Um, I made a too stiff [00:01:00] screwdriver to celebrate our late recording time. Um, I, there is, there is a line where a screwdriver becomes just, there’s just too much vodka, too much vodka.

[00:01:12] Christina: It’s true. It’s true. Right. Right. But sometimes, you know, that happens. Like, you just get a little bit too much and you’re like, actually

[00:01:19] Brett: Wow, this tastes like grain alcohol all of a sudden.

[00:01:22] Christina: Exactly. You’re like, you’re like, I could have had a little more juice with this. Yeah.

[00:01:27] Jeff: All right.

[00:01:28] Mental Health Corner: Jeff’s Journey

[00:01:28] Brett: uh, let’s, let’s kick it off with a contained mental health corner. Um, who wants to go first? Is it going to be me?

[00:01:37] Jeff: I can make a, I can do, I have kind of a quick one. I was cleaning out a sort of catch all room in our house in the basement and, um, came across this bag of like, But it was mostly empty prescription pill bottles, but it had like, uh, it was also a little museum with some leftover pills of all of the medications that I’ve [00:02:00] taken over the last few years.

[00:02:01] Jeff: And, and, and that includes, you know, a period where I was over medicated, um, a period where we were just trying things. And, um, and, and that was a, those were a hard couple periods and it was, And I’m very much on the other side of that, and so it was like, at first, Almost a little chilling to look at all the medication names again and even to like rattle the bottles because there were still pills in there.

[00:02:26] Jeff: I need to get rid of them. I don’t want to

[00:02:28] Brett: Why do you save

[00:02:29] Jeff: I didn’t save them. No, no. I honestly, like when I would change medication, I’d be like, okay, fuck this. I’m putting this in a drawer. I’m not, because I wasn’t sure at that moment, right, that I wasn’t going back to it, but I would just like squirrel it away.

[00:02:43] Jeff: And it, um, it just ended up there, but anyhow, um, it, it, it just, it served as, many kinds of reminders. One is that you can come on the other side of being over medicated, having your medication poorly managed, [00:03:00] um, and even when it is well managed, the sort of stabbing in the dark period. And the other is that those things exist.

[00:03:07] Jeff: And I, um, and I, I just say that for anybody out there who is, um, Currently kind of trying to dial it in, uh, that I see you and that it’s hard and that, um, had I not had some support just like in my own home and with my therapist who was different from my medication manager, uh, sort of witnessing from the outside.

[00:03:30] Jeff: I don’t think I could have ever gotten out of that hole. Um, and, and so just putting that out there, it was like a, it was an intense thing to sort of interact with. And I’m so. Grateful to be on the other side of it, um, and have been on the other side of it for months now, and maybe more than a year. So that’s

[00:03:48] Brett: That’s awesome.

[00:03:49] Christina: That’s really great.

[00:03:50] Jeff: And I got to get rid of those pills, but like, I don’t want to throw them in the garbage, and I don’t want to throw them in the toilet, and I know there’s places that recycle

[00:03:55] Brett: pharmacies do, like, once a year they have, like, [00:04:00] med disposal

[00:04:01] Jeff: is it like a gun buyback

[00:04:02] Brett: Yeah, it is. It is. And you, you can bring any, any medications, no questions asked, and they will safely dispose of them for you. And you know there’s some kid just, like, going through the bottles, pocketing what he can get, but, you know.

[00:04:16] Jeff: That’s why I wanted to mix them all up and just put them into it, you know,

[00:04:20] Brett: If my therapists were also my medication manager, I would either be on way more drugs or no drugs.

[00:04:29] Jeff: tough to say.

[00:04:31] Brett: I don’t know which way it would turn, but

[00:04:34] Jeff: Well, that’s, that’s me.

[00:04:35] Christina: I was going to say, that’s me. I’m, I’m on, my, my therapist is my, also my prescriber. So yeah, it, it works out most of the time, but it does have me like in a weird thing because like, he is going to Retire or

[00:04:49] Brett: Yep,

[00:04:50] Christina: He, his age is at that point where I’m like, this, this will not be a forever thing. So I’m like, okay, then what the fuck am I going to do?

[00:04:56] Jeff: And that’s like, that’s like a version of institutional memory, [00:05:00] right? Like, he knows not only what you’ve done, gone into, out of, but why he decided to help you with that particular medication.

[00:05:07] Christina: No, exactly. And it’s like, I’m sure that, you know, he has notes and stuff and things that, you know, to be passed on and whatnot. But like, I, he’s been my person for like, I don’t know, like, like, like 24 years. Like,

[00:05:19] Jeff: Yeah.

[00:05:19] Christina: you know, so, um, it’s so long. Yeah. So

[00:05:25] Brett: My current psychiatrist I’ve had for I’ve had it for like eight years now.

[00:05:30] Christina: That’s a long time.

[00:05:32] Brett: I’ve had my therapist for like six months, but I’ve been going through therapists.

[00:05:37] Jeff: Burnin through him.

[00:05:39] Brett: How many do I have right now? I have just two. I’m down to two therapists.

[00:05:44] Jeff: That’s like me, that’s like me when I’m down to two medications.

[00:05:47] Christina: Well, no, right?

[00:05:48] Jeff: count, if you don’t count the old man medications,

[00:05:50] Christina: right, right. Which, which, which, which we don’t, right? Like that, that’s

[00:05:53] Jeff: going to count those.

[00:05:54] Christina: no, no, no, no, no.

[00:05:57] Mental Health Corner: Christina’s Experience

[00:05:57] Brett: All right, Christina, do you have a mental health check [00:06:00] in?

[00:06:00] Jeff: too.

[00:06:00] Christina: mine can be pretty, um, I mean, uh, just, um, pretty minor cause I don’t really have anything to add. Although like that does have me thinking. So I’ve now been at this point, I guess I haven’t been on any antidepressant or anything. And, and we’re, we’re getting into probably like a, a 9 or 10 month period now, which, um, I think has been good.

[00:06:20] Christina: Um, I’m not going to say my depression is completely gone because it’s not, but where I was when I think about where I was like a year ago this time versus where I am now, like I’m definitely in a much better place. And, and that actually just kind of reminded me of what you were saying, Jeff, like. I was in a really bad place a year ago trying to manage a new medication and trying to like come off an old one and try a new one and, and figure things out.

[00:06:44] Christina: And it was not good and it was not a good scenario. And, um, uh, to just kind of plus one, what you said in terms of, you know, seeing people and, and, uh, and, uh, you know, rooting for them. Like I will also say, and I [00:07:00] know that this isn’t always possible, but the one thing that I fucked up on. Big time was that, um, I should have absolutely like taken time off work.

[00:07:12] Christina: Like I should have done like a disability thing to manage that because in my scenario it was, it was bad enough that it was, I, I kind of, you know, fucked up, um, some work stuff and, and some other, you know, things for a little bit. I was able to rectify things and things are completely fine now, but it, it was not, um, Without consequences.

[00:07:31] Christina: And if I, the one thing I would say to do it again, like, and I, I hadn’t, cause I hadn’t gone through a medication switch since I was really, really young. And it was one of those things that I’d been putting off specifically for this problem. And then I thought, Oh, well, you know, you’ve done some stupid stuff before.

[00:07:44] Christina: You can just kind of, you know, like grin and bear it and get through it. And it’s like, no, sometimes you can’t. And, and there are, you know, the, the side effects and the things you go through, like with all those things can be major. And yeah, that’s why like leave. [00:08:00] exists, right? Like, even when it’s an opportunity and whatnot, and I recognize not everybody has that ability, but there are things that are like, at a certain level, like, like federally or state sanctioned.

[00:08:11] Christina: And in my case, even if it hadn’t been like, I hadn’t taken the full thing, even if I’d only taken a couple of weeks, I think it would have changed things significantly. And I wouldn’t have had to like, go through that thing where I’m like going through all this fucked up, like, Stuff in addition to anything that might be, you know, happening with my mental health, it’s like the side effects and other stuff.

[00:08:31] Christina: I wouldn’t have had to do that while trying to pretend to be okay. And, which, like, you’re not okay. And, uh, and so I, um, you know, don’t, don’t try to be a hero. Don’t be like me, is the other thing I

[00:08:44] Jeff: That’s a great point. And that’s a hard in the moment, that’s a really hard thing to. Do or to have clarity about like, I mean, I should have gone on, I should have gone on a, but I, like, I should have gone on a walkabout, you know, like I should have like gotten in the car and just gone [00:09:00] on like a cross country road trip or something and just gotten out of my life entirely in some of that period.

[00:09:05] Jeff: But like that, I’m You’re saying that and I’m just like, God, yes. I, I, I relate to that so much and like, I don’t know even how to advise myself next time to know, to know, you know,

[00:09:16] Christina: the, yeah, the only thing I’ve said, whether I would need it or not, and like my, the way I kind of look at it is like, if it’s not a necessary thing, then you come back right away. But I, I’ve, I’ve kind of committed to myself, I’m like, I will never do this, like, again without, you know, whether I’m taking sick leave or, you know, taking like, you know, longer term disability or whatever the case may be.

[00:09:38] Christina: I am never doing this. again, where I am just gonna pretend like everything’s okay. Like, hopefully everything will be, but I’m never entering that scenario again, um, like, because I just, no, for me anyway, and like I said, like, maybe, hopefully it would be a scenario where it wouldn’t matter, but like, in the event that it would be anything like what I went through before. I’m just [00:10:00] like, nope. I know the consequences could be really, could be way worse than they were. And they weren’t great. And so, you know, and, and I think, but, but to your point, yeah, it can be hard to kind of know how to, how you would say that to yourself. I’ve just, I’ve just kind of like, there are certain things I know I’m like, okay, can’t do this ever again.

[00:10:18] Christina: Right. Cause this is what will happen.

[00:10:20] Jeff: Yeah. You know. Yeah.

[00:10:26] Brett’s Sleep Struggles and Vegas Trip

[00:10:26] Brett: So the question, the question everyone’s been asking lately is, are you better off today than you were four years ago? Um, So, yeah, I am going through another period of poor sleep, and So I, I spent a couple, a few days in Vegas and I slept great while I was there. Um, I think it was exhaustion combined with, and I’m just realizing this now, but I didn’t bring like a personal [00:11:00] laptop and I had no way to like hack on my personal projects.

[00:11:05] Brett: So when I woke up at three in the morning, I wasn’t like, Well, I’m up. I might as well go hack on something. Um, I, like, had no choice. It was either stumble down to the casino or go back to sleep. And the casinos aren’t that interesting, so I would go back to sleep. And I think, maybe, I need to like cut off my computer time.

[00:11:31] Brett: I don’t know. Um, these are things to experiment with, but um, I can segue, that’s it for my mental health corner. I’m not sleeping and I can’t think of everything else I should talk about. Um, I, I

[00:11:47] Christina: except, except maybe you should like shut off your like computer time, or at least maybe not allow yourself to have like, maybe not have it like in the bedroom or something.

[00:11:55] Brett: I don’t have it in the bedroom. I have to walk down a whole flight of stairs [00:12:00] and boot it up and I just, knowing it’s in the house, Is it’s like a drug for me and I’m drawn to it and I have like so little self control when it comes to, well, I’m up, might as well be hacking. Um,

[00:12:18] Christina: My, my friend sent me this thing earlier today, which she’s absolutely not going to use. And is, I absolutely have zero, uh, trust in the fact that she will, will do it. But she was like, I just bought this thing to, um, um, you know, lock my, my, my phone in a box. And she was like, I’m genuinely just too ADHD to have access to my phone.

[00:12:38] Christina: I was like, okay, see you tomorrow. Um, like, like, like this is not going to be a thing, but I’m like looking at this and like, I don’t know exactly how it works, but it’s like a, it’s like a, a sort of thing. I guess it has like a kind of a timer or something like on the lock and like it won’t let you inside.

[00:12:51] Christina: So maybe you could set yours up so that you just lock your laptop inside and you’re like, okay, between the hours of this and this, I just don’t have access to it.

[00:12:59] Brett: if, [00:13:00] if I set it up, I will know how to break it.

[00:13:03] Christina: Yeah. I mean, this is the problem I go through too. And I’m not sure how this works. Like I, I said to

[00:13:08] Brett: Cause then that, then that’s a whole new puzzle to hack on. How do I get back into my computer?

[00:13:13] Christina: thing? Well, no, and I had the same thought. I was, I was, I was like, Oh, I was like, I was like, I wouldn’t even, I was like, I wouldn’t even try stuff like this.

[00:13:21] Christina: Cause I know myself too well. Cause I do the same thing, but I, um, it doesn’t work the same way, but I do find like, if I have my phone like on a stand and not like right next to me when I wake up in the middle of the night, like that is easier for me to not go to the place where I’m just going to be on my phone for like, Four hours, when I have Insomnia.

[00:13:45] Brett: I assume the answer to this question will be obviously not, but have either of you seen BrettTerpstra. com this week?

[00:13:53] Jeff: I’ve seen it this week. Well, no, I saw it last week.

[00:13:57] Brett: I. One of my early morning [00:14:00] hacking sessions was a complete redesign of bretterpstra. com, which was heavily inspired by the IA writer blog.

[00:14:09] Christina: Uh huh.

[00:14:10] Brett: I looked at it and I was like, that’s, that’s something I would like to figure out how to do with Jekyll. And, and I did, I made it my own. It’s not a complete ripoff, but, um, yeah, I, I dig it.

[00:14:23] Brett: It was so much hacking to get, it was so much Jekyll hacking.

[00:14:28] Christina: was gonna say, like, like, like, how, how, because Jekyll at this point, like, I’m sure you’re using, like, whatever, like, the, you know, I don’t even, like, know what the modern version is anymore, but, like, it’s not, it hasn’t been, uh, updated, or, you know, it’s, it’s not a, it’s not an upca Right, that’s what I’m saying, right?

[00:14:43] Christina: This is not, this

[00:14:43] Brett: it’s officially abandoned at this point.

[00:14:46] Christina: I was going to say, I think, like, I think GitHub for Pages, like, we, like, I have some sort of, you know, like, basic thing that we do, but even for our stuff, we’re like, yeah, bring

[00:14:54] Brett: yeah, GitHub, GitHub froze Jekyll at like a three [00:15:00] dot something version and Jekyll four came out. Uh, but GitHub played it smart and just froze

[00:15:06] Christina: right. But we were, we, we, we were like, yeah, we don’t think that this is gonna be a thing. Um.

[00:15:13] Brett: Um, and, and they were right. Um, but anyway, so, so I was in Vegas for work and, um, despite, so. I don’t know whether to tell you the good stuff or the bad stuff first. Um, it went really well. Um, I learned a lot. I also felt way more, um, comfortable in my job than I had previously. This is my first conference with Oracle and I was feeling like.

[00:15:48] Brett: Total imposter and then I got there and realized, hey, I kind of do know what I’m talking about to some extent. I still had a lot to learn, but, um, helped out with a talk or two [00:16:00] and didn’t have to speak after all. Um, weaseled my way out of speaking, but having helped out with talks, I now have a better feel for what it would be like to actually give one.

[00:16:13] Brett: So maybe next time. Um, and. Uh, I got real bad plantar fasciitis while I was there, and it was, it took me half an hour to walk from the show floor in the Venetian to my hotel in the goddamn Flamingo, which, holy shit, that’s a bad hotel.

[00:16:36] Christina: yes, I stayed there. I stayed at the Flamingo, um, when I was there like a month ago. And, um, I’d never, I’d never been there before. And yeah, I mean, you understand the price. We got a suite because we needed to do like a video setup thing. It was fine for what we needed. It was, and it was close enough to, you know, Where we needed to be, but the Venetian and the Flamingo are very far apart.

[00:16:57] Christina: That is a long, that is a long ass walk. They’re [00:17:00] literally, they’re not completely opposite sides of the strip, but like, the, the Flamingo is across from Caesar’s, and the Venetian is next to the, um, to the Wynn and the Encore, so it’s like, it’s, it’s, it’s a good walk.

[00:17:13] Brett: it’s a trek and I did that multiple times a day with plantar fasciitis and just like hobbling my way. So by the time evening rolled around, I was just exhausted and we would have like team dinner or whatever and then I would just immediately go to bed and just crash out and wake up at 6 30 the next morning.

[00:17:34] Brett: 6 30 Vegas time, which is like 8 30 for me, but you know, it’s, it’s I went to bed two hours later too, so, um, and then be back on the show floor and it was, it was good though. I didn’t, honestly, like, I know this is stupid and obvious, but I didn’t realize how big Oracle was until I saw this conference.

[00:17:57] Christina: And you’re like, oh,

[00:17:59] Brett: head, I’m like, [00:18:00] in my head, I’m like, Who would show up? Who’s gonna, who’s going to come to an Oracle conference? And holy shit, there were so many people, so many vendors, so many attendees. It was a huge show floor, just

[00:18:14] Christina: it’s almost like Oracle’s a database leader or something, I don’t know.

[00:18:19] Brett: It’s almost like Oracle’s in the big tech,

[00:18:22] Christina: Yeah.

[00:18:23] Brett: five tech companies, huh? Um, um, speaking of my, My RSUs, my Restricted Stock Units Fest on Friday, um, and I doubt I’ll get a bonus this year, but Oracle’s stock is up and my 330 shares are going to be pretty, pretty good. I’m looking forward to Friday.

[00:18:47] Brett: They’ve already, like, they’ve already sold the shares, so I know exactly how much it’s going to be worth, uh, but they don’t roll over into my account until Friday, so.

[00:18:57] Jeff: Follow up question. Can I have some [00:19:00] cash?

[00:19:00] Brett: Yeah, dude. Okay. So here’s, here’s the other good news.

[00:19:03] Christina: I was gonna say you, you, you had some winnings.

[00:19:07] Brett: I did.

[00:19:07] Vegas Winnings and Flamingo Hotel Review

[00:19:07] Brett: So at the airport leaving Vegas, I had, I had like, while waiting for Victor in, like, he’d go up to his room, I’d be in the hotel lobby, I’d slip some dollars into the slot machines. And all told, between like, just playing for five minutes here, five minutes there, I was up about 50. And, um, I get to the airport.

[00:19:29] Brett: I have, I go early because I just can’t find any reason to wait around and there’s little enough time that walking that half hour to the Venetian just so I could be on the show floor for 30 minutes didn’t seem worthwhile. So I go to the airport real early and I got about three hours before my flight.

[00:19:47] Brett: And I’m up 50 and I think I’m just gonna put 20 into a slot machine. I hit, I set an 8 bet on one of those big video slot machines with like [00:20:00] flying dragons and shit and I hit the button one time and it comes up and it says like full screen, luck is with you and it starts. It starts counting up and I, I usually cash out when I double my money, so I get to 40 and I’m trying to hit the cash out button and it keeps going and it keeps going and it got,

[00:20:21] Jeff: off?

[00:20:22] Brett: I, I just, I didn’t, so I don’t, I don’t understand the machines enough to know what’s real and what is just fucking with me to get me to gamble more.

[00:20:30] Brett: So I’m like, I got, I got what I needed, I’m ready to walk away. It’s up to about 400 and then it comes up with this screen that’s like bonus round, um, try to fill these 15 slots and there’s no strategy, you just hit the button over and over but it’s not costing me anything, uh, they’re like free bonus spins, um, so soon that ends and it goes up to like 900 and I’m like this can’t be real, this is, they’re fucking with me [00:21:00] now.

[00:21:00] Brett: And then, uh, the dragons start flying around again and They’re picking up bonus things from around the screen, and pretty soon the total is at 1, 400. And I’m about to hit the cash out button, because for fucking real, like, if this is real, I want that money. And before I can hit that cash out button, an error screen pops up on the video machine that says, Hand payout required.

[00:21:27] Brett: Contact attendant. Um, so then the, there’s a woman behind me, she’s like, yeah, I thought that was going to happen. Um. And they took all my tax, my payer ID, cause they had to file taxes on winnings over whatever dollar amount. So it took about 20 minutes of me sitting there in front of this big screen with my winnings on it while everyone around is like watching me fill out the paperwork and everything.

[00:21:53] Brett: It was very uncomfortable. And then they paid me in cash. I thought this is the kind of thing you read a [00:22:00] cashier’s check for, but they

[00:22:01] Christina: what I would think.

[00:22:02] Brett: they sit down and they just start dropping a hundred dollar

[00:22:05] Christina: Oh, a hundred dollar bills. Okay. That’s at least

[00:22:06] Jeff: While everyone’s watching you, you’re like, could you

[00:22:08] Brett: yeah.

[00:22:09] Jeff: please? Nothing discreet about this.

[00:22:12] Christina: See. Okay, I always just go to the Centurion Lounge at the Vegas airport. I, I, I’ve never once played a slot machine there. Or maybe I have, but it’s probably been a decade or more.

[00:22:23] Christina: Damn, Brett.

[00:22:24] Brett: here’s the thing is to the best of my knowledge Airport slots at an international airport are under international gaming rules, which have looser slots and higher payouts It’s the same reason it pays to gamble on a cruise ship

[00:22:41] Christina: I was gonna say, that’s the only time I’ve ever won on slots. Yeah.

[00:22:45] Jeff: Also, why you only murder on a cruise ship. Know

[00:22:48] Brett: So, all told, I came home from Vegas about 1, 600 richer than I started, and I didn’t have to give up a kidney.

[00:22:57] Brett: Um, and yeah, [00:23:00] it was, it, that made it a good trip. And I lost, and I lost five pounds, and I got some sleep.

[00:23:06] Christina: I mean, sounds like a win. I mean, I’m sorry that you had to stay at the, at the Flamingo because

[00:23:10] Brett: my god, no coffee maker,

[00:23:13] Christina: yeah, it is not a good, I mean,

[00:23:15] Brett: rough sheets, pourable temperature control, the shower doesn’t drain right, there’s no tub, which I don’t really care about because I don’t need to sit in someone else’s bathtub, like the shower wouldn’t drain so there’s water all over the bathroom floor. It was like, It was like staying at a shitty motel.

[00:23:35] Christina: no, I mean, and you can tell kind of by the clientele that, like, stays there because it’s a cheap place and, like, that’s fine. People are going, I’m not trying to be, like, well, no, but I am. I am who I am. I’m gonna absolutely judge. Um, we stayed there just because I think that we, we needed a suite and I’m assuming they ran the numbers.

[00:23:51] Christina: We didn’t book it and we got there and we were like, well, this is, you know, Not

[00:23:57] Brett: Yeah, they offered to upgrade my room to a suite for [00:24:00] 250. So a suite must’ve been pretty affordable.

[00:24:03] Christina: Yeah. Yeah. I’m sure it was. Yeah. And the way this was, it was like, it was like a very large, like a, a really large room. And there were two bathrooms. There was like a one, you know, like bathroom, like in the main, like suite bar, like, and then there was, you know, the bedroom and, and, and bathroom area. And there was like a little kitchenette, but it was, we were doing, um, we were filming, you know, video stuff.

[00:24:22] Christina: And so we, we needed, you know, that kind of space. Um, and it was. I mean, it was a very large, like, living room area, but, um, yeah, um, I’d never been there before and I was like, like, they have like the wallpaper and everything is like all like reckoning back to like the old days of Vegas. And I’m like, maybe don’t let people know, like, call it to attention that this has been around this long because,

[00:24:44] Brett: Well, they had to open the link, I think, to, uh, to make any money. Um, I, what was I going to say? Oh, I lost it. There was Oh, no, I fucking lost it. Never [00:25:00] mind. Let’s move along. Um,

[00:25:03] Apple Event Reactions

[00:25:03] Jeff: It’s like talking to my

[00:25:04] Christina: are you going to buy an iPhone with, with, with your earnings?

[00:25:07] Brett: no. I didn’t see the I didn’t see the I didn’t Everyone seemed disappointed. I didn’t I didn’t watch it yet.

[00:25:15] Christina: Yeah. I mean,

[00:25:15] Brett: is everyone disappointed?

[00:25:17] Christina: they

[00:25:18] Jeff: wasn’t disappointed. And he’s always disappointed.

[00:25:23] Christina: I mean, they spent the whole presentation basically talking about stuff that’s not even shipping. We don’t know when the Apple Intelligent stuff is going to ship. So that’s kind of to me is like where it’s a failure. Like it’s fine. The devices are a very incremental upgrade.

[00:25:36] Christina: If you’re on the pros for the regular ones, I think it’s actually a better phone than they’ve had in a long time. Like there’s a significant RAM improvement. The chips are better. There’s some camera things. The colors are fun. So for people on like the regular iPhone, I think actually probably a pretty good one, especially if you’re on like an iPhone 12 or iPhone 13.

[00:25:54] Christina: Um, but if you’re on like a Pro Max. Well, A, let’s be fucking for real, you [00:26:00] probably are going to buy the new one every time anyway, or, right, which is, you’re like me, like, I have the upgrade plan, so like, I’m not gonna keep, like, my monthly price is the same whether I get the new one or the old one, you know what I’m saying?

[00:26:13] Christina: Like, it, so, so for me, like, there’s zero incentive for me to, um, Not go ahead and get the new one, but like if you pay cash for something or if you were like, oh, I got, you know, a phone last year, should I do a trade in or whatever? Under no circumstances, like the software stuff that they showed off and spent a lot of time with without really saying anything about, it’ll be like, Later, like this fall and next year, like we don’t even fucking know when it will be out or how good it will be.

[00:26:39] Christina: Like it’s all like just kind of up in the air. The watches look fine. Um, the um, uh, the Airpods, the new Airpods 4 look really good. Um, the Airpods Max are a shit show but I bought them anyway because I’m dumb. But yeah, I mean, just, you

[00:26:55] Jeff: We don’t talk like that about ourselves.

[00:26:57] Christina: I mean, I do. Like, I’m absolutely a fucking [00:27:00] idiot for buying those things, but I have a

[00:27:02] Jeff: that way about myself all

[00:27:03] Christina: And, and I’m like, people are like, oh, should I buy them too? I’m like, under no circumstances. You should absolutely not buy the new AirPods Max. Absolutely not. Under no circumstances.

[00:27:13] Brett: Speaking of, I took my Sonos Ace on this trip,

[00:27:17] Christina: Yeah. How are they?

[00:27:19] Brett: And I, like, I don’t have AirPods Max, AirPod Maxi, um, what’s the, I don’t know the plural, but I

[00:27:26] Christina: Maxes? I don’t know. Yeah.

[00:27:28] Brett: of course, Yeah, I don’t have a comparison I can make, but holy shit, like, screaming kids, airport chatter, announcements, I could just put them on, hit the noise cancel button, and like, play some, like, tribe call quest, and everything would just disappear.

[00:27:48] Brett: And then like, doubly so, in the Admiral’s Lounge, um, Like the American Airlines, um,

[00:27:57] Jeff: let a second Lieutenant into the [00:28:00] Admiral’s

[00:28:00] Christina: ha ha ha.

[00:28:03] Brett: Like in there, it was already pretty quiet. So like I used them, I listened to Aaron Dawson’s new album, which is Fucking great. Um, I should link that in the show notes. Uh, Genital Shame has a new EP out. It is fantastic. Even if you don’t, even if you don’t consider yourself a black metal fan, if you are moved by sound in any way, you should check it out.

[00:28:28] Brett: Um, but yeah, those Sonos Aces. Um, were, were basically what kept me sane when I wasn’t in the lounge.

[00:28:37] Christina: Mm hmm. No, they’re really good. And one thing I’ll say about them that is definitely like, uh, a big improvement over the, I think that the new AirPods Max, because I think they removed this feature, we’re not sure yet. The old ones, you could spend 30 and buy a, Lightning to 3. 5 millimeter cable if you needed to use it with something that had a 3.

[00:28:55] Christina: 5 millimeter jack like a, um, in flight entertainment thing if you’re not on an [00:29:00] international or business class flight, um, where you will then need a 2. 5 millimeter adapter or not 2. 5 millimeter, but a two prong adapter. Um, and I mean, you could use like a, um, uh, an iFly from, um, uh, 12 South, but you know, that’s a whole other thing.

[00:29:14] Christina: Um, but the Sonos come with the USB C to 3. 5 millimeter, uh, thing. Included. You don’t have to spend extra. And Apple apparently, I mean, support has been telling people that they’re basically dropping the feature to be able to listen to music, like, or listen to three and a half millimeter sources from the new one.

[00:29:31] Christina: There might be some sort of patent thing that people are thinking. I don’t know, but like 550 headphones that literally the only difference from the ones from four years ago, literally the only difference is that it has a USB C port. Oh, and it took like something away. So. Yeah, honestly. Cannot recommend, will not recommend.

[00:29:48] Christina: Bought them, but that’s, don’t, don’t be like me. Like, don’t, don’t be like me.

[00:29:54] Debates and Political Commentary

[00:29:54] Brett: So speaking of disappointing media events, um, did you guys see the debates?[00:30:00]

[00:30:00] Christina: Oh yeah.

[00:30:01] Brett: They were super disappointing for Trump fans.

[00:30:04] Christina: I was going to say I was super excited. Like I thought it was like, I haven’t had that much fun online in a really long time.

[00:30:12] Brett: I, I appreciate the strategy of, let’s just push some buttons and let him go off the rails. Like that was, I mean, that was really the only way to debate Trump is to get him riled up enough to start saying crazy shit.

[00:30:31] Christina: And did he ever, right? And I mean, I didn’t, I, um, I was. At a conference when the Biden Trump debate happened and then I had to watch the highlights and I felt sick to my stomach because it was awful and it made me feel terrible about humanity and I was

[00:30:43] Brett: Everyone had, everyone had can’t watch parties. Yeah.

[00:30:46] Christina: Basically, right?

[00:30:47] Christina: Because it was like one of the worst things I’ve ever seen in my life and then this was like such like a 180 and I’m just was like, holy shit, man. Like, I am so glad that we didn’t, I mean, because I, [00:31:00] She just, she played him so well. She just literally just pushed his buttons like you said, and then he just, I mean, when he was sort of going on about the dogs and the cats, you know, they’re eating the dogs, they’re eating the cats, I was just like, oh my god.

[00:31:11] Christina: You know, and then he’s like, one point he’s talking about something, he’s, you know, he’s shitting on her for, for some sort of energy policy. She’s like, and I love solar, as he’s like, insulting solar. And, and, and it’s, it’s,

[00:31:22] Brett: is destroying everything. Don’t get me wrong. I

[00:31:24] Christina: I love solar, but, and it’s like, you fucking, and then, then like, of, of, of all like that, when, when he, when he started, like, when he called out what’s his face, the, the dictator from, from Hungary, you know, it’s like, well, he thinks, yeah, Orman, yeah, where he’s like, oh, he, Viktor Orman thinks I’m great.

[00:31:39] Christina: And I’m like, Okay. First of all, you’re citing Viktor Orman, which is in and of itself, like, okay, cool. We love to cite dictators here, but you couldn’t even pick a dictator from a country that matters. It’s hungry.

[00:31:52] Jeff: cool sunglasses.

[00:31:53] Christina: Right. I’m like, I’m like Kim Jong Il, like, at least would be like, okay. I mean, he’s crazy and awful,

[00:31:58] Jeff: uniform. Yeah.

[00:31:59] Christina: [00:32:00] but, but, but like, but like he, you know, at least, you know, is it kind of scary?

[00:32:04] Christina: Like Viktor Orman is like, bro, like, You’re lucky you’re in the EU and that they’re gonna like save your asses if anything happens, but genuinely, not to say that it’s good for us to have dictators anywhere, but you’re like the most ineffectual and, and, and useless one of all of them. Like,

[00:32:21] Jeff: Trump’s a man of the time because like, I, there used to be this amazing museum in Baghdad, the museum, like to Saddam Hussein, and you could go into it. And there was like a room of, of mostly gold plated guns gifted to Saddam Hussein. Um, there was actually some gold spurs, uh, from Ronald Reagan. Um, and, uh, but like back in the day you could give a.

[00:32:43] Jeff: dictator something cool like a gold plated gun and they would put it on display and you could have your relationship that way. Um, and, and that’s, I mean, he just would have loved that. I mean, the gold guns, he would have loved

[00:32:53] Christina: He would have loved it. He would, he would have loved to have had all those gifts from all the terrible people, like for his own little museum or [00:33:00] Mar a Lago. And, and then, um, we don’t even have to get into the Laura Loomer of it all, but that’s been a very fun, um, uh, uh, additional thing. Yeah. It’s just been, it’s, I, I, I, I have hope for the first time in like years.

[00:33:13] Brett: didn’t, uh, Harris get some like celebrity endorsement? What was that

[00:33:18] Christina: Yeah. I was going to say, I think that we do a podcast about her. I think, I think, I think we’ve covered her on this podcast once or twice. What’s her name? No, I think, I think it’s Taylor Swift. That’s right. That’s right.

[00:33:31] Brett: Tay, Tay?

[00:33:33] Christina: Tay. Yeah.

[00:33:34] Jeff: He’s writing

[00:33:35] Brett: And then, so, okay. So the, in general, like the typical Republican response to that would be, we don’t care what celebrities say. Um, like. Celebrities should, should stick to their music and stay out of politics, right? But Trump has been trying to rack up so many celebrity endorsements. I mean, he got fucking Hulk Hogan, right?[00:34:00]

[00:34:00] Brett: Um, and Kid Rock, and like, who’s he to, who’s he to cast aspersions? So, J. D. Vance goes on, uh, I think Meet the Press, and says that Americans are, aren’t interested in what an out of touch billionaire has to say. We’re just, so, stop telling on yourself.

[00:34:23] Christina: It is. And it’s like, you’re not wrong, except, you know, like, yeah. And that’s why, that’s why, you know, your, your candidate is, is not, uh, is not good. Um, It was also, people are just so weird about her right now, the people who just need to freaking like calm themselves over Taylor Swift.

[00:34:43] Christina: Like people were ridiculous about whether she was getting endorsed or not. I’m like,

[00:34:47] Jeff: Yeah. Although there was an amazing, I’m sorry, I have an unrelated Taylor Swift question I need to ask you, but also there was this amazing fuddy duddy New York times op ed. I can’t remember by who, maybe it’s a columnist actually, not an op ed who was [00:35:00] like talking about this, this, you know, like, will she, will she endorse?

[00:35:04] Jeff: Will she endorse? And he was, he was reviewing like. Ways in which celebrity endorsements haven’t mattered.

[00:35:09] Killer Mike and Bernie Sanders

[00:35:09] Jeff: And one of the examples he gave was Killer Mike, who I love, endorsing Bernie Sanders. And I was like, wait, what are we talking about?

[00:35:19] Christina: Exactly.

[00:35:20] Jeff: Mike would walk into this room and be like, that’s weird.

[00:35:22] Jeff: You should cut that from the article.

[00:35:24] Taylor Swift’s Concert Rituals

[00:35:24] Jeff: Um, Anyway, uh, okay, so here’s my, here’s my Taylor Swift. And I was just listening to Killer Mike, just saw him with my son. Actually, my son’s first, uh, first Avenue show was, was Killer Mike. It was unbelievable. Um, so TikTok will forever show me these videos cause I will always watch them.

[00:35:40] Jeff: It’s, it’s when Taylor Swift in, I think she’s singing 22 goes to the edge of the stage and hugs some kid. Right? Like every, every night, every show. How are these kids, at first I saw there was like a kid that had cancer, a kid, whatever, but now I can’t tell. How are they suggested, I’ll watch it every time, how are they picked?

[00:35:55] Jeff: How does that work?

[00:35:56] Christina: So I think it’s her mom or her like [00:36:00] people who probably in advance So like yeah, I think they know people who are gonna be there at the concert They kind of you know They stalk people on social media if you’re Kobe Bryant’s daughter then like you’re gonna get the the hat like that was one I think they

[00:36:13] Jeff: That’s right, she comes, we can describe it, she comes to the edge of the

[00:36:15] Christina: She comes to the end of the stage.

[00:36:17] Jeff: a kid waiting there.

[00:36:18] Christina: kid waiting there, she, she, she passes off the hat as almost always a kid. Um, and, and I, yeah, and, and I think that they, yeah, like her, her people are freaking ridiculously good, like, and they’ve done this for decades at this point where like, you know, they, what kind of, I think before they would kind of walk around like the, the stadiums or the arenas and, Look for people with certain signage and certain things and like, give them certain, you know, tickets and passes.

[00:36:43] Christina: Be like, Oh, it’s clear you came a really long way. Like, we’re gonna give you, you’re gonna get a meet and greet after the show or whatever. And she doesn’t do, she doesn’t do meet and greets anymore. Um, but she, um, uh,

[00:36:55] Jeff: God, I can imagine why.

[00:36:56] Christina: Well, yeah, I mean, I think originally it was COVID and then I think [00:37:00] now it’s probably a bunch of things, but um, yeah, but you know, I think that they also probably stalk on social media and are like, okay, who are the, the people who have like really good stories or whatnot.

[00:37:11] Christina: And so, yeah, somebody in her team picks them out and like puts them there. It’s like a chosen thing and like, you’re not like, this is not a, not one of those things where people can like, like in a baseball game, you know, where somebody, you know, an old guy like swoops in and, and steals like the, the ball from like the kid, you know, the foul ball.

[00:37:28] Christina: It’s not one of those situations.

[00:37:29] Jeff: Oh, yeah, there should be an old guy taking the hat. That’s mine, kid!

[00:37:32] Christina: I mean, they would. They would. It’s funny, um, Swifty Discourse, they’re so insane, and I’m one of them, but I don’t claim these people as my own, like, they will get into, like, arguments about, like, it’s not fair that, like, the kids get the hat, and I’m like,

[00:37:45] Jeff: yeah, yeah, yeah, I can totally see it. I can totally see it. I can totally see it. No hat for you. Uh, that’s awesome. Okay. Thanks for answering that. It’s been bugging me. And, and

[00:37:54] Brett: should we do a, should we do our sponsor break, uh, before we talk about [00:38:00] RepoMan, I guess?

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[00:40:07] Jeff: Okay, well I’ll stop being mad.

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[00:40:19] Jeff: Nice.

[00:40:20] Christina: Very cool. Mm

[00:40:21] Repo Man: A Surprising Discovery

[00:40:21] Brett: So Jeff, have you seen Repo Man?

[00:40:25] Jeff: Okay, look, here’s why I want to talk about, I don’t even want to talk about Ripple Man exactly, but I recently decided I was going to watch movies, not TV, because there are all these movies that I’m behind on and I find it very difficult, maybe it’s dopamine, uh, deficiency, to get excited about a movie when I could continue binging a TV show.

[00:40:45] Jeff: Nothing wrong with that, no judgment of myself or anybody else. In fact, I just started watching. The Old Man Season 2, which is so good. Anyway, so I’m like working my way through, let’s face it a little bit, the dude canon, like a little [00:41:00] bit. Um, uh, and, and I’m like, okay, fuck it. Repo Man. Um, and so I go to watch Repo Man and here’s the thing.

[00:41:07] Jeff: Have you both seen Repo Man?

[00:41:08] Brett: Oh yeah.

[00:41:09] Christina: Um, no.

[00:41:11] Brett: would know, you would remember.

[00:41:14] Jeff: Okay, so here’s,

[00:41:15] Christina: right?

[00:41:16] Brett: Was it?

[00:41:17] Jeff: no, I don’t think, yeah.

[00:41:19] Brett: let me, uh, let me,

[00:41:20] Jeff: Okay. While you look, I’m going to say the thing. Okay. Cause it’s, I’m going to like abstract this in a second. So I don’t mind ruining this cause it seems like, oh yeah, that’s right. It’s Alex Cox. That’s right. Like a different Alex Cox. Um, okay. So I thought, and I look, I was a punk rock kid.

[00:41:38] Jeff: I knew the soundtrack. I, I I’ve known the poster forever and all my life. All my life, I just assumed it was a movie about repo men. It was a movie where you follow men around like a 70s cop movie who fucking repossess cars. I had no idea and I’m not blowing anything because you learn it in like the first five [00:42:00] minutes when they’re like, A police officer pulls over a car, opens up the trunk, and then in like, Bugs Bunny electric shock fashion, uh, is shocked and you see his skeleton.

[00:42:12] Jeff: And then there’s a glowy, glowy thing in the trunk. And from there on out, it’s just fucking bananas. And, and it’s like an alien movie. And it’s a Repo Man movie. And I had no idea. And I thought, my God, how Is it possible that a movie this, this deep in like my culture, especially like, I mean, I’m 49, uh, I, I, like, I should have known this.

[00:42:35] Jeff: I don’t know anybody that’s like, it comes from my world, like an age that hasn’t seen Repo Man, right? And, and, and how did it, so kind of like when I read, I read Moby Dick a few years ago, Yes, I did. Uh, and, and I didn’t know how it ended. And I didn’t know what happened to the whale, uh, or what happened to Ahab.

[00:42:54] Jeff: I just didn’t know for sure. Right. And I had to constantly tell people, don’t spoil it. And they would just laugh at me. Like, [00:43:00] and, and I was like, I don’t fucking know. I don’t know. I have assumptions, but I don’t know. And so don’t spoil Moby Dick. Don’t spoil Repo Man. I don’t know how it is. I’m a curious person.

[00:43:09] Jeff: I have taken in so much media. Yeah. I watch a lot of YouTube, which gives you a lot of shortcuts to things that you ought to have known if you didn’t know them already. And here I was watching Reaperman going, Jesus Christ, I had no idea this was like an alien movie. I had no idea. Uh, and, and I don’t know, I wanted to bring it up because it’s something that I have been experiencing more and more, which is not something I ever thought would happen at my age as I approach.

[00:43:36] Jeff: 50. Um, and, and so anyway, so I’m having fun. I’m like going through these movies that like I’ve heard about for years. I just watched Double Indemnity, which is like a great

[00:43:45] Christina: that’s great. That

[00:43:46] Jeff: Oh my God. What a good movie. Um, uh, well, that one’s like fucking, uh, that one’s Billy Wilder.

[00:43:54] Christina: Yeah,

[00:43:56] Jeff: Like, I mean, Billy Wilder, the director, like I, here’s the thing, [00:44:00] Hitchcock, Fritz Lang, Billy Wilder.

[00:44:01] Jeff: There’s a handful of these directors that were doing the noir movies and I didn’t have them sorted. I did not have them sorted. And Fritz Lang who did Metropolis? Anyway, I’m

[00:44:08] Christina: you’re right. And I had it confused with something else, but I saw it in college when I did my noir thing. So I saw like that

[00:44:15] Jeff: Did you ever confused with every other movie that was like, well, hey, sir, well, ho, now,

[00:44:20] Christina: no, no, it was just of the noir things. But like, I just, I just had the, I had the directors confused because I saw like that and I saw another one with, um, um, What’s His Face, um, um, at the same time.

[00:44:32] Christina: But yeah. Um,

[00:44:34] Brett: uh, I saw a Philip Glass show in college, and

[00:44:38] Christina: oh yeah.

[00:44:40] Brett: I’m trying to piece this together in my, in my adult memory, but, um, I believe the orchestra that was playing at that show let us know that they were doing a showing of Metropolis the next night.

[00:44:56] Christina: Oh, cool.

[00:44:56] Brett: So we showed up and watched Metropolis with a [00:45:00] live orchestra.

[00:45:01] Christina: That’s so cool.

[00:45:03] Brett: It was pretty cool. Yeah. Did you see it at like the Orpheum or the Ordway or

[00:45:07] Jeff: Uh, it was one of those places, but this was actually last year.

[00:45:10] Brett: Oh, okay.

[00:45:11] Jeff: this is a different,

[00:45:12] Brett: This wasn’t in the late 90s?

[00:45:14] Jeff: yeah. But yeah, I mean, it’s not, it’s not much to say just that, I mean, I guess I didn’t expect this would be my conclusion even here, but like, In watching all these movies that I’ve been meaning to watch forever, I was like, Oh, shit, I can still like, I can still enjoy, like discovering, um, you know, and it’s not too late to discover these things that

[00:45:33] Christina: No.

[00:45:33] Jeff: I just kind of felt like, you know, I went too long.

[00:45:35] Jeff: Maybe I will watch Fast Times at Ridgemont High, you

[00:45:37] Christina: Okay, you

[00:45:38] Jeff: Um,

[00:45:39] Fast Times at Ridgemont High

[00:45:39] Christina: Have you, have you seriously never seen it?

[00:45:41] Jeff: I haven’t seen it. I mean, for God’s

[00:45:43] Brett: it is a touchpoint.

[00:45:44] Christina: No, no, no, no, no, no. Okay, because again, this is not my generation, right? Like, like RepoMan, it’s understandable that I haven’t seen. I saw Videodrome, and that’s what I kind of got it confused with, and they’re kind of similar aesthetically. But like, um, RepoMan, I, I’m not, I, I’ve never seen, but I, I, I know of.

[00:45:58] Christina: FastTimes. com. [00:46:00] Amy Heckerling, who directed Clueless, directed it, and it was Cameron Crowe’s first, like, screenplay, and it’s, it’s kind of a coming of age thing. It’s actually based on a book that he wrote, um, uh, that, that was like a real life experiment where, like, he was, like, in his 20s and he, like, went to a high school, like, undercover as, like, a high school student to, like, kind of write, like, what the high school experience was like, I guess circa, you know, the, the 80s or whatever.

[00:46:23] Christina: Um, It’s great. It’s like, genuinely, the music is fantastic, like, great soundtrack, um, which, you know, is, is, uh, is always awesome. Spicoli,

[00:46:32] Brett: as Repo, man.

[00:46:33] Jeff: And Spicoli! Spicoli, is that

[00:46:35] Christina: Spicoli is in there, yeah, um, Sean Penn, um, in, uh, one of his first roles, and, and, uh, um, um, uh, Phoebe Cates, um, and, uh, Jennifer Jason Lee, and, um, uh, Judd, uh, Judd, uh, Judd Reinhardt are, um, um, so it’s, um, it’s like kind of a It’s genuinely, I saw it actually like, uh, at a, I guess, like, gosh, I guess seven years ago now, they had some sort of anniversary screening [00:47:00] and I, I saw it in the theater, but I’d seen it many times before that.

[00:47:03] Christina: And like, it holds up really well there. I actually don’t think that they could make it today because one of the main characters, Stacey, Jennifer Jason Leigh, has sex with like an older guy and he’s much older and it’s kind of gross, but it is what it is. And there’s like a Jackson Brown song and the soundtrack and everything like, um, um, She, he kind of goes to her and she gets pregnant.

[00:47:25] Christina: Oh no, he doesn’t knock her up. This other guy that she, she, she sleeps with knocks her up and she is like 15 and she’s like, well, I’m going to get an abortion. So like he gives her like part of the money and like her brother like takes her and she gets an abortion and there’s no angst about it. There’s no like, oh, my life is over.

[00:47:43] Christina: There’s no like any judgment from anyone. It’s just a thing that happens. And then she and this kind of like versional, like nerdy kid, like kind of like go off and be like nerds together. And like, it’s very sweet, but there’s genuinely like, it’s just, it happens in such a matter of fact. And [00:48:00] like, In my opinion, like, really, like, uh, progressive way that when I saw, you know, 20 years later when I was watching high school movies like, like American Pie, like, you would never in a million years see them even attempt to have an abortion without the girl feeling shame, first of all, if they would do it at all.

[00:48:20] Christina: And even now, like, 40 years later, like, I don’t think that they would, I don’t think that they would have the, I don’t think they would have the guts to do that in a mainstream, like, You know, studio film, to have, like, one of the lead characters have an abortion without any, you know, shame or, or, or discourse or, or anything.

[00:48:38] Christina: Like, I, I just don’t think that would be part of the conversation, which is kind of amazing that in 1980, like, it did.

[00:48:45] Jeff: yeah, I wonder what the first few films to even have, like, overtly have abortion in them were. That has to be

[00:48:51] Christina: Well, I know the first TV show was Maude, but, um, uh, with, with, um, um, um, what’s her face? Bea Arthur. But, [00:49:00] um, yeah.

[00:49:01] Brett: course you know that, that is exactly information you would have, like, on the tip of your tongue. Um, there was a moment where you said, I don’t think they’d have, and you were gonna say balls, but you switched it to guts and you almost said butts, and I was gonna laugh so hard.

[00:49:18] Jeff: You don’t got the

[00:49:19] Christina: You don’t got the butts.

[00:49:20] Jeff: heh

[00:49:21] Brett: so just, if I

[00:49:23] Jeff: man, can that be the show title? You don’t got the butts?

[00:49:25] Brett: Yeah, I was gonna go with Moby Dick spoilers, but you don’t got the butts.

[00:49:31] Jeff: Dick’s

[00:49:31] Brett: How about you don’t have the butts? So I was just gonna say the Repo Man soundtrack for anybody listening who hasn’t seen it and didn’t grow up with the soundtrack includes Repo Man, which was written by Iggy Pop and performed by Iggy Pop and Steve Jones from the Sex Pistols, among others.

[00:49:53] Brett: Uh, Black Flag, Suicidal Tendencies, Circle Jerks, The Plugs have three songs on the [00:50:00] soundtrack. And Burning Sensations and Fear. Uh, like, it is, it’s a who’s who of 80s punk rock. Um, totally, if, even if you don’t go find the movie, which, I don’t, where did you see it, Jeff? Is it streaming anywhere? I

[00:50:17] Jeff: ship,

[00:50:18] Christina: I was gonna say,

[00:50:19] Brett: was gonna say, we used to have to, we

[00:50:20] Christina: on a megavideo.

[00:50:22] Brett: we used to have to buy the VHS tape and

[00:50:25] Jeff: rhymes with hound load pation,

[00:50:28] Christina: Hahaha.

[00:50:29] Brett: really? Okay. I should find that.

[00:50:32] Jeff: Yeah.

[00:50:33] Brett: I haven’t seen it in years, but anyway. Okay.

[00:50:36] Music for Cats

[00:50:36] Brett: So before we jump into a quick round of Grapptitude, I just want to say, so I, I, I’ve noticed that my dog doesn’t react when I play loud, heavy metal music. Um, like no signs of anxiety, just acts like nothing’s happening, which makes me wonder if maybe she is getting a little deaf.

[00:50:57] Brett: She’s like 13 years old and, [00:51:00] and maybe she just can’t hear like Sepultura in all its glory. Um, so I did some Googling about like, Is loud music bad for dogs? Why isn’t my dog responding to music? Etc. Etc. And in the process, I found this guy, uh, who goes by the name Music4Cats. as his artist name, and he’s on Spotify, he’s on Apple Music, and I paid for, uh, an album, Volume 2 of Music for Cats, and he’s this composer who writes songs and Tones that are pleasing to cats, including like bass purrs and treble muses and like, it’s not like actual cat sounds, but like it’s music that, and like, I found out about it because like Newsweek did an article on like how cats were responding to kind of scientifically [00:52:00] proven audio enrichment.

[00:52:03] Brett: And so I was like, yep, absolutely. My cats have to have that. So I’m saying this while I have at least one cat hair stuck in the back of my throat, which is why I keep muting so I can try to hack it

[00:52:15] Jeff: cat hair stuck in the back of my head.

[00:52:17] Brett: Oh, have you ever had that?

[00:52:18] Jeff: No! Never! I try not to inhale my cats,

[00:52:22] Brett: It’s all over, it’s all over my mic. My cat rubs up against my mic and then I like, I get all, I get all sexy voice with my mic.

[00:52:30] Brett: I get it right in here. And I swallow the hair. Yeah. Anyway, there is, there is a thing out there called music for cats. I will, I will link this, uh, the guy’s got like four albums, so,

[00:52:43] Christina: I bet, I bet that does well. Like that seems like the sort of Spotify, like sort of search term, like

[00:52:48] Brett: No, he has like a hundred and seventy thousand listens on his like most popular track.

[00:52:53] Christina: oh damn, okay, well I mean still, okay, but you know what? Still good for him.

[00:52:59] Brett: [00:53:00] Genital Shame is probably more popular than

[00:53:03] Christina: mean as they should, I mean as they should be, but like, you know,

[00:53:08] Brett: Jeff’s seen Genital Shame live. Jeff knows what I’m talking

[00:53:12] Jeff: Yeah.

[00:53:13] Brett: All right, you guys ready for some GrAPPtitude?

[00:53:16] Christina: let’s do it.

[00:53:18] GrAPPtitude: Favorite Apps and Tools

[00:53:18] Brett: I’m gonna, I’m gonna. Oh, so last week I picked VS Code because, um, long time listener, first time caller, like I finally got into it. And part of the reason that I’m so hooked, even though like there are some things about it, like sometimes it’s not super responsive.

[00:53:36] Brett: Sometimes my favorite shortcut keys don’t work and I spend a lot of time like reconfiguring things. Um, But the thing that really sold me was GitHub’s Copilot. Um, so I’m making, I mentioned it last week, but I’m making my official pick this week. Copilot is, it’s just insane to me how it figures out exactly what I [00:54:00] want to type next and like, just does it.

[00:54:04] Brett: And every once in a while I have to go in and like, uh, it wrote a line for me that was like, uh, um, what’s it called? Oh, I forgot the word for like, when you have a statement and then a question mark and like, uh, I’m forgetting the, I’m, I’m, I’m not speaking like a programmer, but it wrote out this statement for me.

[00:54:27] Brett: And the only thing I had to change was it negated the state. Statement with an exclamation point. And when I took that out, it was perfect. It was exactly what I would have written. And all I had to do was hit tab. Um, and it is, it is written entire methods for me working in, um, SAS when I’m writing style sheets, um, it figures out, it knows all of the color variables in my file.

[00:54:52] Brett: It knows exactly like it can track. I can be deeply nested in like a SAS. [00:55:00] Selector series, and it’ll figure out just exactly what I want and how to phrase it so that it fits in at that level of nesting and just nuts. I’m so blown away.

[00:55:12] Jeff: That’s awesome. That’s like week three of you freaking out about Copilot in one way or another.

[00:55:19] Christina: Which I love. Hell

[00:55:20] Jeff: Or three episodes streak. Is it three weeks too? Have we done three weeks in a row? Cause it was you and me, then it was you and me and Christina. And now look at that.

[00:55:28] Christina: Hey, look at us

[00:55:29] Jeff: Hey. Hey.

[00:55:30] Christina: Hell yeah!

[00:55:33] Brett: I hate to tell you guys, but we have a sponsor next week, so we have to do next week, too.

[00:55:37] Jeff: Well, I’m doing, uh, we can use my, my, the episode I’m doing

[00:55:41] Christina: Yeah, that’ll actually be better.

[00:55:42] Brett: an extra special. There’s a, there’s an after school special episode coming up.

[00:55:47] Christina: I was gonna say, there is an After School Special episode, but I think everybody’s gonna enjoy that also, even kind of relates a little bit to, to what Brad was just talking about.

[00:55:55] Jeff: That’s true. Merlin man.

[00:55:57] Brett: Oh, you’re gonna give it away.

[00:55:59] Jeff: Well, I don’t know. I [00:56:00] thought, I didn’t know if you were setting me up for it or what. I mean, we can edit it out.

[00:56:03] Brett: No. No, I didn’t know if you, it felt like you were being coy.

[00:56:07] Christina: That’s what I

[00:56:07] Jeff: I’m gonna talk to, I’m gonna talk to Merlin about, uh, chat, GPT and related, uh, items, um, because uh, it’s something that he goes into a lot on Mastodon a little bit on his other podcast. We talked about it when we had him on, and I have a, um, a, a deep calling to go into the weeds on, on this topic with Merlin.

[00:56:29] Jeff: And so we’re recording next week and we’ll, it’ll be the next episode, which is super exciting. And we can do the sp I can do the sponsor read no problem.

[00:56:36] Brett: I’ll get you, I think it’s one password. I’ll, uh, I’ll get you some copy.

[00:56:40] Christina: Amazing.

[00:56:41] Jeff: copy. I’ll get you some copy. You don’t got the butts.

[00:56:44] Christina: You don’t get the butts. You don’t get the butts to do this. 1Password has the butts, though, and Pika has the butts, but

[00:56:50] Jeff: They got the butts. I just set, well, I can save it for next week, but I just set my, my son’s off at college. I just set him up with, uh, One Password. It was his, it was his introduction to it. It was very exciting [00:57:00] to be able to, uh, show him the magic.

[00:57:03] Christina: Very good. Very good. Um, well on that note, Brett, speaking of Copilot, speaking of ChatGPT and whatnot, I, I actually, the ChatGPT Mac app is going to be my, my pick of the week, uh, my GrAPPtitude. Um, I am, I’ve been using this a little bit because one of the, they just, the, the new O1 preview model came out

[00:57:23] Jeff: so good.

[00:57:24] Christina: stuff and it is actually really interesting.

[00:57:26] Christina: I was able to rickroll it, which was pretty cool.

[00:57:28] Jeff: nice.

[00:57:29] Christina: I, I created a, uh, I said this to you guys, but I created a Cypher using regular chat GPT. And then I, I asked the, the O1 model to, uh, to, you know, um, uh, figure out the Cypher for me. And, uh, and, and it was able to, and then it also even figured out what the, what the lyrics were from.

[00:57:47] Christina: So I was, I was proud of that. But the, the app, which, which is not it. So you have to have Apple Silicon. That’s the only thing right now. Um, and I don’t know if it’s been rolled out to everyone. I think most users have access to it now, but it’s pretty cool because, um, [00:58:00] it’s more than just like the website.

[00:58:01] Christina: Like they’ve actually worked pretty hard from what I understand and making it like a native app. Like there’s kind of like a, um, you know, kind of like an Alfred style, uh, you know, um, um, Quicksilver style kind of shortcut command thing if you want to talk to it anywhere. Um, you can attach files or give it access to like your, your camera and ask questions about things that you upload or images that you do.

[00:58:22] Christina: Um, you can take screenshots with it and then talk about like things that are inside those screenshots and ask questions about it. Um, and then like search for conversations. It’s pretty cool. It’s, I have to say you can even,

[00:58:34] Jeff: It’s great.

[00:58:35] Christina: yeah, you can talk to it with, with, with your natural language too. So yeah, I’m, I’m a big fan.

[00:58:40] Jeff: It’s great. And like I, so I use Mac GPT at your recommendation, Christina, a long time ago, and I don’t like using it for the chat GPT website. You can switch back and forth between interacting with the API and then interacting with the website. And so this is nice because I can do the website there and I can then [00:59:00] do the API and that’s how I’ve traditionally managed the limits of chat GPT, like proper. It is to just be like, I’ll have them both open. If I’m working on something and be like, okay, I don’t need to waste, uh, my, my questions on the mountaintop, uh, for this one. So I’m going to do it in MacGPT with the API. So it’s, yeah, it’s a great, I love the app so far.

[00:59:21] Christina: Yeah, it’s really cool. Sorry, go

[00:59:24] Brett: they show, they show uploading like a bunch of class syllabi PDFs and asking it for like all of your, uh, due dates across all your classes. That’s, that’s pretty cool.

[00:59:36] Christina: It is. It is. I mean, that’s the sort of thing, right? It’s like, you could have just done this, like, in a pretty, you know, lazy way where, um,

[00:59:44] Brett: Where it’s just a website

[00:59:45] Christina: Right, right. You know, and, and, Bing. Um, but, they didn’t, right? Like, they actually, like, you can upload things, you can talk to it, it’s got, you know, like, search history and other stuff, and, like, that’s pretty cool, and, like, that’s stuff that, because Mac [01:00:00] GPT, I think, is really cool, and it is a cool way to kind of use the API, and it can be cheaper and do some other stuff, but, like, this is actually, does some things where, you know, you can kind of, um, interact with things in a, in a smarter way, um, and I, I think it’s pretty cool.

[01:00:14] Jeff: yeah, it’s great. Okay, mine is an app, it’s like a Mac, it’s like a desktop, phone, watch app called CheatSheet. Um, and so I’ve used drafts forever, I use drafts and I often use drafts for like quick reference stuff, like as an example. I can never remember, like, the grocery co op we’re at. We have like a member number.

[01:00:39] Jeff: I can never remember it in the right order. And so I always have to look it up in drafts, but I always wanted something where I could just pull up a list. And it was just like a list of the numbers that I always fucking can’t remember or need and cheat sheets. Really amazing app where like, you can just enter in all these little pieces of information.

[01:00:56] Jeff: I’ll tell you how to use in a second. And then you can actually make it like a [01:01:00] widget on your phone that just lists those four things that you always forget. Right. Or you can be on your watch or whatever. Um,

[01:01:06] Christina: This is nice.

[01:01:07] Jeff: yeah. And then also it’s like a little menu bar dropdown as well. Um, which is great. And so like I have some of the things I have in it now, I have the license plate numbers of our two cars.

[01:01:16] Jeff: Cause how many times you’ve been checking into like a hotel or something, let’s say motel in this case.

[01:01:20] Brett: And then you got

[01:01:21] Jeff: what’s your license plate? And you’re like, Oh, Jesus Christ. Like, are you going to like, look for the photo you took the last time you were in a hotel? Um, I have my, my, uh, Seward Co op, I’ll name check it, uh, ID over here.

[01:01:32] Jeff: I’ve got my public library pickup ID in it, which is, Just amazing. Um, and then like my son’s high school student ID, cause that comes up all the time. What’s his ID anyway. So it’s like an awesome place to just have like a very simple list of the numbers. You always want to remember, I don’t have to organize them.

[01:01:48] Jeff: I’m not tagging them. I just know when I look at this list of like 15 or 20 things, I know what I’m looking for and it’s always going to be there. And so I have an,

[01:01:56] Brett: passcode in there?

[01:01:58] Jeff: yeah, my iPhone passcode in there. It’s [01:02:00] great.

[01:02:00] Christina: I love it.

[01:02:01] Brett: And it shows up on my lock

[01:02:02] Jeff: I got my, I got my birthday in there.

[01:02:05] Christina: so security number, everything. No, no, this looks cool. I, I, I use a similar app called tt, um, from Icon Factory that I like a lot. That’s a menu bar, kind of, just kind of a, a junk drawer, kind of like, you know, like notes thing. But what I like about this, I think I’m gonna buy this, is that like, you can make it a widget.

[01:02:22] Christina: on your

[01:02:23] Jeff: Oh yeah. The widget thing. And you can actually, if you have sort of folders, you can have a widget that’s just stuff from that folder. So you could have a few widgets. So I have like a family folder and I have like a whatever.

[01:02:33] Christina: Because like, because the thing is, is that I have a number of different tools that I could use for things like this. Like 1Password has a lot of that sort of thing stored for me because I use that as kind of, you know, management for whatnot and like, you know, some like my passport and, and all that is, is there.

[01:02:47] Christina: But like, there are some things that I’m like, okay, I don’t use this frequently enough or need this permanently enough. And Taut is great, like I said, just kind of as a, a, a dump, you know, like, like paste, like, you know, [01:03:00] pasteboard sort of thing. But, this having the, the ability to have like, I’m just looking at the website right now, like being able to have like, just the widget, frankly, and even like the watch stuff, like this is like really useful.

[01:03:12] Christina: Yes.

[01:03:13] Jeff: It’s great. It’s great. And I keep putting in, I have like, you know, the journalism thing of putting TK when you don’t have the information. So I have a bunch of things that are like TKs because they’re things that I want to go put in there. So my license plates were TKs until I remembered to actually look at my license plate.

[01:03:28] Jeff: Um, so I’m just like, I’m obsessed with it. It’s like I have always specifically pined for something like this. So

[01:03:36] Brett: In the screenshots, they have a note that says TK421. What do you think that is?

[01:03:43] Jeff: yeah, I don’t know. I don’t think it’s the TK. They’ve also got a cheat code thing in there for a video game

[01:03:49] Christina: Yeah, yeah, the Konami code, up, up, down, down, left, right,

[01:03:51] Jeff: pretty genius. Yeah, yeah, pretty great. Yeah. Anyway, so I love it. I recommend it.

[01:03:58] Brett: Awesome. All right, [01:04:00] you guys, we did it. We got out of

[01:04:01] Jeff: don’t got the

[01:04:02] Brett: an hour.

[01:04:03] Jeff: God, I can’t stop saying it.

[01:04:05] Brett: Yeah, I’ll make it the show title, but it won’t make any sense.

[01:04:10] Jeff: You don’t got the butts.

[01:04:11] Brett: will have to listen to the episode.

[01:04:13] Jeff: I’m watching so many noir movies that it’s

[01:04:15] Christina: No, it does, honestly, it does seem like a very, very, very big nut, nut sort of thing.

[01:04:21] Jeff: Uh, all right. Sure. As you could get a dollar for 10 dimes, anyway,

[01:04:28] Brett: Do, do, say get some sleep in that voice.

[01:04:31] Jeff: get some sleep. You don’t got that butts. Sorry.

[01:04:35] Christina: Get some sleep.

[01:04:38] Jeff: Get some sleep, Johnny.